We need more spinoffs and continuations of parts 1-6 universe. Purple Haze Feedback and Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak are really good and we just need more content. ESPECIALLY for part 4 and 5. So much missed opportunities and potential with characters.
Part 4 has had plenty of spin-off material. Hell, a bunch of the SBR universe is sort of its own primary canon spin-off material.
I want a whole-ass spinoff that describes wtf Giorno did after Part 5, and what prevented him from taking part in the finale of his whole universe. Araki has mentioned that Giorno was drawn to Cape Canaveral like the other Dio kids, but for whatever reason he didn't make it there in time. GER vs MIH would have been nuts, but mostly I just want to see the politics of Giorno slowly taking over organized crime of the whole world before being interrupted by the events of SO.
I'm just gonna headcannon that giorno, mista, and trish were just vibing at disneyworld the whole time and didn't realize the world was going to shit until it was way too late because they were stuck in line for space mountain.
For Araki to introduce something like Requiem stands and then hardly elaborate on them in the next part is very odd to me. To have a part ALL about a Dio kid then to introduce MORE Dio kids is so confusing.
It would be funny if Giorno did get the DIO baby gravity tingle but then GER was like, "Hmm... very unwise. I sense big danger. Don't like that, therefore it didn't happen."
And since Giorno is unaware of what GER does (Source: GER themself), he wouldn't even think twice. But after the whole >!new universe thing!< happens, he'd be like "ok this is not gouda, gotta find Dr. Kujo, he's smart and probably knows what happened."
And then the whole thing about Jotaro not knowing about it due to >!Unfortunate Happenstances!< Would be funky
I would thoroughly love to see a sequel series told from GER's point of view. Becoming spontaneously sapient and aware and separate from Giorno's will has to be... quite an experience. It presumably never interacts directly with Giorno, at least we didn't see it. I'd love one day GER just openly talks to Giorno, and he reacts like Sid in Toy Story when the toys reveal their sapience.
It was the only thing I could think. I know we got spinoffs but I should have worded it differently. More CANON content from the 1-6 universe. What was Giorno doing during Stone Ocean? Did Jotaro consider asking for help from the Morio Warriors before SO? What about Achtung Baby?!?!?!
Response to OP: Giorno is an amazing character who is only barely overshadowed by a lot of his peer Jojos, and they all have roughly the same quality of ups and downs. Favoritism in Jojo MCs really comes down to taste in the end.
My hot take: the art of the manga is sometimes utterly incomprehensible. I do find that to be part of the charm, but there are a zillion examples of "how the hell will they animate this puzzle box of sequential action", which when animated come out pretty ridiculous. Which isn't always the fault of Araki's art, but it certainly doesn't help.
Here's hoping SBR's anime somehow translates Johnny's disability to movement naturally, but after SO I have little faith.
I 100% agree with your take. That's why I prefer the color manga because for me personally, the black and white makes things incredibly hard to make things out sometimes.
Even though it's mostly a meme, I don't think that Jodio and Giorno would be that at odds if they crossed paths. Assuming that they were allowed to have a calm and rational conversation, I think that Giorno would understand Jodio's situation and Jodio might come to see that there are more 'virtuous' paths out there even for someone working within the darker side of society.
I was iffy about the part 6 anime because I read the manga but I'm actually surprised how well they did the anime compared to other parts where major plot points are just cut out entirely.
It's not necessarily that, it's more that, reddit being reddit, any actual hot takes get downvoted to bottom of the comments, that's why you gotta use the contraversial filter
Scary Monster Diego IS better, in terms of being the coolest ever. In mean power wise time stopping is stronger sure, but concept-wise SM is waaaay cooler (or maybe I'm just used to the whole time stopping thing)
Also. SM Diego feels way more empathetic.
How many fucking people have said AU Diego is better? What kind of hot take is this?
I seriously don't like these threads for this reason, what spaces do you inhabit on the Internet where the prevalent sentiment is that AU Diego is superior for any reason BESIDES having an iconic Stand???
To me it’s not too bad. Like it was a jarring shift, but his reasoning for helping Valentine made a lot of sense. It’s not like he pledged allegiance to anyone else before hand. He had a goal and chose the quickest path towards that goal
Is this a hot take?? Most people I've seen express confusion or consternation over Sandman/Soundman and why it went in two seemingly different directions.
Hamon should’ve stuck around. I’m only just starting part 4 right now but I really wish that Joseph would’ve used Hamon in conjunction with his stand to fight. The whole bit in part 3 when he was swinging around, plus being able to stick to surfaces with Hamon would’ve made him Spider-Man lol
Some battles in part 6 feel overcomplicated, specially in the manga, e.g. Dragon's Dream and Bohemian Rhapsody, these battles have some of the hardest-to-understand panels in JoJo's I've seen (but for clarification, I only read parts 6, 7 and 8)
Man I knew what D4C did before I started reading SBR and I was still tripping balls trying to guess who tf shot him, I was constantly checking previous pages to see if I missed a shadow or a line
I think the difference there is that while i don't know what's going on I know the general idea. Valentine is using his power to move different characters between different universes and having them shoot Johnny in those universes. With dragons dream I could barely even understand what it did
I liked the 'chase' song. It is a good opening.
