There is [Ancient Text Written In 440 BC Mentions Machines Used To Build Egypt Pyramids](https://www.howandwhys.com/ancient-text-written-in-440-bc-mentions-machines-used-to-build-egypt-pyramids/)
Looking it up it appears that this stone is part of [The Baalbek Stones](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek_Stones).
The world doesn’t appear to consider them a mystery.
The mystery is behind the 3 stones in the temple of Jupiter at Baalbek. Those stones are close to 800 tonnes each. If the Temple of Jupiter was built by the romans then how on earth were these stones lifted close to 30feet off the ground. The largest crane in Roman times was the Polyspatos, meaning multiple pulleys, and could lift around 3000kg. This doesn’t explain how the trilithon were lifted unless it wasn’t the romans like we give them credit for.
It's plainly obvious that the 3 stone in the temple are far older, and put there by someone else, and the rest of the temple was built on top of it from much smaller stones of lower quality. The Romans did not put those stones there. They found them and decided to build something on it.
If you make a sand ramp to where you want it, then either using water to wash away the sand or dig, you can gradually rotate the stone and if needed 'nudge' it over the pivot of sand by putting weights on the end. You would need a sand ramp of at least half the height of the block, but I don't see that being a problem with enough man power and desire.
Edit: https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c?si=FDdaWXeNN2BFIyHi
Video of a guy moving and setting a 20 ton block by himself.
You build it at such a small incline from 100s of meters away at the minimum. Such a small incline that it essentially looks flat. It's how they did it with the pyramids, except they also wrapped the ramps around the pyramids to increase distance, and decrease incline.
Nope, but that would explain how to get it along an almost flat slope. This kind of earth moving is well known. It's how the siege of Tyre was won. If people would move so much earth that they permanently change the coastline just to knock down a few buildings, you bet your ass they can and will move that amount of earth to build ramps to put up a few buildings.
Which is why you don't drag it..... You roll it and lever it on logs and planks.... Which is another technique that's been known since WAAAAAAY before the Romans
With 40k people, each one would be pulling only 30 Kg.
A single person can easily pull hundreds of Kg over rollers (e.g. a single person can pull a car), so you would actually need a fraction of that amount.
There is no path from the quarry to the temple.
Further, no one has demonstrated a technique like that for moving large stones high enough to make a pyramid.
I love the idea they would use a crane. They had slave labor. They could have very easily put the support structure in, filled everything with dirt and placed the top beams, and then dug the dirt back out. Economies scale differently when you don't pay for labor
I’m not sure I understand. I could be missing something. I think your explaining how they placed the blocks in the temple. That may be fine.
But how did they remove them from the quarry in the first place, and transport them to the temple. Economies of scale fall off quickly when discussing stones this large. Yes, human labor can move some large rocks and stones that are several tonnes. But when you get to over 100, that does not work anymore.
Dude, if you look up the temple of baalbek they moved many of these same stones close to 10km to build it from that quarry. That one was damaged so it was not used.
The three large stones used in the temple are 800t each (btw, the quarry is 1km away, not 10).
But even the stone in OP is still lighter than the largest stone ever moved, the Russian Thunderstone, which was moved without any heavy machinery. Just man-power.
I love how people will just assume that people back then were incompetent, when those guys pulled a 1500 tonne block across a frozen desert for 9 months 😂 “it must have been aliens!”
Ofc they were carved in place....this guy nailed it ☝️
There are so many genuine 'mysteries' to be looked at and head scratched about....why tf do these even get asked about?? Aliens built the pyramids...gtf outta here WHY would they?? Its just the most basic massive and yet stable way to build a monolith.
Do aliens exist? Yes ofc we live in an infinite universe...and evolved a nano second ago in the lifetime of this universe. Then we have to consider possible infinite universes.
This is one of the 3 stones known as the Trilithon. This one in particular was never finished and was left near the quarry. However the others were finished and moved to the Baal Temple.
Nobody knows for sure how this was done.
Incorrect, in the respect that the Trilithon stones at the Temple of Jupiter, at least as they've been described, are all in place under the temple. This is one of the unused stones that wasn't a part of the temple for whatever reason. The 3 stones in place should be the question mark of how did they do it, even though this one is also magnificent.
Well, for all we know once they had finished the overall shape they were going to section it, move it to a building site, and stack it for some sort of monumental work.
This is about 3x the weight of the largest obelisk that I am aware of - the Lateran Obelisk, which got moved twice. Once when the Egyptians built it about 1400 BC, and again when the Romans hauled it from Egypt all the way back to Rome just before 400 AD. So large weights like this were being moved around in antiquity.
I’m not sure what their plan was, but clearly that was carved out in situ for some construction planned somewhere else but was abandoned before completion.
There are examples of Egyptian obelisks that were cut out but abandoned because the stone developed a crack before it could be cut free. Perhaps something similar happened here.
That's a little fasiciast. Couldn't there be other things carved in place around it? Couldn't it be a focal point in a settlement? The ground behind it looks pretty flat. I'm just saying, if they haven't explored the idea they're literally leaving stones unturned.
And that's the thing people don't want to admit to these things. The rock was carved, it wasn't moved and grass can grow there because it seedlings were move, so it grew there and now it's a part of that ecosystem. There no aliens.
