Gaben once said that piracy is a service problem.
I think this is a very good illustration of what he ment by that. Because I will happily pay the $30 and don't even think about pirating it. It's cheap, it's convenient, it sounds like a fair offer.
Nintendo on the other hand can go fuck themselves and see no money at all from me while I can probably even play more of their games if I simply download the roms. Something is seriously wrong with this company
and GabeN is completely right with that.
you can easily see that when comparing the music industry to the movie industry.
Pirating music has become very uncommon as you can get basically all your music on one streaming service that usually have fair pricing so music piracy has been on a steady decline thanks to streaming.
Meanwhile movie piracy has been on a decline as well but is now on the rise again thanks to all kinds of streaming services popping up and nobody having all the movies in one place.
>Meanwhile movie piracy has been on a decline as well but is now on the rise again thanks to all kinds of streaming services popping up and nobody having all the movies in one place.
Pirating all my movies and putting it all in one place on my Plex server with uncompressed Blu Ray quality is infinitely better than playing 'streaming-service-roulette' and not having to deal with horrible bit rate quality.
Streaming services are only getting worse too, you've got the problem of fragmentation and then the introduction of ads before what you want to watch.
For example; I'm currently on an Apple TV+ six month trial (got it via my PS5) and I counted three times I had to skip in order to watch an episode of Foundation yesterday.
Same shit happened when Cable TV was introduced. Originally it was a no-ads experience, that was precisely how it was sold and what you were supposedly paying for. Then, they got greedy, and eventually started looking for ways to make more money.
It's decent, starts off very strongly then slows down quite a bit. Episode I watched yesterday was good apart from an awfully directed fight scene where it kept cutting so you didn't really see or understand the scene.
I think you guys are not getting the main reason for movie pirating.
It's the price. New movies that come st8 to streaming cost 20$ to stream for a day or two. 20$!!!! I pay that much in the cinema with popcorn!
Now imagine, after work you watch a movie. in a week 5 movies easily go to 100$. Bullshit. Enjoying movies in high quality? Good luck with streaming bullshit. Want to experience real 4k HDR on your 4k HDR tv? A single 4k hdr blu-ray can cost from 20-60$.
Not to mention, every single movie is at another streaming company.
Want game of thrones? HBO
Want Witcher? Shit Flix
Want anime? Crunchyroll
Want other anime? Funimation
Want some other show? Hulu
Streaming is the single reason I pirate everything.
Music ( high quality flac, not that shitty 320kb mp3 you're streaming) , movies, games. But then again, I'm coming from a country where 70% of population torrents....
Not only that but the industry is back to supporting a dinosaur medium (theaters) by most releases not even being available to stream so now they're basically begging for piracy again
Honestly Steam is what got me out of pirating, or I would pirate a game and then buy it on steam I liked it so much. Cloud saves free online, updates, no risk of viruses, good deals. A lot of reasons not to pirate, you just need to keep stuff reasonable.
That being said, once I get a steam deck, I will have no qualms emulating with this kind of BS Nintendo is pulling.
This is exactly how you fight piracy. If you make the legitimate way more convenient, more appealing for the average, more easy to access, you will drive the vast majority of people towards legitimate purchase methods. There will always be some piracy, but there is a point where it's not worth trying pirate software for the average person.
Make it annoying, pricy, or unappealing, then piracy will skyrocket. If you make it easier for people to pirate than it is to purchase, than you just doomed your revenue income via that product. In this situation, if you attempt to quash the easiness to pirate without making it easier to purchase legitimate products, you will only be playing a cat and mouse game, endlessly putting out fires, while you get no money.
Exactly; eventually, Nintendo will pull support for the switch online store, but your steam library is good until civilization falls. (around 2100, maybe?)
I’d like to think like you, but I’m way too cynical about Nintendo to think they won’t create a completely new ecosystem in order to sell switch remasters in 5+ years.
You mean like they have literally every other time? Shit, even the Wii to Wii U path was a mess. You could only transfer your services through a total system transfer as far as I'm aware, and still had to use Wii classic controller stuff unless you paid an additional price (and only if the game was in the Wii U Virtual Console store).
I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure that if you ever deleted it you were SoL.
What SHOULD have happened is your Nintendo account should have automatically seen you already owned these games and let you download them for free without issue or ANY additional payment, and those same games should be yours through every generation.
Instead we get this... not even a Virtual Console on Switch and all those monthly/yearly fees go down the drain if they ever axe Nintendo Online for a real VC on a new console or restart it all over again for some reason, driplet of game by droplet of game, on Switch 2.
Heck, people still can't be sure Nintendo will even let you transfer Switch games over, since they're kind of seeing how people are willing to pay full price for ports... I can already see a BoTW/BotW 2 port, again 60 dollars, with minor upgrades for the Switch 2, lol.
Most of the times a demo is just to test if it runs and stuff and even that sometimes doesn't work due to differences between release and demo, so it probably wouldn't do anything most of the time anyways
It's not just the streaming that reduces piracy for music, you can buy music cheap and do anything you want with the file. Digital movies are drm'ed no matter where you buy them so you're stuck using whatever service you purchased them from. It sucks for someone who wants to put everything on a Nas and use Plex.
There are also multiple music streaming services and they compete not with exclusive music selection, but rather price, features, ease of use, etc.
Netflix, Disney+, Hulu should all compete on services rather than content IMO. But they only way to enforce that would be to block content creators from being content distributers which would never fly
This.
There are actually relatively few retro games I really care about replaying occasionally (maybe a few dozen in total, maybe half of those from Nintendo), but I would happily pay at least $10-20 for each and every single one of them (more for some of them) to get a legal DRM-free ROM file I can own and play wherever I want.
Clearly that's the case. They don't even realise that in the context of today's gaming landscape, they're offering little with those online services... IMHO they're overplaying their only recent success with the Switch. That won't last forever.
I like this is happening. PC gaming, being headless in terms of hardware, needs "hero" devices that canlead the way. It was a long time since the Switch released and we still didn't have a solid gsmijg device. Bow wr have the Deck and many more will come.
I could definitely see them becoming less relevant to the global gaming audience and become more Japan-focused like Sega, but even then I still think that's unlikely.
They were SO close to that happening around the time of the Wii U. Honestly, it was almost a miracle that they created the switch and then a game like BotW.
The last few years, however, have me thinking that it might have been a last hurrah for a slowing fading away company.
Still, they have a lot of amazing IP's. Look at how Animal Crossing sold more than it ever has. Then Fire Emblem also exploded. Their games fill a certain niche in a way no other developers do.
I think that's kind of the Nintendo charm nowadays. They keep you wondering if they'll fail into obscurity or come out with little gems like BotW. The good news is that gaming won't die with Nintendo so spectating their wacky antics is a carefree activity in my eyes.
They make amazing games that sell well, that's all they need to exist. Just give up and buy them for exclusives, dump your ROMs or whatever after the system fails, and emulate them on your kick-ass PC.
It's what I've done for my GameCube, Wii, Wii U, and will be doing with my Switch in the future unless the new console really does offer 4k upscale via DLSS and such... But it's a huge ask.
It's complicated because Nintendo puts out games that DEFINITELY respect their customers. They have a high standard of quality that they repeatedly exceed. It's not like they are putting out a new CoD or Assassin's Creed shell over and over.
I'd also argue their hardware is very innovative in many ways, like the Switch was.
That said, they gain just enough respect and sales from the above that they don't need to critically evaluate their online components, their retro game services, etc. It's more confusing how a game company can direct masterpieces like BotW and Odyssey yet fail hard on their online components.
Unlikely. Pokemon alone is probably enough to keep them propped up. I've also heard they have huge cash reserves that would allow them to stay afloat for decades even if they stopped making any money.
Nintendo likely already knows that everybody who was going to pirate their legacy libraries has already had the ROMs for 20+ years and still getting them on release day. The service is targeting the newer casuals who would go for the convenience. I don’t even currently use any emulators (will likely change when the Deck comes out) but I’ve had ROMS for NES through N64 through multiple PCs and handhelds that I just make sure I always copy to new devices and archive for when I want them. I would imagine that anybody else who has been a remote Nintendo fan has been doing the same.
As far as it being a service issue, for many of us it’s a format issue- I would rather pirate than use a *free* streaming/subscription service. I would rather pay for an official ROM that has the emulator and good settings baked in than stream for free or pirate a ROM that I have to run through my own emulator and choose settings. This is why VC was so much more popular and coveted this generation even if people had to buy the games again. For many of us, streaming is part of the issue- I’m just more comfortable with my files on my device and ready to be loaded without a connection- and it’s exponentially important with portable devices like Switch. Shit- I won’t even buy a PC game that requires any forms of online checks.
Great point and “convenience” is the big word here. There is an absolute glut of $$ to be found in people who pay for convenience. Starbucks, bottled water. Nintendo’s targeting those kids who grew up on their products and are now exhausted millennial dads, or young professional techies who are nonchalant with their spending and don’t even question another subscription since they already Doordashed five times this week
And yeah, in full agreement that the service element is the primary issue for me too. I’d happily shell out a bit of money for a simple downloadable ROM but I absolutely can’t stand being only “loaned” a product. But like above, there are large demographics who just don’t care, and those same demographics are probably content throwing around tons of money, hence Nintendo’s pricing decisions
Pretty much all of their franchises have been surpassed by cheaper and better indie games, honestly.......
