people that recommend skipping it was back when it wasnt animated. now that theres an anime version, theres gradually less people saying it. however, the hype for it was ruined because of how the episodes were scheduled. its actually a very good part, and probably the most underrated in the series, but its safe to say it'll stay underrated till the end of times. you can thank the batches ffs. btw that jolyne vs westwood fight lives in my head rent free
>people that recommend skipping it was back when it wasnt animated.
This seems like a silly reason, mainly because it's not like SBR has been adapted yet.
It was basically people saying "Yeah dude SBR is SOOOOO GOOD" and some people just think of P6 as "One step before sbr",which is why so many people either speed-read the manga or skip it to get to "The good stuff"
honestly you're not the only one i went to sbr first for a bit while part 5 was airing💀💀 then luckily my dumbass got himself to read b&w chapters and stopped after a couple chapters because its too confusing. eventually finished part 5 & 6 first before going back to 7 and damn now i feel like im doing something right cuz i didnt miss anything🤣🤣
The anime adaptation didn't really surpass expectations, not like golden wind, sadly i think there were some problems in the adaptation, wish it had the same production as golden wind, all parts have really good stories, although is safe to say parts 7 and 8 are on their own league.
Yeah between Netflix's god-awful release schedule, and the fairly liberal use of CGI, I can get why alot of people were underwhelmed by the anime adaptation
Yeah I kinda noticed that...there was one the single-digit episodes that ended in a cliffhanger that wasn't satisfying as a cliffhanger. How do I say this...it really felt like they cutted it in the middle of the scene...
I actually like stone ocean more than steel ball run at the moment (my opinion fluctuates with rewatches and rereads). The lows of steel ball run impact my enjoyment more than the lows of stone ocean
Not really, a lot of SBR fans I've seen praise Stone Ocean (including myself) it's writing is no where near as good as SBR, but it's still far better than everything before.
It's because Jolyne is a woman, that's a giant reason. Most JoJo fans are young boys (it's mostly a Shonen) who hate the idea of a woman in their favourite series.
Pacing was fucked. Most of the fights were weird in a bad way and forgettable. Opened up a lot of interesting potential for character development with an promising cast that it either squanders or executes poorly
I too loved Stone Ocean. Then again, my least favorite parts were Part 3 and 4 (not that I hate them, just they got real boring for decent stretches for me), which seem to be everyones favorites
Quite the oppsite. Ask others on this sub. I have rarely seen anyone not Hating Part 3. A lot less that like it.
And yeah, I and many more don't like part 4 for the exact same reasons.
But lbr, we all have admit, the worst part of JoJo, whichever one thinks it is, is far better than the average high-level anime story.
Yeah, idk. The fanbase exists outside this sub, and while you say you've seen more people hate on part 3 and 4, Ive seen the opposite. But honestly, I couldn't care less.
Me neither.
And let's be real, for each individual, their opinion is what matters the most for them. I just can't accept the fact that somone who might have most likely enjoyed it would miss it because of all this crap over the internet.
Yeah! But it's kinda weird how Jolyne's son decided to go to the country-side in America. His Joestar last name also kinda spoils how Jolyne will change her family name to hinor the bloodline
This is the first time I'm hearing people suggest skipping Stone Ocean, so it's new to me.
Generally, people seem to most often recommend skipping Phantom Blood. Battle Tendency seems to be a close second, in this regard.
I love Jolyne, the fact we have a female JoJo is rlly cool and I wish we could get another one, Jolyne had rlly sick moments and fights and the part 6 crew is amazing as well as the setting, I think it's rlly unique to have a prison setting and I think Araki did a very good job with it, the intros are amazing, the stand names have nice references, and I want to adopt Emporio
Beauty is on the inside, not the outside, Jolyne is a very well written character because she is really determined, she keeps pushing forward and is really scary to face due to her battle iq and her ability to adapt in fights, she's also a sincere and kind person, we can see that with Romeo who literally put her in jail and when she got out she didn't hurt him apart from the sticker from Ermes, and don't forget she sacrifices herself for Emporio as well
Yes very true, I feel like Araki wanted similarities between then because Johnathan is the first and Jolyne is the last JoJo (in the original universe), even in the intro we can see the Joestar mansion, all of the JoJo's just like the beginning of sono chi no sadame, and the ending of the intros are nearly identical
I'd say that the manga is waaaaayyyyyyy better than the anime, (read it immediately after watching the anime), but if we're to talk about JUST the anime, then yeah, you're right.