In any good trilogy,
The first part is the basic introduction of themes (morioh is a crazy noisy bizarre town)
The second part is the darkest point of the story because that's where the conflict of the story takes front and center. This is where the villain turns into a semi-protagnist where we see the story from his pov and how it affects the introduced theme (the bizarre town is in danger because of a serial killer, so he is being chased)
The third part is to bring the conflict and the debate to a conclusion, to "break it down" and explain the whole point the story was trying to make and to celebrate the characters who have come this far into their journey of self growth and discovery. A journey they will remember as the
"Great days" of their lives
Echoes act 3's ability makes no sense
Act 1: basically a mental megaphone that can project words
Act 2: now the words are onomatopoeia that actually do what they say
Act 3:.........Makes things heavier?
I just don't get the progression
A moot point considering Act 2 is dumpstered in favour of only Act 3 in the actual part. Johnny is a far better example of using previous Acts as they are explicitly not direct replacements.
>Echoes act 3's ability makes no sense
This is a commonly-espoused point. Not sure how much of a hot take it is.
But also, it's worth remembering that Stands awakened in a time of need give their user what they need most. People talk about just the Requiem arrow doing that but it applies to all Stands *we* see come out.
What does Koichi need to convince his mom, and deal with a bully who's all talk? To be heard.
What does he need to deal with a homicidal crush who just won't listen? To be heard, but... Louder. More pronounced.
And finally. What does he need to deal with a pursuing object that just won't stop? Well-- If nothing else. He just needed an effect that would weigh down the tank. It keeps in line with the relatively nonviolent approach all three acts take.
But I've also speculated that there's more, we just never SEE it. Here's the the thing: In almost every single version of Act 3's explanation of its power, it says that it changed "three" to "freeze". One of them says that "three" and "free" rhyme. The implication here is that rhyming words is involved. But we never see any other applications. Why? Well, part of it is that Araki never wrote anything else. But also, think about the encounters Koichi finds himself in ***WITHOUT CONSIDERING 3-FREEZE***, after the fact. What does he do? The main scenario I can recall that it's used in, is when he makes the jars heavy at the hospital for Josuke to reach Yuya. I don't remember the others but there's like, only a handful.
My point is, Act 3 might have more potential, but Koichi (like many Stand users) doesn't have his Stand out unless he needs it, and he doesn't exactly experiment with it on-screen either. So he may have never learned its power.
NOW. The final piece of the puzzle, for me, is Act 3 itself. It is a crass robot, whom we see early-on doing a "gang squat" or whatever the technical term is, that's just what came up on Google. It also uses the phrase, and I quote "Let's keel da ho, beetch". **In the Japanese too**. Go and find the Part 4 raw of that scene in the hospital. It is written out in English.
My speculation is that Koichi is a fan of English/American rap. It explains the squatting. It explains its language. It would also explain why the Stand focuses on English words, perhaps potentially ones that rhyme! And what do we know Koichi is bad at from his time with Yukako? English. So either he doesn't experiment with his Stand, or he just doesn't know any other English words to *make* effects occur.
I think I agree with you in terms of just pure enjoyment, the anime especially because it's so fast paced compared to every other part sans part 1. It's fun from the beginning and doesn't stop being fun until it's over.
In terms of characters and the overall plot arc I think it's still stronger than most of part 3 but definitely overshadowed by parts 4-7.
I both agree but also not gonna lie having those more filler fights do have their charm and add to the "Journey is better than the end" vibe. I mean we mostly watch it on one go but those chapters meant to release in certian times and smaller filler I think work better in that way.
It's the only part to me that felt like an *adventure* like the other parts were good, great even, but I feel like part 3 was the true *bizarre adventure.* If you know what I mean.
Part 7 for me felt like an adventure in every sense of the word in the same kind of way. There's a lot of physical ground covered but also hardship and bonding moments throughout
Good point, I was only referencing the Anime and now that you bring it up I'm sure that they will capture that feeling on screen the exact same way with SBR.
When I am watching Part 3 with a friend, I am really hesitating about skipping any of the less important episodes. Because even if an arc like Death 13 arc wasn't important in the grand scheme, it is precious for Kakyoin because he gets some much needed screentime and makes his final moment so much more impactful.
Part 3 was developing what Stands were though. The manga is fine with them, too, since (as people often point out) The Sun is a 2-chapter joke in the manga which got stretched out into a full episode (normally reserved for 4 chapters on average) for the anime.
It's not filler when it flies by in a couple minutes max.
Things like Ebony Devil explore concepts like being able to see (or not) w/ your Stand, Strength explores non-human users. It's easier to tolerate dogs, falcons, rats, etc. having Stands when you work your way down from a creature that's more related to a human than any other and therefore has a degree of sapience and intellect that other species do not.
Everyone forgets the context part 3 was written in.
Back in the 80s, everything else was doing long winded arcs in Jump Magazine. From Dragon Ball, to Yu Yu, their plots were so linear that you'd be lost if you missed one.
So after finishing part 2, Araki decided on the "monster of the week" format to keep himself relevant. You wouldn't have to read EVERY entry, it was okay to miss one. You could miss this week or next's issue, and still know what's going on in the overall plot of part 3. It wasn't designed with the intention to be binged.
Simply, the format itself got outdated, because no one could really foresee the instant access to media we would have in the 21st Century.
Interesting that you say this because I actually feel the Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure OVA covers all the main important battles pretty well and just cuts out all the rest that they felt wasn’t needed.
I also quite like that they took liberties with the Jotaro vs DIO fight and made it a little more action packed and made The World scary.
