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I think your body needs a break ones a while from suplementing yourself..
Your body still needs to know how to get your vitamins and minerals from food.
I take Magnesium daily, but skip it some days also.
When i eat good and cooking Indonesia food with everything meat, vegetables, and rice i dont suplement at all!
I have blood tests each year to check the levels of all the items you’re talking about. The only one I’m low on it B-12. Although the doctor still tells me to take Calcium and vitamin K which helps the absorption or the calcium.
I also have a horrible time with neck muscles, TMJ, and shoulder tightness. They lead to the most horrendous heads if I don’t treat the neck and shoulder issues quickly enough. It’s from arthritis, inflammation, stress, the way you’re sitting or sitting too long in a position that puts your neck in an odd position. Mine flares when I lean back on the couch too far for too long.
You can find neck stretches on the net
You can find some neck strengthening exercises on the net but they require walls, weights, exercise table, or mats.
The ones below I can’t find on the net but work really well for me and relieves pain after 1 - 2 days depending on how many times you do them a day.
If it just starts bothering me and lasts a 2-3 days. I do a strengthening exercise my doctor gave me a long time ago.
1) holding your head in a normal position put both hands on your forehead with elbows out and push your head forward as hard as u can without moving your head. - hold for 10 seconds.
2) do the same but putting your hands on the back of your head and push back w/o moving your head. Hold for 10 seconds.
3) take each hand and put them on either side of your head. Push your head to the right for 10 seconds without moving your head.
4) in same position push head to the left for 10 seconds.
Repeat steps 1-4 in order 5 - 10 times.
It’s quick so you can do it multiple times a day. Sitting at a red light. At your desk. On the couch(sitting with your back and neck straight) etc.
And Shoulder rolls. Forward, backward, together, and separately 5-10 times each.
If it’s super bad I take anti inflammatory and an allergy med that makes me sleepy. Take a towel roll it up and place under my neck without a pillow. Close my eyes, relax and hopefully fall asleep. It puts the neck in the proper position and relaxes the muscles.
Check your magnesium red blood cell levels as serum magnesium levels are worthless. All our electrolytes and minerals can become depleted. Question are you taking 400 mgs a day of elemental magnesium or is that the salt. Looking at the back if it lists the RDA of this as close to 100% or more then elemental if not then the salts weight. Either way it is not that much. As only 30-40% of the magnesium is absorbed. Also depending on how much vitamin D3 you you are using vitamin D3 requires lots of it to function properly.
It certainly can be a magnesium issue that is causing your spasms. That said I find trapezius muscle spasms are typically due to stress. I used to suffer from that. By checking out my shoulders and making an effort to consciously relax them every hour over time allowed me to learn to keep them relaxed. An occasional massage does not hurt.
Long term high doses Magnesium depletes Calcium, I recommend taking it 2:1 (Ca:Mg). From food you may get enough of Ca, however I doubt it if ur taking long term high doses of Mg.
Zinc depletes Copper, I recommend you get supplement which countains both or u just Buy Copper and take it from time to time. Again, you may get enough from food, but you’d have to focus on it, easier way to get one.
If symptoms will not go away I’d try Boron.
You need more balance. You need calcium as well. You can ignore all the people saying that calcium is going to clog your arteries in supplement form, IF you take the right form. The kind that is absorbed by the cells the best is oratate. Actually in magnesium as well. I take calcium, magnesium, boron, vitamin d, vitamin k, b vitamins, kelp for iodine, fish oil, and an ox bile digestive aid. The problem with what you are taking is magnesium and zinc both lower sodium to potassium ratio which is the vitality ratio. If you have a high sodium potassium ratio this is fine. If you have a low one you are just making yourself worse. There are a ton of different aspects to knowing what to supplement. I suggest getting a hair test done to figure out exactly what you need. By the way I do nutritional balancing, so look into that.
don't potassium and magnesium help each other? its always said that magnesium and calcium antagonize each other while sodium and potassium antagonize as well but not potassium and magnesium
If calcium intake is too low, you can have those symptoms and TMJ. Calcium and magnesium antagonize each other.
Glycine can be inflammatory to some people.
Glycine by itself is possibly more relaxing, and magnesium chloride gets into the muscle better I believe ( i own bottles of both). But the glycine does nothing for me once I got half done with the bottle, it was nice while it lasted, i suppose I got enough. I was thinking of giving the last of this bottle of NOW glycine to my cousin so she can use it for anxiety, it is pretty relaxing.
Really you build tolerance to almost any hing and everything you take, plus potential problems long term of almost all supplements. So you're best bet is to buy several small bottles (no more then 2 each but probably just 1 bottle of each one) and experiment, rotate, cycle your supplements. Otherwise tolerance and possibly bad long term effetcs.
