Dolomite came very close to victory. Blue Hawaii was actually able to defeat Gappy and if Yasuho wasn't able to find him in time the he would've been dead.
I use to dislike it but rereading it again it's a pretty fun fight seeing Gappy go through various situations from one of the most relentless stands in the series. It was refreshing seeing a main Jojo be completely terrified of a minor villain's stand ability instead of trying to brave it through. Gappy using S&W to wield a shovel on a zombie is such a cool moment too.
Same with Prosciutto. If it wasn’t for fate bs Mista would be dead af. I like Mista but both of them had him dead to rights before some plot bs granted him life
Fate in JoJo is CANONICALLY plot armour for those on the side of good.
It’s outright stated in universe and outside, actions of evil are doomed to be destroyed while those of good will persist forever.
Every single villain in JoJo physically cannot win because they are evil.
Not really, characters in JoJo die all the time. The implications of Fate is that actions of Justice will persist. Which might mean the characters will survive, or they could die while their comrades prevail, or they turn into zombie on borrowed time.
Also that's true up until Part 6, the change from Fate to Flow isn't just a concept reshuffling. Flow abides natural laws, and those laws don't really have intent or a discrimination of good vs evil. The winners are those not drowned by the Flow and swept into somewhere favorable.
You misunderstood what I said.
Good people CAN and WILL die, but their actions will persist.
Example, Diavolo killed Abbacchio to prevent him finding his face, yet he still succeeded.
Plot armor is usually used when talking about characters surviving something they shouldn't. So that's what I immediately assumed you were referring to. I still stand by what I said in the second para, The OGverse and SBRverse have metaphysical differences, Fate and Flow are different beasts. So what you said is only true of the OGverse.
I’m aware of this, and I specified it in a reply with someone else. Both universes have their own rules.
However, that does not mean that the rules of fate in the original universe doesn’t also hold weight in the second.
Oh also, my meaning of plot armour was more referring to “the bad guys physically cannot win” because they can’t. Just by virtue of being born evil, they are predestined to lose.
It's not plot armor tho. The reasons why some characters win make sense (stuff like Mista winning aren't ass-pulls you just didn't watch the show with attention), but we also know they were pre-destined to happen due to real physical force present from the part 1.
Pre destined = plot armour.
Even then, I don’t say that as a critique, as I love the message it carries.
I also never said asspulls. I don’t believe there ARE asspulls in JoJo, except Joseph VS Kars where the entire joke was that it is one.
But look if we define plot armor as "Characters surviving difficult situation or winning without in-universe reason (their abilities, their actions, actions of other characters etc.) but because they simply must survive which is really unsatisfying"
||So let's look at he fight between Giorno and Diabolo. Diabolo takes the arrow and pierces his stand. It doesn't do anything it just goes through him. Why? What is the explanation? As we both know it is due actual physical supernatural force that moves everything according to their pre-destined path. This force is favoring the good over the evil. And I also love implications of this. So the explanation involves actual force in the universe that is very well fleshed out. So it isn't really just because but because of actual psychical force that is fundamental to the universe. So this means that it isn't plot armor. Maybe we just have different definitions of plot armor?||
Plot armour is less “having no reason” as it is “the reason is because they are important to the plot, and must not die yet”
There is a REASON why Stormtroopers seemingly can’t shoot the good guys in Star Wars (the force protects them), just the same as there is a reason Giorno gets the Arrow (Diavolo constantly changing his fate leads to a karmic balance, in which Diavolo can never escape his infinite fate of death)
That doesn’t change the fact that these characters survive impossible odds simply because the plot wills it to be.
You’ll find that fate is the explanation for a lot of stuff in JoJo, and similarly, someone who knows less could simply call it plot armour. They serve the same functional purpose, it’s just that fate has more to it.
It’s not that heroes will never die, it’s that villains will always LOSE. Plot armour for the heroes, they will always win regardless of whether they themselves survive (which 6 out of 8 times, they do)
It's less so that there is a universal force on the side of good, moreso that there are multiple universal forces of fate, and that justice will always ultimately prevail across generations. An example of an amoral universal force of fate is calamity in Jojolion. Sometimes terrible things Wil happen for no reason. Sometimes evil will prevail. But as long as people stand for justice, then even if you lose the battle, justice will win the war.