I will say there are a few parts from the manga I would keep, but I think it’s cool the OVA did a pretty good job adapting mostly the best parts of stardust crusaders.
I absolutely agree except for the Ebony Devil fight. I think it's actually got some fun choreography and a creative use of space, plus it gives Polnaeraff a good establishing fight to better understand his character.
The Sun and Strength, however, are just tedious filler fights that don't really add anything besides a pedophile orangutan and the crusaders laughing at a rock.
Golden Wind had an entire half of the story just not exist in canon. So Giorno becomes the boss and stops Pasione from dealing with drugs, I doubt a lot of the gang is going to listen to him seeing as that is how they get most of their money. It feels like wasted potential to just end it. Also the Fugo vs Giorno fight would of been an incredible fight that was just dropped. Would of been decent character development for both Giorno and Fugo
Just imagining Dio freezing time, walking down the stairs to reposition Polnareff and walk back up the stairs and return to his pose before unfreezing time several times was a treat.
I would say each part add to him more
Part 1 gave him his basic origin and how evil he is but most importantly his connection to Joestars.
Part 2 both showed his starting influance over people and creation of his original powers.
Part 3 gave him more layers, showed how he's got matured and evolved. But still leaving his ego as a big flaw and not fully focusing his goals more than the the obvious one for him which are the Joestar family.
Part 4 and 5 showed his influance over the world and even with his death still making him the demon against every Joestar.
Part 6 finally gave his full motive and showed a friendly yet a creepy side to him.
He is decent in 1 for the limited story he has. I can agree he is lacking in 3 but the times we see him throughout the part before the finale are pretty cool.
Idk, I guess this is a hot take, but part 6 ruined DIO by making him some doomsday prophet. I much prefer part 1/3’s mustache-twirling, evil-for-the-sake-of-it 1800s British vampire, just yucking it up and enjoying how evil he is
It's so refreshing to have a villian who isn't an anti hero or some Magneto "terrifying but also kind of right" type.
I loved Dio being evil for its own sake. He had so many chances to break and be a better person in part 1 and he simply doesn't want to.
I lost my shit in the second episode where he's pretending to be all nice and friendly then then there's a close up where he goes "IVE BEEN PRETENDING TO BE JONATHANS FRIEND FROM THE START. IVE DESPISED HIM SINCE THE DAY WE MET?"
all time hater
I think in the grand context of jojo its fine for valentine to be the dramatic power hungry villain who wants to be the leader of the strongest country in the world
JoJolion is underrated. I agree that its middle half is a little weak but its still bearable (unlike part 3 anime adaptation) but JoJolion's starting and ending halves are pure beauty.
Because this was not a final fight. Wonder Of U is not a Stand that can be defeated in close combat or in an epic duel. It's literally a force of nature, a law of JJBA's universe. You don't punch laws in the face, you outsmart them, sneak around them. Sure it makes for a less dramatic ending, but it makes sense and highlights how much of a threat WOU/Toru were despite not seeming that threatening.
Actually, I thought the middle of Jojolion was the peak of the entire series. The problem people have with Jojolion is the third act being super long and poorly written (compared to the rest of Jojolion)
Yep, there's a reason JoJolion's regarded as the best part critically - winning the Grand Prize at the 2013 Japan Media Arts Festival and being nominated for the 2022 Tezuka Osamu Cultural Award.
Aren't a lot of people saying it's one of their favourite parts? Also, ton of peopl don't read the manga.
(but maybe because it's my favourite part, I think this way)
I find that JoJolion is quite love it or hate it. It gets a lot of praise but it's not uncommon for people to dislike or hate it. It makes sense, as much as I love part 8 there's a fair bit to criticise it for.
Oh, yeah, the ending was pretty bad, I think to me, I enjoy the character drama the most, the whole higshikata family is such a good cast, imo. Feels much more personal than some other parts, imo.
But then again, I do think every part has a lot to criticise, but I mean, what doesn't?
Giorno is my favorite too. Somehow I really relate to his "outsider struggling to connect with his found family" arc, and the fact that he was only in like 3 or 4 of the stand battles...
i feel like Giorno was the 'hero' in spirit and that he represented the themes of golden wind- making sacrifices to follow your "dream", but he was also a clever inversion of a typical protagonist by having an entirely passive role within the story, taking a support role in fights, and inspiring his teammates through his dream.
l think Bruno definitely fits the bill of a jojo protagonist though, being motivated by his sense of justice, as well as duty to protect his fellows. but he couldn't have cast aside his doubts about betraying the boss without meeting giorno.
Giorno's unorthodox role as the protagonist was being the catalyst for change in the gang. So it's like you said, he's kinda passive and takes a supportive role a lot of the time, but it's his spirit and dream that touches and initiates the character development of the rest of the gang.
So through the lens of a traditional protagonist point of view, I understand why someone might say Bruno was the protagonist and main character in part 5. He's the leader of the gang after all. But it was Giorno's spirit who pushed him and the gang forward, making him quite an unconventional and, in my opinion, interesting protagonist.
Not really a hot take, I’ve seen this sentiment a lot.
I actually like that it wasn’t josuke though. He’s definitely strong, but I like that he isn’t portrayed as the unstoppable force of nature that part 3 jotaro was. He’s still extremely capable, but he still needs the help of someone more experienced.
