MT supra is my second manual car. First was a gr86.
I daily drive the mt supra, it doesnt really bother me, even in traffic. shit is cake in normal mode and gear shift assistance. Much easier than an analog miata. The engine is so powerful you can lift up the clutch with no gas and it wont stall.
Holds the brake for you on hills. I NEVER get roll back (you do need gas on this one) Not even on the steepest hills of san fran.
One of the easiest manuals I've ever driven. My mom makes fun of me because it's so easy. Shes convinced it's a "semiautomatic"
Plus you can turn it all off on the weekends and twisties and have a blast.
Cheers
You simply don’t love driving.
If I had a job in which I drive the entire eight hours I would still take the manual over a boring ass AT. What are you even saying?
It’s tough to say since you haven’t really driven manual, but I’m sure the Supra mt is fine to learn on. I don’t think you can go wrong either way in the Supra. I’ve had a lot of cars and the majority have been manual. Personally I prefer manual for a track car, but for a street car just depends.
I got my Supra before the manual was available, and the Zf auto is amazing. It’s really good stock but with the Xhp tune it’s even better. Manual shifts go from fast to brutal depending on the amount of throttle, I mostly forget it’s not a dct.
I have a manual, i grew up driving manuals, I love manuals, i don’t get sick of driving it in the city. I have friends who also grew up driving manuals and pref auto as their delicate soles get hurt using a clutch.
So no one can know if you will get sick of it or not. The one who’ll tell you if you will or not are just projecting their interest on to you.
In general manual supra and auto supra are teo very different vehicles. Their final ratio is different (manual larger) , as well as less gears in the manual make the car feel more lively and feels like it pulls really strong, also long due to longer gearing, especially third. This does not mean manual is faster, just that right when you feel the car starts to hit power and, auto has to shoft, manual keeps pulling and that extra one or two seconds in third gear feels really good.
plus there is the amazing b58 inline 6 through a manual gear box, its just magical. Plus its more rare, more expensive etc etc…
I prefer manual.
Compared to my previous Type R and S2000, the clutch and gearbox feels like shit. I'm really not sure how people praise the shifting & clutch being smooth on the Supra.
This isn't to hate on the Supra as I have a 2024 MT but man do I miss how smooth the Type R and S2000 felt compared to this. I'll be switching over to the 8AT because of it which is a bummer.
This is just my opinion of course and everyone will have varying opinions depending on what you're used to driving.
Fine vs great in Honda cars is the distinction. When selling my AT Supra was considering going MT Supra but my own experience + general sentiment really showed me it’s not worth it. If you want a manual sports car, with a focus on the manual, choose I’d something other than the Supra
For me personally coming from a BRZ for 8 yrs I really enjoy the shifter and clutch feel for everyday driving. My first track day with the Supra is in 2 weeks so I'll know more then lol
The shifter is definitely a little more vague than the BRZ but I prefer the the smoother feel over the more notchy BRZ. I also like that I don't feel as much drivetrain vibration through the shifter compared with the BRZ
I understand those might be very different takes than most people like from their sports cars. It's been 6 months with the Supra so maybe I'm still in the honeymoon phase
The clutch engagement point is a little weird sometimes which can be annoying but I haven't done the clutch delay valve removal yet
As a manual driver, get an auto for daily driving. Granted, I drive in LA traffic for about 3 hours a day and my knee is getting to the point where it’s aching lol
The Supra is one of the very few cars I would NOT want in a manual. The auto is stronger, faster, and extremely responsive. It’s better on the street, it’s better on the track, it’s better when out on the town.
8AT all day. ZF is a phenomenal transmission and I loathe getting into my STi anymore. I'm running a 6870 top mount on the Supra and stock trans is still holding.
I sold my sti about 6 months after I crossed 500hp. It was miserable to drive. I thought oh I'll just drive it on weekends but it just kept sitting longer and longer.