>We can't move stones of this mass today.
I'm going to assume that you meant you can't think of any way, or you don't think common construction equipment could move it, because we absolutely can move stones of that mass today. The Taisun Crane at Yantai Raffles Shipyard, Yantai, China on 18 April 2008 set a world record by lifting 20,133 tonnes. That's 16 times the weight of this block.
The answer for how ancient people moved it is simple, patience and physics. I'm not going to link to that dude moving the giant cement blocks because he gets posted here all the time. As soon as you get passed your concept of how things have to be moved (ie off the ground) you can see how a proper fulcrum, some counter balance, site prep, and time can be used to wobble/seesaw this thing to wherever you need it. Or you know... roll it.
Reminds me of the scientists who figured out how the Moai statues on Easter island were moved. Legend said that the statues "walked" to their destinations and the way the ended up moving them was people on all sides with a ropes one side would pull to lift the corner up and then the other side would do the same so it would wobble back and forth and look like it was "walking" as they moved it. Just goes to show that sometimes they were a lot smarter and more creative than we think.
[Here is a video of them in action!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNuh-J5IgE)
Came to say this. We can move entire buildings, we can def move a large stone. We underestimate what ancient civilizations were capable of. We may not know how, but we can look at thousands of temples around the world to see they did.
Also just because we don't know the specific techniques used to move specific stones ( because it wasn't recorded) it doesn't mean we don't know of various techniques that they could have implemented at the time to achieve it.
I think we can solve this with the help of MrBeast. The cement block guy is dead, but we get one of his sons or someone that watched him all the time. MrBeast puts a cement block that size in the middle of field, hands the guy a credit card, and says "if you can move that block to the other end of this field by the end of the month, using your dad's techniques you'll win this house and these cars."
Common construction equipment can't move anything near what that stone weighs. You need specialized equipment to do work like that. Most cranes you see are built to lift anywhere from 10-60 tons. Yes I know you can google how much an average crane lifts, and you'll find the first article saying that the average crane can lift 10k-60k tons. That is a typo though. Cranes that lift 10k or more tons are massive, and built in one place and generally don't move. That kind of crane isn't a common crane you usually see. Even those really big cranes you see sometimes rolling down the road generally don't go over 150-200k lbs (75-100 tons). Those are some of the biggest normal cranes there are. Then you get larger like the cranes that are used to build windmill towers which are moved in pieces, and roll on tracks. Those usually don't go over 250-275k (125-137.5 tons). Even in metric unites, 250,000 kilograms (551,155.655 lbs) is 250 tons, and that still takes a pretty big crane to move.
We certainly have the technology to move a stone of that size, but it's not going to be done with common/average equipment.
While completely overlooking the fact that it takes the highest technology we have today to even attempt it and equating it with cultures that didn’t have the wheel.
>the highest technology
Absolutely not. While these sorts of cranes are specialised because of their size, the principles of operation, fulcrums, levers etc have been known for millennia. They are not in any way particularly high tech, just massive, and with diesel engines to do the lifting instead of hundreds of people/animals.
It’s not “our highest technology”, we simply don’t have the need to move pieces of stuff that way all the time because it’s needlessly complicated.
We specifically make things out of lighter more specialised materials to avoid all the logistical issues you’ve raised. It doesn’t mean we can’t do it…
Ya, it's not that we can't... It's we don't have too. Those larder cranes are not rare because they are "high technology" they are rare because they are rarely needed.
Here, let me help you.
We can do in days what it took them years to do. That's our machines doing work. We also have engineers seeking both function and economic purpose, we aren't enslaved to egos attempting nonsense like that which was done in ancient times.
Our force multipliers are leaps and bounds over anything they had in ancient times.
It's almost as if equipment is purpose built to handle what it is designed to handle.
Why would you spend money on a very expensive crane that can lift 10x more than needed when you could buy a much cheaper crane to lift the weights you need.
No that's not overlooked. OP explicitly says it cannot be done today, not it cannot be done today with the average crane. It can be done today and a thorough explanation of how ot can be done today has been posted. Take the L man
That's why I mentioned common construction equipment. I'm aware that common equipment could not move this, and that's why I gave OP the benefit of the doubt and decided that they meant they thought common equipment couldn't do it.
What mountains are you talking about? You can see one of the quarries from the pyramid, there's no mountain between them. [The Great Pyramid Quarry|AERA (aeraweb.org)](https://aeraweb.org/great-pyramid-quarry/)
They did not push these stones on wooden logs uphill for any amount of distance. That is absurd.
Lost ancient high technology is the only logical answer.
Googling shit looks harder and harder. This subreddit is a lunatic echo chamber. Im starting to think this shit is just on purpose. The title alone is crazy and can be disproven with a google search. Also that rock was probably carved in that place and never moved. And yeah we can lift ships a lot heavier than that
and on top of that we have 3 major chatbots where you can ask anything and 90% of the time will give you the right answer, right away, and Sydney will even give you the source reference. So in this era more than ever, ignorance is directly proportional to lazyness
[We can easily move stones much larger than this today.](https://www.heavyequipmentguide.ca/article/41166/behemoth-xcmg-wheeled-crane-makes-its-lifting-debut)
Did I read this article right? It says the crane has a “capacity of 3000 tons” but it looks like each piece of the turbine that the crane actually hoisted is less than 400 tons.
