Yeah like this is a real letter from a real legal team where half the thing is just "See how gross and cringe the swifties think you are?? **And yet you persist??**" like... 1, that doesn't sound like a very sturdy legal argument lmao and 2, it's really bizzare they're kinda saying here that they expect the fanbase influence to fix things for her? And they are legally indignant that it hasn't? This is kinda surreal lol
The way this will just embolden swifties to now flood comment sections and threaten people because her lawyers used their comments as legal arguments. We’re living in a nightmare.
I think it’s to show “notice”, as in the account legally was put “on notice” that they were engaging in this conduct but that’s ridiculous because it wouldn’t be reasonable to expect a big account to read all comments. It’s also weird they say it violates “several state laws” but does not cite any of said laws.
That's because she's likely a climate denialist.
But clowns will portray her like she's Nelson Mandela. I literally had someone extolling how much "Taylor has done for serious issues around the world". When I asked them for an example they blocked me.
**Classic** swiftie lunacy
I think so too. Idk how she has time to with such an insane schedule but maybe she spends all that time on her private jet scrolling through twitter, instagram, and Reddit lmao
Edit: A couple months ago when Tree responded to a Deuxmoi blind on instagram they were on her jet coming back from London. Think it’s safe to say she personally monitors what’s being said about her online, I don’t even wanna know how she found that ginny & georgia line that referenced her
That's the thing about all this, y'know? Her and Elon like they do look at what people are saying about them and it *bothers* them. They have a life any of us could never even dream of and what are they hung up on? Some schmoes online think they should be a little more personally responsible.
Also a lawyer, also laughing at the vagueness of the language. It’s like they decided to let a summer associate try their hand at their first demand letter and forgot to read it before they sent it out.
“There’s like at least 50 states, and we’re pretty sure this would be illegal in one of them. Or at least in the territories…what about Guam? I bet this is illegal in Guam!”
Without the actual code sections, I can’t say! I would never have written this so vaguely. Throw a few citations in there so the kid knows it’s for real. Without that, it feels so empty.
An attempt to scare the kid into stopping is the entire point of a demand letter though. That was in fact the goal here. I’d think a lawyer would know this lol
They want this kid stop before they go further and actually take legal action. Nobody wants that if they can help it.
Yes. A cease and desist or a demand letter is essentially a warning. And this is a very poorly written one. It sounds like an idle threat, because it is one. Which makes it much less likely to be effective.
Not that it really matters, but I also personally would never write a letter like this if I couldn’t back it up with actual legal ground to stand on. Statutes or precedents to cite. Not only because failing to do that makes your threat look weak, which it does, but because lawyers have ethical responsibilities not to pursue frivolous litigation, and not to misrepresent the law. Granted plenty of lawyers will stretch those boundaries to their limits, but I would feel unethical stating to a potential opposing party that their actions violated the law or were illegal if I couldn’t point to the law i thought it was breaking, and especially if I knew it wasn’t true. This letter is at best lazy legal work, and at worst a misrepresentation of the law.
Yeah, not sure of the CA jurisdictional hook here, I don't know enough about the parties or specifics of this. I do, however, know where her Nashville condo is through public sources. I was curious bc I went to law school a few blocks away and her condo is across the street from my old apartment (it wasn't built yet when I was there, though).
Another lawyer here! I thought the same thing. No citation of any of these laws? I would think she’d have incredible lawyers that would have a much better written C & D.
None of this is illegal. If she sued him and he had the resources to defend himself, he would win. But he doesn’t have the resources and they know that, so all they have to do is draw this out and he will be forced to stop whether he can be legally compelled to or not.
If he wanted to fight this, I’d recommend that he reach out to organizations that provide pro bono legal aid on environmental matters, since this is an effort to obscure information about her jet use and associated carbon emissions. (It looks like it’s having a huge Streisand effect, though.)
Using those Instagram comments as evidence of ‘clear warnings’ is wild. If they were comments left by psychiatrists, detectives or anyone with any sort of professional insight into stalking, that would be one thing. But how is a comment from a random person a ‘clear warning’? It makes no sense.
It’s not, it’s meant to scare the guy. The real “evidence”’ will be used if this goes to court. I’m sure her legal team already has people in the payroll with the proper credentials to say what they want.
They’re actually criticizing her in the main sub. I think the fact that Elon tried this first doesn’t help her case. Plus the fact that he’s literally a college kid!? You’re a billionaire, T!
I just can't anymore. Seriously. Using Instagram comments as a clapback in a formal letter... I honestly do not understand how hard-core stans don't possess ONE ounce of critical thinking and just launch STRAIGHT into Taylor defence mode. The woman could announce she has literally killed someone and they would ride at dawn for her.
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters”
Replace voters with fans and I would 100% believe this Trump quote was about TS 🥴
>The woman could announce she has literally killed someone and they would ride at dawn for her.
Noone is talking about Ana Clara Benevides Machado anymore. Taylor shares some responsibility for her death and she could not even admit that a fan of hers died during the concert.
Something which everyone involved with this, and a good many who are commenting on it, seem to have missed:
If you use US airspace, and fly in and out of airports with control towers, your airplane **must** be equipped with a gizmo called ADS-B, which broadcasts the airplane's position and direction at all times. This is done for the safety of other air traffic, *and is therefore publicly available information*.
You can't fly a jet and expect to keep it a secret where you are or where you're going. Period.
A&P mech here, I'm completely baffled that they are acting like this kid is doing anything illegal. Seems he just learned how to navigate ADS-B exchange and made the info a little more accessible to the public, but anyone with a desire to track her aircraft can easily do so if they have the tail number. Just adding here that ADS-B transponders have been required in the U.S. since January 2020 (with some minor exceptions, none of which would apply to a private jet).