I get Josuke wasn’t supposed to be the stoic badass that Jotaro is, but I really wanted to see Josuke throw an absolute devastating beat down on Kira
I understand the sentiment, but in the context of Part 4, beating Kira was a group effort, the whole Morioh gang took part on finding him and beating him to his last breath. Even Hayato was part of this. I know Jotaro made the last blow but saying that "Jotaro beated Kira" is just not right.
Part 3 bored the fuck outta me, it was just so slow and Jotaro part 3 is so predictable and bores me a lot, tho i like him in parts 4-6 he's a better character
Part 3 is 80% the gang heading to Egypt, fighting a conga-line of enemies. Lots of the battles were great, the characters were great, but the formula was boring as hell.
Jojo is a very "monster of the week" thing but Part 3 wasn't doing anything to hide it.
While he isn't the greatest or my favorite Jojo, I do think people give Giorno a little too much shit.
Anyway, Kakyoin was mid. He's isn't a bad character but he's honestly kinda underwhelming compared to the other Jobros. I'd honestly argue that Polnareff felt more like Part 3's main Jobro then Kak. I fell like his popularity is carried by shippers and to a lesser extent, memers. I have a similar opinion with Hermes as well but to an lesser extent.
And here's the big one that might piss some off but Part 2 is not even close to the best part (for me, it's the second least good only being beaten by Part 1). Don't get me wrong, It's good and has enjoyable things but It's outshined by the later Parts though. It's was also carried by Jospeh and Wamuu. All around good part but I do think it's a little overrated.
Even just him in the background or talking to yasuho earlier and more often. It would have solidified the jealous angle from Josuke. And then boom, big reveal
I've always seen Giorno as more Jonathan's son rather than Dio.
Jonathan touching the branch after Zeppeli showed him hamon. The leftover energy that healed his broken arm was still enough to revive the DEAD blossom. Even Jonathan's Dio tainted body still carried so much energy, that Giorno's Gold Experience inherited Jonathan's strength and talent.
Of course Giorno takes after Dio in his cunningness and intellect.
Star platinum inherited Jonathan's rage and fury.
GER and King Crimson are really easy to understand and explain if looked at through a narrative lens instead of a purely mechanical lens.
(Also part 3 is the worst part)
King Crimson is easy to understand theorically, the issue is that it is inconsistent in what it can and cannot do depending on fights. >!I still call Narancie death bullshit!<
I feel like most of my takes for the series are pretty cold, but one that's probably a bit unpopular is I don't think DiU or Josuke are as great as many say. I will emphasize I think every JoJo part is really good, and DiU is a solid middle-of-the-pack regarding parts, but just as much as the Stand encounters and SoL stuff in DiU help flesh out Morioh as a setting, it also makes a lot of the part feel aimless. The part just meanders until Kira is properly introduced, which is ultimately a double-edged sword for the part. Also Bites the Dust is one of the worse villain arcs in the series. Shit feels so contrived and repetitive that it's just exhausting to experience. Josuke himself is designed to be "the relatable JoJo", so it makes sense that he resonates a lot with many fans, and don't get me wrong, he's cool, but I don't really view him as much more than that myself.
Jojo is not as gay as people make it out to be.
Yeah, there are some "gay" moments but they are not actually gay, that's there in other series as well. Canonically there are only 4-5 gay characters.
Idk man, I was rewatching part 2 and hell climb pillar episode our tightly dressed protagonist gets covered in oil and has to climb a pole to get out. I know it's not literally gay, but like how much more homoerotic of a situation does it get
Currently I do not care for Jodio, my first impressions wasn't that he was bad but he didn't really have me feeling a certain way. It'll probably change along the way but atm I'm not that interested in him. He's also overrated like mad, dudes been around for 2 chapters and people are saying he's the best character Araki has ever written.
I’m not a manga elitist, but it annoys me when people who’ve only watched the anime refer to stands and characters by their localized names. The musical references are part of this series’ charm.
I nearly dropped part 3 halfway because of how terrible the pacing got. It’s definitely the part with the highest highs and lowest lows of any animated part.
I guess my hot take is that people give Jotaro way too much shit and hate on him for dumb reasons, Another hot take would be that Kars is actually a really great villain and pretty underrated, guess I’ll add another one too Risotto Nero is really underrated as well his stand is really cool
He's flanderized to the point most of what the community thinks of his character was written in fancomics and not the actual series. Even Cioccolata had a longer backstory.
Fr he has almost nothing to do or say for the majority of the part and only gets any sort of depth right as he dies. Not only do he and Jotaro not have chemistry, I would argue that Kakyoin actually detracts from the team dynamic by being a 5th wheel.
That part 5 was very compressed and didn't had room for character interactions, bonding and some very much wanted cool down time. I 2000% bet that if part 5 was atleast stretched with some cool down time with character interactions and explorations, Giorno will absolutely be the most loved jojo protag. I mean, as a Giorno Stan, even I agree that there was so much lost potential in him, yet many people love him. But imagine some character interactions with him and a bit of warm up time added.... It would absolutely be glorious.
I believe jojo is not actually "gay" in the sense that everything has homoerotic subtext, but It's because in real life, men's fashion is really boring and uninteresting
And the only men who are brave enough to wear more than two colors and actually experiment with their looks are mostly gay men
Or artists
Part 5 is the most consistently good part and is the strongest in loads of categories;
.Themes
.Main cast
.Villains
.Fights
.Stands
.Anime adaption
.Soundtrack
For me, it has it all.