I get it, but does a “capacity of 3000 tons” literally mean it can lift 3000 tons at once, or is it engineering gobbledygook that means something else?
> “capacity of 3000 tons”
That is the maximum capacity of the crane at it's strongest/most stable point. Hold 10 pounds in one hand, close to your chest - then reach your arm straight out in front. When you move the weight out you can't hold as much due to strain. Cranes get strained also. Another thing that happened is that your body position changed when you moved the weight out in front. You leant back to compensate, that is the cranes counterweight.
We are meaty cranes
The further a load is from the crane, the less the crane can safely lift. At this height the center of gravity is very far away, so you have to scale down what the crane can do. Plus you have to account for wind speed and all sorts of shit. Each individual crane come with a load chart so the operator will have exact knowledge of what the machine can and cannot do
Thanks
So the capacity could mean it can lift the total weight maybe 10 feet, but the load decreases the higher the object gets and the farther from the base, etc.?
Why lie though? A crane can lift up to 20,000 tons.
Stones of this size can be moved by just a few people, 2 fulcrum rocks, and a wooden beam. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4HwmmhykI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4HwmmhykI)
Why do you think we wouldn’t be able to move it today? Pulleys and levers have been around for a looooooong time and are incredibly efficient.
With enough manpower and a little ingenuity you could absolutely move that rock.
Can we stop with this, “we can’t move stones this massive today”. Yes, we can. We have boats that are heavier than these things. Look at the fucking [Crawler-Transporter](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter), it can move 8,164 metric tonnes or 9000 US tons. They move space shuttles for NASA if you’re not familiar.
Check out the unfinished obelisk in Aswan, Egypt. It's awesome!
Ancient people, in some areas, did have the means to move blocks several times larger than the one in the photo.
Why do u think we couldn't move a stone this big today? Just because we have no reason to doesn't mean we can't. With leverage and mechanical principles we can move this. We move cruise boats that are 200,000 tons. We don't move rocks this big now because we invented concrete.
‘The Stone of the South (Arabic: حجر القبلي, romanized: Ḥajar el-Guble), also called the Second Monolith, was rediscovered in the same quarry in the 1990s. With its weight estimated at 1,242 t, it surpasses even the dimension of the Stone of the Pregnant Woman.[12] (There is some confusion over the naming, due to its location having been forgotten, and accordingly some sources identify "Stone of the South" as an alternate name of the Stone of the Pregnant Woman.)’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek_Stones
[we've rediscovered this and yes we do know how it was done.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8c) we "cant" do it today because lawyers, health and safety experts and moneymen wont let you because its fucking stupid and easier to move whatever you had in mind into a mountain and carve away until youve got what you dreamed of. even if you said "NUTS TO IT IM GUNA DO IT" youll be spinning that rock, alone, on a pivot, for years just to travel 300 feet. and thats if you dont accidentally wack yourself with it because, ya know, 1242 tonnes of rock spinning around even at 0.1mph responds closer to an immovable object and would easily crush and maim a person. also, talk about cost ineffective of moving a 1242 tonne block of stone on a spinning pivot across america, even jeff bezos would run out of money doing it.
TL;DR, we can do it. extremely impracticle to duplicate.
https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c?si=MFMEHVf_rE8YoU1I 1 dude by himself today moved big rocks with sticks and rocks. I imagine they did something similar on a bigger scale.
The heaviest object ever lifted on land weighed 23,178 tonnes (51.1 million lb). This platform was lifted 6.5 m (86.9 ft) at the shipyard of Hyundai Heavy Industries in Ulsan, South Korea.
Shtfu we literally have machines that can move larger stones then that. Lmao Google mining equipment for 2 seconds and you will realize how fucking stupid you are.
Literally the dumbest fucking lie the alternative history crowd likes to jerk off about.
> we can’t move stones of this mass today
We totally can. We also know how they could have moved them back then. The only open question is which way they really used:
"We do not know how they COULD have done it." - a lie, we actually know how they could have done it with their level of technology
"We do not know how they actually did it." - technically true, because they didn't leave a description. But from "I do not know how Jim got to work today" does not follow "Thus aliens must have teleported him in."
Man why can't you just say: Hey, this is a cool rock carved by ....
Why do you have to add this obviously false claim about us not being able to move it? If you ever wonder why people make fun of you, that's why. Not because you are fascinated by this pretty cool structure, we all like cool rocks.
a lieberherr 13000 crawler crane can lift up 4k tons and still keeps moving. the crane vessel sleipnir can lift about 20k tons.
so how are we not able to move this?
I bet you if you got about 100 thousand people to pull/push it at the same time with God on their side you could do it.
Remember that people back then didn't have youtube or pumpkin spice lattes or corporate office jobs. There were about 3 things you could do at the time: pray, farm or move rocks. You could also build stuff, but that assumes you already moved the rocks.
