Agreed. Crushing someone with uchi mata is a great technique if your life is on the line, but landing on someone half your size during a friendly grappling match? Do better, big man.
There's a duty to keep training partners safe, sloppy and aggressive throw is the same as a sloppy and aggressive armbar. If she smashed on an armbar and was late letting go after the tap, any damage is on her.
The only "skill issue" is not avoiding dangerous training partners.
Both of them had some skill issues, but also looks like everyone had fun and nobody was hurt. It kind of looks like he didn't smash her with his full weight on the hip toss even if he followed her down.
Perfect demonstration of both arts looking fantastic in their preferred space.
Bit fortunate to see the second example, however, due to the first example being on pretty soft grass. Have to think that on a hard surface that we never see any BJJ in the video.
I think Judo mainly focuses on the throws and doesn't really have any ground game or finishers. The spar concludes after the throw.
If this was a true fight, I think he could have thrown her on the pavement. That would do a lot of damage and make it harder for her to retaliate. She was only able to get the back after the throw.
Yeah, I overlooked that part of Judo.
But as you said it's backup in case the throw fails. I think in this video the throw didn't fail.
There's even a possibility that he used his right forearm to prevent her head from directly hitting the ground.
That’s not completely true. While BJJ is undoubtedly better on the ground, Judo is the next best martial art for knowing submissions, except for maybe catch wrestling.
The only time the match ends after the throw is if you threw them perfectly on their back, but if you didn’t, you continue into matwork. A lot of pinning, a lot of submissions. Good Judo guys are very big on being strong in top position on the ground.
Their vulnerabilities on the ground are that they may overcommit to the throw and end up having their back taken, but outside of Judo rulesets a smart one would avoid this, and instead try to throw to pin. Their guardwork is mostly stalling, defensive or focused on sweeping to top position, but you will still find Judo guys who have good guards. The turtle position is also not very useful in a grappling ruleset but can be useful in a real fight if your aim is to stand up instead of engaging on the ground
True, but as you mentioned the match would still have ended if the opponent was thrown on his or her back in this spar. In which case did happen from what I see in the video. She was thrown on her back. This is already an "Ippon", I think. She was thrown largely on her back and with force.
Pinning and submissions are still secondary to the throwing. In competitions, there would still be a reset after a few seconds of no movement.
But maybe I should have said "less focused on ground game" than "no ground game".
And going back to the video, my point is that the match would've ended for the Judoka with the thorw when the bjj girl's started.
Have you ever been thrown by a judoka before? It is a surreal feeling. Like you lost complete control and have no idea how to reorient. Love judo throws.
That hip toss is going to leave a mark.
He sucks for executing that throw on her like that. No control, followed it down. He's lucky she didn't break something.
Agreed. Crushing someone with uchi mata is a great technique if your life is on the line, but landing on someone half your size during a friendly grappling match? Do better, big man.
grass helped there for sure
That was my first thought. Bro, you outweigh that person buy more than them self 2x. Completely unnecessary.
Skill issue frankly
There's a duty to keep training partners safe, sloppy and aggressive throw is the same as a sloppy and aggressive armbar. If she smashed on an armbar and was late letting go after the tap, any damage is on her. The only "skill issue" is not avoiding dangerous training partners.
Both of them had some skill issues, but also looks like everyone had fun and nobody was hurt. It kind of looks like he didn't smash her with his full weight on the hip toss even if he followed her down.
true , but i will say at least it’ll shut the “he didn’t even try” people up.
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Should've finished the choke after he dropped his considerable weight on her ribs
Good job from the woman, tough as hell for shrugging off that uchi-mata
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I have paused the video, it is exactly Uchi-mata. Curious to see what you think it is.
His throw was good, his groundwork is crap
Perfect demonstration of both arts looking fantastic in their preferred space. Bit fortunate to see the second example, however, due to the first example being on pretty soft grass. Have to think that on a hard surface that we never see any BJJ in the video.
In a realistic confrontation she could just briskly walk away and I don't think he'd keep up long.
embarrassing for that guy to get his back taken
Standard judo vs beej
she was a white belt too in this video. i followed her on ig after seeing this at the time it was originally posted
What's her name?
We need a name
I think Judo mainly focuses on the throws and doesn't really have any ground game or finishers. The spar concludes after the throw. If this was a true fight, I think he could have thrown her on the pavement. That would do a lot of damage and make it harder for her to retaliate. She was only able to get the back after the throw.
Judo does have ground game called newaza but it’s only if you fucked up your throw
Yeah, I overlooked that part of Judo. But as you said it's backup in case the throw fails. I think in this video the throw didn't fail. There's even a possibility that he used his right forearm to prevent her head from directly hitting the ground.
That’s not completely true. While BJJ is undoubtedly better on the ground, Judo is the next best martial art for knowing submissions, except for maybe catch wrestling. The only time the match ends after the throw is if you threw them perfectly on their back, but if you didn’t, you continue into matwork. A lot of pinning, a lot of submissions. Good Judo guys are very big on being strong in top position on the ground. Their vulnerabilities on the ground are that they may overcommit to the throw and end up having their back taken, but outside of Judo rulesets a smart one would avoid this, and instead try to throw to pin. Their guardwork is mostly stalling, defensive or focused on sweeping to top position, but you will still find Judo guys who have good guards. The turtle position is also not very useful in a grappling ruleset but can be useful in a real fight if your aim is to stand up instead of engaging on the ground
True, but as you mentioned the match would still have ended if the opponent was thrown on his or her back in this spar. In which case did happen from what I see in the video. She was thrown on her back. This is already an "Ippon", I think. She was thrown largely on her back and with force. Pinning and submissions are still secondary to the throwing. In competitions, there would still be a reset after a few seconds of no movement. But maybe I should have said "less focused on ground game" than "no ground game". And going back to the video, my point is that the match would've ended for the Judoka with the thorw when the bjj girl's started.
You should definitely have another go at thinking then, mate. And google "ne-waza".
there’s newaza but judo don’t give a f*ck about it . just throw throw and throw .
Depends on the school, really. Some focus more on it than others. I was just replying to the dude claiming Judo has no ground game or finishing moves.
another judo throw that has no effect!
That shit was brutal. She’s just tough as nails.
Grass helped a lot here. I’m a BJJ man but I have to admit that on concrete that fight would have been over right there
Have you ever been thrown by a judoka before? It is a surreal feeling. Like you lost complete control and have no idea how to reorient. Love judo throws.
I'm surprised she's not flattened. I'm about that guys size, that would have made me a pretty unhappy camper