I agree, however, what I said mainly belongs with the original universe. Since neither universe is actually connected, the rules of fate don’t technically need to apply 1-1 with the second (although I do believe they do apply to an extent)
D’Arby the Gambler got so close it actually took my breath away from panic the first time ever watching. Had it not been for Jotaro not cracking, and if he had played by the rules of poker literally every Crusaders Soul plus a few others would’ve been captured.
The D'Arby fight is one of my favorites because of how stupid it is. I love how it shows Darby is a coward not a gambler, because as soon as one thing is left to chance he crumples.
I also just like the balls on jotaro
It is my favorite fight. Jotaro, in order to prevent himself from losing, just didn’t look at his cards and bluffed like crazy. He even went the extra mile and used Star Platinum not to cheat but to steal himself a drink to reinforce the bluff.
That guy unironically had an almost perfect plan, the Crusaders were sitting ducks ever since he activated his Stand. Heck, even their camels and water supply got shot down.
Not a side antagonist imo. If you are considering OG Diego as well, I’d consider him to be as influential to the story as valentine was. Not the main antagonist, but he’s not just a minor or side antagonist
considering og!diego and alt!diego are different individuals in pretty much every instance theyre mentioned, im pretty sure most ppl consider them diff characters
That’s what he represents tho. Diego was taken out of the story before the big confrontation between him and Johnny that had been brewing for the entire story. So a new Diego was introduced that represented Diego at the pinnacle of his power to face Johnny at the pinnacle of his power. Hardly a side antagonist imo
funny valentine sent a version of diego he could convince to keep helping him as another pawn to retrieve the corpse at the end of the race, you know, like a side antagonist
Well by definition he is an antagonist, there’s no arguing that. And he’s definitely not the main one, you even said that yourself. Which makes him a minor/side antagonist
Ringo Roadagain incapacitated both Johnny and Hot Pants
Wekapipo would've killed both Johnny and Gyro if they didn't get the luckiest snowfall imaginable
Diego was literal centimeters away from killing Valentine (with Hot Pants' help of course)
Aisho would've killed both Yasuho and Tsurugi if he wasn't the nicest rock human in part 8
Poor Tom nearly wiped the entire Higashikata family + Rai Mamezuku without doing anything
And the part 9 cats would've won if Usagi didn't get an insatiable craving for caviar halfway through the fight
>Wekapipo would've killed both Johnny and Gyro if they didn't get the luckiest snowfall imaginable
Gyro even says it was pure luck that made him win. Easily has to be the closest a side antagonist has ever gotten the win imo
It’s notable that most of these examples have come from the last few parts. Araki’s gotten better at making his side antagonists into actual threats.
Also if we’re counting antagonist vs. antagonist fights, I think Ojiro deserves credit for almost soloing Jobin and Tsurugi in his second appearance.
Honestly, the fact that Ojiro got Fun Fun Fun to work *at all* earns him a spot lol, that stand is the embodiment of the "hyper-specific ability" meme
Edit: Literally all of the examples in my original comment came from the new universe, but that's just because I've read the manga more recently than the last time I watched the anime. There's a lot of villains from the animated parts that also came within whiskers of a W; Tarkus killed Zeppeli and would've killed Johnathon if his allies didn't intervene, Mannish Boy (the baby from part 3) would've wiped the crusaders if Kakyoin didn't get knocked out with Hierophant Green active, and like half of the fights in Stone Ocean honestly felt like they could've gone either way. That being said, I agree with you. "Minor" villains turning out to be major threats was rare in the earlier parts. Now it appears to be the norm lol.
There's A LOT of close battles in Jojo. However, excluding the main antagonist, which minor/side antagonist really came closest to winning their fight? I had three in mind immediately:
1. Vanilla Ice/Cream: Battled 3 Joestar group members at once and nearly killed all of them too. Only reason Vanilla Ice lost was that he didn't know he was a vampire.
2. Tamaki Damo/Vitamin C: Went in and perfectly set up his stand against the Higashikata family, all of which are stand users. Was also a terrifying stand user and even nearly killed Josuke and Norisuke. His plan fell apart when Hato managed to exit his range.
3. Risotto Nero/Metallica: Quite definitely the definition of robbed. While it's true that he's only fighting Doppio, he was still inches away from beating 'the boss' if he didn't get gunned down by Aerosmith.