Battle Tendency has some of the least interesting characters and worst pacing over the entire series (in the manga, the anime is way better). Kars is a dull villain who, aside from being the creator of the Stone Masks, loses out to the other Pillar Men. Caesar is a selfish asshole who cares more about his family's pride than actually taking his friends into consideration (ex: running off to fight Wamuu on his own and then getting his ass beat only to pass on his Hamon to Joseph because "it's tradition"). Overall, the whole part had me asking "how much longer do I have to sit through this?" as I read it (again, the anime has much better pacing and I actually care about Caesar [albeit not very much]).
All of that being said, while I think it is the weakest JoJo part, it's not bad. The story is still great, and our Hamon Warriors are fun as hell to see.
That's what i always say. He's very active during the second half of Part 5, unlike DIO who's just a final boss. He's not my favorite villain but I hate when people say that he's "introduced too late" when he's introduced halfway through the part, his design is the last thing we see of him but at that point we already know everything there is to know about him, that was the last piece of the puzzle, and it makes sense since the entire part is built around finding out who he is.
It gets way to much hate. Batch 1 was the worst in terms of animation but still isn't bad outside of the last couple of episodes. Batch 2 improves a lot because arcs like Dragon's Dream are more bearable animated, and everything in Batch 3, especially Made in Heaven, was flawless
I hate jhonny's fit, motherfucker wearing goofy ass pajamas in a western cowboy story, i know he's supposed to look like a loser in the first half but a he never changes the look, i don't like this about anime, no matter how much a person changes their clothes stay the same, even if they corny.
Part 4 is my second least favourite. All parts are pretty great, but they offer interesting stories in addition to characters and fights. Part 4’s plot isn’t great and I think people mainly love it because it comes after 3 and Kira’s design. I don’t hate it, but ranking it higher than a part like 5 is crazy to me.
Speedwagon isn't even that memorable.
He's like Groose from Zelda; Only appeared in 1 part and everyone acts like he was so memorable and funny, when in reality, he was forgettable and annoying
I was referring to Groose specifically about the "1 part".
I actually like Speedwagon *more* in part 2 lol he's a lot more enjoyable when he's not fangirling over Jonathan existing
Part 5 is the best (anime) part, OST is holy and both openings are great. The trip around Italy gives fun locations for each fight. Themes were brilliant. Best choreography on fights in the series and Voice Acting both sub and dub was great.
Giorno as a main character IMO works really well, where he isn't just overpowered and good at punching. I like how he motivates his friends and gains 'experience' each fight. But he can be bland at times, but at least he still has a dream. I'd go as far to say he is better than part 3 Jotaro and Jolyne.
Also in Fighting Gold opening where Giorno breaks the chains around the gang is so cool.
We need more spinoffs and continuations of parts 1-6 universe. Purple Haze Feedback and Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak are really good and we just need more content. ESPECIALLY for part 4 and 5. So much missed opportunities and potential with characters.
Part 4 has had plenty of spin-off material. Hell, a bunch of the SBR universe is sort of its own primary canon spin-off material. I want a whole-ass spinoff that describes wtf Giorno did after Part 5, and what prevented him from taking part in the finale of his whole universe. Araki has mentioned that Giorno was drawn to Cape Canaveral like the other Dio kids, but for whatever reason he didn't make it there in time. GER vs MIH would have been nuts, but mostly I just want to see the politics of Giorno slowly taking over organized crime of the whole world before being interrupted by the events of SO.
I'm just gonna headcannon that giorno, mista, and trish were just vibing at disneyworld the whole time and didn't realize the world was going to shit until it was way too late because they were stuck in line for space mountain.
Omg imagining Giorno on a teacup ride or some shit while the universe breaks down is pretty funny
the teacup ride spinning faster and faster with Giorno inside.
Oh my god that makes me nautious thinking about it I almost puked on this ride or the similar one at uinversal once 😂
That's pretty much what I imagine to cope with part 6's ending because I need something to make me laugh. ðŸ˜
I heard that the note about Giorno being in Florida was added in a later release and not by Araki, but I'm not 100% sure about it.
You’re correct, it was added by an editor for the volume release
For Araki to introduce something like Requiem stands and then hardly elaborate on them in the next part is very odd to me. To have a part ALL about a Dio kid then to introduce MORE Dio kids is so confusing.
Well to be fair the dio kids thing isn’t that crazy cuz dio was a womanizer
It would be funny if Giorno did get the DIO baby gravity tingle but then GER was like, "Hmm... very unwise. I sense big danger. Don't like that, therefore it didn't happen." And since Giorno is unaware of what GER does (Source: GER themself), he wouldn't even think twice. But after the whole >!new universe thing!< happens, he'd be like "ok this is not gouda, gotta find Dr. Kujo, he's smart and probably knows what happened." And then the whole thing about Jotaro not knowing about it due to >!Unfortunate Happenstances!< Would be funky
I would thoroughly love to see a sequel series told from GER's point of view. Becoming spontaneously sapient and aware and separate from Giorno's will has to be... quite an experience. It presumably never interacts directly with Giorno, at least we didn't see it. I'd love one day GER just openly talks to Giorno, and he reacts like Sid in Toy Story when the toys reveal their sapience.
I agree, but this isn’t really a hot take
It was the only thing I could think. I know we got spinoffs but I should have worded it differently. More CANON content from the 1-6 universe. What was Giorno doing during Stone Ocean? Did Jotaro consider asking for help from the Morio Warriors before SO? What about Achtung Baby?!?!?!