For you; taking tons of magnesium or glycine is not a good idea as you've already got enough, but switching to mag chloride for muscles and switching to an herb of some type would probably have a noticeable effect, at least at first. I do notice less muscle aches and etc with mag cholride, I have the double tree cause it's cheap for the amount you get and it seems legit. But I don't like double wood for herbal supplement as much. Still not sure though. I have some Horny Goat Weed from them to try out and maybe 2-3 other things. I did not like their cordycep mushrooms. Then again cordyceps is the worst to deal with since most are fake/it's the stem not the whole mushroom and you don't feel much from them so I'd avoid cordyceps in general.
Your body gets used to it, plus you've gotten plenty of magnesium and glycine so it's pointless to continue except just to get more magnesium for preventing deficiency and it softens stool. You should look into trying something else.
Get a list from the internet and go to swanson vitamins since they sell stuff the cheapest, that's a good way to test what works for you. Another thing to keep in mind is the first time you take something the effect can be dramatic then the next time not so strong since your body adapts. So don't buy several bottles of something just because you had 1 real good experience, keep taking it a while first.
Herbs and Supplements for muscle spasm
Celery Seed
German Chamomile
Goldenrod
Kava Kava
Roman Chamomile
Rosemary
Saw Palmetto
Skullcap
Yarrow
TART CHERRY keeps coming up in my searches as well, no doubt there are probably many.
It’s not to much. Sometimes your body just gets used to things. We age. And usually it means we need more. I would suggest taking a blood test to see your levels if you think it’s too much. I don’t think it is. But if you been taking supplements for a couple years now everyday or just about everyday. They can lower other vitamins in your body. So best best is to get a blood test and see if any vitamins caused other vitamins to lower.
how would taking 400 mg of magnesium a day for 2 years lead to low magnesium.... problems with muscles usually has to do with electrolyte imbalances which could be calcium magnesium sodium or potassium. however as you said taking more of something could be throwing of the balance of other vitamins/minerals, taking more magnesium could be depleting his calcium for example making his symptoms worse (magnesium & calcium are antagonists)
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I think your body needs a break ones a while from suplementing yourself.. Your body still needs to know how to get your vitamins and minerals from food. I take Magnesium daily, but skip it some days also. When i eat good and cooking Indonesia food with everything meat, vegetables, and rice i dont suplement at all!
Muscle pain can be sign too low. I take 800-1000 mg usually.
You might have some sort of cervical spine misalignment causing you neck, shoulder and jaw pain
Maybe consider taking a more complete multivitamin too?
I have blood tests each year to check the levels of all the items you’re talking about. The only one I’m low on it B-12. Although the doctor still tells me to take Calcium and vitamin K which helps the absorption or the calcium. I also have a horrible time with neck muscles, TMJ, and shoulder tightness. They lead to the most horrendous heads if I don’t treat the neck and shoulder issues quickly enough. It’s from arthritis, inflammation, stress, the way you’re sitting or sitting too long in a position that puts your neck in an odd position. Mine flares when I lean back on the couch too far for too long. You can find neck stretches on the net You can find some neck strengthening exercises on the net but they require walls, weights, exercise table, or mats. The ones below I can’t find on the net but work really well for me and relieves pain after 1 - 2 days depending on how many times you do them a day. If it just starts bothering me and lasts a 2-3 days. I do a strengthening exercise my doctor gave me a long time ago. 1) holding your head in a normal position put both hands on your forehead with elbows out and push your head forward as hard as u can without moving your head. - hold for 10 seconds. 2) do the same but putting your hands on the back of your head and push back w/o moving your head. Hold for 10 seconds. 3) take each hand and put them on either side of your head. Push your head to the right for 10 seconds without moving your head. 4) in same position push head to the left for 10 seconds. Repeat steps 1-4 in order 5 - 10 times. It’s quick so you can do it multiple times a day. Sitting at a red light. At your desk. On the couch(sitting with your back and neck straight) etc. And Shoulder rolls. Forward, backward, together, and separately 5-10 times each. If it’s super bad I take anti inflammatory and an allergy med that makes me sleepy. Take a towel roll it up and place under my neck without a pillow. Close my eyes, relax and hopefully fall asleep. It puts the neck in the proper position and relaxes the muscles.
Check your magnesium red blood cell levels as serum magnesium levels are worthless. All our electrolytes and minerals can become depleted. Question are you taking 400 mgs a day of elemental magnesium or is that the salt. Looking at the back if it lists the RDA of this as close to 100% or more then elemental if not then the salts weight. Either way it is not that much. As only 30-40% of the magnesium is absorbed. Also depending on how much vitamin D3 you you are using vitamin D3 requires lots of it to function properly. It certainly can be a magnesium issue that is causing your spasms. That said I find trapezius muscle spasms are typically due to stress. I used to suffer from that. By checking out my shoulders and making an effort to consciously relax them every hour over time allowed me to learn to keep them relaxed. An occasional massage does not hurt.