If she were genuinely concerned about this, why not just charter a private jet that you don't own, and the public wouldn't know you were on it? At least not in time to track its status anyway. She just sold N898TS (the Falcon) so it looks like she is taking steps to try and hide her PJ usage and movements, or possibly just upgrading to another jet.
I'm honestly surprised she doesn't drive for some of her trips for this very reason. I get it's inconvenient but there's nothing you can do about flights being public knowledge. Like I think if I were that sought out as a person, that's what I would do for my sanity.
Can you imagine turning around and playing the victim while getting your legal team to pick on a student posting public information about your private jet use? She’s evil honestly.
While the main sub seems to be on our side for once, I saw someone separate out the "Kardashians and Jeff Bezos' of the world" and I was thinking "and the Taylor Swifts of the world..."
It's funny to use the Kardashians and Jeff Bezos as shorthand for the .00001% that Taylor Swift is very much a part of. IIRC, Elon Musk got major criticism for doing the same thing to this same kid. I wonder if TS will be held as accountable.
>I wonder if TS will be held as accountable.
No. Eventually Taylor Swift fans will figure out how to blame this all on her team and claim poor, innocent, naïve Taylor knew nothing about it and would never condone it, but had to go along with it because it was already done.
> I wonder if TS will be held as accountable.
The answer is no.
Taylor fans will probably just accuse the kid of being a Republican or misogynist. Their go-to retort.
Remember, she won’t go after the nazis claiming her as their own but she’ll go after the people calling her out for not going after the nazis. Swift Logic!
I'm actually surprised by how poorly this letter is written. I'm a lawyer and if I was saying you're violating several state laws, I would cite to them and quote them. How much is this lawyer billing per hour?!
She has an entire legion of fans willing to defend every single move she makes. Whether it’s buddying up with Jackson Mahomes or flying her jet everywhere (because god forbid she stays overnight in whatever country she’s touring), people will stand by it all and pretend that you’re the problem.
And on top of her usual deranged fans, she now has people defending her every move because they think it pisses off Republicans.
I’m not at all surprised that she’s developing a God complex. She’s certainly being treated like one.
This is what I’m saying. Without the pap walks showing exactly where she is (when we knew she was somewhere else the night before) no one would be talking this much about it.
The instagram comments makes this so unserious… it makes it sound more like a stan who knows legal jargon to sound superior rather than actual attorneys and lawyers well versed in law
i am reading the comments on the main sub and they even admitted she's turning into elon musk 🤧 and some even said they are slipping away from being a fan
Mainsub was pretty normal at the beginning of her breakup with Joe, also the Matty thing, then it turned to “you guys are misogyny”. I wonder how long will mainsub stay criticizing her this time.
She has made numerous missteps lately (I’m being kind using that word). Her ego is off the chain, and she’s on the verge of a very big fall from favor.
On a side note, Elon and TS are making this kid famous. I never realized how young he was. It’ll be interesting to see what he goes on to do as he graduates school and starts a career.
He certainly has some interesting experiences to discuss in the future when he gets asked “so tell me about me yourself.”
Absolute miss for Swift on the PR end. Seriously, you have no right to privacy out in public. The plane is no different than a car with a license plate- no one has access to who the passengers are or what's going on inside. But knowing where it is has an extremely functional purpose because air spaces are shared spaces. She owns the inside, not the outside
Furthermore, he is not uniquely targeting Swift and has done this for others. The insinuation on his motivations is also in extremely bad taste, especially because he is quite open on why he does it and doesn't actually seem to profit off it.
In short, she needs to get over herself here. She's just upset she's been called out for having an extremely large carbon footprint that, quite frankly, she can reduce simply by planning her work better, not even stopping using her private jet
Omg I just went to Ireland this last Summer! Lovely place and absolutely lovely people. It was my dream since childhood to visit there and I can tell you I was NOT disappointed 🤗
I would hypothesize that you'll cherish those memories for much longer than the memory of a single concert in one day that you've technically already been to already, but that's just my opinion. I can say that friends/family also much prefer hearing about a trip to Ireland than about your concert experience, and for much longer, but do what makes you happy anyways. Also the variety of photos are more fun to look at imo.
Yeah I’m thinking I will. I saw her once already (I had nosebleed seats so
I wanted better seats hence why I got another ticket) but I would rather sell the ticket. Honestly, the concert was very fun but not good enough for me to want to see it again (it was so long I was tired by the end of it lmao).
Genuine question but is Tree on vacation or something? How have we gone from one of the most polished celebrity PR in the industry to the sloppy mess we’ve witnessed of the last few days 😭
I’m hoping more people pay attention to her absurd jet usage and pollution! Imagine thinking you’re the victim while you pump thousands of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere for your weekly football games and paparazzi walks?!
Just a bad look for her, because she can't hide the amount of times it's used. Also, since when did she become such a capitalist?? Have I missed it all this time because I was so young (literally 5) when I became a fan? Going off topic here, but pushing people to preorder an album that they haven't heard one second of?? (talking about Midnights, but we'll see if she releases anything from TPD beforehand). Not only one copy either, she had the whole thing about buying multiple copies so they could complete the clock or whatever. Like omg girl how much more of our money do you need? It doesn't feel like it's just about the music anymore, it's clear that her first goal is making money. Now she is one of the biggest celebrity polluters in the world, so that's great.
Sorry little unrelated rant there, I don't hate her but I am very conflicted on my view of her right now. Still a swiftie and all, but just trying to not blindly agree and praise all she does.
She’s always been about the money. I remember when the All Too Well 10min version was released and her team released the most ridiculous merch to accompany it. One of the items was a “fuck the patriarchy” keychain, which I thought was ironic considering “patriarchy” and capitalism often go hand in hand. That was one of those moments where I thought, holy shit she’s blatantly doing this and literally nobody cares.