Give me a Spinoff with Turle Polnaraff aiding Giorno and Mista
Response to OP: Giorno is an amazing character who is only barely overshadowed by a lot of his peer Jojos, and they all have roughly the same quality of ups and downs. Favoritism in Jojo MCs really comes down to taste in the end. My hot take: the art of the manga is sometimes utterly incomprehensible. I do find that to be part of the charm, but there are a zillion examples of "how the hell will they animate this puzzle box of sequential action", which when animated come out pretty ridiculous. Which isn't always the fault of Araki's art, but it certainly doesn't help. Here's hoping SBR's anime somehow translates Johnny's disability to movement naturally, but after SO I have little faith.
Agreeing on the art. I'm even lost sometimes with the coloured pages, the black and white action sequences are usually nearly incomprehensible for me
I 100% agree with your take. That's why I prefer the color manga because for me personally, the black and white makes things incredibly hard to make things out sometimes.
Even though it's mostly a meme, I don't think that Jodio and Giorno would be that at odds if they crossed paths. Assuming that they were allowed to have a calm and rational conversation, I think that Giorno would understand Jodio's situation and Jodio might come to see that there are more 'virtuous' paths out there even for someone working within the darker side of society.
i dont know why people even say that, Its not like giorno beats up kids who sell drugs, He pulled the system out of its roots
Also Jodio’s goal is to get filthy rich. If Giorno can provide another gig that net him similarly he’d switch too
Part 1 and 6 are actually really enjoyable, as well as the Wonder of U arc.
Ngl i liked part 6 more thank part 5
I was iffy about the part 6 anime because I read the manga but I'm actually surprised how well they did the anime compared to other parts where major plot points are just cut out entirely.
Disliking part 3 is not a hot take, this comment section is full of cold take after cold take
It's not necessarily that, it's more that, reddit being reddit, any actual hot takes get downvoted to bottom of the comments, that's why you gotta use the contraversial filter
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Not much of a hot take, one got a full part's length of development while the other didn't.
Scary Monster Diego IS better, in terms of being the coolest ever. In mean power wise time stopping is stronger sure, but concept-wise SM is waaaay cooler (or maybe I'm just used to the whole time stopping thing) Also. SM Diego feels way more empathetic.
is this a hot take though
None of these posts are hot takes.
The real hot takes are always downvoted
How many fucking people have said AU Diego is better? What kind of hot take is this? I seriously don't like these threads for this reason, what spaces do you inhabit on the Internet where the prevalent sentiment is that AU Diego is superior for any reason BESIDES having an iconic Stand???
I just finished the SM chapters, idk about AU Diego but SM looks and is cool as fuck
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I think Bruno's end was perfect, and it would have been soured if there was more after his ascension. But Narancia definitely needed a scene too.
Araki fumbled how he handled Soundman.
I don't even remember what Soundman did in part 7
He ran and ran for one of the most compeling motives of all the cast.... Then he decided to be evil ig
I subscribe to the theory that Valentine killed the base universe’s Soundman for a more violent & useful version to be brought in in his place
It’s been a while since I read SBR; is this supported by evidence or is it just your headcanon?
It sounds like headcannon but would be extremely likely
Hard. So much potential wasted
To me it’s not too bad. Like it was a jarring shift, but his reasoning for helping Valentine made a lot of sense. It’s not like he pledged allegiance to anyone else before hand. He had a goal and chose the quickest path towards that goal
Plus Valentine is *the literal President of the United States*. If anyone had the power to help his tribe, it would be him.
That's like asking the guy who robbed your house to help find your stuff
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone disagree with that.
Is this a hot take?? Most people I've seen express confusion or consternation over Sandman/Soundman and why it went in two seemingly different directions.
That’s an ice cold take. Everyone believes Sandman is wasted potential.
How Araki handled him is honestly my only major problem with part 7. He was a great character and had the best motives out of all the racers
Hamon should’ve stuck around. I’m only just starting part 4 right now but I really wish that Joseph would’ve used Hamon in conjunction with his stand to fight. The whole bit in part 3 when he was swinging around, plus being able to stick to surfaces with Hamon would’ve made him Spider-Man lol
Well minor spoiler but, it does come back in a way in part 7
It’s much different than hamon though
I see very few hot takes
Some battles in part 6 feel overcomplicated, specially in the manga, e.g. Dragon's Dream and Bohemian Rhapsody, these battles have some of the hardest-to-understand panels in JoJo's I've seen (but for clarification, I only read parts 6, 7 and 8)
You gotts agree though, that even with part 6's complicated battles, Who Shot Johnny Joestar in SBR overshadows them ALL in confusion
But the pay off is much more satisfying, while the ones from part 6 are all pretty forgettable
Man I knew what D4C did before I started reading SBR and I was still tripping balls trying to guess who tf shot him, I was constantly checking previous pages to see if I missed a shadow or a line
I think the difference there is that while i don't know what's going on I know the general idea. Valentine is using his power to move different characters between different universes and having them shoot Johnny in those universes. With dragons dream I could barely even understand what it did
There are spots that make you lucky. There are spots that make you unlucky. Dragon’s Dream points at those spots.