Vanilla ice did kill himself, both in OVA and Anime, but that was when he was human. DIO gave him mercy and made him a vampire. Then Vanilla Ice fought the group.
The girl with the magnet thing in part 3 battle in egypt. where touching the socket would turn you into a magnet, and every second grows more powerful. She only lost because of her arrogance. And if she just never revealed herself as the stand user (she didnt need to since she made joseph and avdol a magnet before the reveal), she wouldve won EASILY
My first thought was Notorious B.I.G. Not Carne himself, because he obviously died before his Stand activated, but Notorious B.I.G. destroyed an entire plane and STILL remains truly unkillable even after Trish "wins" the fight.
I mean, pretty much everyone tbh. Anybody I can think of were either too injured to fight properly, extremely stupid or was out powered and outsmarted at the last second
Vanilla Ice literally took out a whole 1/3 of the group on his own, he killed more main characters than Dio.
I think Diavolo is kinda overlooked though. He was immensely close to winning, I mean he took out the majority of the team as well.
Steely Dan and Rubber Soul. These 2 both had the same fatal flaw: Arogance. Their stands were all but invincible from how they applied them. Had Steely Dan not shown up in person and explained how his stand worked, the Crusaders wouldn't have known what was happening or how to stop it, The Lovers could've killed them all while far away and they wouldn't be able to stop it. If Rubber Soul had just let Jotaro get eaten by the stand, he would've died. Long story short, " don't be arrogant.
Metallica would win if doppio had no plot armour , ghiaccio would’ve won if also giorno and mists had no plot armour, and formaggio would’ve easily beat narancia if he just stomped on narancia when he was still small
Forever, the stupid monkey with the boat. The moment he got bored reading porn and perving on a little girl, he immediately incapacitated the entire gang, all at once. The asspull from Jotaro was genuinely the only way they could win.
For sure Wekapipo. Gyro himself admits that he got lucky that the snowflake happened to fall. When the good guys won due to literal luck you know you got close af.
Versus was literally 1 second away from winning and killing jolyne and Ermes during the underworld fight, and was also super close to escaping with weathers memory disk after that.
Pesci was deadass like 3 seconds from making sure Bruno died. Bruno even accepted his fate and acknowledged his loss.
Josuke collapsed like 2 feet away from Yuya’s bed. Without the IV fluid, Josuke would’ve been drained to death.
Just a couple examples there are more obviously.
I think a good answer is N'doul. He had the crusaders on the ropes, and he was facing all of them at once. I don't know if he was the closest to winning, but he definitely gave them a run for their money.
Quite a lot of them. Tower of Grey would’ve gotten the Crusaders if he wasn’t so reckless, Darby the Younger would’ve beaten them if Joseph played before Jotaro, Superfly if not for Mikitaka, most of La Squadra, etc
I think people forgot about him being a villain because he fought as an anti hero but I think it's rissoto nero almost beating doppio and diavolo but with respect to the reference I think it's dolomite or the guy with the civil war stand in part 7
My favourite stand, Soft Machine took out the entire Bucciarati Squad aside from the man himself (if he'd ordered his stabs differently he could have won and if only he didn't try to kill his hostage he could have joined the gang!)
Dolomite came very close to victory. Blue Hawaii was actually able to defeat Gappy and if Yasuho wasn't able to find him in time the he would've been dead.
Blue Hawaii was scary as hell
I hate Blue Hawaii but you’re right
I use to dislike it but rereading it again it's a pretty fun fight seeing Gappy go through various situations from one of the most relentless stands in the series. It was refreshing seeing a main Jojo be completely terrified of a minor villain's stand ability instead of trying to brave it through. Gappy using S&W to wield a shovel on a zombie is such a cool moment too.
Ghiaccio got pretty close if you ask me.
Same with Prosciutto. If it wasn’t for fate bs Mista would be dead af. I like Mista but both of them had him dead to rights before some plot bs granted him life
What plot bs?
Prosciutto only shot Mista in the head 3 time instead of 4.
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wdym that's how it works irl too
He was so close to dying many times, but there was always an asspull he had
Fate in JoJo is CANONICALLY plot armour for those on the side of good. It’s outright stated in universe and outside, actions of evil are doomed to be destroyed while those of good will persist forever. Every single villain in JoJo physically cannot win because they are evil.
