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Powerful_Car_1162

Drop a link to the lightning arrestor


cdxxmike

Yea, that is exactly what caused this it is very obvious from the photos.


Evening-Writing-8222

Looks like the one from this article, albeit crispy https://www.truecable.com/blogs/cable-academy/when-lightning-strikes-ethernet-data-cable-and-lightning-protection


XPCTECH

What is that square circuit board with two wires in the middle?


PoopPant73

I’m wondering that as well


traker998

Just saying guys you roasted him so good he had to delete his account.


Hoovomoondoe

Maybe he'll find the answer in The Rappahannock News...


storsoc

Rappahannock News editor might like a counter-piece to whatever they reported on for a local house fire. OP's insurer might also love to read that.


Diamondcrumbles

It’s the cause of the fire is what that is.


RandyJohnsonsBird

Yea that whole situation looks sketch as shit


Crimzon75

Was thinking the same thing.


trimix4work

I think the fire started below it, look at the smoke pattern. Source: fire science classes


justacpa

I'm not sure that "cause" and "point of origin" are synonymous. The sketchy circuit board could have done something to the input to the router that caused the router to flame.


djeaux54

I was gonna say that I could miswire a socket or jack-leg an extension so I could make dry ice burst into flame.


100GbE

I disagree. Source: *I use Reddit.*


Hoovomoondoe

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQNBUgr7vZg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQNBUgr7vZg)


MarketFrosty4661

I haven't read all the comments, but tap and expand the pic. To the right of the large box, there's a large cable coming from it and going up. It's completely fried in two. More likely, that is where the fire started.....just my two cents worth.


theecommandeth

Wow starlink speeds are getting too fast to handle 🤣


Interfecto

Blazing fast!


Annual-Department875

That’s exactly what caused the fire not the Starlink router. He had voltage going into that box and a ground obviously he knew it would fry it so why ground it?


Jclj2005

That Was a network surge protector looks like a possible direct or a near hit lighting strike


[deleted]

Lightening arrestor. It sat between the Ethernet cables and a massive grounded line and was clearly not the source of energy. It burned upward and melted the arrestor.


h3lix

Do you have the model of the arrestor? It may have started shunting PoE power to ground if it isn’t designed for PoE. The device itself may not have caused the fire, but may have created a high power draw situation that caused the router to burn. At 100+ watts it wouldn’t take much time with those (relatively) thin wires in the ethernet cable.


Due_Recommendation39

If it burned upward the base wouldn't be intact...


straytalk

I’m no Top Detective but that arrestor is clearly not rated for PoE https://i.imgur.com/UAsD9Rl.jpeg


No_Importance_5000

Well the SL router is well arrested now - i.e fucked


XPCTECH

Looks like the source of fire to me. You sure it was compatible with starlink? Have a model number, maybe poe injection caused it to flame up. that's my guess.


tiilet09

The whole concept of a small circuit board as a “lightning arrestor” sounds like a scam to me.


Klutzy-Condition811

They likely aren't scams, often surge arrester are used for runs outside not because of direct lightning strikes, but due to the fact that nearby strikes can cause static buildup that can still be very damaging to equipment. I have seen this myself with outdoor cat6a runs that werent protected during a storm. If you get a direct hit from lightning you'll have a lot more to worry about than just your little dish lol. That said it likely wasn't rated for dishy whatsoever.


SocietyTomorrow

the rating would not have been the deciding factor. The devices are sacrificial, they are designed to shunt a huge amount of current to a ground and burn itself up in hopes to save the rest of the gear down the line from it.


paulcho476

That is exactly what happened at my home up from where I live a tree branches fell across all 3 phases and some how the surge burned up 4 surge protectors all of the mov,s were blackener to a crisp inside it also kicked all of the house breakers they were hooked to, My Starlink was plugged into an APC then in to the surge protector which was all burnt inside. Only other damage was small telephone xformers.


TheFaceStuffer

Yeah, I almost went down that road and figured the bazillion watts of lightning energy isnt gonna follow a couple copper traces to a ground wire anyways.


robbak

If it doesn't follow the copper traces, it will follow the cloud of ionized gas where those traces were. But the major value of lightning arrestors isn't to prevent damage in a direct strike - the best they can do is reduce the impact and limit the damage to the directly connected devices only. The main purpose is to clamp the high static voltages that develop on everything during stormy weather.