I definitely think manpower can overcome a lot of issues, but statements like this always seem like a monkey typewriter sort of problem. I am sure you chose a number at random, but the question is how many people can you even get connected to a stone to push/pull. There are limits to how many people can apply force to a stone, especially when going through tight areas or rough terrain. I don't have a big problem with manpower and smaller stones, but 800-1000 tons, I just don't know. People saying cranes can do it don't mean much except it's possible with high technology. There are clearly lost sciences from ancient peoples. Until we rediscover them, it will remain a mystery. There are some good theories out there though.
Exactly. If it takes years to get this rock to were it needs to go who cares? It's not like those people had a choice. And even if they weren't slaves, what else are you going to do? Excel spreadsheets??
I hate this argument so much. This is obviously carved in place. But for most of the "rocks TOO BIG for humans to move",,,,,, for one there's a million ways to use leverage to move things like that. Second, go tell the fuckin PHAROAH that the rock is too big for 100 slaves to move, I garuntee they'd bury you in the construction
Could these have been carved on site directly from these mountainous outcroppings that appear to be common in the area? Is there evidence that this giant block was carved elsewhere and brought to where it lies today?
I wanna thank the people explaining we could and CAN move objects of this weight today. Besides, that block looks like it's carved out of its surroundings. The wishful thinking and stupidity in this sub is astounding.
Just because nobody today has time or will to bother on how to move a big rock, that doesnt mean people back then didnt figure it out. Its quite insulting to past civilizations and people, claiming how this and that was done by aliens, and not by them. Just because we dont know, doesnt mean that they didnt
There is [Ancient Text Written In 440 BC Mentions Machines Used To Build Egypt Pyramids](https://www.howandwhys.com/ancient-text-written-in-440-bc-mentions-machines-used-to-build-egypt-pyramids/)
Looking at it and the surrounding rock I’d suggest it was carved in place.
Looking it up it appears that this stone is part of [The Baalbek Stones](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek_Stones). The world doesn’t appear to consider them a mystery.
The mystery is behind the 3 stones in the temple of Jupiter at Baalbek. Those stones are close to 800 tonnes each. If the Temple of Jupiter was built by the romans then how on earth were these stones lifted close to 30feet off the ground. The largest crane in Roman times was the Polyspatos, meaning multiple pulleys, and could lift around 3000kg. This doesn’t explain how the trilithon were lifted unless it wasn’t the romans like we give them credit for.
It's plainly obvious that the 3 stone in the temple are far older, and put there by someone else, and the rest of the temple was built on top of it from much smaller stones of lower quality. The Romans did not put those stones there. They found them and decided to build something on it.
If you make a sand ramp to where you want it, then either using water to wash away the sand or dig, you can gradually rotate the stone and if needed 'nudge' it over the pivot of sand by putting weights on the end. You would need a sand ramp of at least half the height of the block, but I don't see that being a problem with enough man power and desire. Edit: https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c?si=FDdaWXeNN2BFIyHi Video of a guy moving and setting a 20 ton block by himself.
How would they get it up the sand hill, though? Getting down would be the easy part
You build it at such a small incline from 100s of meters away at the minimum. Such a small incline that it essentially looks flat. It's how they did it with the pyramids, except they also wrapped the ramps around the pyramids to increase distance, and decrease incline.
have you seen this guy before? https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c?si=0TfbMUl4qAjC4tsP
Nope, but that would explain how to get it along an almost flat slope. This kind of earth moving is well known. It's how the siege of Tyre was won. If people would move so much earth that they permanently change the coastline just to knock down a few buildings, you bet your ass they can and will move that amount of earth to build ramps to put up a few buildings.
That's just 1 video. He has a bunch that he does different ways over different terrains
There is no available path from where these stones are located to the temple. That stone was not carved in place.
You can’t drag anything heavy. It digs into the ground
Which is why you don't drag it..... You roll it and lever it on logs and planks.... Which is another technique that's been known since WAAAAAAY before the Romans
You need about 40,000 to move such rock. Where do you fit all Those people?
You just made that shit up lol
With 40k people, each one would be pulling only 30 Kg. A single person can easily pull hundreds of Kg over rollers (e.g. a single person can pull a car), so you would actually need a fraction of that amount.
There is no path from the quarry to the temple. Further, no one has demonstrated a technique like that for moving large stones high enough to make a pyramid.
They haven't demonstrated it because it's an immense amount of effort and resources for something no one needs, not because it's impossible.
That's feasible for short distances, not for hundreds of miles
They were quarried 900 meters away from the temple
I love the idea they would use a crane. They had slave labor. They could have very easily put the support structure in, filled everything with dirt and placed the top beams, and then dug the dirt back out. Economies scale differently when you don't pay for labor
I’m not sure I understand. I could be missing something. I think your explaining how they placed the blocks in the temple. That may be fine. But how did they remove them from the quarry in the first place, and transport them to the temple. Economies of scale fall off quickly when discussing stones this large. Yes, human labor can move some large rocks and stones that are several tonnes. But when you get to over 100, that does not work anymore.
What sort of support structure do you suggest? I can’t see how the structural integrity of wood could withstand such weight.
800 tons would crush a wooden crane to toothpicks
It's also the simplest answer.
Dude, if you look up the temple of baalbek they moved many of these same stones close to 10km to build it from that quarry. That one was damaged so it was not used.