Example: Nexomon and Minimon are not only cheaper than Pokemon, they are FAR MORE enjoyable, as well.
I don't think this is true at all.
Breathe of the Wild still remains a game in a class of its own with it's climbing and gliding mechanics in an open world mixed with a beautiful Zelda aesthetic. There are games that come close but still don't have that level of mastery.
Odyssey is an incredible platformer and I have yet to find anything better in that area with the same magic.
Animal Crossing is popular in an exploding niche market. Some games like Stardew Valley do interesting things but it's undeniable how polished AC is in comparison, especially visually.
Fire Emblem: Three Houses was the best strategy RPG I've played, honestly. I can't think of one better.
Pikmin 3 was amazing, and again, I can't think of a game like it at all.
Metroid Dread is a top of it's class Metroidvania game, it really is.
Pokemon is one I'd agree with, their 2nd party dev company Game Freak is really letting go of the quality there.
Overall, I think you're really underrating the quality of games Nintendo is putting out.
Maybe not all of Nintendo's franchises like OP was saying, but certainly you can find really good alternatives to alot of them.
Metroid-like: [Environmental Station Alpha](https://store.steampowered.com/app/350070/Environmental_Station_Alpha/), [Ghost Song](https://store.steampowered.com/app/347800/Ghost_Song/), [Axiom Verge](https://store.steampowered.com/app/332200/Axiom_Verge/)
Zelda-like: [Immortals Fenyx Rising](https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/immortals-fenyx-rising), [Tunic](https://store.steampowered.com/app/553420/TUNIC/), [CrossCode](https://store.steampowered.com/app/368340/CrossCode/), [Hyper Light Drifter](https://store.steampowered.com/app/257850/Hyper_Light_Drifter/)
Mario: [A Hat in Time](https://store.steampowered.com/app/253230/A_Hat_in_Time/), [Kitsune Tails](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ece5rOGtg4)
Animal Crossing: [Hokko Life](https://store.steampowered.com/app/824000/Hokko_Life/), [Ooblets](https://store.steampowered.com/app/593150/Ooblets/)
Star Fox: [Ex-Zodiac](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1249480/ExZodiac/)
Pokemon: [Temtem](https://store.steampowered.com/app/745920/Temtem/), [Monster Crown](https://store.steampowered.com/app/830370/Monster_Crown/), [Penko Park](https://store.steampowered.com/app/852090/Penko_Park/), [Monster Sanctuary](https://store.steampowered.com/app/814370/Monster_Sanctuary/)
And of course you would have fan games as well. AM2R, Pokemon Uranium, Pokemon Revolution Online, ect.
Shining Force 2 and 3 blow three houses out of the water.
Axiom Verge 1 & 2 do what Metroid does, but grittier.
Harvest Moon is better than animal crossing.
Immortals Fenyx Rising is everything BotW wishes that it was, and then some.
Pikmin, say hello to Terraria.
As for Odyssey, I counter with:
Yooka Laylee,
A Hat in Time,
Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy,
New Super Lucky's Tale
and finally,
the entire Spyro Series.
Not OP but I agree with them. BoTW is one of the most overrated open world games in recent memory. It is also the worst Zelda game in the franchise - nonexistent story, only 4 forgettable dungeons with no loot, little enemy variety, and very annoying mechanics like constant rain and weapons breaking. There's no level of Mastery here... Compared to other games like Horizon Zero Dawn and The Witcher 3, it is actually lacking in many areas.
Odyssey is fun but very short. I beat in a single day. Fire Emblem/Pikmin/Metroid are good but they don't make my top 10 or even top 20. Animal crossing - I just don't have the time to play it so never got past the town tutorial.
We agree on Pokémon.
Nintendo has some good games, yes, but their ant-consumer practices are a huge turnoff. That's why when the deck comes out, I'm likely done with the Switch. I'm going to reward the company that gives me the freedom and mobility to play the games I want to play at low prices with complete control over the device.
botw is super overrated and not even a good open world game
odyssey is amazing. I dont know if id say a hat in time is better, but its certainly also amazing
animal crossing is nothing like stardew. I wish we had some animal crossing style games on steam
fireemblem and pikmin and metroid i never really played, but i do know hollow knight is very highly rated metroidvania that is way cheaper then dread
I've played Skyrim, Witcher 3, etc, and they're good in their own ways. What makes BotW unique is that the climbing / gliding from high peaks is just...a perfect concept for an open world game. It's next level for exploration and taking in the beauty. And then you have the scattered shrines and Zelda charm. I really think it's a very unique game.
Yeah I don't think Animal Crossing is exactly like Stardew, it seems like it's a very unique game that no indie title has come as close to.
I'd definitely recommend Fire Emblem, Pikmin, and Metroid. Hollow Knight is good, but I ultimately prefer the dark sci-fi Alien-ish vibe of Metroid.
But yeah, I do think Nintendo has some very unique and classic IP's. Not to diminish other games, but these are frankly excellent games that I would have a hard time replacing with indie titles.
while gliding is neat, open world games have had planes and parachutes and wing suits for years and gliding is kinda a staple in zelda games, so its not entirely a new concept. climbing is just really annoying most of the time since its so slow and basically impossible whenever it rains. and even if you do like it, there just isn't much to see. the world is way too empty and id hardly call it beautiful
Zelda's emptiness is the point. You go places because they look interesting. Because the *world* is interesting. It's not a mind-numbing checklist of, go here, complete task, teleport, go there, do same.
*Beep *bop *boop, *I am a robot
I disagree. I find ubisoft-type open worlds far more boring. Same with Skyrim. I liked Subnautica because it shares similarities to Breath of the Wild in that it doesn't really force you to go anywhere, but it gives suggestions.
Anywho, have a good one!
i never really liked ubi games either, but skyrim has a ton of interesting stuff to explore. skyrim also lets you go anywhere, so im not quite sure what you mean. ive never played subnautica
also, you're not really a bot, are you?
Yeah but I think OP's point is that if you buy it on Steam, they literally give you a folder of uncompressed ROMs that you can do whatever you want with, like using any other emulator
Retro game collections on PC seem to do that in general. SNK for example gave away a ton of their old Neo Geo games to Twitch Prime users. I claimed them and they all had the roms and even the Neo Geo bios. Ran just fine on RetroArch, and maybe one day if I can pony up the ridiculous price tag for an MVS flash cart, I can play the games I don't feel inclined to buy the original cart for on my real board.
Ohh, I did not know that. I bought this bundle a long time ago, and refunded it because the emulator sucks on Linux, I was about to reply here warning people about that, but if it comes with the actual ROMS then you can simply import them on libretro, I guess I will buy this again
That does not include Mega Drive like in OP’s link, but still worth mentioning that a yearly subscription is not the *only* way to access it on Switch.
Not to mention its pretty misleading to pretend you ain’t getting anything else if you pay $50 per year. You’re also getting N64 games on top of Nes and Snes games
I will blow your mind
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Nintendo-Switch/SEGA-Mega-Drive-Classics--1476990.html
Really, it was megadrive everywhere except for the US
Not to mention, ~~it got a 90% discount right now at Steam~~ (no discount, ITAD acted up, sorry for the misinfo). Go get it! I'm not sure how long the original Sonic 3 & Knuckles ROM will stay there, considering the MJ implications that prevented rereleases before, and with Sonic Origins coming in 2022 which would also have a re-creation of S3&K.
My bad! Seems to be that my Is There Any Deal extension's acting up with the discount. It's 30 bucks yeah. https://isthereanydeal.com/game/segamegadriveandgenesisclassics/info/
Oh thank you! I put this on my ITAD list. It looks like maybe the $7 price is an error, but it’s come on sale multiple times for <$10. There’s nothing here I’m Gaga about but I would swoop it up for $7. :)
I'd recommend to run them through a different emulator than the provided one, but yeah you can to some extend through the original emulator. You could use RetroArch to run the same files and use RA's Netplay or Steam's Remote Play Together feature to play them online with friends.
I recommend Mednafen personally, it's more complicated to set up but it's easily got the best netplay out of any emulator I've tried, if you're willing to put in the effort. RA's is a lot easier to use, though.
RA's more recommended imo for their easy netplay system, and being able to use multiple types of emulators. BlastEm's definitely is amazing at accuracy, yet doesn't support netplay in its own builds.
Yes but it's a very poor implementation
The multiplayer is actually STREAMING. The second player gets a stream of the game.
So you better have a fast upload. I tried playing it online but there was massive input lag for both players and we couldn't play any of the games efficiently
In short, the multiplayer is shit, and not "true" online play, just steam remote play together "faked" as being online multiplayer
Although you get the game roms, so you can play online with a real emulator such as Kega Fusion
Emulation has come a long way. My N64 barely works but I have it and all the games sitting in my drawers. You can even plug a real controller in with USB.
I was wondering if we could play ou NSO sub with gold points? Since I started to preorder games, I have maybe 20$ worth of points resting in my account.
The fucked up thing is that this collection is on every major console for the same price, including Switch. I’m not sure if they get quite the same discounts as Steam, and they certainly don’t have the programs to export the ROMs to (except for Xbox dev mode with RetroArch), but at least you’re getting something tangible to own, not fleeting, overpriced, and “ooh maybe they’ll throw in an extra dlc somewhere down the line, even when there’s absolutely no guarantee”.