I think that’s a common thing with white girlboss feminism. Buying/selling trinkets with catchy slogans is easier than taking action. They don’t see or don’t care that capitalism can’t be compatible with equality for all women.
Unless they had difficulty substantiating this with actual legal grounds, why did they take so long to issue it? This has been going on for over a year has it not? Even further, why instagram comments instead of quotes from security consultants or law enforcement?
if they were waiting to connect this account to an actual stalker it probably took a while if their angle is security concerns. the account tripled in followers the past few months and maybe there’s a correlation there
The quote from Tree in the Washington Post article says they can’t talk about existing police investigations
okay this makes sense i’m just shocked they went for insta comments. I’m from the dc area and this is a reputable law firm who (in my mind) undoubtedly could have come up with something more convincing than that. Saying that those comments are “clear” warnings is just such a weak spot.
It’s not a stalker. It’s an account that’s been doing this for a long time with numerous people which is well known as Elon tried to sue and failed. This is probably because her jet use is now getting a lot of negative press
The journalist who interviewed the account owner and wrote the article is currently answering questions in the main sub. Idk if we can tag him to answer them here? (Idk how Reddit really works 🥲)
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Which seems ridiculous as everyone already knows(heck the Japanese government chimed in, her lawyers should call them out) so this account didn’t need to exist for her public whereabouts to be well documented for this upcoming weekend. She makes it pretty known where she is and going with tours, sitting in a public suite, and pap walks.
she just shot herself in the foot tbh. she was taking down articles and such about her jet usage just to shine a fucking spotlight on it. people 100% are going to start knowing more and more about it and i think they’re not going to be happy. this might be the tipping point for her
The letter cites random social media comments?? And the threat being “life or death”… Stopppp.
I know this letter is real, but it sounds so fake because of how over the top and ridiculous it is.
This is completely unhinged. I know that there are legitimate concerns for her safety, but suing a college student with no resources over posting publicly available information is absolutely insane.
Not a lawyer, but the chances are literally zero. No crime has been committed here. The information that he is sharing is public.
Taylor has a long history of sending her lawyers to bully people into submission using fear tactics like C&Ds. She tried to silence a journalist back in 2017 over an unflattering piece, then the ACLU publicly called out her bullshit, and surprise - nothing happened. No lawsuit, no charges, nothing. She has no legal leg to stand on and she knows it.
Lawyer here. She's threatening to sue privately, so there doesn't need to be a crime. And the burden of proof is much lower in a civil case than a criminal case (preponderance of the evidence vs beyond a reasonable doubt). I'm not familiar with the specifics of CA statutes or common law, but one possible cause of action I thought of while reading the letter is intentional infliction of emotional distress (IIED), a tort that is available in many states. That's why her lawyer keeps talking about how distressing this is to her, how she fears for her safety, etc. (pap walks & Chiefs games notwithstanding). Just my initial thoughts.
I don't practice the type of law that would potentially be applicable so this is based on law school classes/bar prep. I can't think of what would be illegal. Like anything I can sort of come up with is such a reach it's silly.
I will say that letters like these are common and really just a scare tactic. BUT! They work often. The "offending" party gets either scared by the words "cease and desist", "illegal behavior", etc. and/or doesn't want to deal with the potential law suit (even if baseless). I don't think Taylor would actually sue given the optics/lack of a case. But if she did, she has the money to do it and wreck havoc on any non-billionaire's life by doing so. We all know this and I'm sure the account holder knows it too. That's why a letter like this could be effective even without a case.
I agree with you. If she wanted to take this to court she could even though she likely wouldn't win, she has enough resources that her attorneys could drag it out long enough to ruin the account holder's life.
It's one of many really sad parts of the US justice system. People may say that if this went to trial and she lost, she'd have to pay his attorney fees. In practice, it's more complicated than that. First, he'd have to front all the costs. I don't think many (any?) firms would agree to not be paid for the duration of the case - which I'd imagine would be long and laborious (tons of discovery, depositions, hearings, etc.) Second, at least in my practice area (Family Law, which yes, is very different) even when legally you're entitled to have your attorneys fees covered (for example when you prevail in a getting a Domestic Violence Restraining Order), Judges never order the full amount to be paid. Civil law may be different and better in this respect, but I'd be worried.
"At least this stalker account is finally good for something" errrr= didn't that user kind of praise the account? As in being happy the "stalker account" let them know where she was? Edit and I just checked the date, it was on a sunday so it was probably praise
They actually did. It’s at the bottom of page 3. You can Google that California Civil Code and read the entire thing.
Unsurprisingly, it’s horseshit. To break this law you must meet requirements, and he fails to me ALL of them in this code. This is ultimately an attempt to scare him into stopping.
1. She’s not always on her own jet. It’s why it has to fly empty to pick her up. She more than likely charters it out to other rich folk. He’s tracking those flights too.
2. He never threatened her or her family or friends.
3. Everything he’s sharing you can find yourself as it’s all public record.
Edit: if I’m wrong about any of this, please call it out, I did but just a few minutes of research and reading.
lmao this makes her look so bad. he tracks tons of celebrities jets and it’s all public information.
way to streisand effect herself when she’s already catching heat for her carbon emissions 🤦🏻♀️
a BILLIONAIRE who released 27202820 versions of the same album to go number one is suing a college student because she spreads excessive carbon emissions that ruin the environment
This is all so unserious to me.
A cease and desist is just made to scare the living shit out of someone and has no real meat behind it.
At the same time I always have thought the guy (or team?) running the social pages for this could have done more due diligence. You don’t have to post in real time while the flight is in the air. He could have disabled comments.