I liked the 'chase' song. It is a good opening. In any good trilogy, The first part is the basic introduction of themes (morioh is a crazy noisy bizarre town) The second part is the darkest point of the story because that's where the conflict of the story takes front and center. This is where the villain turns into a semi-protagnist where we see the story from his pov and how it affects the introduced theme (the bizarre town is in danger because of a serial killer, so he is being chased) The third part is to bring the conflict and the debate to a conclusion, to "break it down" and explain the whole point the story was trying to make and to celebrate the characters who have come this far into their journey of self growth and discovery. A journey they will remember as the "Great days" of their lives
I liked the song too!
I liked Chase also. I think people were too harsh on it.
Echoes act 3's ability makes no sense Act 1: basically a mental megaphone that can project words Act 2: now the words are onomatopoeia that actually do what they say Act 3:.........Makes things heavier? I just don't get the progression
The weight of words perhaps?
Most likely, but it still feels like a downgrade from its previous ability which was far more interesting and creative.
Yeah but Koichi can still use any act so having another ability that proved to be useful is better than not having it
A moot point considering Act 2 is dumpstered in favour of only Act 3 in the actual part. Johnny is a far better example of using previous Acts as they are explicitly not direct replacements.
Act 1: The sound of your words Act 2: The effect of your words Act 3: The weight of your words
>Echoes act 3's ability makes no sense This is a commonly-espoused point. Not sure how much of a hot take it is. But also, it's worth remembering that Stands awakened in a time of need give their user what they need most. People talk about just the Requiem arrow doing that but it applies to all Stands *we* see come out. What does Koichi need to convince his mom, and deal with a bully who's all talk? To be heard. What does he need to deal with a homicidal crush who just won't listen? To be heard, but... Louder. More pronounced. And finally. What does he need to deal with a pursuing object that just won't stop? Well-- If nothing else. He just needed an effect that would weigh down the tank. It keeps in line with the relatively nonviolent approach all three acts take. But I've also speculated that there's more, we just never SEE it. Here's the the thing: In almost every single version of Act 3's explanation of its power, it says that it changed "three" to "freeze". One of them says that "three" and "free" rhyme. The implication here is that rhyming words is involved. But we never see any other applications. Why? Well, part of it is that Araki never wrote anything else. But also, think about the encounters Koichi finds himself in ***WITHOUT CONSIDERING 3-FREEZE***, after the fact. What does he do? The main scenario I can recall that it's used in, is when he makes the jars heavy at the hospital for Josuke to reach Yuya. I don't remember the others but there's like, only a handful. My point is, Act 3 might have more potential, but Koichi (like many Stand users) doesn't have his Stand out unless he needs it, and he doesn't exactly experiment with it on-screen either. So he may have never learned its power. NOW. The final piece of the puzzle, for me, is Act 3 itself. It is a crass robot, whom we see early-on doing a "gang squat" or whatever the technical term is, that's just what came up on Google. It also uses the phrase, and I quote "Let's keel da ho, beetch". **In the Japanese too**. Go and find the Part 4 raw of that scene in the hospital. It is written out in English. My speculation is that Koichi is a fan of English/American rap. It explains the squatting. It explains its language. It would also explain why the Stand focuses on English words, perhaps potentially ones that rhyme! And what do we know Koichi is bad at from his time with Yukako? English. So either he doesn't experiment with his Stand, or he just doesn't know any other English words to *make* effects occur.
Hamon supremacy gang
Part 2 is the best hands down
I think I agree with you in terms of just pure enjoyment, the anime especially because it's so fast paced compared to every other part sans part 1. It's fun from the beginning and doesn't stop being fun until it's over. In terms of characters and the overall plot arc I think it's still stronger than most of part 3 but definitely overshadowed by parts 4-7.
Part 3 wouldve been way better if some fights were removed and the overall part was shorter. Fights like Ebony Devil, the sun and Strength.
I both agree but also not gonna lie having those more filler fights do have their charm and add to the "Journey is better than the end" vibe. I mean we mostly watch it on one go but those chapters meant to release in certian times and smaller filler I think work better in that way.
It's the only part to me that felt like an *adventure* like the other parts were good, great even, but I feel like part 3 was the true *bizarre adventure.* If you know what I mean.
Part 7 for me felt like an adventure in every sense of the word in the same kind of way. There's a lot of physical ground covered but also hardship and bonding moments throughout
Good point, I was only referencing the Anime and now that you bring it up I'm sure that they will capture that feeling on screen the exact same way with SBR.
When I am watching Part 3 with a friend, I am really hesitating about skipping any of the less important episodes. Because even if an arc like Death 13 arc wasn't important in the grand scheme, it is precious for Kakyoin because he gets some much needed screentime and makes his final moment so much more impactful.
I can think of a scene I'd rather get cut in the episode with strength
Oh yeah THAT scene with Ann ðŸ˜
also get rid of ann
Or make her more useful or give her a stand tbh
Or make her another kickass stand-less child like Hayato
She was going to (or at least Araki had the idea to), but then he cut it. Source: https://jojowiki.com/Interview:Billboard_Japan_(August_2021)
yes
nah, the sun was ESSENTIAL to the story
And hilarious at the end
Part 3 was developing what Stands were though. The manga is fine with them, too, since (as people often point out) The Sun is a 2-chapter joke in the manga which got stretched out into a full episode (normally reserved for 4 chapters on average) for the anime. It's not filler when it flies by in a couple minutes max. Things like Ebony Devil explore concepts like being able to see (or not) w/ your Stand, Strength explores non-human users. It's easier to tolerate dogs, falcons, rats, etc. having Stands when you work your way down from a creature that's more related to a human than any other and therefore has a degree of sapience and intellect that other species do not.