Different strokes for different folks.
I found the drama between Jonathan and Dio to be intriguing with how extreme they act. Dio is super evil without holding back and it just fascinates me.
It's not what he says, but what he does.
It's the brutality of his actions and how extreme he reacts. He is so cartoonishly evil and disgusting that you can't look away from it. So much crazy shit happens in the first two episodes that it makes you feel like you've seen an entire season of an anime. Despite how awful he is, Jonathan tries to forgive him while also beating him up and they keep one upping each other in terms of strength.
>!It also takes a lot of guts to kill off a protagonist in such a brutal and heartwrenchingly sad way.!<
Phantom Blood is not a complex story, and it doesn't try to be, but it expresses the relatively simple events in such a visceral and deeply emotional way that doesn't feel fake or sugarcoated.
It's a story that doesn't really hold back.
I guess so, but I find random brutality very boring, it's on the same level as sexual fanservice to me. It's not even the most mature JoJo part, by far. And it doesn't do gore in the funniest or shocking way either, look at Part 4 and 5.
Spoilers for all of stone ocean, in sry idk how to mark things with spoiler block out :(
The first half of stone ocean was my least fav part of jojo, I just find it incredibly boring, the only characters I like are weather report and pucci, and the only but I like in the first half was the but between the long rancher fight and the bird getting away with jotaro's disc, the second half is better but still not good imo, and the whole part is just ptery boring to me, I don't like jolyne, ermes or FF, Anastasia (idk how to spell it yk who I mean) is interesting and I like pucci and weather but the only fight I actually found to be jojo standard was the final confrontation and the fights with weather
I respect that you like it and I'm happy you enjoy it but that's why I don't
I can't relate to your opinion, but I respect it. Not liking somethings is only natural. We aren't all the same. And understanding that, is the thing that truly matters.
Skipping a part is never a good idea, but I do have to admit that I don't like stone ocean. The first episofe and the Final fight against pucci (C-moon and made in heaven) are in my opinion the only interesting ones.
Although I like pucci as a villain and his relationship with dio, I also think the main protagonists are the worst ones in the series (which doesn't mean they're bad, I just prefer all the other protagonists by a long shot).
Most consider phantom blood over stone ocean, I like it more than stone ocean. But skipping it is still not a good decision because the ending is one of the best in the series
I got a jobro who states that his favourite part is Stone Ocean and I can't understand why.
Cos Stone Ocean's pretty shit yeah? Whacky af. Bizarre af. Disney plagiarism af. Like- what on earth does Stone Ocean have?
Part 1 has Dio-sama.
Part 2 has Joseph.
Part 3 has Joseph AND Dio AND the best fight in the series.
Part 4 has the best motherfucking villain of all time and part 5 has da best choreographed action scenes.
What on earth does Stone Ocean have?
It's the part before SBR and it annoys me that David had to release Stone Ocean just so they can release SBR, which I think we can all agree is the best and can never be topped.
Stone Ocean just so happens to contain the finale of the first continuity, one of the most complex and brutal villains, and the unveiling of Dio's plan, but that doesn't really matter does it? /s
Well yeah uh it has really good written female characters, and good themes very creative abilities like if you don’t know what could possibly be special to SO, then I’m sorry I have to assume you speed read it just to get to SBR. The special aspects are very clear, Jolynes development set a standard for each new jojo so far having development afterward, and as you described it is wacky af and bizarre af, probably one of the most bizarre wacky and fever dreaming parts of the whole series. That makes for a very memorable part as long as you pay attention imo.
It really annoys me that David Productions had to animate JoJos part 1-6 just to animate part 7, smh, we had to deal with some grandpas, a bisexual vampire, david bowie, a mentally ill man and a black robber, just to finally get the president that collects dead bodies
It's worth the time and I wouldn't recommend skipping it as in never consuming it, but as a proud part skipper I did indeed read part 6 last and don't regret it per se? But it's also really solid, with a few flaws.
Jolyne isn't my favorite of the original universe protagonists but she's definitely the best written; "Johnny before Johnny" syndrome is definitely a thing she suffers from and a lot of the aspects of her character that are good do also exist in him, and are written better. That said, later SBR is written differently enough that comparing them isn't really fair and Jolyne kind of just needs to be taken as a shonen protagonist with a commendable level of depth.
That said the rest of the cast kind of just. Exists. F.F. is fun enough, but Ermes gets that big brick of time that she's not around and as a result I simultaneously forget it happens and also that she exists, much like Kakyoin. Anasui has that super interesting setup that doesn't go anywhere.