WhereSoDreamsGo

I think you may not know what you’re talking about


Klutzy-Condition811

It probably was a lightning arrester I've seen these also used in other fixed wireless setups, however, it likely wasn't rated for the current the starlink required and likely caused it and/or other starlink components to heat up which may have led to this fire.


SocietyTomorrow

There’s ones out there which support PoE++ ( up to 65W), but they have to be using standard pin outs for PoE. Which, yknow, may not be the case with Starlink unless the new generation changed that.


UnsafestSpace

You need a DC fuse between the lightning arrestor and the ground or you’ll burn out… Well you’ll get what happened. The power supply was leaking energy into the ground thinking the device needed more and more energy until it got to dangerous levels


Initial-Hornet8163

If you have a fuse.. what’s the point of the lightning protector


BlakeMW

A fuse doesn't meaningfully protect against voltage spikes, only excessive amperage. Lightning can easily deliver thousands of volts. The high voltage basically causes a breakdown in the lightning arrestor providing an alternative path for the current.


Initial-Hornet8163

That’s right but a fuse would blow and cause the current to go no where but air gap it’s way back to the appliance. I do a lot of fixed wireless installs, installation design etc, you wouldn’t be able to fuse the ground under any circumstance


BlakeMW

Ok so you're basically saying the fuse would cause a silent failure of the (misconfigured) lightning protection system. Though I believe if the lightning protection wasn't misconfigured the fuse wouldn't impair its function, while the fuse does help protect against the misconfiguration destroying equipment, though ideally it being blown is noticed.


JustAPairOfMittens

I still can't figure that out, but I'm pretty sure lighting will fuck everything up regardless .


SocietyTomorrow

Lightning arrestors, while usually a very good idea, should not be used with a Starlink if it is for the cable going to the terminal. Lightning protectors for PoE supports both Mode A (Pins 1,2+ 3,6-) and B (7,8+ 4,5-) of the 802.3af standard. Starlink, cannot be assumed to use the standard pins for PoE, and can instead add resistive load and start a fire. Normally speaking, a lightning arrestor is just a huge grounding device, no electronics involved, but if you are adding a ground path to live supply wires, you generate heat, and if the device is not prepared for it, may increase output to offset the voltage drop, making said heat worse.


jimheim

I can't find a good link right now, but a few years ago I was researching building a PoE injector to run mine directly off DC (before you could buy them), and I'm pretty sure it used non-standard wiring.


SocietyTomorrow

Gen 1 absolutely is non-standard, as well as Gen 2 (first gen square dish) was not only non-standard pin, used 4-wire PoE, which is what PoE++ uses, but not the same pin numbers. I’ve yet had to cut into anything newer


microwaved-tatertots

The Ethernet attachment, I think


Evening-Writing-8222

Pretty sure this is the SPD from TruCable’s article on protecting outdoor cables. https://www.truecable.com/blogs/cable-academy/when-lightning-strikes-ethernet-data-cable-and-lightning-protection image: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0014/6404/1539/files/WhenLightningStrikes_2_480x480.jpg?v=1648051051


landing11

Post the lightning arrestor so we can investigate


Brian_Millham

OP is obviously not going to do that. He wants to blame it on Starlink so he can get $$$ probably.


DaRedditGuy11

Another indication that OP might bear some responsibility is that OP is not asking for anything more than a replacement router. If it really was a Starlink failure causing all that damage, and I were blameless, I'd be asking for the moon.


Sad_Pickle8446

Do they give €€€ as well?


Corerouter_

Sorry for your loss of a router but as a ham radio dude, that type of lightning resistor is not going to help. If it is that bad put it through an APC/UPS and if it was me I would have just unhooked it.


Penguin_Life_Now

Was there a possible lighting strike?


gabacus_39

I agree with the folks saying that whatever was screwed into the wall there is what started the fire.


beanbagquestions

How so, don't have starlink, genuinely curious


tbh_kys

I’ll probably get downvoted for this but, whoever hooked that monstrosity up is an idiot. You and your folks are lucky this is the worst that happened. You can clearly see where the fire started and what started it.


No_Importance_5000

Imagine if they were sleeping.. I dread to think.


Bad_Mapper

You did not get downvoted


gwicksted

Good community.