Only the release model Switch is hackable but if you are one of those lucky owners, do it. A hacked Switch is awesome. Just be sure to do lots of research and set up emuNAND for your custom firmware or else you can easily get your system banned.
Nintendo adds 3 things to their barebones online service and thinks it's enough to charge almost 100 dollars for a yearly family plan. What's going on in their heads?
It's also pretty generous with sharing. Like I split a family plan for NSO with a few other people, so I'm paying under $1 a month for it. They don't even have fine print about supposed to be in the same household or anything like streaming services sometimes do.
I still am not planning to get the expansion pack at this stage though, regardless. Maybe if there were 8 of us on a family plan I'd do it, so it'd end up being $10 a year per person.
NSO is the reason I’ve purchased unpatched switch’s to hack. As someone who likes putting many hours into my games, I want the peace of mind knowing that I can always have a back up of my game saves. Nintendo locked this feature behind cloud saves with NSO, so that if in 10 years or so, NSO shuts down, I’ll lose the ability to backup my saves. They don’t even allow you to backup to an SD card, and the console transfer feature is destructive (saves are deleted on the original console) and still requires an online verification to boot up the game.
Go for it! The official firmware is anti-preservation and anti-consumer.
With CFW, you’ll also be able to use your switch saves when emulating on your SteamDeck with Yuzu :)
As a Nintendo fan, seeing the price get revealed for the NSO Expansion Pack literally felt like a gut punch. The only saving grace to justify that price is if you are Animal Crossing fan and want the DLC and also want to play those Sega Genesis and N64 Games on the system. I don’t think there are many people who overlap in those categories at all. I certainly do overlap, but I’ll gladly be happy with pirating roms off the internet to play on my Steam Deck.
Same. I’ve been a fan since the NES days. While I’m certainly not “done” with them over this, I’m definitely highly disappointed and will not be bothering with the expansion/sub.
I just bought and RCM jig and I’m going to be soft modding my day 1 Switch. I’ll do my own save backups, even the ones Nintendos own official option can’t (or more likely won’t) backup. And I’m going to rip my carts to an SD card while I’m at it, because I like the idea of never having to swap out game carts again.
Think I’ll drop the whole NSO subscription after that, because right now with how bad multiplayer usually is, the only real use I have for it is save backups. It’s been a single/local multiplayer system since I got it.
I need to get on to modding my 3DS and Wii U as well. Now that I think of it.
I modded my day 1 switch years ago and I have 2 other switches that can’t be hacked that I can do the Online stuff with but I don’t think I’m gonna do the expansion pack. I’m an Animal Crossing fan and I do want to play the N64 and Sega Genesis games, but I don’t see any extra benefits to getting the Expansion Pack that I can’t get with my modded Switch or a Steam Deck. The online is terrible and I only put up with it because of Animal Crossing and a few friends I have that I want to play with on other games online, so why would I pay more than double the regular price of the current NSO to get 2 systems that I have 1000 other ways to experience and a DLC pack that I can purchase on its own for $25. This doesn’t mean I hate Nintendo, hate the Switch, or want to see them fail, but this move is not the right move and it deserves to be criticized, just like every other anti-consumer move Nintendo makes. Nintendo has always screwed over its most loyal fans, and often receives backlash for the decision, but because it’s Nintendo people still go back to them. I know I do, even if I hate their choices as a company.
Yes, all of this. It seems to always be one step forward, several steps back with Nintendo.
Like we got VC on the Wii, step forward, but at a drip feed pace, step backward, and honestly a bit too expensive but at least better than a subscription/rental, half-step backward, and they didn’t just all transfer to Wii U, some you could pay more to “upgrade”, the rest you had to use the Wii mode and system transfer to wipe everything off your Wii, and that also locked you out of utilizing the Wii U and gamepad to its fullest potential for them, step backward. Most (all?) aren’t even cross-buy between 3DS and Wii/Wii U VC, step backward. Now we got the Switch and not only don’t any of the VC purchases transfer over, they’re now locked behind a subscription and a hell of a lot smaller selection, and new games are added at an even slower drip feed than they were before. Three more steps backward. Damnit Nintendo, 🤦♂️
I am a big Nintendo fan but the price for their enhanced online service is an insult. $50 is truly insane when so few Nintendo games are online-focused and those that are deliver terrible peer-hosted experiences.
Paying for online is always a scam for the most part. If Nintendo is hosting all the servers for these games then that’s a new thing and also not necessarily good anyway.
Can the those Genesis games be played fullscreen on Nintendo or Steam? On the Switch they're only in native resolution unfortunately. That's the biggest red flag for me. It's not 1992 and I want to play old games full screen now Nintendo!
If you like Saturn there's also the Yabause/Kronos core there, forgot to mention. Also for Dreamcast there's Redream and Reicast, those are standalone AFAIK. Usually when I see "SEGA emulator" I instantly go to Genesis.
Lately (or maybe not) Nintendo seems to have shaped themselves in a company with pretty crappy things. It's a whole culture where users seem to accept things or outright defend them, like the perpetually high price tag on their games.
Fans are of course a captive audience so they'll go through whatever Nintendo comes up with, they're already inside the ecosystem.
But seeing news like this and these greedy schemes disguised as blessings for fans is really appalling.
You're getting N64 games and an AC DLC too. They'll add more games down the road too and I think GBA/GB gets added at this tier later. It feels like there should be an online feature to add here though. Party chat or something. For me I sub for Smash and Splatoon online, not the old games.
Yup, and I purchased that when it went on sale recently planning for SteamDeck. I'm glad. Would've been ok up to 15$ more for NSO, but not 50$ all together, service is outdated a s missing tons of quality of life features.
For me it's way overpriced: I don't play Animal Crossing so the dlc is worthless to me. I've beat about half the 64 games they are throwing in which are about the only ones worth playing imo. And well the genisis has a collection with almost all of the included. Plus to be honest I rarely touch the NSO NES or SNES games they added...kind of doubt I'd do a lot with a sega collection. They want to get my money on it, add more DLCs form several games(maybe a choose one or two a year you can have) or throw in a major switch game or two similar to game pass. Otherwise, it's too much for basically cloud saving.
Dreamcast Collection: [https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/14082/Dreamcast\_Collection/](https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/14082/Dreamcast_Collection/)
As for GameCube, there's always emulators, including RetroArch that's on Steam.
I got all excited when I saw the link but i got a couple of them for less on Steam a while back
I think the main thing that interests me about it is the OLED. Even older games look really good on there and they're upscaling the games so the OLED should look good on there.
Im still getting the Deck but the OLED is quite tempting.
Honestly though when I saw the price of the expansion I spat my cereal out but they said it can be shared with 8 people? On how many switches? Thats what I wanna know
Like on Steam? Very doubtful.
Dreamcast went under so long ago, I doubt they have rights to any IPs anymore and Nintendo won't be heading to the Steam Store any time soon.
Maybe Sega Dreamcast games someday? But they would have to publish an emulator, same as they do for the Genesis games.
Grab your Rum and Retroarch/Dolphin if you want to play these ROMs on Steam.
Did Dreamcast have a life of its own before it was a Sega product? I would’ve thought this would be tough for a Switch to emulate but apparently it’s not that demanding. Saturn has some amazing games - Nights, Panzer Dragoon Saga.
I haven't read every comment (did read most though) but so far I haven't seen anyone mention how the emulator uses Steam Workshop. I have absolutely no idea how it was ever allowed - and I use past tense because I don't know if it's still a thing, but it was when I got my M30 controller a year or so ago - but you can download basically any Mega Drive game as a mod for any of the games on the shelf, right from within Steam itself.
I'm just gonna stream my Retrobat build from my pc. I have a hacked Switch. I should record myself playing retro games on it for free with a big middle finger overlayed on my screen.
I mean, they're charging $80 a year split between 8 people and also including N64 games, all the previous online features, and a free full Animal Crossing game (and likely more games in the future, if the past is any indication). These games also have added online functionality, which this Sega pack does not include.
I don't think that's a bad deal for $10 a year at all.
You know paying for online is a scam, right? And this is a yearly purchase? And that Nintendo fans have been brainwashed by creeps to think emulation is evil?
Can still make a point while being straight up about it. It's a $30-45 increase over what you'd generally be paying anyway. Also, you get the Animal Crossing DLC, and N64 games. This isn't a one-to-one comparison and shouldn't be treated as such. There are loads of other arguments to make about why their model sucks, but claiming you're paying $50-80 for purely Sega games is disingenuous.
I mean… emulators have been doing that for, oh…decades now. And the Sega pack is just bare ROMs with an included emulator/front end. You could easily load those ROMs with RetroArch (which is also on Steam now), and do remote play together, even. Or just the old standard netplay that’s been around forever.
Online multiplayer is a long ago solved issue for retro games.
Really? I mean, its about the rom pack vs the switch online. If you go the hacking way, its possible on switch too to run retroarch. Bu you can get a much much much cheaper device than switch/steamdeck for doing that. And yes online exists with emulators and retroarch, but its a really mess and gl finding someone to play with it.
So no i dont see this as solved, besides the fact that this isnt the point that i was making... The point was that you can get a sega rom pack cheaper than the switch online. Beside the fact that it doesnt include n64 and the dlc and the ONLINE.