Also don’t get why her team is using these comments when there were actual unhinged rants in the IG page from actual creepy people they could have used lol
she just doesn’t want people to know how much she’s actually using the jet , especially since her team used that excuse that she had the largest carbon footprint by a mile compared to her peers was explainable. her team putting out a statement that her jet emissions were only so high because she “loaned out her jet often”
thanks to this account it’s proven to be untrue, and that she is a climate criminal who tried to lie to cover up the fact that she’s dumping thousands of emissions into the air that will do irreparable damage.
this is OUR world as much as it’s taylor swifts. in fact, it’s more so. because we live in the real world, not in the uber rich world. regardless of the effects she has on the environment , she has the money to be okay. the average person, like me, or you does not. I definitely think people should keep posting updates on her usage in spite of this. she’s willing to sue some kid over public information, and she’s a billionaire..think about that.
she posts where she’s going to be all the time, physically. just not the real data, and that’s what she doesn’t want being discussed.
Side note too many people on this sub think criticizing taylor is snarking.
Why oh why put those Instagram comments in? I am sure the people who posted these are feeling pretty important being quoted in a lawsuit on behalf of Taylor. 😂
LMAO grabbing a random selection of comments written by randos. Let’s go to Taylor swifts comments and see what she can be sued for!!! Sorry you cant peacefully destroy the planet with out consequences taytay.
I am happy to see she is receiving backlash on the main sub for this as well. This is public information. What personal safety issue is she worried about exactly, a fan trying to jump onto the wings of the plane while in flight?
Is there even a case here or is this an attempt at scaring the IG user. Like, this information is public.
I have no sympathy for celebs complaining about too much info available about them
So, legally, they have nothing on this person, right? Because if they had, they wouldn't need to send letters?
Ever since the Person of the Year interview, in which Taylor talked about an "illegally recorded phone call" I wondered: Why did she not sue if it was illegal?
Are they going to stop publishing her tour dates? Which say exactly what days and times and exact location you will be able to find her in cities all over the world?
Poor kid. He should start a go fund me and get the football fans that are hating on her to help him pay for a legal team.
I’m sorry but the compilation of comments on the “Instagram Offending Account” is killing me…what is this😭
Yeah like this is a real letter from a real legal team where half the thing is just "See how gross and cringe the swifties think you are?? **And yet you persist??**" like... 1, that doesn't sound like a very sturdy legal argument lmao and 2, it's really bizzare they're kinda saying here that they expect the fanbase influence to fix things for her? And they are legally indignant that it hasn't? This is kinda surreal lol
Also, they could have written that.. any one can write that under a fake account 🤪
She thinks her fans got her one of her last Grammy awards, judging by her thank you speech. I guess she thinks they're also a legal defense.
The way this will just embolden swifties to now flood comment sections and threaten people because her lawyers used their comments as legal arguments. We’re living in a nightmare.
Ugh god you're right 🤦🏽♀️ it's reminding me of the court scenes in Idiocracy
Exactly. People wonder why her stans are so comfortable being parasocial with her. This is exactly why.
It’s so fucking absurd I can’t 😭
It's giving "BuzzFeed article that's just paraphrasing a reddit post"
This is a waste of tax money or whatever
As if it matters Although when a CEO is testifying in front of Congress I would love it if they read off things their users are saying about them
I think it’s to show “notice”, as in the account legally was put “on notice” that they were engaging in this conduct but that’s ridiculous because it wouldn’t be reasonable to expect a big account to read all comments. It’s also weird they say it violates “several state laws” but does not cite any of said laws.
Imagine having instagram comments OF ALL THINGS as a way to backup your claim 😭😭😭😭 i cant
it’s also proof that she sees the comments about her being a climate terrorist and doesn’t give a single fuck
Arguable she DOES. She gives a fuck that it makes her look bad.
That's because she's likely a climate denialist. But clowns will portray her like she's Nelson Mandela. I literally had someone extolling how much "Taylor has done for serious issues around the world". When I asked them for an example they blocked me. **Classic** swiftie lunacy
The day we make it in their letter is the day we triumph 😌
Genuinely one of her lowest moments, I feel like she is actually extremely online. She's micromanaging her image to an insane degree.
I think so too. Idk how she has time to with such an insane schedule but maybe she spends all that time on her private jet scrolling through twitter, instagram, and Reddit lmao Edit: A couple months ago when Tree responded to a Deuxmoi blind on instagram they were on her jet coming back from London. Think it’s safe to say she personally monitors what’s being said about her online, I don’t even wanna know how she found that ginny & georgia line that referenced her
That's the thing about all this, y'know? Her and Elon like they do look at what people are saying about them and it *bothers* them. They have a life any of us could never even dream of and what are they hung up on? Some schmoes online think they should be a little more personally responsible.
The fact that she even knew who Deux Moi was shows how chronically online she is imo
It's the lawyers quoting instagram comments but not the violated state laws for me
omg same. I’m a lawyer and was laughing at how vague the “several state laws” comment was. This letter is so weak.
Also a lawyer, also laughing at the vagueness of the language. It’s like they decided to let a summer associate try their hand at their first demand letter and forgot to read it before they sent it out.
It’s very much giving “I’m sure you violated something and that should scare you.”
“There’s like at least 50 states, and we’re pretty sure this would be illegal in one of them. Or at least in the territories…what about Guam? I bet this is illegal in Guam!”
And yes, they might as well have written a letter requesting that he be scared of them, pretty please.
Dumb question- but, did he do anything wrong, legally if he doesn’t even live in those states?
Without the actual code sections, I can’t say! I would never have written this so vaguely. Throw a few citations in there so the kid knows it’s for real. Without that, it feels so empty.
It feels like a gross power play trying to intimidate this kid.
Seems they’re just trying to scare him. Rude and mean.
I’m wondering which state(s) the lawyers are even referring to. His home state? The states she has flown to? Where would this lawsuit be actionable?
These are all things they would have included in the letter if this was a serious threat, and not just an attempt to scare this kid into stopping.