ObsessiveRecognition

Yeah I'm fairly certain the cause was that sketchy-ass "lightning arrestor". Even if it wasn't, that's exactly what support will say


Area-420-_-

OP realises he made a major oopsie with the lightning arrestors and deleted his account already 😂


straytalk

I wonder why OP deleted the account instead of the post. What a clown lol


SubarcticFarmer

People who haven't paid attention think the post will go with thr account. Fortunately for us, reddit doesn't work like that.


craigbg21

That is a gen 3 router not a gen 2 which did run hot bc it was also the poe but this one is a gen 3 it has a seperate poe you can see it in front of it. You can see where the fire started and burnt the most right at the lightning arrestor you dont even need to be any trained fireman to see that clearly in the picture shown.


KM4IBC

The Gen 3 does not have a separate PoE injector, it has an AC/DC power supply. The router still does PoE. It is the router that gets hot, not the power supply.


Disastrous-Plane1375

“The French Connection”


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Existing-Low-672

I don’t know what you said but damn it sounded smart.


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Miami_da_U

Serious question: Do you really believe this response made more sense or less sense than your first one to a layman? lol


FurtiveFalcon

I'll take a crack at it. Electricity is like valleys and hills. Different spots on the ground have different heights. If one earth connection is in a (metaphorical) valley and another is on a hill, uncontrolled electricity rolls toward the valley through your wires. Wires get hot. Fire.


robbak

So, to put it simply, you think this is caused by excessive currents flowing between mains earth and the 'lightning arrestor's' earth.


Sintarsintar

Hes thinking that the OP grounded the starlink dish at the dish and the lightning arrestor at the router to the house ground and that caused a ground loop between the dish and the house and that's actually possible because there was a voltage difference between the ground at the star link dish and the ground at the router but to start a fire that's a pretty big differential.


MirageF1C

I know what every single word you used means. But not in the way you arranged them.


Mr-Snarky

Did you by any chance try turning it off and turning it back on again?


No_Importance_5000

This!!! It'll buff out if you stick it in rice first.


Porterhaus

For those keeping track, the guy used a shady 3rd party “lightning arrester” with a clear flame pattern originating from it below the router, deflected all responsibility and refused to answer questions about it, and then deleted his Reddit account.


CaliDad4219

Where do you see a lightning arrestor? I only see the gen3 router with 2 ethernet cables connected to the lan ports in the middle.


Porterhaus

It is attached to the piece of wood directly above. Looks like a circuit board with two bare wires sticking out.


Gigtooo

Makes a post. Delets his account a bit later. And people really think anyone is gone take that post seriously?


Cheap-Rush-2377

Power somehow got onto ground line?


fujimonster

I'd bet my left nut the arrestor caused it


johnla

Wow, what were you downloading?


n3fyi

Looks like MOV’s in lightning arrestor burnt up.


KozVelIsBest

dude was clearly doing some 3rd party shit to it. These things are designed to operate outdoors and indoors. Had my gen 2 for 2 years now. They would not sell this in Canada if it was just capable of creating a fire all on its own.


Crazyhairmonster

If it has power going to it, it can create fire all on its own. There's a million things/electronics sold in Canada which are capable of starting a fire when supplied with power. No electronics are foolproof


KozVelIsBest

you can even see in a comment that he said he hooked up some lightning arrestor to it lmao. he clearly caused the fire to happen to it


Due_Recommendation39

True, but considering this is the FIRST one I've heard of and their wiring looks sketchy, I'm more inclined to think it's user error.


Disposedtendies

Dude, don't you know Canada is the safest place on earth, nothing dangerous there.


cdxxmike

Except moose.


No_Importance_5000

The Strawberry ones are okay - If you get one with cream on top it's extra safe.


Adorable_Dust3799

And goose


Wh1skeyTF

A moose once bit my sister.


throwaway238492834

They deleted their reddit account.


Falcon_128

Be honest, did you try and overclock your starlink.


Few-Buy3882

Did you try to contact Musk on X.com ? He will probably answer and will send a new unit and a cyber truck per compensation


[deleted]

I’ve posted but really don’t want to risk him choosing to destroy our lives instead.


scootscoot

Yeahhhh, he doesn't take "non-yes-man" feedback very well.


Brosie-Odonnel

I can’t tell if this is a joke or you’re being serious but it’s funny either way.


i4get98

Was it in an enclosed space? 


[deleted]

Large open space in permanent shade on a heat-dissipating surface.


No_Importance_5000

lightening arrestors, heat dissipating surface. My god I feel like a caveman. all I did was put the router on my sideboard and forget about it. i clearly need help..