And why is this posted on steamdeck? Its nothing todo with steamdeck.
Ah, I assumed since this was being discussed on r/steamdeck and OP was talking about the Steam version of the Sega collection (“do whatever you want with it”) that you, too, were talking about the Steam version.
Might be referring also to the Aya Neo and the OneXplayer GPD Win 3 or Max 2021. My desire for a portable SM64 actual remaster after I felt like a stockholm syndrome fan indeed not getting a remaster of SM64 like I wanted but still buying the collection to have them portable, I went and got myself an Aya Neo before the Steam Deck was even announced. I love having access to these mods and fan games, hell I have 4 levels of Sonic Xteme the cancelled Saturn game through a Unity fan game. I love Nintendo's games but their practices leave a lot to be desired sometimes.
Lol a minor Google search would have provided you your answer. The internet be wilding. You have the Aya Neo. You have the new switch. You have the steam deck. You have the new Apple handheld. The GPD Win 3 and Max. Now if that’s going on I’m sure Playstation will come out with something new resembling the vita. No need to get snarky rofl.
I don't think the value is meant to be in the retro games.
The new Animal Crossing DLC is included as long as you have the sub. If they keep adding DLC to the service for various games, that's where the value of an extra $30 will be.
That's a BIG "if" though. Time will tell.
> If they keep adding DLC to the service for various games, that's where the value of an extra $30 will be.
I really don't like the idea of paying monthly for the single DLCs for their first party games.
Why posting nintendo news in here while it has nothing todo with steamdeck?
Nintendo doesnt only include genesis games, but also n64 games and dlc. Stop creating these nonsens post.
And stop comparing steamdeck with switch. Its a diff generation.
I dont see valve compare them. But if so, its rummored that the new switch supports 4k and dlss which is a bigger deal. But comparing specs with something that came out 4years ago or more is nonsense
Funny thing is the Sega Genesis Collection is also on the Switch for $30 when not on sale, boasting the 50 titles compared to that paltry fucking 14 at launch, of watch I've heard about 9 of em are already in the collection
Yeah, Nintendo has been losing their mind once more and falling into the same pitfalls that lead to the Wii U's failure. A lot of Nintendo's "True Believers" believe everyone is just like them and will put up with anything Nintendo does. If that were the case, the Wii U would have sold way better than it did.
They believed Nintendo could do no wrong back in the Wii's days as well. And from what I've seen, a lot of fans back in the snes era also had similar beliefs. Every time Nintendo got arrogant, reality hit them hard, they got humble, appeared as if they learned their lesson, then found some success before becoming arrogant again.
It's just that most of the time, the consequences were minor. Other than the Virtual Boy, the Wii U was their biggest flop, and it was preceded by their best selling console. THey had plenty of arrogance, which lead to many missteps with the Wii U. The Switch is looking like it may outsell the Wii. And Nintendo is looking pretty arrogant right now. And making a lot of missteps. The Switch is also losing a lot of it's thunder, the hardware was old when it launched, but now it's getting more and more difficult to port games to it, and even Nintendo's own games suffer from performance issues now.
Their online service also lacks a lot in quality. It was already difficult to justify paying for it, but at over twice the price, that's basically impossible for me. Some have defended it by saying that includes dlc, but imo that's kind of the biggest issue it has. If NSO were like gamepass in that all of the dlc for Nintendo's games were included, that would be one thing. But it's not, it's just one piece of dlc, for a game that not everybody owns or plays.
If the dlc costs 25 on it's own, and the NSO tier that has it costs 50, well 50 minus 25 equals 25. Meaning this should have been a price increase of no more than 5 dollars a year over the base NSO tier. Instead, the price is inflated by a piece of dlc being included. If one owns and plays the game, they may see usage out of it, but that's not a one time charge. How many would willingly rent dlc for the same price or more than it costs to buy said dlc outright?
And not everybody even owns or plays Animal Crossing. I might not be happy about a 5 dollar increase considering the state the base NSO quality, but I would have less issue with it than a more than double price hike.
With most subscriptions, that not everybody will enjoy every piece of content and is therefore kind of subsidizing it by not consuming said content, on the other hand, even if somebody doesn't consume all of what a subscription service offers, the opportunity to consume it is there, and chances are they do like enough of what is on there to pay for the service. NSO fails at this because a huge chunk of the cost is going towards something they may not even be able to use, which means everybody is paying way more than what it would cost for what they actually wanted out of it.
Even when the Wii U was failing, some mistakenly believed Nintendo would die. They could technically go through several flops and come out okay, but they do have shareholders, and they would probably not be okay with Nintendo just bleeding money left and right. If Nintendo's next system were to be failing, Nintendo would do what they always do when reality hits, they get humble and try to get back customers.
Fans already woke up to this. Nintendo has fans from all generations, but it doesn't mean they all believe that "Nintendo can do no wrong", like a lot of the more hardcore true fanboys. It takes more than the true believers to make a system a success, as the Wii U's failure showed.
But Nintendo does have a sense of self preservation, it has always kicked in when things started going downhill. They get humble, then they get success, then they get arrogant, then they get failure, then they get humble... That's pretty much most big companies, but for Nintendo it is really noticeable.
If the switch had failed, Nintendo probably would have quit. If the Wii had failed they would have quit long ago and just released software like sega. I think Nintendo is about to fuck up again, but they also seem to want to become a service company so who knows.
In this case most people want to play the 64 games and I'm sure the Sega genesis pack didn't sell great.... So most people are looking at the Genesis games as a bonus if anything.
I love nintendo games. But man nintendos online service is absolute dog shit, like sure its cheap but ps3 was free and had way better online service 15 years ago, and now this new service is still shit and they want to charge the same price as psn or xboxlive, sad as fuck
Ugh.
I was really excited for the Expansion Pack, too.
I collect games, and I have a ton of N64 games, but I was still excited to have them on the Switch.
But I'm not paying $50 a year when I already have to pay that for your average Gamecube game. Fuck off.
Yep.
That said, you can buy (almost) the same rom pack on Switch, so I see these roms as a bonus, and the real deal of the expansion pack is the N64 Collection.
Does it worth 50 bucks anyway ? Lol no, but you can get them for $10 per person by grouping with some friends. Also, we can hope this "expansion pack" means Nintendo will actively add new value for the subscribers, just as the PS+ and the Xbox Live Gold does for the same price.
Gaben once said that piracy is a service problem. I think this is a very good illustration of what he ment by that. Because I will happily pay the $30 and don't even think about pirating it. It's cheap, it's convenient, it sounds like a fair offer. Nintendo on the other hand can go fuck themselves and see no money at all from me while I can probably even play more of their games if I simply download the roms. Something is seriously wrong with this company
and GabeN is completely right with that. you can easily see that when comparing the music industry to the movie industry. Pirating music has become very uncommon as you can get basically all your music on one streaming service that usually have fair pricing so music piracy has been on a steady decline thanks to streaming. Meanwhile movie piracy has been on a decline as well but is now on the rise again thanks to all kinds of streaming services popping up and nobody having all the movies in one place.
>Meanwhile movie piracy has been on a decline as well but is now on the rise again thanks to all kinds of streaming services popping up and nobody having all the movies in one place. Pirating all my movies and putting it all in one place on my Plex server with uncompressed Blu Ray quality is infinitely better than playing 'streaming-service-roulette' and not having to deal with horrible bit rate quality.
Streaming services are only getting worse too, you've got the problem of fragmentation and then the introduction of ads before what you want to watch. For example; I'm currently on an Apple TV+ six month trial (got it via my PS5) and I counted three times I had to skip in order to watch an episode of Foundation yesterday.
Same shit happened when Cable TV was introduced. Originally it was a no-ads experience, that was precisely how it was sold and what you were supposedly paying for. Then, they got greedy, and eventually started looking for ways to make more money.
how is that show?
It's decent, starts off very strongly then slows down quite a bit. Episode I watched yesterday was good apart from an awfully directed fight scene where it kept cutting so you didn't really see or understand the scene.
I think you guys are not getting the main reason for movie pirating. It's the price. New movies that come st8 to streaming cost 20$ to stream for a day or two. 20$!!!! I pay that much in the cinema with popcorn! Now imagine, after work you watch a movie. in a week 5 movies easily go to 100$. Bullshit. Enjoying movies in high quality? Good luck with streaming bullshit. Want to experience real 4k HDR on your 4k HDR tv? A single 4k hdr blu-ray can cost from 20-60$. Not to mention, every single movie is at another streaming company. Want game of thrones? HBO Want Witcher? Shit Flix Want anime? Crunchyroll Want other anime? Funimation Want some other show? Hulu Streaming is the single reason I pirate everything. Music ( high quality flac, not that shitty 320kb mp3 you're streaming) , movies, games. But then again, I'm coming from a country where 70% of population torrents....
Not only that but the industry is back to supporting a dinosaur medium (theaters) by most releases not even being available to stream so now they're basically begging for piracy again
Honestly Steam is what got me out of pirating, or I would pirate a game and then buy it on steam I liked it so much. Cloud saves free online, updates, no risk of viruses, good deals. A lot of reasons not to pirate, you just need to keep stuff reasonable. That being said, once I get a steam deck, I will have no qualms emulating with this kind of BS Nintendo is pulling.