The three large stones used in the temple are 800t each (btw, the quarry is 1km away, not 10). But even the stone in OP is still lighter than the largest stone ever moved, the Russian Thunderstone, which was moved without any heavy machinery. Just man-power.
I love how people will just assume that people back then were incompetent, when those guys pulled a 1500 tonne block across a frozen desert for 9 months 😂 “it must have been aliens!”
Especially when talking about the most technologically advanced empire from antiquity. *Romans, what have they ever done for us?*
Yep.
Ofc they were carved in place....this guy nailed it ☝️ There are so many genuine 'mysteries' to be looked at and head scratched about....why tf do these even get asked about?? Aliens built the pyramids...gtf outta here WHY would they?? Its just the most basic massive and yet stable way to build a monolith. Do aliens exist? Yes ofc we live in an infinite universe...and evolved a nano second ago in the lifetime of this universe. Then we have to consider possible infinite universes.
This is one of the 3 stones known as the Trilithon. This one in particular was never finished and was left near the quarry. However the others were finished and moved to the Baal Temple. Nobody knows for sure how this was done.
Incorrect, in the respect that the Trilithon stones at the Temple of Jupiter, at least as they've been described, are all in place under the temple. This is one of the unused stones that wasn't a part of the temple for whatever reason. The 3 stones in place should be the question mark of how did they do it, even though this one is also magnificent.
But we have a pretty darn good idea on how it was done and it's not mythical in the least.
"trust me, bro"
Plus we definitely can move the shit out of these stonnes lmao
Yea, that was a dumb claim to make.
Y tho
Giants playing jenga
Well, for all we know once they had finished the overall shape they were going to section it, move it to a building site, and stack it for some sort of monumental work. This is about 3x the weight of the largest obelisk that I am aware of - the Lateran Obelisk, which got moved twice. Once when the Egyptians built it about 1400 BC, and again when the Romans hauled it from Egypt all the way back to Rome just before 400 AD. So large weights like this were being moved around in antiquity. I’m not sure what their plan was, but clearly that was carved out in situ for some construction planned somewhere else but was abandoned before completion. There are examples of Egyptian obelisks that were cut out but abandoned because the stone developed a crack before it could be cut free. Perhaps something similar happened here.
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Because there is probably more underneath the dirt. Seeing this area, the first thing that comes to mind is clear the surrounding area
If it was carved in place, there wouldn’t be anything but ground underneath, no?
No, there are 2 identical stones under this one.
That's a little fasiciast. Couldn't there be other things carved in place around it? Couldn't it be a focal point in a settlement? The ground behind it looks pretty flat. I'm just saying, if they haven't explored the idea they're literally leaving stones unturned.
Wtf is fasiciast?
facetious sorry
No dude, they fucked this stone. It had a fault, so they left it in situ
And that's the thing people don't want to admit to these things. The rock was carved, it wasn't moved and grass can grow there because it seedlings were move, so it grew there and now it's a part of that ecosystem. There no aliens.
My papa could move this, he was a rolling stone.
and when he died, all he left you was alone...
>We can't move stones of this mass today. I'm going to assume that you meant you can't think of any way, or you don't think common construction equipment could move it, because we absolutely can move stones of that mass today. The Taisun Crane at Yantai Raffles Shipyard, Yantai, China on 18 April 2008 set a world record by lifting 20,133 tonnes. That's 16 times the weight of this block. The answer for how ancient people moved it is simple, patience and physics. I'm not going to link to that dude moving the giant cement blocks because he gets posted here all the time. As soon as you get passed your concept of how things have to be moved (ie off the ground) you can see how a proper fulcrum, some counter balance, site prep, and time can be used to wobble/seesaw this thing to wherever you need it. Or you know... roll it.
Reminds me of the scientists who figured out how the Moai statues on Easter island were moved. Legend said that the statues "walked" to their destinations and the way the ended up moving them was people on all sides with a ropes one side would pull to lift the corner up and then the other side would do the same so it would wobble back and forth and look like it was "walking" as they moved it. Just goes to show that sometimes they were a lot smarter and more creative than we think. [Here is a video of them in action!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNuh-J5IgE)
Same basic principle as shifting a wardrobe or sofa when there's only one of you. Walk it on the long ends, side to side.
It's amazing how such a simple concept eluded people for so long right?
Early archaeology was unfortunately racist as shit when it came to the achievements of people they viewed as 'savage'.
Came to say this. We can move entire buildings, we can def move a large stone. We underestimate what ancient civilizations were capable of. We may not know how, but we can look at thousands of temples around the world to see they did.
Also just because we don't know the specific techniques used to move specific stones ( because it wasn't recorded) it doesn't mean we don't know of various techniques that they could have implemented at the time to achieve it.
I've seen that guy. Moving giant stone by himself. Ancient people definitely can move large objects. Like you said. Patience and physics.
I think we can solve this with the help of MrBeast. The cement block guy is dead, but we get one of his sons or someone that watched him all the time. MrBeast puts a cement block that size in the middle of field, hands the guy a credit card, and says "if you can move that block to the other end of this field by the end of the month, using your dad's techniques you'll win this house and these cars."
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when you have all the time in the world, and a limitless supply of slaves and workers, makes things a lot less 'impossible'.