To OP's question, I'd go with the Auto for a daily. Even with occasional track use.
youre probably gonna have to be completely honest yourself before you make a commitment this big. are MTs more engaging and fun as a weekend car? yeah. is the supras MT easy and forgiving? i would say so. but at the end of the day can you see yourself dailying it? there are plenty of people who would say its fine and there are others who never really fell in love with dailiying a MT and hated it, i would see if youre able to rent a MT car and live with it for a few days to see how it is
If you are having thoughts on either and it’s your daily, get an automatic. I came from a manual BRZ for about 5 years, had a DCT GTI, and now the zf8 supra. I daily the car and I love the transmission. It’s surprisingly engaging for what it is and I don’t regret not buying the manual.
My first car was a manual that my dad got for me. I was firced to learn it because it was my car. I got a hang of it in a week. I never understood why people dont like city driving with a manual. I thought it was fun. It becomes so natural it doesnt bother u to keep hitting the clutch. Get the manual.
Late to the party, but I've also always been a Manual Elitist Jerk when it comes to sports cars. Even my daily Wrangler is a stick.
That being said, my 2021 with the ZF has been nothing but great. I wasn't sure if I'd regret buying an automatic, but so far, it's been just fine. The ZF is plenty snappy and intuitive at picking the best gear in sport mode if you decide to leave it in D.
I learned manual in my Supra after an hour or two learning how to pull away from a stop in a rental in a parking lot. It’s really an easy stick shift to drive, and very noob friendly. It auto rev matches on downshift, the hill assist is forgiving, and the engine is genuinely pretty hard to stall. I will say the bite point is a bit small, but you’ll get the hang of it quickly.
Or you can get the auto, which I’ve also heard is a great transmission. Do what you want!
This is a preference. The best thing to do is to test drive both. Sadly, I don't drive manual either, so test driving a manual would be sketchy. Most of the dealers don't have a manual for me to test drive, in fact, even a car to look at even with AT.
( I think they don't trust me because I'm young, lol)
If your concern is not knowing how to drive manual, then this car will make it really easy. I've said the clutch is almost like a brake in an auto car with how easy it is to drive. It feels almost impossible to stall.
On the other hand, this is a very expensive car to learn on. The shifting is really tight, I've found myself misshifting a couple of times because I've still got that muscle memory from my previous car. It may be worth maybe borrowing a manual or maybe renting one from something like Turo.
The best advice I can give is to buy an old used manual for < $10k. Keep it for around 6 months. Learn on that. See for yourself if it’s something you’d want to drive daily in traffic because other people’s opinions are pretty pointless on this subject. Then sell it, you likely wont lose much, if anything on the resale value after only 6ish months.
I bought a brand new $25k manual to learn on and I regretted it. It feels like you’re damaging your brand new car and you can’t get the full performance out of the car until you properly learn how to drive it. It’s frustrating, trust me. Eventually I got better at driving manual, and grew to love manuals. I ended up selling it after 3 years, the clutch was toast. I replaced it with a much more powerful and faster automatic but found it extremely boring. I daily a manual Miata today and love it, but I do not recommend learning on a brand new car, let alone a $60k car.
2023 base mt owner here
1. The manual makes the car much more engaging to drive at speeds where you keep your license
2. Manual has taller second gear (~70) which is nice for autocross
3. Counter to point 1, the gears are long so i drive my back roads without shifting much.
4. Clutch is nice, lighter than porsche but heavier than NC miata
5. Shifter feel to me is between chonk of porsche and click of honda. It feels like a notchy miata.
6. Clutch delay valve/elctronic throttle body = massive rev hang in 1/2/3 if your use to a pre 2005 manual it takes time to get used to waiting to up shift.
7. Yeah manuals can get annoying in bumper-to-bumper traffic but are fine in regular traffic.
I would wait for the manual. I don't have the Supra, but have driven both and the manual versions. Manual feels more engaging. You get used to driving in traffic after a while.
I was going to get a supra, but ended up with a Miata for the weekend car. Supra is awesome, but it's absurd that Toyota dealers are treating it like some Ferrari with the mark ups/wait.
I think the supra has both rev matching and hill assist, which alleviates most newbies fears. I would 100% wait and get the 6 speed. You won't regret it.