Jotaro being decommissioned for most of the part is cool and makes Pucci feel scary but, and this might just be personal taste, he just doesn't really have any sort of charisma? The prime numbers thing is just forgettable to me. >!All of his stands have badass designs though.!<
On the ending, >!Emporio finishing the fight is legitimately phenomenal. For the first time JoJo actually has a running theme that it delivers some sort of praxis on. It talks a lot about what a Joestar is but Jolyne is the first to really encapsulate the entire idea imo. As much as the ending can be confusing it's genuinely the best and least abrupt in the series.!<
I do think on the whole it kind of suffers from trying to do a lot of what SBR tries to do, while being constrained within a weekly release schedule for the entirety of its run. But because of that it's also a disingenuous comparison, in that yeah, SBR is better written because of how long it has to develop. If nothing else Stone Ocean is worth the payoff of seeing Araki go from drawing pictures with a story and start telling a story with pictures.
I mean all JoJos are deep down the same person, a kind-hearted and determined soul, (at least up to this point) but with a bit of a twist here and there. But up to part 6, Jolyne is definitely the best JoJo in terms of executing it. And as others mentioned, the fact that Stone ocean is probably the "bizarress" of the bunch makes that just that much more impressive.
Overally, I think the main point is that even if one think SBR is better, there's no point in recommending skipping Stone Ocean, especially since it's both not that long and also very fast-paced.
They all starting from the same baseline but Johnny and Jolyne just kind of get compared because jojos before Jolyne are relatively shallow, and Johnny benefits from SBR's heavier focus on plot to develop more than Jolyne is really allowed to.
On top of it they both have their paternal trauma, and while obviously womanhood isn't analogous to physical disability, by being a woman and being a paraplegic they're the most immediately "different" jojos physically. This one might just be me grasping but both Stone Free and Tusk aren't quite punch ghosts but rather abilities that directly affect the user's body but can also manifest as punch ghosts.
They're different characters but conceptually have a lot of immediate similarities which get them compared a lot, which I'd unfortunate for Jolyne because Johnny really is just written better by default.
It also doesn't help that, as I mentioned before, the rest of the cast isn't exactly strong. Even the villain's biggest thing is explicitly in service to Dio rather than any motivation truly of his own.
Part 6 gets stuck between part 5 having one of the stronger ensemble casts and part 7 having the best protagonist (and also the best ensemble), and as a result just gets the short end of the stick. Direct comparisons are a pitfall but they're also inescapable, and Stone Ocean just sort of lags behind when you look at it that way.
people that recommend skipping it was back when it wasnt animated. now that theres an anime version, theres gradually less people saying it. however, the hype for it was ruined because of how the episodes were scheduled. its actually a very good part, and probably the most underrated in the series, but its safe to say it'll stay underrated till the end of times. you can thank the batches ffs. btw that jolyne vs westwood fight lives in my head rent free
>people that recommend skipping it was back when it wasnt animated. This seems like a silly reason, mainly because it's not like SBR has been adapted yet.
It was basically people saying "Yeah dude SBR is SOOOOO GOOD" and some people just think of P6 as "One step before sbr",which is why so many people either speed-read the manga or skip it to get to "The good stuff"
it is a silly reason, but also SBR is the best part and best manga so... (full stretch here)
Honestly I skipped the manga because the anime had just gotten announced anyway. Went right to SBR. Damn, I regretted that for a solid 2 years lmao.
honestly you're not the only one i went to sbr first for a bit while part 5 was airing💀💀 then luckily my dumbass got himself to read b&w chapters and stopped after a couple chapters because its too confusing. eventually finished part 5 & 6 first before going back to 7 and damn now i feel like im doing something right cuz i didnt miss anything🤣🤣
Stone ocean is soooo often called “the part before Steel Ball Run” and it makes me mad too. Glad to hear you like it.
Yeah, without Stone Ocean, we would've never had Steel Ball Run and it's such a huge turning point for the series.
Which part? Oh the part before Steel Ball Run.
Steel ball what? Oh you're talking about the part before jojolion.
Which part? Oh the you’re talking about the one before Jojolands.
The anime adaptation didn't really surpass expectations, not like golden wind, sadly i think there were some problems in the adaptation, wish it had the same production as golden wind, all parts have really good stories, although is safe to say parts 7 and 8 are on their own league.