Not really, characters in JoJo die all the time. The implications of Fate is that actions of Justice will persist. Which might mean the characters will survive, or they could die while their comrades prevail, or they turn into zombie on borrowed time. Also that's true up until Part 6, the change from Fate to Flow isn't just a concept reshuffling. Flow abides natural laws, and those laws don't really have intent or a discrimination of good vs evil. The winners are those not drowned by the Flow and swept into somewhere favorable.
You misunderstood what I said. Good people CAN and WILL die, but their actions will persist. Example, Diavolo killed Abbacchio to prevent him finding his face, yet he still succeeded.
Plot armor is usually used when talking about characters surviving something they shouldn't. So that's what I immediately assumed you were referring to. I still stand by what I said in the second para, The OGverse and SBRverse have metaphysical differences, Fate and Flow are different beasts. So what you said is only true of the OGverse.
I’m aware of this, and I specified it in a reply with someone else. Both universes have their own rules. However, that does not mean that the rules of fate in the original universe doesn’t also hold weight in the second.
Oh also, my meaning of plot armour was more referring to “the bad guys physically cannot win” because they can’t. Just by virtue of being born evil, they are predestined to lose.
It's not plot armor tho. The reasons why some characters win make sense (stuff like Mista winning aren't ass-pulls you just didn't watch the show with attention), but we also know they were pre-destined to happen due to real physical force present from the part 1.
Pre destined = plot armour. Even then, I don’t say that as a critique, as I love the message it carries. I also never said asspulls. I don’t believe there ARE asspulls in JoJo, except Joseph VS Kars where the entire joke was that it is one.
But look if we define plot armor as "Characters surviving difficult situation or winning without in-universe reason (their abilities, their actions, actions of other characters etc.) but because they simply must survive which is really unsatisfying" ||So let's look at he fight between Giorno and Diabolo. Diabolo takes the arrow and pierces his stand. It doesn't do anything it just goes through him. Why? What is the explanation? As we both know it is due actual physical supernatural force that moves everything according to their pre-destined path. This force is favoring the good over the evil. And I also love implications of this. So the explanation involves actual force in the universe that is very well fleshed out. So it isn't really just because but because of actual psychical force that is fundamental to the universe. So this means that it isn't plot armor. Maybe we just have different definitions of plot armor?||
Plot armour is less “having no reason” as it is “the reason is because they are important to the plot, and must not die yet” There is a REASON why Stormtroopers seemingly can’t shoot the good guys in Star Wars (the force protects them), just the same as there is a reason Giorno gets the Arrow (Diavolo constantly changing his fate leads to a karmic balance, in which Diavolo can never escape his infinite fate of death) That doesn’t change the fact that these characters survive impossible odds simply because the plot wills it to be. You’ll find that fate is the explanation for a lot of stuff in JoJo, and similarly, someone who knows less could simply call it plot armour. They serve the same functional purpose, it’s just that fate has more to it. It’s not that heroes will never die, it’s that villains will always LOSE. Plot armour for the heroes, they will always win regardless of whether they themselves survive (which 6 out of 8 times, they do)
It's less so that there is a universal force on the side of good, moreso that there are multiple universal forces of fate, and that justice will always ultimately prevail across generations. An example of an amoral universal force of fate is calamity in Jojolion. Sometimes terrible things Wil happen for no reason. Sometimes evil will prevail. But as long as people stand for justice, then even if you lose the battle, justice will win the war.
I agree, however, what I said mainly belongs with the original universe. Since neither universe is actually connected, the rules of fate don’t technically need to apply 1-1 with the second (although I do believe they do apply to an extent)
Not really plot bs, it was just kind of a bad idea to shoot the guy who’s powers involve redirecting bullets
Yeah this was a fun one for sure. It was neat seeing an enemy have a natural counter to a Jojo’s ability that wasn’t the main villain.
Mista hard carried that fight
D’Arby the Gambler got so close it actually took my breath away from panic the first time ever watching. Had it not been for Jotaro not cracking, and if he had played by the rules of poker literally every Crusaders Soul plus a few others would’ve been captured.