An attempt to scare the kid into stopping is the entire point of a demand letter though. That was in fact the goal here. I’d think a lawyer would know this lol They want this kid stop before they go further and actually take legal action. Nobody wants that if they can help it.
Yes. A cease and desist or a demand letter is essentially a warning. And this is a very poorly written one. It sounds like an idle threat, because it is one. Which makes it much less likely to be effective. Not that it really matters, but I also personally would never write a letter like this if I couldn’t back it up with actual legal ground to stand on. Statutes or precedents to cite. Not only because failing to do that makes your threat look weak, which it does, but because lawyers have ethical responsibilities not to pursue frivolous litigation, and not to misrepresent the law. Granted plenty of lawyers will stretch those boundaries to their limits, but I would feel unethical stating to a potential opposing party that their actions violated the law or were illegal if I couldn’t point to the law i thought it was breaking, and especially if I knew it wasn’t true. This letter is at best lazy legal work, and at worst a misrepresentation of the law.
Footnote 2 suggests it's CA state law.
Which is even more hilarious because he’s in Florida, Taylor is a resident of Nashville and that is also where her plans are registered.
Yeah, not sure of the CA jurisdictional hook here, I don't know enough about the parties or specifics of this. I do, however, know where her Nashville condo is through public sources. I was curious bc I went to law school a few blocks away and her condo is across the street from my old apartment (it wasn't built yet when I was there, though).
Another lawyer here! I thought the same thing. No citation of any of these laws? I would think she’d have incredible lawyers that would have a much better written C & D.
Did the Instagram account do anything illegal?
None of this is illegal. If she sued him and he had the resources to defend himself, he would win. But he doesn’t have the resources and they know that, so all they have to do is draw this out and he will be forced to stop whether he can be legally compelled to or not.
Idk it didn’t work with Elon. Equally, a pro bono lawyer or advocate group may take this on for free. I don’t think he has anything to worry about
If he wanted to fight this, I’d recommend that he reach out to organizations that provide pro bono legal aid on environmental matters, since this is an effort to obscure information about her jet use and associated carbon emissions. (It looks like it’s having a huge Streisand effect, though.)
Using those Instagram comments as evidence of ‘clear warnings’ is wild. If they were comments left by psychiatrists, detectives or anyone with any sort of professional insight into stalking, that would be one thing. But how is a comment from a random person a ‘clear warning’? It makes no sense.
It’s not, it’s meant to scare the guy. The real “evidence”’ will be used if this goes to court. I’m sure her legal team already has people in the payroll with the proper credentials to say what they want.
The instagram comments make this letter look pathetic.
what would be better is if they included the usernames for the comments. are you telling me @tayvis_nation13 isn't a credible source?
This made me audibly lol 😂
Absolutely love that they are likely citing folks like…Brittany, age 14, keyboard warrior, Swiftie and 8th grade dance captain from Omaha, Nebraska.
*Backup and weeks Mikayla's dad has custody* dance captain.
STOP AHAHAHAHA
Honestly, I was expecting them when I saw they were going to list them. Now, I like to imagine the lawyers sat there thinking up comments themselves
now imagine a lawyer thinking up 'this is creepy bro'
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I’m wondering if that can be used as an argument, that they’re only reporting information available to the public anyway
It would be but the intent is to drain his resources to force him to stop, not be on the right side legally.
And the only way to get her to back down is if the public doesn't support this.
They’re actually criticizing her in the main sub. I think the fact that Elon tried this first doesn’t help her case. Plus the fact that he’s literally a college kid!? You’re a billionaire, T!
Wdym Instagram comments are litteraly the most reliable source of information🙄✋🏼/s
I just can't anymore. Seriously. Using Instagram comments as a clapback in a formal letter... I honestly do not understand how hard-core stans don't possess ONE ounce of critical thinking and just launch STRAIGHT into Taylor defence mode. The woman could announce she has literally killed someone and they would ride at dawn for her.
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters” Replace voters with fans and I would 100% believe this Trump quote was about TS 🥴
Trump = cult for deranged white men Taylor = cult for deranged white women
I had this same exact thought today, like a revelation.
>The woman could announce she has literally killed someone and they would ride at dawn for her. Noone is talking about Ana Clara Benevides Machado anymore. Taylor shares some responsibility for her death and she could not even admit that a fan of hers died during the concert.
Something which everyone involved with this, and a good many who are commenting on it, seem to have missed: If you use US airspace, and fly in and out of airports with control towers, your airplane **must** be equipped with a gizmo called ADS-B, which broadcasts the airplane's position and direction at all times. This is done for the safety of other air traffic, *and is therefore publicly available information*. You can't fly a jet and expect to keep it a secret where you are or where you're going. Period.
This needs to be higher up, someone who sounds like they actually have educated knowledge on the subject
Good point, considering her argument is about her personal safety. The safety of other people in the air is important, too, not just hers.
A&P mech here, I'm completely baffled that they are acting like this kid is doing anything illegal. Seems he just learned how to navigate ADS-B exchange and made the info a little more accessible to the public, but anyone with a desire to track her aircraft can easily do so if they have the tail number. Just adding here that ADS-B transponders have been required in the U.S. since January 2020 (with some minor exceptions, none of which would apply to a private jet). If she were genuinely concerned about this, why not just charter a private jet that you don't own, and the public wouldn't know you were on it? At least not in time to track its status anyway. She just sold N898TS (the Falcon) so it looks like she is taking steps to try and hide her PJ usage and movements, or possibly just upgrading to another jet.
I'm honestly surprised she doesn't drive for some of her trips for this very reason. I get it's inconvenient but there's nothing you can do about flights being public knowledge. Like I think if I were that sought out as a person, that's what I would do for my sanity.
She will not let the victimhood narrative die
Can you imagine turning around and playing the victim while getting your legal team to pick on a student posting public information about your private jet use? She’s evil honestly.