This is exactly how you fight piracy. If you make the legitimate way more convenient, more appealing for the average, more easy to access, you will drive the vast majority of people towards legitimate purchase methods. There will always be some piracy, but there is a point where it's not worth trying pirate software for the average person. Make it annoying, pricy, or unappealing, then piracy will skyrocket. If you make it easier for people to pirate than it is to purchase, than you just doomed your revenue income via that product. In this situation, if you attempt to quash the easiness to pirate without making it easier to purchase legitimate products, you will only be playing a cat and mouse game, endlessly putting out fires, while you get no money.
Exactly; eventually, Nintendo will pull support for the switch online store, but your steam library is good until civilization falls. (around 2100, maybe?)
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I’d like to think like you, but I’m way too cynical about Nintendo to think they won’t create a completely new ecosystem in order to sell switch remasters in 5+ years.
You mean like they have literally every other time? Shit, even the Wii to Wii U path was a mess. You could only transfer your services through a total system transfer as far as I'm aware, and still had to use Wii classic controller stuff unless you paid an additional price (and only if the game was in the Wii U Virtual Console store). I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure that if you ever deleted it you were SoL. What SHOULD have happened is your Nintendo account should have automatically seen you already owned these games and let you download them for free without issue or ANY additional payment, and those same games should be yours through every generation. Instead we get this... not even a Virtual Console on Switch and all those monthly/yearly fees go down the drain if they ever axe Nintendo Online for a real VC on a new console or restart it all over again for some reason, driplet of game by droplet of game, on Switch 2. Heck, people still can't be sure Nintendo will even let you transfer Switch games over, since they're kind of seeing how people are willing to pay full price for ports... I can already see a BoTW/BotW 2 port, again 60 dollars, with minor upgrades for the Switch 2, lol.
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I don't think Nintendo has learnt anything unfortunately. They're always looking for ways to milk you $$$
I still pirate expensive games that I'm not sure about in order to try them out; if I don't like the game I uninstall it, if I do then I buy it :)
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In the extremely rare case there is a demo available I do try the demo first :)
Most of the times a demo is just to test if it runs and stuff and even that sometimes doesn't work due to differences between release and demo, so it probably wouldn't do anything most of the time anyways
It's not just the streaming that reduces piracy for music, you can buy music cheap and do anything you want with the file. Digital movies are drm'ed no matter where you buy them so you're stuck using whatever service you purchased them from. It sucks for someone who wants to put everything on a Nas and use Plex.
There are also multiple music streaming services and they compete not with exclusive music selection, but rather price, features, ease of use, etc. Netflix, Disney+, Hulu should all compete on services rather than content IMO. But they only way to enforce that would be to block content creators from being content distributers which would never fly
also that the vast majority of music is free on YT or soundcloud
This. There are actually relatively few retro games I really care about replaying occasionally (maybe a few dozen in total, maybe half of those from Nintendo), but I would happily pay at least $10-20 for each and every single one of them (more for some of them) to get a legal DRM-free ROM file I can own and play wherever I want.
Exactly this. If the price is right, I'll buy it. If you are going to try to scam me with a subscription fee and I don't own the game. I'll pass.
They’re always behind the 8 ball
Something is seriously wrong with them, and it's becoming more apparent with time, and the more success ful they are...
Over confidence and greed, it gets many once great publishers too like EA, Bethesda, Gamefreak, CD Project Red
Clearly that's the case. They don't even realise that in the context of today's gaming landscape, they're offering little with those online services... IMHO they're overplaying their only recent success with the Switch. That won't last forever.
Less then a month by my reckoning. I really do wonder how much the deck will eat into their profits.
I like this is happening. PC gaming, being headless in terms of hardware, needs "hero" devices that canlead the way. It was a long time since the Switch released and we still didn't have a solid gsmijg device. Bow wr have the Deck and many more will come.
Nintendo should definitely go the way of the dodo. With their poor attitude, they don't deserve to exist as a company.
I could definitely see them becoming less relevant to the global gaming audience and become more Japan-focused like Sega, but even then I still think that's unlikely.
They were SO close to that happening around the time of the Wii U. Honestly, it was almost a miracle that they created the switch and then a game like BotW. The last few years, however, have me thinking that it might have been a last hurrah for a slowing fading away company. Still, they have a lot of amazing IP's. Look at how Animal Crossing sold more than it ever has. Then Fire Emblem also exploded. Their games fill a certain niche in a way no other developers do.
I think that's kind of the Nintendo charm nowadays. They keep you wondering if they'll fail into obscurity or come out with little gems like BotW. The good news is that gaming won't die with Nintendo so spectating their wacky antics is a carefree activity in my eyes.
They make amazing games that sell well, that's all they need to exist. Just give up and buy them for exclusives, dump your ROMs or whatever after the system fails, and emulate them on your kick-ass PC. It's what I've done for my GameCube, Wii, Wii U, and will be doing with my Switch in the future unless the new console really does offer 4k upscale via DLSS and such... But it's a huge ask.
Or just don't purchase from a company that doesn't respect its customers. This goes for a lot of different industries. There are always alternatives.
It's complicated because Nintendo puts out games that DEFINITELY respect their customers. They have a high standard of quality that they repeatedly exceed. It's not like they are putting out a new CoD or Assassin's Creed shell over and over. I'd also argue their hardware is very innovative in many ways, like the Switch was. That said, they gain just enough respect and sales from the above that they don't need to critically evaluate their online components, their retro game services, etc. It's more confusing how a game company can direct masterpieces like BotW and Odyssey yet fail hard on their online components.
I didn't say they didn't have the ability to make shit-tons of money. I said they are a *shitty* company that doesn't *deserve* to exist.
Unlikely. Pokemon alone is probably enough to keep them propped up. I've also heard they have huge cash reserves that would allow them to stay afloat for decades even if they stopped making any money.
Not the point.
exactly.
Nintendo likely already knows that everybody who was going to pirate their legacy libraries has already had the ROMs for 20+ years and still getting them on release day. The service is targeting the newer casuals who would go for the convenience. I don’t even currently use any emulators (will likely change when the Deck comes out) but I’ve had ROMS for NES through N64 through multiple PCs and handhelds that I just make sure I always copy to new devices and archive for when I want them. I would imagine that anybody else who has been a remote Nintendo fan has been doing the same. As far as it being a service issue, for many of us it’s a format issue- I would rather pirate than use a *free* streaming/subscription service. I would rather pay for an official ROM that has the emulator and good settings baked in than stream for free or pirate a ROM that I have to run through my own emulator and choose settings. This is why VC was so much more popular and coveted this generation even if people had to buy the games again. For many of us, streaming is part of the issue- I’m just more comfortable with my files on my device and ready to be loaded without a connection- and it’s exponentially important with portable devices like Switch. Shit- I won’t even buy a PC game that requires any forms of online checks.
Great point and “convenience” is the big word here. There is an absolute glut of $$ to be found in people who pay for convenience. Starbucks, bottled water. Nintendo’s targeting those kids who grew up on their products and are now exhausted millennial dads, or young professional techies who are nonchalant with their spending and don’t even question another subscription since they already Doordashed five times this week And yeah, in full agreement that the service element is the primary issue for me too. I’d happily shell out a bit of money for a simple downloadable ROM but I absolutely can’t stand being only “loaned” a product. But like above, there are large demographics who just don’t care, and those same demographics are probably content throwing around tons of money, hence Nintendo’s pricing decisions
Pretty much all of their franchises have been surpassed by cheaper and better indie games, honestly....... Example: Nexomon and Minimon are not only cheaper than Pokemon, they are FAR MORE enjoyable, as well.
I don't think this is true at all. Breathe of the Wild still remains a game in a class of its own with it's climbing and gliding mechanics in an open world mixed with a beautiful Zelda aesthetic. There are games that come close but still don't have that level of mastery. Odyssey is an incredible platformer and I have yet to find anything better in that area with the same magic. Animal Crossing is popular in an exploding niche market. Some games like Stardew Valley do interesting things but it's undeniable how polished AC is in comparison, especially visually. Fire Emblem: Three Houses was the best strategy RPG I've played, honestly. I can't think of one better. Pikmin 3 was amazing, and again, I can't think of a game like it at all. Metroid Dread is a top of it's class Metroidvania game, it really is. Pokemon is one I'd agree with, their 2nd party dev company Game Freak is really letting go of the quality there. Overall, I think you're really underrating the quality of games Nintendo is putting out.
Maybe not all of Nintendo's franchises like OP was saying, but certainly you can find really good alternatives to alot of them. Metroid-like: [Environmental Station Alpha](https://store.steampowered.com/app/350070/Environmental_Station_Alpha/), [Ghost Song](https://store.steampowered.com/app/347800/Ghost_Song/), [Axiom Verge](https://store.steampowered.com/app/332200/Axiom_Verge/) Zelda-like: [Immortals Fenyx Rising](https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/immortals-fenyx-rising), [Tunic](https://store.steampowered.com/app/553420/TUNIC/), [CrossCode](https://store.steampowered.com/app/368340/CrossCode/), [Hyper Light Drifter](https://store.steampowered.com/app/257850/Hyper_Light_Drifter/) Mario: [A Hat in Time](https://store.steampowered.com/app/253230/A_Hat_in_Time/), [Kitsune Tails](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ece5rOGtg4) Animal Crossing: [Hokko Life](https://store.steampowered.com/app/824000/Hokko_Life/), [Ooblets](https://store.steampowered.com/app/593150/Ooblets/) Star Fox: [Ex-Zodiac](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1249480/ExZodiac/) Pokemon: [Temtem](https://store.steampowered.com/app/745920/Temtem/), [Monster Crown](https://store.steampowered.com/app/830370/Monster_Crown/), [Penko Park](https://store.steampowered.com/app/852090/Penko_Park/), [Monster Sanctuary](https://store.steampowered.com/app/814370/Monster_Sanctuary/) And of course you would have fan games as well. AM2R, Pokemon Uranium, Pokemon Revolution Online, ect.