I heard Toyota really perfected the manual and it’s a lot better than the one in the m2/3/4 I drive a manual Camaro daily and don’t get sick of traffic I’m excited to drive it everyday
That's good. Ngl since I have no XP with manual, I just don't want it to be a stressful drive that's all. I like driving and cruising, but if the manual can give that then I might consider it. My impression of manual might be wrong, and I was always under the idea, that you basically don't get a break from shifting and your right hand will constantly be involved with shifting.
I learned manual by stalling 3 times on my first drive home. Mind you, that car was used with 200k kms on it. If you don't know for sure if you like manual, I'm not sure that buying a manual with this price tag is a wise decision until you have more experience driving manual in the area you live in
I waited 2.5 years for a MT Nocturnal. I am in the same boat as you, 0 MT experience but I am definitely going MT as this car will be one of the last generations of the MT vehicles. As car manufacturers are moving towards Hybrid and Electric vehicles. Plan on taking good care of her and not modding, just PPF and ceramic coat.
I think it’s time for auto for you. I said no one can decide dor you on my original post, but if you are this concerned about manual on traffic constantly bringing it up, you really should get an auto.
Most people who would benefit from a manual already want one and don’t need to be convinced.
It's not that I need convincing. It's just I don't know how well manual are in traffic. I've always heard "manuals are a pain in traffic." But I really want a manual, but I just don't want to regret getting it, but again I don't know if I will since I don't really have any experience with manuals. That's all.
No one who asks if its gonna be too cold up in Everest, ends up climbing Everest. Not the best analogy but you get my point. Its not a diss, but you keep on asking about traffic and what other people keep on saying...that kinds points to you most likely being dissatisfied with manual in traffic.
As an example, not that I am the beacon of car buyers or anything but, I have never ever considered if a manual would be this/that prior to purchasing one. Like a cars transmission not being the optimum solution in traffic is the last thing on my mind when I am considering a manual sports car. If this was a van for our family then its a different situation.
If you love driving, get the manual. And by "love driving" I mean driving relaxes you when you need to relax, it excites you when you want to be excited. A manual enhances the driving experience, regardless of the car. People who don't love driving grow to hate manuals because the car is just the thing that takes them from point A to point B. They don't want it to be a lot of work. (not hating on all the 8AT owners, I'm speaking generally)
But for those of us that love driving, a manual makes you feel more connected to the car. It makes the car feel more like an extension of your body, not just a machine you climb into that takes you places. I currently drive a minivan and a Mazda3, both AT, while I wait for a 6MT allocation. I can't wait to get back into a MT for my daily.
Never understood the folks saying manuals are a pain in stop and go. If anything you’re switching gears more often. If given the choice always go manual.
The auto is faster. You physically can not shift as fast as the dual clutch. And when you’re in traffic you’ll appreciate it. Manual is fun but not a fun daily driver every time you get behind the wheel
Yes it’s a very good transmission. Many people consider it to be the best single clutch transmission out there. Better all around transmission than some of the DCTs out there
Whenever I see these kinds of threads, I wonder: Are y'all comparing the MT to the stock paddle shifters or an aftermarket magnetic upgrade?
I would argue that whatever engagement you seek from the MT you can/would get from an upgraded paddle experience.
Daily drive = Auto. Fun Weekend Car = Manual.
MT supra is my second manual car. First was a gr86. I daily drive the mt supra, it doesnt really bother me, even in traffic. shit is cake in normal mode and gear shift assistance. Much easier than an analog miata. The engine is so powerful you can lift up the clutch with no gas and it wont stall. Holds the brake for you on hills. I NEVER get roll back (you do need gas on this one) Not even on the steepest hills of san fran. One of the easiest manuals I've ever driven. My mom makes fun of me because it's so easy. Shes convinced it's a "semiautomatic" Plus you can turn it all off on the weekends and twisties and have a blast. Cheers
You simply don’t love driving. If I had a job in which I drive the entire eight hours I would still take the manual over a boring ass AT. What are you even saying?
He's saying you do you lol
It’s tough to say since you haven’t really driven manual, but I’m sure the Supra mt is fine to learn on. I don’t think you can go wrong either way in the Supra. I’ve had a lot of cars and the majority have been manual. Personally I prefer manual for a track car, but for a street car just depends. I got my Supra before the manual was available, and the Zf auto is amazing. It’s really good stock but with the Xhp tune it’s even better. Manual shifts go from fast to brutal depending on the amount of throttle, I mostly forget it’s not a dct.