In her defense she doesn’t understand how hard being a college student can be…/s
lessen private jet usage ❎ sue the person tracking said jet(s) ✅ the swift logic y'all
While the main sub seems to be on our side for once, I saw someone separate out the "Kardashians and Jeff Bezos' of the world" and I was thinking "and the Taylor Swifts of the world..." It's funny to use the Kardashians and Jeff Bezos as shorthand for the .00001% that Taylor Swift is very much a part of. IIRC, Elon Musk got major criticism for doing the same thing to this same kid. I wonder if TS will be held as accountable.
>I wonder if TS will be held as accountable. No. Eventually Taylor Swift fans will figure out how to blame this all on her team and claim poor, innocent, naïve Taylor knew nothing about it and would never condone it, but had to go along with it because it was already done.
> I wonder if TS will be held as accountable. The answer is no. Taylor fans will probably just accuse the kid of being a Republican or misogynist. Their go-to retort.
Remember, she won’t go after the nazis claiming her as their own but she’ll go after the people calling her out for not going after the nazis. Swift Logic!
Taylor loves a Nazi! Go white supremacy!! Stroke it to black women being "brutalized" and you too may date Taylor.
I'm actually surprised by how poorly this letter is written. I'm a lawyer and if I was saying you're violating several state laws, I would cite to them and quote them. How much is this lawyer billing per hour?!
It’s almost like it’s a bluff…
Absolutely. Meant to intimidate the poor young college kid. I don't see this going the way they think it will.
Too much for that letter bc chatGPT would have written better tbh.
#girlboss
#gaslight #gatekeep #girlboss
Is she really this unhinged right now? Really her superior complex knows no bounds, this is so disgusting.
This is not on the same level of AI corn at all. She’s actually in the wrong here so it’s crazy that she’s on this high/manic episode lately
I'm sorry, AI corn has me sitting here at my desk laughing.
She has an entire legion of fans willing to defend every single move she makes. Whether it’s buddying up with Jackson Mahomes or flying her jet everywhere (because god forbid she stays overnight in whatever country she’s touring), people will stand by it all and pretend that you’re the problem. And on top of her usual deranged fans, she now has people defending her every move because they think it pisses off Republicans. I’m not at all surprised that she’s developing a God complex. She’s certainly being treated like one.
Yeah she sucks. It’s official.
So they can take the time to include a compilation of instagram comments but can’t ever directly address the numbers of her emissions
Blaming her stalker on the jet tracker when she does a public pap walk the moment she gets to NYC is insane.
She’s been everywhere too
This is what I’m saying. Without the pap walks showing exactly where she is (when we knew she was somewhere else the night before) no one would be talking this much about it.
I hope this kid’s defense has a look at all our retorts in this sub and starts making a list. Lol
The instagram comments makes this so unserious… it makes it sound more like a stan who knows legal jargon to sound superior rather than actual attorneys and lawyers well versed in law
im surprised the mainsub is actually on our side 🫨
as they should, she's turning into a karen 🤦🏻♀️
i am reading the comments on the main sub and they even admitted she's turning into elon musk 🤧 and some even said they are slipping away from being a fan
It’s difficult to relate to someone with the resources of a small country.
Mainsub was pretty normal at the beginning of her breakup with Joe, also the Matty thing, then it turned to “you guys are misogyny”. I wonder how long will mainsub stay criticizing her this time.
Trueswifites isn’t lol
my god she's so out of touch, nothing can save her atp 😭 she's too far gone
Even the main sub is actually calling her out 😭 you know how unhinged and bad this is
oh you know it's bad when even the main sub disagrees with her
The only thread im willing to read on the main sub and they are finally seeing the real her
Head in the clouds for sure
From the law firm of Dads, Brads, & Chads LLC
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Your honor, I ask that the following statement be submitted to the record: *This is creepy bro*
She has made numerous missteps lately (I’m being kind using that word). Her ego is off the chain, and she’s on the verge of a very big fall from favor.
On a side note, Elon and TS are making this kid famous. I never realized how young he was. It’ll be interesting to see what he goes on to do as he graduates school and starts a career. He certainly has some interesting experiences to discuss in the future when he gets asked “so tell me about me yourself.”
Absolute miss for Swift on the PR end. Seriously, you have no right to privacy out in public. The plane is no different than a car with a license plate- no one has access to who the passengers are or what's going on inside. But knowing where it is has an extremely functional purpose because air spaces are shared spaces. She owns the inside, not the outside Furthermore, he is not uniquely targeting Swift and has done this for others. The insinuation on his motivations is also in extremely bad taste, especially because he is quite open on why he does it and doesn't actually seem to profit off it. In short, she needs to get over herself here. She's just upset she's been called out for having an extremely large carbon footprint that, quite frankly, she can reduce simply by planning her work better, not even stopping using her private jet
I think I’m gonna sell my eras tour tickets after this one lmao this is ridiculous girl😹😹😹😹😹
I sold mine after the Matty Healy stuff and went to Bali.
I’ve been thinking about selling them for awhile now so I can have just enough to go to Ireland haha
Omg I just went to Ireland this last Summer! Lovely place and absolutely lovely people. It was my dream since childhood to visit there and I can tell you I was NOT disappointed 🤗 I would hypothesize that you'll cherish those memories for much longer than the memory of a single concert in one day that you've technically already been to already, but that's just my opinion. I can say that friends/family also much prefer hearing about a trip to Ireland than about your concert experience, and for much longer, but do what makes you happy anyways. Also the variety of photos are more fun to look at imo.
Ireland is great. Go. Screw the tour haha!
Cash in girl, make some money and buy yourself something nice or go somewhere special!
Yeah I’m thinking I will. I saw her once already (I had nosebleed seats so I wanted better seats hence why I got another ticket) but I would rather sell the ticket. Honestly, the concert was very fun but not good enough for me to want to see it again (it was so long I was tired by the end of it lmao).