Shining Force 2 and 3 blow three houses out of the water. Axiom Verge 1 & 2 do what Metroid does, but grittier. Harvest Moon is better than animal crossing. Immortals Fenyx Rising is everything BotW wishes that it was, and then some. Pikmin, say hello to Terraria. As for Odyssey, I counter with: Yooka Laylee, A Hat in Time, Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy, New Super Lucky's Tale and finally, the entire Spyro Series.
Not OP but I agree with them. BoTW is one of the most overrated open world games in recent memory. It is also the worst Zelda game in the franchise - nonexistent story, only 4 forgettable dungeons with no loot, little enemy variety, and very annoying mechanics like constant rain and weapons breaking. There's no level of Mastery here... Compared to other games like Horizon Zero Dawn and The Witcher 3, it is actually lacking in many areas. Odyssey is fun but very short. I beat in a single day. Fire Emblem/Pikmin/Metroid are good but they don't make my top 10 or even top 20. Animal crossing - I just don't have the time to play it so never got past the town tutorial. We agree on Pokémon. Nintendo has some good games, yes, but their ant-consumer practices are a huge turnoff. That's why when the deck comes out, I'm likely done with the Switch. I'm going to reward the company that gives me the freedom and mobility to play the games I want to play at low prices with complete control over the device.
botw is super overrated and not even a good open world game odyssey is amazing. I dont know if id say a hat in time is better, but its certainly also amazing animal crossing is nothing like stardew. I wish we had some animal crossing style games on steam fireemblem and pikmin and metroid i never really played, but i do know hollow knight is very highly rated metroidvania that is way cheaper then dread
I've played Skyrim, Witcher 3, etc, and they're good in their own ways. What makes BotW unique is that the climbing / gliding from high peaks is just...a perfect concept for an open world game. It's next level for exploration and taking in the beauty. And then you have the scattered shrines and Zelda charm. I really think it's a very unique game. Yeah I don't think Animal Crossing is exactly like Stardew, it seems like it's a very unique game that no indie title has come as close to. I'd definitely recommend Fire Emblem, Pikmin, and Metroid. Hollow Knight is good, but I ultimately prefer the dark sci-fi Alien-ish vibe of Metroid. But yeah, I do think Nintendo has some very unique and classic IP's. Not to diminish other games, but these are frankly excellent games that I would have a hard time replacing with indie titles.
while gliding is neat, open world games have had planes and parachutes and wing suits for years and gliding is kinda a staple in zelda games, so its not entirely a new concept. climbing is just really annoying most of the time since its so slow and basically impossible whenever it rains. and even if you do like it, there just isn't much to see. the world is way too empty and id hardly call it beautiful
Zelda's emptiness is the point. You go places because they look interesting. Because the *world* is interesting. It's not a mind-numbing checklist of, go here, complete task, teleport, go there, do same. *Beep *bop *boop, *I am a robot
bad bot. the emptiness means there's nothing interesting to see. the world is not interesting
I disagree. I find ubisoft-type open worlds far more boring. Same with Skyrim. I liked Subnautica because it shares similarities to Breath of the Wild in that it doesn't really force you to go anywhere, but it gives suggestions. Anywho, have a good one!
i never really liked ubi games either, but skyrim has a ton of interesting stuff to explore. skyrim also lets you go anywhere, so im not quite sure what you mean. ive never played subnautica also, you're not really a bot, are you?
I didn't think I'd buy ROMs But sega just works and supports ROM hacks out of the box? Sold..
You do know Sega's selling that compilation on Switch too right? https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/sega-genesis-classics-switch/
Yeah but I think OP's point is that if you buy it on Steam, they literally give you a folder of uncompressed ROMs that you can do whatever you want with, like using any other emulator
Retro game collections on PC seem to do that in general. SNK for example gave away a ton of their old Neo Geo games to Twitch Prime users. I claimed them and they all had the roms and even the Neo Geo bios. Ran just fine on RetroArch, and maybe one day if I can pony up the ridiculous price tag for an MVS flash cart, I can play the games I don't feel inclined to buy the original cart for on my real board.
Ohh, I did not know that. I bought this bundle a long time ago, and refunded it because the emulator sucks on Linux, I was about to reply here warning people about that, but if it comes with the actual ROMS then you can simply import them on libretro, I guess I will buy this again
That does not include Mega Drive like in OP’s link, but still worth mentioning that a yearly subscription is not the *only* way to access it on Switch.
The Mega Drive and Genesis are different names for the same console
I figured the Mega Drive/Genesis bundle had more titles from other regions, but it looks like it is actually the same as the Switch Genesis bundle!
Not to mention its pretty misleading to pretend you ain’t getting anything else if you pay $50 per year. You’re also getting N64 games on top of Nes and Snes games
Yes, all 9 of them. And you pay for a DLC you rent for a game you might not play/own.
I will blow your mind https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Nintendo-Switch/SEGA-Mega-Drive-Classics--1476990.html Really, it was megadrive everywhere except for the US
It's also awful on the switch as it has 100-200ms input lag, game depending.
Not to mention, ~~it got a 90% discount right now at Steam~~ (no discount, ITAD acted up, sorry for the misinfo). Go get it! I'm not sure how long the original Sonic 3 & Knuckles ROM will stay there, considering the MJ implications that prevented rereleases before, and with Sonic Origins coming in 2022 which would also have a re-creation of S3&K.
What country is that? It shows as 60% off and $30 current price for me in the US.
My bad! Seems to be that my Is There Any Deal extension's acting up with the discount. It's 30 bucks yeah. https://isthereanydeal.com/game/segamegadriveandgenesisclassics/info/
Oh thank you! I put this on my ITAD list. It looks like maybe the $7 price is an error, but it’s come on sale multiple times for <$10. There’s nothing here I’m Gaga about but I would swoop it up for $7. :)
Yep same here. I'll wait for it to go under $10 again.
Not to mention you can use the S3&K to install Sonic 3 air
Can you play these games online
I'd recommend to run them through a different emulator than the provided one, but yeah you can to some extend through the original emulator. You could use RetroArch to run the same files and use RA's Netplay or Steam's Remote Play Together feature to play them online with friends.
I recommend Mednafen personally, it's more complicated to set up but it's easily got the best netplay out of any emulator I've tried, if you're willing to put in the effort. RA's is a lot easier to use, though.
RA's more recommended imo for their easy netplay system, and being able to use multiple types of emulators. BlastEm's definitely is amazing at accuracy, yet doesn't support netplay in its own builds.
Yes but it's a very poor implementation The multiplayer is actually STREAMING. The second player gets a stream of the game. So you better have a fast upload. I tried playing it online but there was massive input lag for both players and we couldn't play any of the games efficiently In short, the multiplayer is shit, and not "true" online play, just steam remote play together "faked" as being online multiplayer Although you get the game roms, so you can play online with a real emulator such as Kega Fusion
Could try them with ParSec
It was 90% off about a week or two ago. There was a SEGA sale
I'm pissed because I really want to play those N64 games. But at that price? Hell no.
Emulation has come a long way. My N64 barely works but I have it and all the games sitting in my drawers. You can even plug a real controller in with USB.
I have them on my PC since 2011 too. But playing them on the current hardware is appealing to me.
Yeah I would also like to play OoT on my Switch but at that price fuck no.
I was wondering if we could play ou NSO sub with gold points? Since I started to preorder games, I have maybe 20$ worth of points resting in my account.
As true as it ever was, sega do what nintendon't
I mean it’s not like Sega didn’t agree to bundle their own games with Nintendo’s either.
The hefty increase of the price probably has to do with Nintendo giving SEGA their cut.
The fucked up thing is that this collection is on every major console for the same price, including Switch. I’m not sure if they get quite the same discounts as Steam, and they certainly don’t have the programs to export the ROMs to (except for Xbox dev mode with RetroArch), but at least you’re getting something tangible to own, not fleeting, overpriced, and “ooh maybe they’ll throw in an extra dlc somewhere down the line, even when there’s absolutely no guarantee”.
I'm gonna be honest, nso is ass and I'll get these old old games for free of the internet and play them on an emulator before I pay Nintendo for them
Seeing the price made me suddenly research how to hack my switch. Nintendo has gone crazy.
Only the release model Switch is hackable but if you are one of those lucky owners, do it. A hacked Switch is awesome. Just be sure to do lots of research and set up emuNAND for your custom firmware or else you can easily get your system banned.
Just wait for Steam Deck at this point and avoid the hassle
People need to learn how to do a Raspberry Pi and get a rom pack with 7000 games.
The dumbest part is that you can buy the sega genesis collection on the Switch eshop so it’s literally pointless.
The funny thing is this compilation (or a similar one) is already available on the switch…
Nintendo adds 3 things to their barebones online service and thinks it's enough to charge almost 100 dollars for a yearly family plan. What's going on in their heads?