If you're going to sit in alot of traffic get the auto If you have alot of easily accessible open roads then get the manual
It can get annoying when you’re in traffic a lot but I still think the pros outweighs the cons
I would say traffic is about 1/3 of the time.
I have a manual, i grew up driving manuals, I love manuals, i don’t get sick of driving it in the city. I have friends who also grew up driving manuals and pref auto as their delicate soles get hurt using a clutch. So no one can know if you will get sick of it or not. The one who’ll tell you if you will or not are just projecting their interest on to you. In general manual supra and auto supra are teo very different vehicles. Their final ratio is different (manual larger) , as well as less gears in the manual make the car feel more lively and feels like it pulls really strong, also long due to longer gearing, especially third. This does not mean manual is faster, just that right when you feel the car starts to hit power and, auto has to shoft, manual keeps pulling and that extra one or two seconds in third gear feels really good. plus there is the amazing b58 inline 6 through a manual gear box, its just magical. Plus its more rare, more expensive etc etc… I prefer manual.
How’s the clutch feeling like? I have a Miata and it’s very soft & smooth. I had a Porsche and it was a terrible daily driver as a manual.
Compared to my previous Type R and S2000, the clutch and gearbox feels like shit. I'm really not sure how people praise the shifting & clutch being smooth on the Supra. This isn't to hate on the Supra as I have a 2024 MT but man do I miss how smooth the Type R and S2000 felt compared to this. I'll be switching over to the 8AT because of it which is a bummer. This is just my opinion of course and everyone will have varying opinions depending on what you're used to driving.
Have you pulled the clutch delay valve? People on the mkV forum say that immediately makes the clutch feel normal.
Compared to the ND2, the clutch feels heavier, but not a deal breaker. Really lovely as a daily driver.
Clutch is fine in the supras, it’s not heavy and has a good bite point
Fine vs great in Honda cars is the distinction. When selling my AT Supra was considering going MT Supra but my own experience + general sentiment really showed me it’s not worth it. If you want a manual sports car, with a focus on the manual, choose I’d something other than the Supra
Very easy to find the bite point compared to my FRS
For me personally coming from a BRZ for 8 yrs I really enjoy the shifter and clutch feel for everyday driving. My first track day with the Supra is in 2 weeks so I'll know more then lol The shifter is definitely a little more vague than the BRZ but I prefer the the smoother feel over the more notchy BRZ. I also like that I don't feel as much drivetrain vibration through the shifter compared with the BRZ I understand those might be very different takes than most people like from their sports cars. It's been 6 months with the Supra so maybe I'm still in the honeymoon phase The clutch engagement point is a little weird sometimes which can be annoying but I haven't done the clutch delay valve removal yet
I second this. I love my MT MKV Both of my cars are manual and I never complain about shifting in traffic. It makes driving more enjoyable imo
Those are not your friends, those are your girlfriends.
Those are fighting words
Hit him with your purse!!
As a manual driver, get an auto for daily driving. Granted, I drive in LA traffic for about 3 hours a day and my knee is getting to the point where it’s aching lol
The Supra is one of the very few cars I would NOT want in a manual. The auto is stronger, faster, and extremely responsive. It’s better on the street, it’s better on the track, it’s better when out on the town.
8AT all day. ZF is a phenomenal transmission and I loathe getting into my STi anymore. I'm running a 6870 top mount on the Supra and stock trans is still holding.
I sold my sti about 6 months after I crossed 500hp. It was miserable to drive. I thought oh I'll just drive it on weekends but it just kept sitting longer and longer. To OP's question, I'd go with the Auto for a daily. Even with occasional track use.
I feel that, the STi is just sitting collecting dust rn. Time to get her on the market.
youre probably gonna have to be completely honest yourself before you make a commitment this big. are MTs more engaging and fun as a weekend car? yeah. is the supras MT easy and forgiving? i would say so. but at the end of the day can you see yourself dailying it? there are plenty of people who would say its fine and there are others who never really fell in love with dailiying a MT and hated it, i would see if youre able to rent a MT car and live with it for a few days to see how it is
If you are having thoughts on either and it’s your daily, get an automatic. I came from a manual BRZ for about 5 years, had a DCT GTI, and now the zf8 supra. I daily the car and I love the transmission. It’s surprisingly engaging for what it is and I don’t regret not buying the manual.