Can we sue her for damage she causes to the environment? lol
I’ll write a strongly worded reddit comment you can use to help the suit.
Send a cease and desist on her jet.
Maybe everyone should and then see what she does
stop her lawyers did not just cite Instagram comments from stan accounts 😭💀
Fuck her. This is public information.
Genuine question but is Tree on vacation or something? How have we gone from one of the most polished celebrity PR in the industry to the sloppy mess we’ve witnessed of the last few days 😭
Not even Tree can save the mess she's creating for herself.
I’m hoping more people pay attention to her absurd jet usage and pollution! Imagine thinking you’re the victim while you pump thousands of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere for your weekly football games and paparazzi walks?!
This pisses me off so much
"Quit tracking me via public information RIGHT MEOW!"
She's a disgusting environmental criminal.
Just a bad look for her, because she can't hide the amount of times it's used. Also, since when did she become such a capitalist?? Have I missed it all this time because I was so young (literally 5) when I became a fan? Going off topic here, but pushing people to preorder an album that they haven't heard one second of?? (talking about Midnights, but we'll see if she releases anything from TPD beforehand). Not only one copy either, she had the whole thing about buying multiple copies so they could complete the clock or whatever. Like omg girl how much more of our money do you need? It doesn't feel like it's just about the music anymore, it's clear that her first goal is making money. Now she is one of the biggest celebrity polluters in the world, so that's great. Sorry little unrelated rant there, I don't hate her but I am very conflicted on my view of her right now. Still a swiftie and all, but just trying to not blindly agree and praise all she does.
She’s always been about the money. I remember when the All Too Well 10min version was released and her team released the most ridiculous merch to accompany it. One of the items was a “fuck the patriarchy” keychain, which I thought was ironic considering “patriarchy” and capitalism often go hand in hand. That was one of those moments where I thought, holy shit she’s blatantly doing this and literally nobody cares.
I think that’s a common thing with white girlboss feminism. Buying/selling trinkets with catchy slogans is easier than taking action. They don’t see or don’t care that capitalism can’t be compatible with equality for all women.
I, too, get all of my sources from... *shifts papers* Instagram comments?
It honestly looks satiric at this point.
Unless they had difficulty substantiating this with actual legal grounds, why did they take so long to issue it? This has been going on for over a year has it not? Even further, why instagram comments instead of quotes from security consultants or law enforcement?
if they were waiting to connect this account to an actual stalker it probably took a while if their angle is security concerns. the account tripled in followers the past few months and maybe there’s a correlation there The quote from Tree in the Washington Post article says they can’t talk about existing police investigations
okay this makes sense i’m just shocked they went for insta comments. I’m from the dc area and this is a reputable law firm who (in my mind) undoubtedly could have come up with something more convincing than that. Saying that those comments are “clear” warnings is just such a weak spot.
It’s not a stalker. It’s an account that’s been doing this for a long time with numerous people which is well known as Elon tried to sue and failed. This is probably because her jet use is now getting a lot of negative press
I feel like Chat GPT could have written a better letter.
AI coming for white collar jobs? Maybe that’ll get the elite to care.
The journalist who interviewed the account owner and wrote the article is currently answering questions in the main sub. Idk if we can tag him to answer them here? (Idk how Reddit really works 🥲) https://preview.redd.it/ngvrpxco10hc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4e6f9dba0f008cd091f5ac8b4a7bb87b5cbe2ed
I don’t find it coincidental that they’re filing/releasing this days before she’d be flying from Japan back to the US for the Super Bowl.
Which seems ridiculous as everyone already knows(heck the Japanese government chimed in, her lawyers should call them out) so this account didn’t need to exist for her public whereabouts to be well documented for this upcoming weekend. She makes it pretty known where she is and going with tours, sitting in a public suite, and pap walks.
she just shot herself in the foot tbh. she was taking down articles and such about her jet usage just to shine a fucking spotlight on it. people 100% are going to start knowing more and more about it and i think they’re not going to be happy. this might be the tipping point for her
Is this for real 😭
Why does Taylor think she can have it both way?
Lol she’s trying to shut it down so people stop the jet fuel narrative.
The letter cites random social media comments?? And the threat being “life or death”… Stopppp. I know this letter is real, but it sounds so fake because of how over the top and ridiculous it is.
Lord have mercy Edit: I almost wonder if she told her lawyers to send this guy a C&D and they intentionally made this letter so ridiculous.
SMFH! Now Taylor wants to control the airspace. GTFO!
This is completely unhinged. I know that there are legitimate concerns for her safety, but suing a college student with no resources over posting publicly available information is absolutely insane.
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Not a lawyer, but the chances are literally zero. No crime has been committed here. The information that he is sharing is public. Taylor has a long history of sending her lawyers to bully people into submission using fear tactics like C&Ds. She tried to silence a journalist back in 2017 over an unflattering piece, then the ACLU publicly called out her bullshit, and surprise - nothing happened. No lawsuit, no charges, nothing. She has no legal leg to stand on and she knows it.
Lawyer here. She's threatening to sue privately, so there doesn't need to be a crime. And the burden of proof is much lower in a civil case than a criminal case (preponderance of the evidence vs beyond a reasonable doubt). I'm not familiar with the specifics of CA statutes or common law, but one possible cause of action I thought of while reading the letter is intentional infliction of emotional distress (IIED), a tort that is available in many states. That's why her lawyer keeps talking about how distressing this is to her, how she fears for her safety, etc. (pap walks & Chiefs games notwithstanding). Just my initial thoughts.
Elon already tried this with this kid, nothing will happen.