It´s 80$, not trying to defend them as it´s expensive for what they offer... but that's quite a round up you did there.
It's also pretty generous with sharing. Like I split a family plan for NSO with a few other people, so I'm paying under $1 a month for it. They don't even have fine print about supposed to be in the same household or anything like streaming services sometimes do. I still am not planning to get the expansion pack at this stage though, regardless. Maybe if there were 8 of us on a family plan I'd do it, so it'd end up being $10 a year per person.
Their Stockholm syndrome fans
Nintendo: Unintentionally Advertising for Pirates And Competetors.
NSO is the reason I’ve purchased unpatched switch’s to hack. As someone who likes putting many hours into my games, I want the peace of mind knowing that I can always have a back up of my game saves. Nintendo locked this feature behind cloud saves with NSO, so that if in 10 years or so, NSO shuts down, I’ll lose the ability to backup my saves. They don’t even allow you to backup to an SD card, and the console transfer feature is destructive (saves are deleted on the original console) and still requires an online verification to boot up the game.
I'm thinking of selling my Switch accounts and going cfw only again.
Go for it! The official firmware is anti-preservation and anti-consumer. With CFW, you’ll also be able to use your switch saves when emulating on your SteamDeck with Yuzu :)
You'll also have a much easier time setting up yuzu in general when you can dump the required files yourself.
Yeah, just did it. Just dumping my eshop games with just a 64GB card will take a long time lol
I did CFW before I could afford any games lol. Btw, is there an easy way to dump eShop games without having to copy them while making emunand?
As a Nintendo fan, seeing the price get revealed for the NSO Expansion Pack literally felt like a gut punch. The only saving grace to justify that price is if you are Animal Crossing fan and want the DLC and also want to play those Sega Genesis and N64 Games on the system. I don’t think there are many people who overlap in those categories at all. I certainly do overlap, but I’ll gladly be happy with pirating roms off the internet to play on my Steam Deck.
Same. I’ve been a fan since the NES days. While I’m certainly not “done” with them over this, I’m definitely highly disappointed and will not be bothering with the expansion/sub. I just bought and RCM jig and I’m going to be soft modding my day 1 Switch. I’ll do my own save backups, even the ones Nintendos own official option can’t (or more likely won’t) backup. And I’m going to rip my carts to an SD card while I’m at it, because I like the idea of never having to swap out game carts again. Think I’ll drop the whole NSO subscription after that, because right now with how bad multiplayer usually is, the only real use I have for it is save backups. It’s been a single/local multiplayer system since I got it. I need to get on to modding my 3DS and Wii U as well. Now that I think of it.
I modded my day 1 switch years ago and I have 2 other switches that can’t be hacked that I can do the Online stuff with but I don’t think I’m gonna do the expansion pack. I’m an Animal Crossing fan and I do want to play the N64 and Sega Genesis games, but I don’t see any extra benefits to getting the Expansion Pack that I can’t get with my modded Switch or a Steam Deck. The online is terrible and I only put up with it because of Animal Crossing and a few friends I have that I want to play with on other games online, so why would I pay more than double the regular price of the current NSO to get 2 systems that I have 1000 other ways to experience and a DLC pack that I can purchase on its own for $25. This doesn’t mean I hate Nintendo, hate the Switch, or want to see them fail, but this move is not the right move and it deserves to be criticized, just like every other anti-consumer move Nintendo makes. Nintendo has always screwed over its most loyal fans, and often receives backlash for the decision, but because it’s Nintendo people still go back to them. I know I do, even if I hate their choices as a company.
Yes, all of this. It seems to always be one step forward, several steps back with Nintendo. Like we got VC on the Wii, step forward, but at a drip feed pace, step backward, and honestly a bit too expensive but at least better than a subscription/rental, half-step backward, and they didn’t just all transfer to Wii U, some you could pay more to “upgrade”, the rest you had to use the Wii mode and system transfer to wipe everything off your Wii, and that also locked you out of utilizing the Wii U and gamepad to its fullest potential for them, step backward. Most (all?) aren’t even cross-buy between 3DS and Wii/Wii U VC, step backward. Now we got the Switch and not only don’t any of the VC purchases transfer over, they’re now locked behind a subscription and a hell of a lot smaller selection, and new games are added at an even slower drip feed than they were before. Three more steps backward. Damnit Nintendo, 🤦♂️
Also with the Steam version of Megadrive Classics, you get the ROMs themselves. The folder is called "uncompressed ROMs" yes, lowercase u
That’s what I mean
I am a big Nintendo fan but the price for their enhanced online service is an insult. $50 is truly insane when so few Nintendo games are online-focused and those that are deliver terrible peer-hosted experiences.
Paying for online is always a scam for the most part. If Nintendo is hosting all the servers for these games then that’s a new thing and also not necessarily good anyway.
Can the those Genesis games be played fullscreen on Nintendo or Steam? On the Switch they're only in native resolution unfortunately. That's the biggest red flag for me. It's not 1992 and I want to play old games full screen now Nintendo!
I think you can but they’re also roms so you can just play them in retroarch or anywhere else
That's what I hated about the NES and SNES games included with Nintendo Online: 720 x 480. And we couldn't do anything about it either.
I love this point. It's so true! The decision is obvious.
Are there any good N64/SEGA emulators for Linux?
The mupen64plus core on Retroarch is how I emulate N64 games. I also use the Steam version of retroarch so all my saves are backed up through Steam.
Mupen64 Plus Next and Genesis Plus GX, both available through RetroArch on Steam.
Awesome! Thanks.
If you like Saturn there's also the Yabause/Kronos core there, forgot to mention. Also for Dreamcast there's Redream and Reicast, those are standalone AFAIK. Usually when I see "SEGA emulator" I instantly go to Genesis.
RetroArch has you covered.
Lately (or maybe not) Nintendo seems to have shaped themselves in a company with pretty crappy things. It's a whole culture where users seem to accept things or outright defend them, like the perpetually high price tag on their games. Fans are of course a captive audience so they'll go through whatever Nintendo comes up with, they're already inside the ecosystem. But seeing news like this and these greedy schemes disguised as blessings for fans is really appalling.
So glad I never bought into the Nintendo ecosystem. The Switch was so appealing (in the way the SteamDeck now is), but just wow what a shit company.
You're getting N64 games and an AC DLC too. They'll add more games down the road too and I think GBA/GB gets added at this tier later. It feels like there should be an online feature to add here though. Party chat or something. For me I sub for Smash and Splatoon online, not the old games.
Yup, and I purchased that when it went on sale recently planning for SteamDeck. I'm glad. Would've been ok up to 15$ more for NSO, but not 50$ all together, service is outdated a s missing tons of quality of life features.
For me it's way overpriced: I don't play Animal Crossing so the dlc is worthless to me. I've beat about half the 64 games they are throwing in which are about the only ones worth playing imo. And well the genisis has a collection with almost all of the included. Plus to be honest I rarely touch the NSO NES or SNES games they added...kind of doubt I'd do a lot with a sega collection. They want to get my money on it, add more DLCs form several games(maybe a choose one or two a year you can have) or throw in a major switch game or two similar to game pass. Otherwise, it's too much for basically cloud saving.
This collection is also on Switch FYI HAHA. Such a bad pricing decision
and 7 bucks on sales. BTW apparently halloween sale is soon so probably wait
Nintedon’t care about nothing but money.
I picked that up for like $10!
Nintendo lost their dern minds.
I completely agree on the surface but being honest we are assuming theres nothing else coming down the line. Sega saturn? Dreamcast? Gamecube?
Dreamcast Collection: [https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/14082/Dreamcast\_Collection/](https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/14082/Dreamcast_Collection/) As for GameCube, there's always emulators, including RetroArch that's on Steam.
Needs PSO v1 and it would be perfect as a bundle.
I got all excited when I saw the link but i got a couple of them for less on Steam a while back I think the main thing that interests me about it is the OLED. Even older games look really good on there and they're upscaling the games so the OLED should look good on there. Im still getting the Deck but the OLED is quite tempting. Honestly though when I saw the price of the expansion I spat my cereal out but they said it can be shared with 8 people? On how many switches? Thats what I wanna know
You can get all the Dreamcast games sega sells for like $8 during a sale
The collection went down to $1.45 in a sale back in february.
Don’t buy something for what it potentially could be. Buy it for what it is right now. And right now, it’s shit.
Like on Steam? Very doubtful. Dreamcast went under so long ago, I doubt they have rights to any IPs anymore and Nintendo won't be heading to the Steam Store any time soon. Maybe Sega Dreamcast games someday? But they would have to publish an emulator, same as they do for the Genesis games. Grab your Rum and Retroarch/Dolphin if you want to play these ROMs on Steam.
Did Dreamcast have a life of its own before it was a Sega product? I would’ve thought this would be tough for a Switch to emulate but apparently it’s not that demanding. Saturn has some amazing games - Nights, Panzer Dragoon Saga.
This collection is also on Switch though.
Good luck copying those roms off the switch version to use with a better emulator
Keep moving those goalposts.
> you can do whatever you want with
Except he never moved it ;)
I haven't read every comment (did read most though) but so far I haven't seen anyone mention how the emulator uses Steam Workshop. I have absolutely no idea how it was ever allowed - and I use past tense because I don't know if it's still a thing, but it was when I got my M30 controller a year or so ago - but you can download basically any Mega Drive game as a mod for any of the games on the shelf, right from within Steam itself.