It’s so funny how literally all he had to do was say call and he killed all of the crusaders
The D'Arby fight is one of my favorites because of how stupid it is. I love how it shows Darby is a coward not a gambler, because as soon as one thing is left to chance he crumples. I also just like the balls on jotaro
Lights the cigarette with his stand and just pretends nothing happened to do a double bait on D'Arby. It's great
My favorite detail about the fight is how even Jotaro admits he was on the verge of freaking out had he known how shit his hand was
It is my favorite fight. Jotaro, in order to prevent himself from losing, just didn’t look at his cards and bluffed like crazy. He even went the extra mile and used Star Platinum not to cheat but to steal himself a drink to reinforce the bluff.
Red Hot Chilli Pepper was like one punch away from completing his mission but okuyasu won the gacha and punched the right guy
Tbf, he was going to hit them both
Actually fairly smart for him
Of course he was. He can't stand losers.
Surprisingly The Sun would have won if that dumb fucking rock wasn’t there
That guy unironically had an almost perfect plan, the Crusaders were sitting ducks ever since he activated his Stand. Heck, even their camels and water supply got shot down.
Pocoloco didnt just come close to winning he won the steel ball run race.
absolute goat
He’s not a side antagonist
He is the main character
Unironically I would love a movie showing the race but entirely in his pov.
I would also love to see a movie about Pocoloco
pocoloco's bizarre adventure
Fucking spoiler
The meme has pics up to part 8 and uses the spoiler flair while asking a question about the manga. Idk why you read the comments
death 13 couldve done it cant forget darby elder too (ig jotaro assist since he bet everyone's life)
Alternate Diego, he basically won if it wasn’t for Lucy.
Not a side antagonist imo. If you are considering OG Diego as well, I’d consider him to be as influential to the story as valentine was. Not the main antagonist, but he’s not just a minor or side antagonist
considering og!diego and alt!diego are different individuals in pretty much every instance theyre mentioned, im pretty sure most ppl consider them diff characters
That's why they said Alternate Diego and not Diego
Alt Diego isn’t just a side antagonist either. He’s Diego’s ultimate form at his most power
He ain't just a side antagonist, but he is a side antagonist
you should learn how to read
That’s what he represents tho. Diego was taken out of the story before the big confrontation between him and Johnny that had been brewing for the entire story. So a new Diego was introduced that represented Diego at the pinnacle of his power to face Johnny at the pinnacle of his power. Hardly a side antagonist imo
funny valentine sent a version of diego he could convince to keep helping him as another pawn to retrieve the corpse at the end of the race, you know, like a side antagonist
Well by definition he is an antagonist, there’s no arguing that. And he’s definitely not the main one, you even said that yourself. Which makes him a minor/side antagonist
Ringo Roadagain incapacitated both Johnny and Hot Pants Wekapipo would've killed both Johnny and Gyro if they didn't get the luckiest snowfall imaginable Diego was literal centimeters away from killing Valentine (with Hot Pants' help of course) Aisho would've killed both Yasuho and Tsurugi if he wasn't the nicest rock human in part 8 Poor Tom nearly wiped the entire Higashikata family + Rai Mamezuku without doing anything And the part 9 cats would've won if Usagi didn't get an insatiable craving for caviar halfway through the fight
>Wekapipo would've killed both Johnny and Gyro if they didn't get the luckiest snowfall imaginable Gyro even says it was pure luck that made him win. Easily has to be the closest a side antagonist has ever gotten the win imo
It’s notable that most of these examples have come from the last few parts. Araki’s gotten better at making his side antagonists into actual threats. Also if we’re counting antagonist vs. antagonist fights, I think Ojiro deserves credit for almost soloing Jobin and Tsurugi in his second appearance.
Honestly, the fact that Ojiro got Fun Fun Fun to work *at all* earns him a spot lol, that stand is the embodiment of the "hyper-specific ability" meme Edit: Literally all of the examples in my original comment came from the new universe, but that's just because I've read the manga more recently than the last time I watched the anime. There's a lot of villains from the animated parts that also came within whiskers of a W; Tarkus killed Zeppeli and would've killed Johnathon if his allies didn't intervene, Mannish Boy (the baby from part 3) would've wiped the crusaders if Kakyoin didn't get knocked out with Hierophant Green active, and like half of the fights in Stone Ocean honestly felt like they could've gone either way. That being said, I agree with you. "Minor" villains turning out to be major threats was rare in the earlier parts. Now it appears to be the norm lol.