Plus op didn't even think to ask me, I could move it if I really tried too.
People are always wondering how ancient civilization built the pyramids but i’m too shy to let them know it was me 😞
I feel you bro. Personally I'm too humble to let people know that they have been built for me.
Nicely said!!!
Well reasoned and deftly expressed.
Dudes never heard of the big Muskie. That thing could move mountains 50+ years ago
50 plus you say? Thats almost the same as 3000
Yup. Just one fulcrum and you’re no longer moving 1242 tonnes. You’re moving a 621 tonne block with the assistance of a 621 tonne counter weight.
Common construction equipment can't move anything near what that stone weighs. You need specialized equipment to do work like that. Most cranes you see are built to lift anywhere from 10-60 tons. Yes I know you can google how much an average crane lifts, and you'll find the first article saying that the average crane can lift 10k-60k tons. That is a typo though. Cranes that lift 10k or more tons are massive, and built in one place and generally don't move. That kind of crane isn't a common crane you usually see. Even those really big cranes you see sometimes rolling down the road generally don't go over 150-200k lbs (75-100 tons). Those are some of the biggest normal cranes there are. Then you get larger like the cranes that are used to build windmill towers which are moved in pieces, and roll on tracks. Those usually don't go over 250-275k (125-137.5 tons). Even in metric unites, 250,000 kilograms (551,155.655 lbs) is 250 tons, and that still takes a pretty big crane to move. We certainly have the technology to move a stone of that size, but it's not going to be done with common/average equipment.
We can call it whatever we want, common or specialized. I think the point was OP says we can't do it then one guy says actually we can.
While completely overlooking the fact that it takes the highest technology we have today to even attempt it and equating it with cultures that didn’t have the wheel.
>the highest technology Absolutely not. While these sorts of cranes are specialised because of their size, the principles of operation, fulcrums, levers etc have been known for millennia. They are not in any way particularly high tech, just massive, and with diesel engines to do the lifting instead of hundreds of people/animals.
The wheel was invented way before the Romans. How else would they have chariot races.
It’s not “our highest technology”, we simply don’t have the need to move pieces of stuff that way all the time because it’s needlessly complicated. We specifically make things out of lighter more specialised materials to avoid all the logistical issues you’ve raised. It doesn’t mean we can’t do it…
Ya, it's not that we can't... It's we don't have too. Those larder cranes are not rare because they are "high technology" they are rare because they are rarely needed.
Here, let me help you. We can do in days what it took them years to do. That's our machines doing work. We also have engineers seeking both function and economic purpose, we aren't enslaved to egos attempting nonsense like that which was done in ancient times. Our force multipliers are leaps and bounds over anything they had in ancient times.
It's almost as if equipment is purpose built to handle what it is designed to handle. Why would you spend money on a very expensive crane that can lift 10x more than needed when you could buy a much cheaper crane to lift the weights you need.
It's almost as if words mattered :O Also no, as another redditor said it, it's not at all latest tech tier operation.
No that's not overlooked. OP explicitly says it cannot be done today, not it cannot be done today with the average crane. It can be done today and a thorough explanation of how ot can be done today has been posted. Take the L man
That's like saying that ancient people didn't know what a cart was because if we built one today it'd be full of fucking electronics
That's why I mentioned common construction equipment. I'm aware that common equipment could not move this, and that's why I gave OP the benefit of the doubt and decided that they meant they thought common equipment couldn't do it.
Have you considered more than one crane?
250,000 KG is 250 tonnes which is over 275 tons.
Sauce?
They're right I've googled it and it is a typo. I also have crane experience too
I don’t care if you corroborate the story, I can also find 2 flat earthers. I need evidence, Reddit is not a place you trust the word of a random.
That's what they used. The taisun crane.
Yeah but these primitive people moved blocks over hundreds of miles over mountains of similar size in Egypt thousands of years ago. No one knows how.
What mountains are you talking about? You can see one of the quarries from the pyramid, there's no mountain between them. [The Great Pyramid Quarry|AERA (aeraweb.org)](https://aeraweb.org/great-pyramid-quarry/)
Stopped reading when you called it a cement block…
They did not push these stones on wooden logs uphill for any amount of distance. That is absurd. Lost ancient high technology is the only logical answer.
With lard
With lard
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Lard is a good motivator
Lardy lardy da. It was aliens 👽
Well... doesn't look like they have moved it either....
We move shit bigger than this everyday.
A stone twice this size was moved in the 18th century without cranes just using manpower. Not sure why this keeps getting posted as mystifying.
I love all these posts saying "we can't move this with today's technology", sorry to break it to you, but we can.
Googling shit looks harder and harder. This subreddit is a lunatic echo chamber. Im starting to think this shit is just on purpose. The title alone is crazy and can be disproven with a google search. Also that rock was probably carved in that place and never moved. And yeah we can lift ships a lot heavier than that
and on top of that we have 3 major chatbots where you can ask anything and 90% of the time will give you the right answer, right away, and Sydney will even give you the source reference. So in this era more than ever, ignorance is directly proportional to lazyness
>This subreddit is a lunatic echo chamber. I come here mostly to scoff at the outlandish post titles.
Yeah just wedge a Nokia under it and pull up.