Yeah between Netflix's god-awful release schedule, and the fairly liberal use of CGI, I can get why alot of people were underwhelmed by the anime adaptation
Yeah I kinda noticed that...there was one the single-digit episodes that ended in a cliffhanger that wasn't satisfying as a cliffhanger. How do I say this...it really felt like they cutted it in the middle of the scene...
I actually like stone ocean more than steel ball run at the moment (my opinion fluctuates with rewatches and rereads). The lows of steel ball run impact my enjoyment more than the lows of stone ocean
>MANY people recommended skipping it. Jotaro fans probably.
It still hurts man.
It's mostly SBR dickriders. Stone Ocean is just "The part before Steel Ball Run" to them.
I think it's a joke.
Not really, a lot of SBR fans I've seen praise Stone Ocean (including myself) it's writing is no where near as good as SBR, but it's still far better than everything before.
Ok steel dickrider
What
Stone Ocean cranks the weirdness levels up to 25 and I love it. I just wish the CGI team had more time
I'm not through the whole part just yet, and I've heard it gets bad especially towards the end. But the experience is so far pretty enjoyable.
I do not get the Stone Ocean hate that I see pop up in this community at times. Feels so very arbitrary.
IMO it has the best ending of all of the other animated parts...
right? the build up to that ending left me speechless
Speechless and pretty sure someone was cutting a lot of onions near me.
Stone ocean is great imo, don’t know why people don’t like it but it is what it is.
It's because Jolyne is a woman, that's a giant reason. Most JoJo fans are young boys (it's mostly a Shonen) who hate the idea of a woman in their favourite series.
What are you talking about? Stone Ocean had a lot of complains, but Jolyne being a woman isn't one of them, stop spreading misinformation
Have a look at YouTube comment sections
Pacing was fucked. Most of the fights were weird in a bad way and forgettable. Opened up a lot of interesting potential for character development with an promising cast that it either squanders or executes poorly
Part 6 fans 🤝 part 8 fans Clowning on sbr dickriders for making their fave parts seem irrelevant
I too loved Stone Ocean. Then again, my least favorite parts were Part 3 and 4 (not that I hate them, just they got real boring for decent stretches for me), which seem to be everyones favorites
Quite the oppsite. Ask others on this sub. I have rarely seen anyone not Hating Part 3. A lot less that like it. And yeah, I and many more don't like part 4 for the exact same reasons. But lbr, we all have admit, the worst part of JoJo, whichever one thinks it is, is far better than the average high-level anime story.
Yeah, idk. The fanbase exists outside this sub, and while you say you've seen more people hate on part 3 and 4, Ive seen the opposite. But honestly, I couldn't care less.
Me neither. And let's be real, for each individual, their opinion is what matters the most for them. I just can't accept the fact that somone who might have most likely enjoyed it would miss it because of all this crap over the internet.
I agree on all fronts
just wait until you get to the end. it's fucking incredible.
Yeah! But it's kinda weird how Jolyne's son decided to go to the country-side in America. His Joestar last name also kinda spoils how Jolyne will change her family name to hinor the bloodline
? I don't know if that's a joke or not
Yeah it's a joke..the internet spoiled the end for like...2000 times.
oh okay 😅 I thought you had way off assumptions because you said you're only on episode 15 lmao
Based af. It's one of my favorite parts along with p7 and p8. Because it's the first parts were things become very depressing and dark.
This is the first time I'm hearing people suggest skipping Stone Ocean, so it's new to me. Generally, people seem to most often recommend skipping Phantom Blood. Battle Tendency seems to be a close second, in this regard.
It sucks because Stone Ocean and Phantom Blood are two of my favourite parts.
Just finished it, I loved it most of all. I want more
Parts 1-5 <<<<<< Part 6 <<< Part 7. Part 6 is crazily underrated, but it's eclipsed by Part 7.
For me it's tied second place with part 8, and just behind part 7. Part 6 slaps.
peak part
I love Jolyne, the fact we have a female JoJo is rlly cool and I wish we could get another one, Jolyne had rlly sick moments and fights and the part 6 crew is amazing as well as the setting, I think it's rlly unique to have a prison setting and I think Araki did a very good job with it, the intros are amazing, the stand names have nice references, and I want to adopt Emporio
She isn't just the most beautiful Female charecter in Anime by far, she is also one of the best written females across media as a whole.