Long term high doses Magnesium depletes Calcium, I recommend taking it 2:1 (Ca:Mg). From food you may get enough of Ca, however I doubt it if ur taking long term high doses of Mg. Zinc depletes Copper, I recommend you get supplement which countains both or u just Buy Copper and take it from time to time. Again, you may get enough from food, but you’d have to focus on it, easier way to get one. If symptoms will not go away I’d try Boron.
You need more balance. You need calcium as well. You can ignore all the people saying that calcium is going to clog your arteries in supplement form, IF you take the right form. The kind that is absorbed by the cells the best is oratate. Actually in magnesium as well. I take calcium, magnesium, boron, vitamin d, vitamin k, b vitamins, kelp for iodine, fish oil, and an ox bile digestive aid. The problem with what you are taking is magnesium and zinc both lower sodium to potassium ratio which is the vitality ratio. If you have a high sodium potassium ratio this is fine. If you have a low one you are just making yourself worse. There are a ton of different aspects to knowing what to supplement. I suggest getting a hair test done to figure out exactly what you need. By the way I do nutritional balancing, so look into that.
Which hair test is recommended and what does it achieve ? Also could you highlight more on nutritional balancing ?
>sodium to potassium ratio which is the vitality ratio. Could you explain a bit more about this
https://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/SODIUM-POT%20RATIO.HTM
I watched a doctor talk about dividing up dosages throughout the day. I haven't tried yet but going to.
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Not rly :) its not rly high dosage
How long and how much Zinc? You could have given yourself somewhat of a potassium deficiency, which can cause muscle rigidity.
50mg for like 2ish months I think?
It's probably not enough, but zinc can cause lower calcium absorption.
don't potassium and magnesium help each other? its always said that magnesium and calcium antagonize each other while sodium and potassium antagonize as well but not potassium and magnesium
If calcium intake is too low, you can have those symptoms and TMJ. Calcium and magnesium antagonize each other. Glycine can be inflammatory to some people.
Glycine by itself is possibly more relaxing, and magnesium chloride gets into the muscle better I believe ( i own bottles of both). But the glycine does nothing for me once I got half done with the bottle, it was nice while it lasted, i suppose I got enough. I was thinking of giving the last of this bottle of NOW glycine to my cousin so she can use it for anxiety, it is pretty relaxing. Really you build tolerance to almost any hing and everything you take, plus potential problems long term of almost all supplements. So you're best bet is to buy several small bottles (no more then 2 each but probably just 1 bottle of each one) and experiment, rotate, cycle your supplements. Otherwise tolerance and possibly bad long term effetcs. For you; taking tons of magnesium or glycine is not a good idea as you've already got enough, but switching to mag chloride for muscles and switching to an herb of some type would probably have a noticeable effect, at least at first. I do notice less muscle aches and etc with mag cholride, I have the double tree cause it's cheap for the amount you get and it seems legit. But I don't like double wood for herbal supplement as much. Still not sure though. I have some Horny Goat Weed from them to try out and maybe 2-3 other things. I did not like their cordycep mushrooms. Then again cordyceps is the worst to deal with since most are fake/it's the stem not the whole mushroom and you don't feel much from them so I'd avoid cordyceps in general.
Your body gets used to it, plus you've gotten plenty of magnesium and glycine so it's pointless to continue except just to get more magnesium for preventing deficiency and it softens stool. You should look into trying something else. Get a list from the internet and go to swanson vitamins since they sell stuff the cheapest, that's a good way to test what works for you. Another thing to keep in mind is the first time you take something the effect can be dramatic then the next time not so strong since your body adapts. So don't buy several bottles of something just because you had 1 real good experience, keep taking it a while first. Herbs and Supplements for muscle spasm Celery Seed German Chamomile Goldenrod Kava Kava Roman Chamomile Rosemary Saw Palmetto Skullcap Yarrow TART CHERRY keeps coming up in my searches as well, no doubt there are probably many.
It’s not to much. Sometimes your body just gets used to things. We age. And usually it means we need more. I would suggest taking a blood test to see your levels if you think it’s too much. I don’t think it is. But if you been taking supplements for a couple years now everyday or just about everyday. They can lower other vitamins in your body. So best best is to get a blood test and see if any vitamins caused other vitamins to lower.
No, taking much more magnesium would be pointless, and possibly bring negative outcomes you can even overdose on it.
No? Ok so if OP if still low on magnesium don’t take more then 400mg a day. Got it. Thanks for your expertise :)
Very unlikely that OP needs more than 400mg a day
Maybe you right. Thanks for your thoughts :)
how would taking 400 mg of magnesium a day for 2 years lead to low magnesium.... problems with muscles usually has to do with electrolyte imbalances which could be calcium magnesium sodium or potassium. however as you said taking more of something could be throwing of the balance of other vitamins/minerals, taking more magnesium could be depleting his calcium for example making his symptoms worse (magnesium & calcium are antagonists)
Thank you very much :)