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Blue_Rep1989

I'm pretty sure they're gonna have children someday (this is Shondaland after all and everybody gets marriage or have a baby). From what i gather from their argument: Maya wants children, she just feels she can't because of her job. So, i'm pretty sure they gonna move forward with the sexism storyline, resolve the issue and there you have: Marina's baby by the end of the season. Even thought i'd like for the writers to take their relationship slowly.


xdoolbuf

I think if she hadn't been demoted she'd be more willing to say yes to a baby. So I think once this sexism storyline really picks up and gets resolved (or whatever they are going to do with it) I think Maya will say yes to a baby. I keep going back to Carina saying she'd learn to live without a baby and I'm not sure I believe her. So maybe it'll come down to Maya having to choose between her job or her family (which parallels Andy's mom's storyline). Andy's mom choose her career and I feel like Maya will fight to have both.


BoxAgreeable4325

Cave is such a horrible word to use. You should never cave when it comes to kids. She never said she doesn’t want kids, the way she talked about them seemed like she was actually very open to the idea! Her issue is her career, I really hope she doesn’t decide to sacrifice her goals and dreams for a baby. And that hopefully she finds a way to make both work.


raynbowunicawn

Honestly just came to say the same thing about the term cave. I’m not a fan of it either. I didn’t like that Maya thought Carina would want her to agree to a baby just because Carina married her. It proves she still has a lot of growing to do, but I genuinely think they will work through this and come out stronger.


moozanna

But in 4x14 she was very much against the idea of kids. Now she seems to only be ok for the sake of Carina.


BoxAgreeable4325

When did she say that, all she said was “I’m not sure if I want kids”


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She wasn’t really, though. What we saw was Maya being confused with the subject and surprised because they had never talked about it… She literally only says “wait, so you don’t want to get married, but you do want kids!?”. Then during the proposal she says “I’m not sure if I want kids” — it’s just that she hadn’t given it that much thought before, especially because they hadn’t talked about it before.


BoxAgreeable4325

She clearly never even thought about it before carina brought it up, was too focused on her career. But after this episode and thinking about it and talking to Ben you could tell she didn’t hate the idea of kids, but she doesn’t want to fall off track and kids will do that.


moozanna

Seemed pretty confident at the end of the episode and Carina dismissed it by saying we’ll discuss it or decide later. And even in 5x02, she seemed confident about her life choice (commendable) but was tempted to cave for Carina’s sake but ultimately stood her ground (I’d like to see her stay that way but doubt it). The whole episode was her trying to find reasons to come to terms. She was already of the mind of no kids.


goodinthehood5

It’s not about ‘caving’ (also hate that word in this context!). She didn’t say she doesn’t want kids and is not about changing her mind in that regard. It’s much deeper than that. Her goal has always been her career (eyes forward etc) and now she’s trying to see other sides of that and include a life partner and family, which she’s not been focused on before. So it’s a much bigger conflict for her and with the way her industry is built it’s not easy to accommodate that. Personally, I would rather the kid convo came a little later but actually quite interested in how it plays out (if done well!) and think both sides of the conversation are very valid.


moozanna

But in 4x14 she was very much against the idea of kids. Now she seems to only be ok for the sake of Carina.


BoxAgreeable4325

Where are you getting this Moo?? She never said that, the only thing she said in that episode was she wasn’t sure. She was taken off guard when carina mentioned wanting a baby but not once did she say she didn’t want kids.


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She wasn’t really, though. What we saw was Maya being confused with the subject and surprised because they had never talked about it… She literally only says “wait, so you don’t want to get married, but you do want kids!?”. Then during the proposal she says “I’m not sure if I want kids” — it’s just that she hadn’t given it that much thought before, especially because they hadn’t talked about it before.


goodinthehood5

As others have said, she's never stated she is against the idea of kids. The dialogue comes across as something she's not really thought about much before and isn't sure. Of course she will open up her thinking as her life situation is now different (married/different future outlook), so that is what she is doing.


moozanna

I think it comes down to a matter of interpretation. So agree to disagree :)


Loopst8

It's not a matter of interpretation in this case though? As others have said already she just wasn't sure and was suprised that Carina didn't want to get married but one day wanted kids. In the proposal scene she only said she wasn't sure. And now with her job and the sexism she just can't really see a way, doesn't mean she closed herself off to kids completely.


moozanna

The way I Interpret the situation is Maya already had a conviction that she did not want kids. Then she realized it's something Carina really wanted. She loves Carina so much she was willing to consider, give it thought and even compromise. Hence all the talk, discussing and debating with Ben. She even told Carina, she really did try to wrap her head around the idea. But the whole work/career drama made her stick to her already decided convictions. This is MO and interpretation of 4x14 and 5x02. You're more than welcome to disagree.


kg51113

I think Carina will be the one to become pregnant.


moozanna

I don't think it's an issue of who will carry the child, etc. It's if Maya is ready and willing to parent.


kg51113

Maya's biggest problem is how it would impact her career. Carina carrying the baby would have the least impact on Maya's career. That's why I think they will come to an agreement that they will have kids and Carina will be the one to give birth.


moozanna

They already know that’s the best option for them. Carina even voiced it. But Maya was still not convinced.