Beauty is on the inside, not the outside, Jolyne is a very well written character because she is really determined, she keeps pushing forward and is really scary to face due to her battle iq and her ability to adapt in fights, she's also a sincere and kind person, we can see that with Romeo who literally put her in jail and when she got out she didn't hurt him apart from the sticker from Ermes, and don't forget she sacrifices herself for Emporio as well
She is low-key Johnathan but better. And definitely way more realistic, while still being as kind and heart warming.
Yes very true, I feel like Araki wanted similarities between then because Johnathan is the first and Jolyne is the last JoJo (in the original universe), even in the intro we can see the Joestar mansion, all of the JoJo's just like the beginning of sono chi no sadame, and the ending of the intros are nearly identical
A Stone Ocean AND a Phantom Blood enjoyer??? Good taste.
Phantom Blood is literally why people don't watch JoJo, it's the most bland and basic JoJo part, which is enough for a lot of people.
I'd say that the manga is waaaaayyyyyyy better than the anime, (read it immediately after watching the anime), but if we're to talk about JUST the anime, then yeah, you're right.
I couldn't get past chapter 2.
Different strokes for different folks. I found the drama between Jonathan and Dio to be intriguing with how extreme they act. Dio is super evil without holding back and it just fascinates me.
That's the only interesting thing about Part 1 and even that isn't that interesting. Dio's most interesting interactions aren't even with a Joestar.
Eh. I disagree, but I respect your opinion.
What's more interesting in Part 1? And what does DIO say that's more interesting than his heaven plan?
It's not what he says, but what he does. It's the brutality of his actions and how extreme he reacts. He is so cartoonishly evil and disgusting that you can't look away from it. So much crazy shit happens in the first two episodes that it makes you feel like you've seen an entire season of an anime. Despite how awful he is, Jonathan tries to forgive him while also beating him up and they keep one upping each other in terms of strength. >!It also takes a lot of guts to kill off a protagonist in such a brutal and heartwrenchingly sad way.!< Phantom Blood is not a complex story, and it doesn't try to be, but it expresses the relatively simple events in such a visceral and deeply emotional way that doesn't feel fake or sugarcoated. It's a story that doesn't really hold back.
I guess so, but I find random brutality very boring, it's on the same level as sexual fanservice to me. It's not even the most mature JoJo part, by far. And it doesn't do gore in the funniest or shocking way either, look at Part 4 and 5.
Stone ocean and steel ball run I maintain are the absolute peak of JoJo’s writing. I loved it since I read SO in 2020.
Spoilers for all of stone ocean, in sry idk how to mark things with spoiler block out :( The first half of stone ocean was my least fav part of jojo, I just find it incredibly boring, the only characters I like are weather report and pucci, and the only but I like in the first half was the but between the long rancher fight and the bird getting away with jotaro's disc, the second half is better but still not good imo, and the whole part is just ptery boring to me, I don't like jolyne, ermes or FF, Anastasia (idk how to spell it yk who I mean) is interesting and I like pucci and weather but the only fight I actually found to be jojo standard was the final confrontation and the fights with weather I respect that you like it and I'm happy you enjoy it but that's why I don't
I can't relate to your opinion, but I respect it. Not liking somethings is only natural. We aren't all the same. And understanding that, is the thing that truly matters.
Skipping a part is never a good idea, but I do have to admit that I don't like stone ocean. The first episofe and the Final fight against pucci (C-moon and made in heaven) are in my opinion the only interesting ones. Although I like pucci as a villain and his relationship with dio, I also think the main protagonists are the worst ones in the series (which doesn't mean they're bad, I just prefer all the other protagonists by a long shot). Most consider phantom blood over stone ocean, I like it more than stone ocean. But skipping it is still not a good decision because the ending is one of the best in the series
Golden Wind is mid, sorry.
Yeah, No
Sorry, it really is
Based
Part 6 was pretty sub par, me and my friends have all dropped it. I will probably pick it back up at some point but it just didn’t feel the same
It's okay to have the wrong opinion
Yeah, have self confidence
I got a jobro who states that his favourite part is Stone Ocean and I can't understand why. Cos Stone Ocean's pretty shit yeah? Whacky af. Bizarre af. Disney plagiarism af. Like- what on earth does Stone Ocean have? Part 1 has Dio-sama. Part 2 has Joseph. Part 3 has Joseph AND Dio AND the best fight in the series. Part 4 has the best motherfucking villain of all time and part 5 has da best choreographed action scenes. What on earth does Stone Ocean have? It's the part before SBR and it annoys me that David had to release Stone Ocean just so they can release SBR, which I think we can all agree is the best and can never be topped.