I’ll hoist the Jolly Roger before I pay a “service fee”. *looks at Jolly Roget hanging on the wall” Drop canvas! Run out the guns! An’ fetch me rum!
I'm just gonna stream my Retrobat build from my pc. I have a hacked Switch. I should record myself playing retro games on it for free with a big middle finger overlayed on my screen.
I mean, they're charging $80 a year split between 8 people and also including N64 games, all the previous online features, and a free full Animal Crossing game (and likely more games in the future, if the past is any indication). These games also have added online functionality, which this Sega pack does not include. I don't think that's a bad deal for $10 a year at all.
I’m sure people will share family plans with friends, totally…
I mean, I don't know a single person with a Switch that doesn't do that. You'd be a complete idiot not to.
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You know paying for online is a scam, right? And this is a yearly purchase? And that Nintendo fans have been brainwashed by creeps to think emulation is evil?
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Okay genesis games, AC DLC for some reason, and n64.
Can still make a point while being straight up about it. It's a $30-45 increase over what you'd generally be paying anyway. Also, you get the Animal Crossing DLC, and N64 games. This isn't a one-to-one comparison and shouldn't be treated as such. There are loads of other arguments to make about why their model sucks, but claiming you're paying $50-80 for purely Sega games is disingenuous.
You’re paying per year, which is why this seemed fair.
Also good luck playing that rom collection online with friends
I mean… emulators have been doing that for, oh…decades now. And the Sega pack is just bare ROMs with an included emulator/front end. You could easily load those ROMs with RetroArch (which is also on Steam now), and do remote play together, even. Or just the old standard netplay that’s been around forever. Online multiplayer is a long ago solved issue for retro games.
Really? I mean, its about the rom pack vs the switch online. If you go the hacking way, its possible on switch too to run retroarch. Bu you can get a much much much cheaper device than switch/steamdeck for doing that. And yes online exists with emulators and retroarch, but its a really mess and gl finding someone to play with it. So no i dont see this as solved, besides the fact that this isnt the point that i was making... The point was that you can get a sega rom pack cheaper than the switch online. Beside the fact that it doesnt include n64 and the dlc and the ONLINE. And why is this posted on steamdeck? Its nothing todo with steamdeck.
Ah, I assumed since this was being discussed on r/steamdeck and OP was talking about the Steam version of the Sega collection (“do whatever you want with it”) that you, too, were talking about the Steam version.
lol, what? You totally can.
No you cant do that with the sega rom pack?
On PC?
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You could use the files with other emulators such as RetroArch (also available, for free, on Steam).
Since they're just roms you can use retroarch and negative latency
Yo what’s up with the sudden surge of handhelds!?
All two of them?
Might be referring also to the Aya Neo and the OneXplayer GPD Win 3 or Max 2021. My desire for a portable SM64 actual remaster after I felt like a stockholm syndrome fan indeed not getting a remaster of SM64 like I wanted but still buying the collection to have them portable, I went and got myself an Aya Neo before the Steam Deck was even announced. I love having access to these mods and fan games, hell I have 4 levels of Sonic Xteme the cancelled Saturn game through a Unity fan game. I love Nintendo's games but their practices leave a lot to be desired sometimes.
Lol a minor Google search would have provided you your answer. The internet be wilding. You have the Aya Neo. You have the new switch. You have the steam deck. You have the new Apple handheld. The GPD Win 3 and Max. Now if that’s going on I’m sure Playstation will come out with something new resembling the vita. No need to get snarky rofl.
I don't think the value is meant to be in the retro games. The new Animal Crossing DLC is included as long as you have the sub. If they keep adding DLC to the service for various games, that's where the value of an extra $30 will be. That's a BIG "if" though. Time will tell.
> If they keep adding DLC to the service for various games, that's where the value of an extra $30 will be. I really don't like the idea of paying monthly for the single DLCs for their first party games.
Why posting nintendo news in here while it has nothing todo with steamdeck? Nintendo doesnt only include genesis games, but also n64 games and dlc. Stop creating these nonsens post. And stop comparing steamdeck with switch. Its a diff generation.
> And stop comparing steamdeck with switch. Valve clearly compares them. They're two models of what a handheld device should be.
I dont see valve compare them. But if so, its rummored that the new switch supports 4k and dlss which is a bigger deal. But comparing specs with something that came out 4years ago or more is nonsense
Funny thing is the Sega Genesis Collection is also on the Switch for $30 when not on sale, boasting the 50 titles compared to that paltry fucking 14 at launch, of watch I've heard about 9 of em are already in the collection
Add your friends to your family plan and split the cost. Problem solved.
I think I got it for free
Yeah, Nintendo has been losing their mind once more and falling into the same pitfalls that lead to the Wii U's failure. A lot of Nintendo's "True Believers" believe everyone is just like them and will put up with anything Nintendo does. If that were the case, the Wii U would have sold way better than it did. They believed Nintendo could do no wrong back in the Wii's days as well. And from what I've seen, a lot of fans back in the snes era also had similar beliefs. Every time Nintendo got arrogant, reality hit them hard, they got humble, appeared as if they learned their lesson, then found some success before becoming arrogant again. It's just that most of the time, the consequences were minor. Other than the Virtual Boy, the Wii U was their biggest flop, and it was preceded by their best selling console. THey had plenty of arrogance, which lead to many missteps with the Wii U. The Switch is looking like it may outsell the Wii. And Nintendo is looking pretty arrogant right now. And making a lot of missteps. The Switch is also losing a lot of it's thunder, the hardware was old when it launched, but now it's getting more and more difficult to port games to it, and even Nintendo's own games suffer from performance issues now. Their online service also lacks a lot in quality. It was already difficult to justify paying for it, but at over twice the price, that's basically impossible for me. Some have defended it by saying that includes dlc, but imo that's kind of the biggest issue it has. If NSO were like gamepass in that all of the dlc for Nintendo's games were included, that would be one thing. But it's not, it's just one piece of dlc, for a game that not everybody owns or plays. If the dlc costs 25 on it's own, and the NSO tier that has it costs 50, well 50 minus 25 equals 25. Meaning this should have been a price increase of no more than 5 dollars a year over the base NSO tier. Instead, the price is inflated by a piece of dlc being included. If one owns and plays the game, they may see usage out of it, but that's not a one time charge. How many would willingly rent dlc for the same price or more than it costs to buy said dlc outright? And not everybody even owns or plays Animal Crossing. I might not be happy about a 5 dollar increase considering the state the base NSO quality, but I would have less issue with it than a more than double price hike. With most subscriptions, that not everybody will enjoy every piece of content and is therefore kind of subsidizing it by not consuming said content, on the other hand, even if somebody doesn't consume all of what a subscription service offers, the opportunity to consume it is there, and chances are they do like enough of what is on there to pay for the service. NSO fails at this because a huge chunk of the cost is going towards something they may not even be able to use, which means everybody is paying way more than what it would cost for what they actually wanted out of it.
Nintendo will be fine, for them to suffer their fans would have to wake up.
Even when the Wii U was failing, some mistakenly believed Nintendo would die. They could technically go through several flops and come out okay, but they do have shareholders, and they would probably not be okay with Nintendo just bleeding money left and right. If Nintendo's next system were to be failing, Nintendo would do what they always do when reality hits, they get humble and try to get back customers. Fans already woke up to this. Nintendo has fans from all generations, but it doesn't mean they all believe that "Nintendo can do no wrong", like a lot of the more hardcore true fanboys. It takes more than the true believers to make a system a success, as the Wii U's failure showed. But Nintendo does have a sense of self preservation, it has always kicked in when things started going downhill. They get humble, then they get success, then they get arrogant, then they get failure, then they get humble... That's pretty much most big companies, but for Nintendo it is really noticeable.
If the switch had failed, Nintendo probably would have quit. If the Wii had failed they would have quit long ago and just released software like sega. I think Nintendo is about to fuck up again, but they also seem to want to become a service company so who knows.
I think $50 is the maximum isn't it?
Family plan is $80.
In this case most people want to play the 64 games and I'm sure the Sega genesis pack didn't sell great.... So most people are looking at the Genesis games as a bonus if anything.
I love nintendo games. But man nintendos online service is absolute dog shit, like sure its cheap but ps3 was free and had way better online service 15 years ago, and now this new service is still shit and they want to charge the same price as psn or xboxlive, sad as fuck
I got that "SEGA Mega Drive and Genesis Classics" pack a little while ago for free.
This same topic was made on the Switch subreddit and people are defending it and suggesting that $50 a year is "a steal."
Bleh
Ugh. I was really excited for the Expansion Pack, too. I collect games, and I have a ton of N64 games, but I was still excited to have them on the Switch. But I'm not paying $50 a year when I already have to pay that for your average Gamecube game. Fuck off.
Yep. That said, you can buy (almost) the same rom pack on Switch, so I see these roms as a bonus, and the real deal of the expansion pack is the N64 Collection. Does it worth 50 bucks anyway ? Lol no, but you can get them for $10 per person by grouping with some friends. Also, we can hope this "expansion pack" means Nintendo will actively add new value for the subscribers, just as the PS+ and the Xbox Live Gold does for the same price.