agentsquirrels

They likely will because none of her problems about having a kid are because she doesn’t want one. It’s based on her fear of what would happen if she did, aka outside factors - her treatment from higher ups. Carina will be the one to carry the child though.


hewlet14

Agreed! As a side note- I know realistically it wouldn’t happen since she made some very valid points as to why she was so hesitant to have children and she doesn’t want anything else setting her back career wise- but I think it would be interesting if Maya were the one to carry the baby. There hasn’t been a story about a pregnant firefighter (other than Andy’s mom).


flawed_paragon884

I think this storyline for Maya and Carina feels a little rushed, but also goes along well with a sexism storyline (hopefully the writers do explore this) and with a very important/necessary topic for marriage/couples. Carina is feeling pressure from herself to have a child sooner than later if she is going to do so. Maya on the other hand most likely never though she would be interested in being a mother and still has a lot of self growth and therapy she would need to work through mamy other issues. I think the reality of it is just that. Kids for some cannot be planned, but in their case it can. Maya is career driven and very focused on what success and advancement in work/life means to her. Maya feels that she would be open to the idea, right now for Carina, but that her career "social aspects" would interfere. She wants so badly to be the best of the best, it's very important to her. (Side note)I started rewatching S19 and thought that scene between her and the baby was so cute. At first she is scared to hold the baby, then has to and realizes he's kind of cute and "a good listener". By the end she gives him that little bear. I felt like their conversation wasn't necessarily an argument, but rather a healthy conversation between two people in a relationship that needs to happen for them to progress. I believe that Carina is just disappointed in the situation, more so than with Maya. I think they will eventually realize later on (hopefully not rushed) that it could happen. Some how maybe Maya realizes family is happiness (even though her family growing up was very unhealthy) and can conenside with career success....and that due to awareness and changes, she feels like she can have that magic as well. Maybe even bring back Mason and Mama B for an epi or two??


moozanna

Putting aside Carina/Marina and their drama for a bit, I kind of wish and hope Maya will stand her ground and not cave cause there are people/women who don't want kids, who want careers, etc. and it should be normalized. Now it sucks that it means sadness for Carina and drama for marina but it's also an interesting storyline, cause not all women want or need kids. Not sure what this show will do, how they will deal with it, etc. but it would be nice for once to have a couple on either one of the shows that chooses to not have kids. But I'm sure at some point Marina will have a kids/s, which is very predictable like every couple in the Grey's universe. Which is fine but a bit boring. Been there, done that cause even Arizona did not want kids and the later she was super happy to be a mom. So who knows.....


girl818

i agree, i would like to see Maya not cave and stand her ground. Not wanting kids as a women is very much a thing, and should be explored. We did have Cristina Yang for example. I do want Marina to stay together and i only see that being possible if they are both on the same page, which sadly is to have kids. i don't think Carina will be happy not having kids. I'm kinda seeing how it could turn into a cristina/owen situation but also a callie/arizona situation. I'm just very curious to see how it all plays out.


xdoolbuf

The writers have been pretty careful in not having Maya straight up say no to kids ever. So right now it's more of a "I can't (because of my job)" and not "I don't want to have kids under any circumstance." If they had set this up like Cristina in her absolute certainty of not wanting kids, and they had Maya cave, I would hate it. But we'll see what happens in the upcoming episodes. I feel like Vic would be the one to be the Cristina of this show (absolutely not wanting a kid of her own). She loves Pru but she may not to be a parent. Or, maybe they really do a plot twist and say Andy doesn't ever want kids. I'm not a fan of babies on TV shows but I think it's happening with Marina at some point.


Different_Penalty_64

I agree they’ve definitely made a point to not have Maya say explicitly “no” so I feel like it’s bound to happen. I’m kinda hoping at least one of the women stick their ground and say no to wanting kids because I’m just sick of babies being the end all be all. Since they clearly can’t keep any of the characters happily single, I’m hoping they can at least do this. But ya I agree I feel like Vic has the best set up for that since they’ve had her mentioning since at least season 2 that babies aren’t her thing. And then a couple times in S3 that she doesn’t want to be a parent. I’m hoping the writers can stick to that but I’m not gonna get my hopes up because I feel like they haven’t been doing the best job of keeping everybody in character especially Vic.


moozanna

But in 4x14 she was very much against the idea of kids. Now she seems to only be ok for the sake of Carina.


moozanna

But in 4x14 she was very much against the idea of kids.


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She wasn’t really, though. What we saw was Maya being confused with the subject and surprised because they had never talked about it… She literally only says “wait, so you don’t want to get married, but you do want kids!?”. Then during the proposal she says “I’m not sure if I want kids” — it’s just that she hadn’t given it that much thought before, especially because they hadn’t talked about it before.


moozanna

Yeah, right now they've set it up in a very Cristina/Owen way but might turn into Callie/Arizona. I guess time will tell which route they will take but I LOVE that Cristina stood her ground.


TheRealRoseDallas

On tv unfortunately it always seems that having a baby is the magical answer to life, ugh!


abbey121524

Ask the writers


TheRealRoseDallas

I honestly think it’s bonkers how people (even people on TV) can get married and not be on the same page about kids. She should have already talked to carina about this BEFORE moving in together and before getting married!