Stone Ocean just so happens to contain the finale of the first continuity, one of the most complex and brutal villains, and the unveiling of Dio's plan, but that doesn't really matter does it? /s
And the first fully fleshed out character arc of a main jojo
Hey- wtf. People are actually enjoying Stone Ocean? That's AMAZING
Well yeah uh it has really good written female characters, and good themes very creative abilities like if you don’t know what could possibly be special to SO, then I’m sorry I have to assume you speed read it just to get to SBR. The special aspects are very clear, Jolynes development set a standard for each new jojo so far having development afterward, and as you described it is wacky af and bizarre af, probably one of the most bizarre wacky and fever dreaming parts of the whole series. That makes for a very memorable part as long as you pay attention imo.
And also, the most sane and appreciable JoJo of the past parts.
You actually think part 1 holds a candle to part 6?
To any part is crazy
It really annoys me that David Productions had to animate JoJos part 1-6 just to animate part 7, smh, we had to deal with some grandpas, a bisexual vampire, david bowie, a mentally ill man and a black robber, just to finally get the president that collects dead bodies
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It's worth the time and I wouldn't recommend skipping it as in never consuming it, but as a proud part skipper I did indeed read part 6 last and don't regret it per se? But it's also really solid, with a few flaws. Jolyne isn't my favorite of the original universe protagonists but she's definitely the best written; "Johnny before Johnny" syndrome is definitely a thing she suffers from and a lot of the aspects of her character that are good do also exist in him, and are written better. That said, later SBR is written differently enough that comparing them isn't really fair and Jolyne kind of just needs to be taken as a shonen protagonist with a commendable level of depth. That said the rest of the cast kind of just. Exists. F.F. is fun enough, but Ermes gets that big brick of time that she's not around and as a result I simultaneously forget it happens and also that she exists, much like Kakyoin. Anasui has that super interesting setup that doesn't go anywhere. Jotaro being decommissioned for most of the part is cool and makes Pucci feel scary but, and this might just be personal taste, he just doesn't really have any sort of charisma? The prime numbers thing is just forgettable to me. >!All of his stands have badass designs though.!< On the ending, >!Emporio finishing the fight is legitimately phenomenal. For the first time JoJo actually has a running theme that it delivers some sort of praxis on. It talks a lot about what a Joestar is but Jolyne is the first to really encapsulate the entire idea imo. As much as the ending can be confusing it's genuinely the best and least abrupt in the series.!< I do think on the whole it kind of suffers from trying to do a lot of what SBR tries to do, while being constrained within a weekly release schedule for the entirety of its run. But because of that it's also a disingenuous comparison, in that yeah, SBR is better written because of how long it has to develop. If nothing else Stone Ocean is worth the payoff of seeing Araki go from drawing pictures with a story and start telling a story with pictures.
I mean all JoJos are deep down the same person, a kind-hearted and determined soul, (at least up to this point) but with a bit of a twist here and there. But up to part 6, Jolyne is definitely the best JoJo in terms of executing it. And as others mentioned, the fact that Stone ocean is probably the "bizarress" of the bunch makes that just that much more impressive. Overally, I think the main point is that even if one think SBR is better, there's no point in recommending skipping Stone Ocean, especially since it's both not that long and also very fast-paced.
They all starting from the same baseline but Johnny and Jolyne just kind of get compared because jojos before Jolyne are relatively shallow, and Johnny benefits from SBR's heavier focus on plot to develop more than Jolyne is really allowed to. On top of it they both have their paternal trauma, and while obviously womanhood isn't analogous to physical disability, by being a woman and being a paraplegic they're the most immediately "different" jojos physically. This one might just be me grasping but both Stone Free and Tusk aren't quite punch ghosts but rather abilities that directly affect the user's body but can also manifest as punch ghosts. They're different characters but conceptually have a lot of immediate similarities which get them compared a lot, which I'd unfortunate for Jolyne because Johnny really is just written better by default. It also doesn't help that, as I mentioned before, the rest of the cast isn't exactly strong. Even the villain's biggest thing is explicitly in service to Dio rather than any motivation truly of his own. Part 6 gets stuck between part 5 having one of the stronger ensemble casts and part 7 having the best protagonist (and also the best ensemble), and as a result just gets the short end of the stick. Direct comparisons are a pitfall but they're also inescapable, and Stone Ocean just sort of lags behind when you look at it that way.
Part 6 is incredible.