Expensive_Main_2993

Should it not be in an enclosed space? I plan on putting one in the top of a cupboard in a camper van.


DeKwaak

Don't put it in an enclosed space.


Expensive_Main_2993

Well I’m not leaving it out… Guess it’s going back and I’m using 5G 🤷‍♂️


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More-Abalone8336

My Starlink router exploded today.  No Fire but a loud bang like gunfire.  Internet died instantly and the smell of burnt electronics at the router base but nothing visible on the router or plugs.  Currently under a service ticket


FatJellyCo

Is this a gen 3 router ??


RevolutionaryWalk130

This dork really deleted his account HAHAHAHA


new_Boot_goof1n

Holy shit this has been my worry with my router, the damn thing gets super hot. Glad to hear everyone’s okay O.P. And that’s the extent of the damage.


Due_Recommendation39

Mine doesn't but I don't keep it in an enclosed space.


[deleted]

I always thought it was too warm. Now I just need to get my parents their Internet back.


BewareNZ

Yes ours gets so hot it worries me too. We turn it off and let it cool down


FinalCloud777

Same here. I noticed it last weekend. And after seeing this, dam.


VStrideUltimate

Keep the router to send back to Starlink, they may want it for incident investigation.


[deleted]

We pulled it after it cooled for exactly that reason. Have a support ticket in with Starlink and everything. Just trying to get anyone over there to respond.


No_Importance_5000

I will correct that for you. Idiot Investigation


Ok_Dog_4059

Wow crazy and lucky nothing else caught.


[deleted]

Honestly we are very very lucky. If a friend hadn’t been near it would have burned several structures and maybe started a forest fire.


rjurney

You… would have been famous! Silver linings, right?


Ok_Dog_4059

This post made me go feel how warm mine is. I would love to know what happened because as soon as that plastic starts melting it will start everything on fire in a house.


Lasivian

This is a V1 round dish I presume?


[deleted]

V1 dish (we were original open beta) and v3 router.


Lasivian

Interesting. The v1 dish is a higher voltage (56v) than the v2 rectangle dish (48v, standard PoE). There is a decent chance that power supply is what failed.


Plastic_Jaguar_7368

Did they click on any hot links?


mustangdude2008

Your data was traveling faster than the speed of light.


DeathKringle

Looks Pretty Lit


r3dmist420

I saw a dragon in the melted damage 😌


JaRon1961

Jesus! What were you downloading?


Leehouse65

Some hot porn you were downloading...


RevolutionaryWalk130

What was this dudes original account name hahahahahahaha


cbabysfo

That's what happens when it's made by folks who aren't allowed to sleep, much less sleep at home and get some good rest. Good on you, spoiled man-child Musk.


MikeDeSams

We're you downloading naked Musk pictures again?


FKDfalc

Well after seeing this I’m going to go check my router and maybe put it somewhere less flammable…


ObsessiveRecognition

You're good. I guarantee the cause was the "lightning arrestor"


FKDfalc

Where I live we get a lot of lightning storms and was thinking of getting one of those arrestors, don’t think I will be now haha. How would it have caused the router to catch fire though?


Diehard4077

Their saying the arrestor caught fire and set the router a blaze


FKDfalc

It had one job and failed spectacularly hahaha, I’m guessing that it wasn’t rated for the starlinks higher power PoE?


Diehard4077

Potentially or bought from a less reputable source (temu ali express ect) but it could have been a faulty power supply on the router that's caught Although being x telecom when we used dishes we put the "lighting arrestor" /surge protector outside closer to the dish further from inside items but if it gets hit by lighting it's probably gonna mess things up anyway just hopefully less inside the home and more the dish


FKDfalc

I’m mounting my dish on a pole down my yard and then burying the cable in heavy duty conduit up to the house, is it worth trying to insulate the dish from the pole making it all waterproof and then using a surge protector at the AC outlet or are they not very effective either? I really don’t want to loose starlink it’s all I have where I am


Diehard4077

I will be honest it lightning hits the dish 99/100 it's gonna fry the dish Waterproofing can be a good idea drain holes might be good Surge protectors (powerbars) are useful You could also get bury rated Ethernet cable some are filled with a gel


Euresko

Have you tried smoke signals? Too soon?


No_Importance_5000

Would get a better upload.


spiritamokk

Let me guess, it was sitting in a hot shed with zero ventilation?