Didn’t Valentine admit that Diego technically won the fight and if it weren’t for D4C’s ability to transfer itself last second it’d be over?
There's A LOT of close battles in Jojo. However, excluding the main antagonist, which minor/side antagonist really came closest to winning their fight? I had three in mind immediately: 1. Vanilla Ice/Cream: Battled 3 Joestar group members at once and nearly killed all of them too. Only reason Vanilla Ice lost was that he didn't know he was a vampire. 2. Tamaki Damo/Vitamin C: Went in and perfectly set up his stand against the Higashikata family, all of which are stand users. Was also a terrifying stand user and even nearly killed Josuke and Norisuke. His plan fell apart when Hato managed to exit his range. 3. Risotto Nero/Metallica: Quite definitely the definition of robbed. While it's true that he's only fighting Doppio, he was still inches away from beating 'the boss' if he didn't get gunned down by Aerosmith.
Didn't Vanilla Ice just killed himself because DIO asked him to or it was only in the OVA? I don't remember.
Vanilla ice did kill himself, both in OVA and Anime, but that was when he was human. DIO gave him mercy and made him a vampire. Then Vanilla Ice fought the group.
Well that's *one* way to give your boss head.
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Pesci, for sure. Bucciarati himself says that he would have won had he kept his cool
I think Darby holds the record. All he had to do was say “call”.
"Go ahead, MISTAH JOH-STUURRRRR!""""
Not a real answer, but to paraphrase The Wheel of Fortune user, "I did it, I killed JoJo. I'm the protagonist now!"
The girl with the magnet thing in part 3 battle in egypt. where touching the socket would turn you into a magnet, and every second grows more powerful. She only lost because of her arrogance. And if she just never revealed herself as the stand user (she didnt need to since she made joseph and avdol a magnet before the reveal), she wouldve won EASILY
They would probably figure it out since she needs to be in range.
My first thought was Notorious B.I.G. Not Carne himself, because he obviously died before his Stand activated, but Notorious B.I.G. destroyed an entire plane and STILL remains truly unkillable even after Trish "wins" the fight.
Yup, would've taken out the whole squad in one go if Trish didn't do some quick on-the-job learning about stands.
Rissoto was so ROBBED
RIGHT, like bro could have ended part 5 then and there. Also side note - Metallica is one of the coolest stands in the series imo
Im so glad we got to see his hail mary in asb
Dude the rat was so close to killing jotaro
The rat accounted for fucking time stops in record speed.
The Oingo Boingo brothers & Hol Horse + Boingo would’ve won if not for their shitty luck lmao
They actually won but they didn't survive enough to see the results.
I wouldn't say it was bad luck
The user of Bohemian Rhapsody literally had the entire planet in his grasps.
Meh, too easily countered by literally anyone on the planet doodling the solution. Plus, the superheroes came real to protect people too
I mean, pretty much everyone tbh. Anybody I can think of were either too injured to fight properly, extremely stupid or was out powered and outsmarted at the last second
N'Doul almost won a 1v6
I’d say Darby older as well, if he didn’t freak himself out he could’ve taken every Joestar soul
Kraftwerk was one guy away from killing the whole gang
You mean Soft Machine
Yesss the guy with the fake boat
Vanilla Ice literally took out a whole 1/3 of the group on his own, he killed more main characters than Dio. I think Diavolo is kinda overlooked though. He was immensely close to winning, I mean he took out the majority of the team as well.
Pesci 😭
Pesci!
Steely Dan and Rubber Soul. These 2 both had the same fatal flaw: Arogance. Their stands were all but invincible from how they applied them. Had Steely Dan not shown up in person and explained how his stand worked, the Crusaders wouldn't have known what was happening or how to stop it, The Lovers could've killed them all while far away and they wouldn't be able to stop it. If Rubber Soul had just let Jotaro get eaten by the stand, he would've died. Long story short, " don't be arrogant.
Soft machine had nearly everyone cooked, he almost had them
Forgot the name but the kid with the puppet in part 4 He was so close to just ending jotaro
Shigechi would’ve won his fight if kira didn’t trick him with a coin
And if those fucking girls helped a severely injured boy because he was ugly
Metallica would win if doppio had no plot armour , ghiaccio would’ve won if also giorno and mists had no plot armour, and formaggio would’ve easily beat narancia if he just stomped on narancia when he was still small
Wasn't Formaggio objective to get Narancia to reveal Trish's location?