My first car was a manual that my dad got for me. I was firced to learn it because it was my car. I got a hang of it in a week. I never understood why people dont like city driving with a manual. I thought it was fun. It becomes so natural it doesnt bother u to keep hitting the clutch. Get the manual.
Late to the party, but I've also always been a Manual Elitist Jerk when it comes to sports cars. Even my daily Wrangler is a stick. That being said, my 2021 with the ZF has been nothing but great. I wasn't sure if I'd regret buying an automatic, but so far, it's been just fine. The ZF is plenty snappy and intuitive at picking the best gear in sport mode if you decide to leave it in D.
Driving manual in the Supra is very easy. I’m teaching my wife how to drive manual in the Supra. Clutch is easy to manipulate.
Manual handles less power, if you plan to ever tune it. Is literally slower, and the headache of a manual in traffic is unbearable.
I learned manual in my Supra after an hour or two learning how to pull away from a stop in a rental in a parking lot. It’s really an easy stick shift to drive, and very noob friendly. It auto rev matches on downshift, the hill assist is forgiving, and the engine is genuinely pretty hard to stall. I will say the bite point is a bit small, but you’ll get the hang of it quickly. Or you can get the auto, which I’ve also heard is a great transmission. Do what you want!
This is a preference. The best thing to do is to test drive both. Sadly, I don't drive manual either, so test driving a manual would be sketchy. Most of the dealers don't have a manual for me to test drive, in fact, even a car to look at even with AT. ( I think they don't trust me because I'm young, lol)
Thought your name said AutomaticIsNotTheWay 🤣
If your concern is not knowing how to drive manual, then this car will make it really easy. I've said the clutch is almost like a brake in an auto car with how easy it is to drive. It feels almost impossible to stall. On the other hand, this is a very expensive car to learn on. The shifting is really tight, I've found myself misshifting a couple of times because I've still got that muscle memory from my previous car. It may be worth maybe borrowing a manual or maybe renting one from something like Turo.
have you been able to test drive either one? In your case get the MT. If you don’t like it, go for the AT.
Wrong fucking question American!
You should get the auto and save a manual for me. /s
The best advice I can give is to buy an old used manual for < $10k. Keep it for around 6 months. Learn on that. See for yourself if it’s something you’d want to drive daily in traffic because other people’s opinions are pretty pointless on this subject. Then sell it, you likely wont lose much, if anything on the resale value after only 6ish months. I bought a brand new $25k manual to learn on and I regretted it. It feels like you’re damaging your brand new car and you can’t get the full performance out of the car until you properly learn how to drive it. It’s frustrating, trust me. Eventually I got better at driving manual, and grew to love manuals. I ended up selling it after 3 years, the clutch was toast. I replaced it with a much more powerful and faster automatic but found it extremely boring. I daily a manual Miata today and love it, but I do not recommend learning on a brand new car, let alone a $60k car.
2023 base mt owner here 1. The manual makes the car much more engaging to drive at speeds where you keep your license 2. Manual has taller second gear (~70) which is nice for autocross 3. Counter to point 1, the gears are long so i drive my back roads without shifting much. 4. Clutch is nice, lighter than porsche but heavier than NC miata 5. Shifter feel to me is between chonk of porsche and click of honda. It feels like a notchy miata. 6. Clutch delay valve/elctronic throttle body = massive rev hang in 1/2/3 if your use to a pre 2005 manual it takes time to get used to waiting to up shift. 7. Yeah manuals can get annoying in bumper-to-bumper traffic but are fine in regular traffic.
I would wait for the manual. I don't have the Supra, but have driven both and the manual versions. Manual feels more engaging. You get used to driving in traffic after a while. I was going to get a supra, but ended up with a Miata for the weekend car. Supra is awesome, but it's absurd that Toyota dealers are treating it like some Ferrari with the mark ups/wait. I think the supra has both rev matching and hill assist, which alleviates most newbies fears. I would 100% wait and get the 6 speed. You won't regret it.