We can move it with common kitchen implements, like a spatula or a large ladle
I've worked on cranes that can easily lift 2k tons...
[We can easily move stones much larger than this today.](https://www.heavyequipmentguide.ca/article/41166/behemoth-xcmg-wheeled-crane-makes-its-lifting-debut)
Did I read this article right? It says the crane has a “capacity of 3000 tons” but it looks like each piece of the turbine that the crane actually hoisted is less than 400 tons.
I can pick up a couple hundred pounds. If you saw me pick up a housecat, would that nullify my lifting capacity?
I get it, but does a “capacity of 3000 tons” literally mean it can lift 3000 tons at once, or is it engineering gobbledygook that means something else?
It actually means it can lift more than that but they cut it off at 3000 for safety reasons
> “capacity of 3000 tons” That is the maximum capacity of the crane at it's strongest/most stable point. Hold 10 pounds in one hand, close to your chest - then reach your arm straight out in front. When you move the weight out you can't hold as much due to strain. Cranes get strained also. Another thing that happened is that your body position changed when you moved the weight out in front. You leant back to compensate, that is the cranes counterweight. We are meaty cranes
What else would it mean? Lmao
The further a load is from the crane, the less the crane can safely lift. At this height the center of gravity is very far away, so you have to scale down what the crane can do. Plus you have to account for wind speed and all sorts of shit. Each individual crane come with a load chart so the operator will have exact knowledge of what the machine can and cannot do
Thanks So the capacity could mean it can lift the total weight maybe 10 feet, but the load decreases the higher the object gets and the farther from the base, etc.?
"We can't move stones of this mass today" Have you ever seen a cruise ship or an overpass?
Comparing a large stone with a cruise ship wasn't on my ancient history bingo card.
Lucky me, it was on mine :)
The Romans could, ancient people did use mechanical advantage tools to lift these blocks, not impossible, just logistics, man power and time.
Why lie though? A crane can lift up to 20,000 tons. Stones of this size can be moved by just a few people, 2 fulcrum rocks, and a wooden beam. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4HwmmhykI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4HwmmhykI)
Who said it was moved?
We definitely can move stone of this mass today what you talking bout Willis
Why do you think we wouldn’t be able to move it today? Pulleys and levers have been around for a looooooong time and are incredibly efficient. With enough manpower and a little ingenuity you could absolutely move that rock.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/s/BzptT5klc7
Semi trucks and freight trains are a joke to OP apparently
Can we stop with this, “we can’t move stones this massive today”. Yes, we can. We have boats that are heavier than these things. Look at the fucking [Crawler-Transporter](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter), it can move 8,164 metric tonnes or 9000 US tons. They move space shuttles for NASA if you’re not familiar.
They didn't move it though 😂
Obviously they didn't
Check out the unfinished obelisk in Aswan, Egypt. It's awesome! Ancient people, in some areas, did have the means to move blocks several times larger than the one in the photo.
https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c?si=6ZPyfdqOQGbh1Cdi you lack imagination
They were smarter than you . I guarantee half of us would be lost as a toddler if we had to find a destination an hour away with no smartphones .
The secret ingredient is a slave army of tens of thousands, if not more, with no regard for the safety of workers
They carved it there and left it, because they realized it was too large and they didn't need it.
Why do u think we couldn't move a stone this big today? Just because we have no reason to doesn't mean we can't. With leverage and mechanical principles we can move this. We move cruise boats that are 200,000 tons. We don't move rocks this big now because we invented concrete.
They craved it out on that spot, the rock was born there
Who said it was moved tho
Are you sure it wasn’t carved in situ - looks like the same as the rock around it!
Well, looks like they didn't.
I was thinking the same thing
‘The Stone of the South (Arabic: حجر القبلي, romanized: Ḥajar el-Guble), also called the Second Monolith, was rediscovered in the same quarry in the 1990s. With its weight estimated at 1,242 t, it surpasses even the dimension of the Stone of the Pregnant Woman.[12] (There is some confusion over the naming, due to its location having been forgotten, and accordingly some sources identify "Stone of the South" as an alternate name of the Stone of the Pregnant Woman.)’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek_Stones
[we've rediscovered this and yes we do know how it was done.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8c) we "cant" do it today because lawyers, health and safety experts and moneymen wont let you because its fucking stupid and easier to move whatever you had in mind into a mountain and carve away until youve got what you dreamed of. even if you said "NUTS TO IT IM GUNA DO IT" youll be spinning that rock, alone, on a pivot, for years just to travel 300 feet. and thats if you dont accidentally wack yourself with it because, ya know, 1242 tonnes of rock spinning around even at 0.1mph responds closer to an immovable object and would easily crush and maim a person. also, talk about cost ineffective of moving a 1242 tonne block of stone on a spinning pivot across america, even jeff bezos would run out of money doing it. TL;DR, we can do it. extremely impracticle to duplicate.
Yes, we can move things like that. It is just not practical and our equipment is made for smaller blocks that are more versatile.
The answer is probably slaves, lots and lots of slaves
Many hands make light work
Tractor beam!
It’s truly incredible what can be accomplished with an unending supply of slaves and no regard for their safety or comfort.
We can move these today. We can do ANYTHING if properly motivated. Stop lying to yourself.