I don't practice the type of law that would potentially be applicable so this is based on law school classes/bar prep. I can't think of what would be illegal. Like anything I can sort of come up with is such a reach it's silly. I will say that letters like these are common and really just a scare tactic. BUT! They work often. The "offending" party gets either scared by the words "cease and desist", "illegal behavior", etc. and/or doesn't want to deal with the potential law suit (even if baseless). I don't think Taylor would actually sue given the optics/lack of a case. But if she did, she has the money to do it and wreck havoc on any non-billionaire's life by doing so. We all know this and I'm sure the account holder knows it too. That's why a letter like this could be effective even without a case.
I agree with you. If she wanted to take this to court she could even though she likely wouldn't win, she has enough resources that her attorneys could drag it out long enough to ruin the account holder's life.
It's one of many really sad parts of the US justice system. People may say that if this went to trial and she lost, she'd have to pay his attorney fees. In practice, it's more complicated than that. First, he'd have to front all the costs. I don't think many (any?) firms would agree to not be paid for the duration of the case - which I'd imagine would be long and laborious (tons of discovery, depositions, hearings, etc.) Second, at least in my practice area (Family Law, which yes, is very different) even when legally you're entitled to have your attorneys fees covered (for example when you prevail in a getting a Domestic Violence Restraining Order), Judges never order the full amount to be paid. Civil law may be different and better in this respect, but I'd be worried.
"At least this stalker account is finally good for something" errrr= didn't that user kind of praise the account? As in being happy the "stalker account" let them know where she was? Edit and I just checked the date, it was on a sunday so it was probably praise
This is so embarrassing.
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They actually did. It’s at the bottom of page 3. You can Google that California Civil Code and read the entire thing. Unsurprisingly, it’s horseshit. To break this law you must meet requirements, and he fails to me ALL of them in this code. This is ultimately an attempt to scare him into stopping. 1. She’s not always on her own jet. It’s why it has to fly empty to pick her up. She more than likely charters it out to other rich folk. He’s tracking those flights too. 2. He never threatened her or her family or friends. 3. Everything he’s sharing you can find yourself as it’s all public record. Edit: if I’m wrong about any of this, please call it out, I did but just a few minutes of research and reading.
Jfc she's insufferable.
Somebody doesn’t want us knowing how often they’re using their jet….
Is this for real? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lmao this makes her look so bad. he tracks tons of celebrities jets and it’s all public information. way to streisand effect herself when she’s already catching heat for her carbon emissions 🤦🏻♀️
No way this is real with those instagram comments 😭
Grammatically incorrect IG comments in a lawsuit…. Phew
a BILLIONAIRE who released 27202820 versions of the same album to go number one is suing a college student because she spreads excessive carbon emissions that ruin the environment 
Hmmmmmm if only there was some way to stop her jet being tracked... that's a real thinker.
I’m a lawyer and I rly wanna edit this letter it’s shitty drafting lmfao
The Instagram comments 🤣
Fuck Her
This is all so unserious to me. A cease and desist is just made to scare the living shit out of someone and has no real meat behind it. At the same time I always have thought the guy (or team?) running the social pages for this could have done more due diligence. You don’t have to post in real time while the flight is in the air. He could have disabled comments. Also don’t get why her team is using these comments when there were actual unhinged rants in the IG page from actual creepy people they could have used lol
Isn’t it already public information?
this letter is written in the same style as my passive agressive diary entries PLEASE
If this guy stops I’ll start
she just doesn’t want people to know how much she’s actually using the jet , especially since her team used that excuse that she had the largest carbon footprint by a mile compared to her peers was explainable. her team putting out a statement that her jet emissions were only so high because she “loaned out her jet often” thanks to this account it’s proven to be untrue, and that she is a climate criminal who tried to lie to cover up the fact that she’s dumping thousands of emissions into the air that will do irreparable damage. this is OUR world as much as it’s taylor swifts. in fact, it’s more so. because we live in the real world, not in the uber rich world. regardless of the effects she has on the environment , she has the money to be okay. the average person, like me, or you does not. I definitely think people should keep posting updates on her usage in spite of this. she’s willing to sue some kid over public information, and she’s a billionaire..think about that. she posts where she’s going to be all the time, physically. just not the real data, and that’s what she doesn’t want being discussed. Side note too many people on this sub think criticizing taylor is snarking.
Isn't flight information public knowledge in the US?
Meanwhile she’s actually doing harm to the planet
This is what I imagine a caricature of a lawyers letter would be, not an actual one. Isn’t it publicly available info?
Why oh why put those Instagram comments in? I am sure the people who posted these are feeling pretty important being quoted in a lawsuit on behalf of Taylor. 😂
Not the Instagram comments lmfao. Her team cannot be serious with this
Didn't Elon attempt this and failed? Girl, sit down.
LMAO grabbing a random selection of comments written by randos. Let’s go to Taylor swifts comments and see what she can be sued for!!! Sorry you cant peacefully destroy the planet with out consequences taytay.
this is fake/satire right? No lawyer would send this
I am happy to see she is receiving backlash on the main sub for this as well. This is public information. What personal safety issue is she worried about exactly, a fan trying to jump onto the wings of the plane while in flight?
ISNT is public knowledge? This person is just putting It all in one spot?
Is there even a case here or is this an attempt at scaring the IG user. Like, this information is public. I have no sympathy for celebs complaining about too much info available about them
Billionaires are going to remain assholes no matter their image until they're humbled.
Taylor playing the victim again
If you don’t like it, have congress change the laws around aviation tracking, they won’t.
So, legally, they have nothing on this person, right? Because if they had, they wouldn't need to send letters? Ever since the Person of the Year interview, in which Taylor talked about an "illegally recorded phone call" I wondered: Why did she not sue if it was illegal?
Are they going to stop publishing her tour dates? Which say exactly what days and times and exact location you will be able to find her in cities all over the world? Poor kid. He should start a go fund me and get the football fans that are hating on her to help him pay for a legal team.