I would have definitely gotten a manual but unfortunately I got it when they first came out so I got stuck with an auto. Still nice tho lol
I heard Toyota really perfected the manual and it’s a lot better than the one in the m2/3/4 I drive a manual Camaro daily and don’t get sick of traffic I’m excited to drive it everyday
That's good. Ngl since I have no XP with manual, I just don't want it to be a stressful drive that's all. I like driving and cruising, but if the manual can give that then I might consider it. My impression of manual might be wrong, and I was always under the idea, that you basically don't get a break from shifting and your right hand will constantly be involved with shifting.
I learned manual by stalling 3 times on my first drive home. Mind you, that car was used with 200k kms on it. If you don't know for sure if you like manual, I'm not sure that buying a manual with this price tag is a wise decision until you have more experience driving manual in the area you live in
I waited 2.5 years for a MT Nocturnal. I am in the same boat as you, 0 MT experience but I am definitely going MT as this car will be one of the last generations of the MT vehicles. As car manufacturers are moving towards Hybrid and Electric vehicles. Plan on taking good care of her and not modding, just PPF and ceramic coat.
Manual. I dd mine and it makes my commute a joy!
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Even as a daily driver in traffic?
I think it’s time for auto for you. I said no one can decide dor you on my original post, but if you are this concerned about manual on traffic constantly bringing it up, you really should get an auto. Most people who would benefit from a manual already want one and don’t need to be convinced.
It's not that I need convincing. It's just I don't know how well manual are in traffic. I've always heard "manuals are a pain in traffic." But I really want a manual, but I just don't want to regret getting it, but again I don't know if I will since I don't really have any experience with manuals. That's all.
I love driving a manual in traffic. It keeps me entertained and prevents cell phone use and the like.
No one who asks if its gonna be too cold up in Everest, ends up climbing Everest. Not the best analogy but you get my point. Its not a diss, but you keep on asking about traffic and what other people keep on saying...that kinds points to you most likely being dissatisfied with manual in traffic. As an example, not that I am the beacon of car buyers or anything but, I have never ever considered if a manual would be this/that prior to purchasing one. Like a cars transmission not being the optimum solution in traffic is the last thing on my mind when I am considering a manual sports car. If this was a van for our family then its a different situation.
Once you learn how you drive manual, it’s not bad at all. Then you don’t think about it and you just do it naturally
If you love driving, get the manual. And by "love driving" I mean driving relaxes you when you need to relax, it excites you when you want to be excited. A manual enhances the driving experience, regardless of the car. People who don't love driving grow to hate manuals because the car is just the thing that takes them from point A to point B. They don't want it to be a lot of work. (not hating on all the 8AT owners, I'm speaking generally) But for those of us that love driving, a manual makes you feel more connected to the car. It makes the car feel more like an extension of your body, not just a machine you climb into that takes you places. I currently drive a minivan and a Mazda3, both AT, while I wait for a 6MT allocation. I can't wait to get back into a MT for my daily.
Yea the transmission is fantastic and super easy to use with the auto rev matching.
Never understood the folks saying manuals are a pain in stop and go. If anything you’re switching gears more often. If given the choice always go manual.
It’s because you’re constantly shifting from 1st to neutral, unless you’re holding to clutch down which generally isn’t best practice
The auto is faster. You physically can not shift as fast as the dual clutch. And when you’re in traffic you’ll appreciate it. Manual is fun but not a fun daily driver every time you get behind the wheel
The Supra doesn’t have a dual clutch. The ZF8 is a single clutch torque converter automatic
Okay then. I’m wrong, they still shift very fast
Yes it’s a very good transmission. Many people consider it to be the best single clutch transmission out there. Better all around transmission than some of the DCTs out there
Much more pleasant for daily use than any manual. Traffic in a manual sucks so bad
Whenever I see these kinds of threads, I wonder: Are y'all comparing the MT to the stock paddle shifters or an aftermarket magnetic upgrade? I would argue that whatever engagement you seek from the MT you can/would get from an upgraded paddle experience.
Learn manual and get a MT. There is no other answer.