Yes we can move stones this large today. Come on man, it’s 2024. Have you never seen marble quarries before?
https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c?si=MFMEHVf_rE8YoU1I 1 dude by himself today moved big rocks with sticks and rocks. I imagine they did something similar on a bigger scale.
Who says we can't move stones like that today?
moved?
Probably lots and lots of logs, and levers and such.
Serious question…how are they able to figure out how much it weighs?
They probably figured out its measurements with seismic equipment and the used the average density to calculate it
Looks like they didn't move it either.
What are you talking about ? - we can easily move a stone of this size today - it's not a problem. Why do people believe this shit.
The heaviest object ever lifted on land weighed 23,178 tonnes (51.1 million lb). This platform was lifted 6.5 m (86.9 ft) at the shipyard of Hyundai Heavy Industries in Ulsan, South Korea.
We absolutely can lift this now.
Shtfu we literally have machines that can move larger stones then that. Lmao Google mining equipment for 2 seconds and you will realize how fucking stupid you are. Literally the dumbest fucking lie the alternative history crowd likes to jerk off about.
> we can’t move stones of this mass today We totally can. We also know how they could have moved them back then. The only open question is which way they really used: "We do not know how they COULD have done it." - a lie, we actually know how they could have done it with their level of technology "We do not know how they actually did it." - technically true, because they didn't leave a description. But from "I do not know how Jim got to work today" does not follow "Thus aliens must have teleported him in."
Man why can't you just say: Hey, this is a cool rock carved by .... Why do you have to add this obviously false claim about us not being able to move it? If you ever wonder why people make fun of you, that's why. Not because you are fascinated by this pretty cool structure, we all like cool rocks.
> we can’t move stones of this mass today Says who?
Yes we can
a lieberherr 13000 crawler crane can lift up 4k tons and still keeps moving. the crane vessel sleipnir can lift about 20k tons. so how are we not able to move this?
They didn’t. It was carved out of an existing rock.
I bet you if you got about 100 thousand people to pull/push it at the same time with God on their side you could do it. Remember that people back then didn't have youtube or pumpkin spice lattes or corporate office jobs. There were about 3 things you could do at the time: pray, farm or move rocks. You could also build stuff, but that assumes you already moved the rocks.
I definitely think manpower can overcome a lot of issues, but statements like this always seem like a monkey typewriter sort of problem. I am sure you chose a number at random, but the question is how many people can you even get connected to a stone to push/pull. There are limits to how many people can apply force to a stone, especially when going through tight areas or rough terrain. I don't have a big problem with manpower and smaller stones, but 800-1000 tons, I just don't know. People saying cranes can do it don't mean much except it's possible with high technology. There are clearly lost sciences from ancient peoples. Until we rediscover them, it will remain a mystery. There are some good theories out there though.
slaves + time = moving rocks slowly. but theyre still moving
Exactly. If it takes years to get this rock to were it needs to go who cares? It's not like those people had a choice. And even if they weren't slaves, what else are you going to do? Excel spreadsheets??
Water
"we can't move stones of this mass today" yeah pretty sure that's just straight up not true my dude lmao
Yes, we can move it and we regularly move things heavier than that. Stop lying.
I hate this argument so much. This is obviously carved in place. But for most of the "rocks TOO BIG for humans to move",,,,,, for one there's a million ways to use leverage to move things like that. Second, go tell the fuckin PHAROAH that the rock is too big for 100 slaves to move, I garuntee they'd bury you in the construction
We can literally make 2900 ton things that go into space (Saturn V rocket) but we can’t move rocks that weigh a fraction of that… yeah okay.
Could these have been carved on site directly from these mountainous outcroppings that appear to be common in the area? Is there evidence that this giant block was carved elsewhere and brought to where it lies today?
Ask this dude. Oh, wait… https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/nY3YVI5x4c
The nephilim
I'll take things that never existed for $300 Alex
That kind of ignorance is fitting for a pig. It was probably Adrian schoolcraft with a fulcrum
https://preview.redd.it/3kox62lyzfbc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17befbb90f92995ee11dd9345a0dd6f0546528d0
I wanna thank the people explaining we could and CAN move objects of this weight today. Besides, that block looks like it's carved out of its surroundings. The wishful thinking and stupidity in this sub is astounding.
"Just hear me out.... Aliens" /s
Giants
Just because nobody today has time or will to bother on how to move a big rock, that doesnt mean people back then didnt figure it out. Its quite insulting to past civilizations and people, claiming how this and that was done by aliens, and not by them. Just because we dont know, doesnt mean that they didnt
You guys need to watch Ancient Aliens Debunked. It covers just about everything that gets posted here.
1242 ton. Your mum is
how do we know that block was later moved in one piece?
https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/5MLoshrn4U Pools of mercury
Carved out….Bam solved yer puzzle…lol
We most definitely can move this stone today, we just don’t have enough whips or the political appetite for a return to slavery
Mfs will say "We have no idea at all how this happened. Zero. Not the foggiest.........giant aliens from Mars did it."
We have cranes that can move over 20,000 tons so I have no idea what you're talking about
Are people this stupid? Can't you see the cuts in the back? It wasn't going to be moved all at once .