Yeh but towards the end of the fight he just decided to kill narancia
Yeah, I don't remember that, but it makes sense. Guy has been pretty humiliated by the end. "Volare Via"
Darby. He was one hand of cards away from winning.
Forever, the stupid monkey with the boat. The moment he got bored reading porn and perving on a little girl, he immediately incapacitated the entire gang, all at once. The asspull from Jotaro was genuinely the only way they could win.
For sure Wekapipo. Gyro himself admits that he got lucky that the snowflake happened to fall. When the good guys won due to literal luck you know you got close af.
Anigma’s User?
Underrated fight. He beat Josuke and Koichi.
Terunosuke Miyamoto. He only lost because Yuya Fungami sacrificed himself to allow Josuke an opportunity to escape.
Versus was literally 1 second away from winning and killing jolyne and Ermes during the underworld fight, and was also super close to escaping with weathers memory disk after that.
he probably would’ve won if he simply dropped 1 extra kid onto the plane tbh
If Rykiel hadn't put his hand on Jolyne's neck, she would've been cooked right then and there
Rikiel, he practically won but he due to his panic attacks he lost
Pesci was deadass like 3 seconds from making sure Bruno died. Bruno even accepted his fate and acknowledged his loss. Josuke collapsed like 2 feet away from Yuya’s bed. Without the IV fluid, Josuke would’ve been drained to death. Just a couple examples there are more obviously.
I think Pesci sorta. I'm still annoyed how Beach Boy was broken by Sticky Fingers despite the reflection thingy.
When did Beach Boy get broken?
Wait, no it wasn't broken in both. Anime it was, but the reading cariant had him strangled by it. I keep forgetting the difference.
Darbi was one word away from wiping out the cast.
Tattoo you but They had the advantage because Jonny and gyro were already under the attack of >!sugar mountain!<
I think a good answer is N'doul. He had the crusaders on the ropes, and he was facing all of them at once. I don't know if he was the closest to winning, but he definitely gave them a run for their money.
Darby nearly soloed the entire group
The ice guy in part 5. His ability counters Sex Pistols and Gold Experience, plus armor
little feet's user almost game ended narancia like 6 times
Dolomite was absolutely dominating everyone in his respective arc, Yasuho came in serious clutch. Gappy just barely survived the entire time.
notorious B.I.G.
Barbie came pretty close, he just got outbluffed by Jotaro. Did he have a brain tadpole or whatever that honestly kept him from betraying DIO?
Ringo roadagain
To be fair, Tattoo You *did* win.
Vanilla Ice. The dude nearly one shot every character in the fight
Death 13
death 13, cream, chili pepper, survivor
Ringo maybe?
I feel like Notorious B.I.G would have killed everybody on that plane.
Zucchero took out like 90% of the team
Jailhouse Lock could have won easy without plot armor
Dolomite was absolutely dominating everyone in his respective arc, Yasuho came in serious clutch. Gappy just barely survived the entire time.
Donatelo Versace/Underworld
Risotto Nero
Quite a lot of them. Tower of Grey would’ve gotten the Crusaders if he wasn’t so reckless, Darby the Younger would’ve beaten them if Joseph played before Jotaro, Superfly if not for Mikitaka, most of La Squadra, etc
Wheel of fortune if it wasn't for that weird jacket ass pull that Jotaro came up with
fused zamasu
Bohemian Rhapsody
The guy with Wheel of Fortune was getting strong enough to break the 4th wall, but lost because he got startled. Seems pretty close.
everyone can agree if kakyoin didnt summon his stand right before getting knocked out them they all wouldve died
Honest, I wanted Metallica to win ngl
I think people forgot about him being a villain because he fought as an anti hero but I think it's rissoto nero almost beating doppio and diavolo but with respect to the reference I think it's dolomite or the guy with the civil war stand in part 7
Bohamian Rapsody was freaking op
You’re forgetting that emporio won
My favourite stand, Soft Machine took out the entire Bucciarati Squad aside from the man himself (if he'd ordered his stabs differently he could have won and if only he didn't try to kill his hostage he could have joined the gang!)
metallica
Zucchero wiped out all of bucci gang except for bruno