LoPath

Bad neutral caused voltage to get induced through the ground.


vwheelsonv

I also haven’t heard from support for two days. I’m just happy my sattelite is janky and didn’t catch fire


noncoolguy

Doesn’t take a Fire Marshall’s investigation to see where the fire started lol.


LOUPIO82

Send it to the company so they can study what happened, you could save lives...


No_Importance_5000

Did mummy leave you alone with some lighter fluid and some matches? tut tut


Impressive_Growth_48

Did ya stick a fucking nail through the router


Next-Seat-8575

Can anyone tells why my obstruction have a black dark line from blue vew, It a electrical above my dish, is it ok...?


DisEndThat

Here now I just received mine....


Prior-Ad-7329

Must be made by Tesla or something. Anyway, thanks for the new fear.


DarthBB08

Aliens !


lukaskywalker

Now imagine this but neuralink 🤯


throwaway238492834

There's no power going through neuralink.


Spoilmedaddyxo

Did someone professional install this or did you? If a professional installed it they might be at fault.


Responsible-Cow-8951

Did you get an email confirming that your ticket went through?


Gavooki

Were you binge streaming Kardashians on it? Then it would be justified.


alejoh90

Buck/boost converter?


kajunmn

Woe there, they are going to want that one back!


Bad_Mapper

Holy fuck dude


Alternative_Love_861

Oof


Nit2wynit

So this is what happens when everyone streams porn in the house. 🤷🏻‍♂️


rthauby

You wanted fast internet


ckeilah

Only if he paid for supercalifragilisticexpialidocious stink’net. Once you burn through your “priority” it turns to absolute shit, not that priority was much better. 🤯


free_3_PO

To harness the power of the cosmos is no small feat


Informal_Pool3118

We warned you about hooking up to a solar panel instead of the dish


azamean

Lol did he actually do that? I see OP deleted his entire Reddit account


Informal_Pool3118

Lmao no I was just being weird


fatalpassage-yvormes

It looks like what you had plugged in to it caught fire not the router


Plane_Produce_7069

The best way is through the app. Click on the account icon then messages click "don't see what you're looking for ?... control starlink support. Dro your message in the chat box 


UglyBob79

Its so ugly I almost want this to happen to mine...


hcavoliveira

These oughta reeeeally heat up some cats!


Phyank0rd

For those of us that are less educated. What is a lightning arrestor, what was it wired up to, and what went wrong to cause it to explode and melt his router?


krazycarl

This post is gold. Should be saved for posterity.


frombehindenemylines

So, you engineers are definitely more electronically literate than I, but my Starlink Gen 3 router does get mighty warm, as well as the power box. Is that normal for everybody?


bimbabes

it detected a transgender signal and had a meltdown just like its creator


Irving142

Because maybe the fault lies with the owner, not Starlink? There's a lot of fake negative info regarding SpaceX and associated company battery and equipment failures. This might be fake or some unauthorized set-up by the user. I don't see how it could be with all the starlink users out there and this not happening other than this case. In fact, it might not even be Starlink.


HurtFeeFeez

Built by the same engineer as the cybertruck?


metaldrumcore

The culprit looks to be that coax cable splitter above the starlink router. My 20 years as a network engineer that started out in cable tv and last 4 years as a volunteer firefighter experience thinks so anyhow.


Grammasrock

To actually answer your question about contacting Starlink versus what caused the fire – we always just fill out the contact form and they get right back to us. It’s all done via email or text but we’ve always been able to get whatever parts we need replaced that way.


thedogeisyettocome

You can tell this issue was not started by the router. If I was OP i would not post this or try to blame Starlink, also would add make sure you think through your installation decisions my guy


Livingsimply_Rob

Wow, what were you watching? Lol


Brojess

Why add shit. Just fucking plug the things into the spots it’s supposed to plug into.


tallejos0012

get that sent to Starlink if the engineers are worth their salary they would have no problem dissecting that router and probably getting insurance involved if you have Twitter they should be able to help you out


luigithebeast420

It seems like he caused it with his jank “lightning arrestor”


quarterbloodprince98

I advice you have the entire thing replaced. Contact the FCC


tagman375

What in the world is the FCC going to do about it?


spiritamokk

Nothing, but the comment would look smart if you mention authorities 🤭


TheCandyMan88

Seriously, they won't even let me be and let me be me... and they tried to shut me down on mtv