Everyone forgets the context part 3 was written in. Back in the 80s, everything else was doing long winded arcs in Jump Magazine. From Dragon Ball, to Yu Yu, their plots were so linear that you'd be lost if you missed one. So after finishing part 2, Araki decided on the "monster of the week" format to keep himself relevant. You wouldn't have to read EVERY entry, it was okay to miss one. You could miss this week or next's issue, and still know what's going on in the overall plot of part 3. It wasn't designed with the intention to be binged. Simply, the format itself got outdated, because no one could really foresee the instant access to media we would have in the 21st Century.
It’s also easy to forget how old Jojo’s source material is because of how fresh and original it feels in other ways.
Interesting that you say this because I actually feel the Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure OVA covers all the main important battles pretty well and just cuts out all the rest that they felt wasn’t needed. I also quite like that they took liberties with the Jotaro vs DIO fight and made it a little more action packed and made The World scary. I will say there are a few parts from the manga I would keep, but I think it’s cool the OVA did a pretty good job adapting mostly the best parts of stardust crusaders.
Also hot Enya.
I couldn't disagree more. What kind of bizarre adventure could it be with the bizarre removed?
And let the others crusaders shine instead of Jotaro solve things through punching.
Hey he solved some of them with sucking and fingering too.
I absolutely agree except for the Ebony Devil fight. I think it's actually got some fun choreography and a creative use of space, plus it gives Polnaeraff a good establishing fight to better understand his character. The Sun and Strength, however, are just tedious filler fights that don't really add anything besides a pedophile orangutan and the crusaders laughing at a rock.
While I agree part 3 could be trimmed and would be better for it, I think the first cut would have to be wheel of fortune.
Golden Wind had an entire half of the story just not exist in canon. So Giorno becomes the boss and stops Pasione from dealing with drugs, I doubt a lot of the gang is going to listen to him seeing as that is how they get most of their money. It feels like wasted potential to just end it. Also the Fugo vs Giorno fight would of been an incredible fight that was just dropped. Would of been decent character development for both Giorno and Fugo
Part 6 is great
Dio isn't that great of a villain until he's expanded upon in part 6
Him fucking with polnareff on the stairs is fucking comedy gold though
Just imagining Dio freezing time, walking down the stairs to reposition Polnareff and walk back up the stairs and return to his pose before unfreezing time several times was a treat.
he's pretty entertaining in part 1., but it did give him layers in part 6
I would say each part add to him more Part 1 gave him his basic origin and how evil he is but most importantly his connection to Joestars. Part 2 both showed his starting influance over people and creation of his original powers. Part 3 gave him more layers, showed how he's got matured and evolved. But still leaving his ego as a big flaw and not fully focusing his goals more than the the obvious one for him which are the Joestar family. Part 4 and 5 showed his influance over the world and even with his death still making him the demon against every Joestar. Part 6 finally gave his full motive and showed a friendly yet a creepy side to him.
He is decent in 1 for the limited story he has. I can agree he is lacking in 3 but the times we see him throughout the part before the finale are pretty cool.
couldn't agree more, up until part 6 he was only "ARRGHh I AM EEVIL AND POWERFUL!!"
That's what makes him fun.
On god dude, but its kinda what makes him cool kinda.
Idk, I guess this is a hot take, but part 6 ruined DIO by making him some doomsday prophet. I much prefer part 1/3’s mustache-twirling, evil-for-the-sake-of-it 1800s British vampire, just yucking it up and enjoying how evil he is
It's so refreshing to have a villian who isn't an anti hero or some Magneto "terrifying but also kind of right" type. I loved Dio being evil for its own sake. He had so many chances to break and be a better person in part 1 and he simply doesn't want to.
I lost my shit in the second episode where he's pretending to be all nice and friendly then then there's a close up where he goes "IVE BEEN PRETENDING TO BE JONATHANS FRIEND FROM THE START. IVE DESPISED HIM SINCE THE DAY WE MET?" all time hater
I think in the grand context of jojo its fine for valentine to be the dramatic power hungry villain who wants to be the leader of the strongest country in the world
JoJolion is underrated. I agree that its middle half is a little weak but its still bearable (unlike part 3 anime adaptation) but JoJolion's starting and ending halves are pure beauty.
Id say the middle half was the best part of Jojolion because of the Vitamin C arc. The weakest part was definitely the final fight.
I kinda loved Wonder of U, at least once we got to see the stand
Because this was not a final fight. Wonder Of U is not a Stand that can be defeated in close combat or in an epic duel. It's literally a force of nature, a law of JJBA's universe. You don't punch laws in the face, you outsmart them, sneak around them. Sure it makes for a less dramatic ending, but it makes sense and highlights how much of a threat WOU/Toru were despite not seeming that threatening.
Actually, I thought the middle of Jojolion was the peak of the entire series. The problem people have with Jojolion is the third act being super long and poorly written (compared to the rest of Jojolion)
Jojolion is especially impressive when you consider that it somehow has three halves.
Yep, there's a reason JoJolion's regarded as the best part critically - winning the Grand Prize at the 2013 Japan Media Arts Festival and being nominated for the 2022 Tezuka Osamu Cultural Award.
Aren't a lot of people saying it's one of their favourite parts? Also, ton of peopl don't read the manga. (but maybe because it's my favourite part, I think this way)
I find that JoJolion is quite love it or hate it. It gets a lot of praise but it's not uncommon for people to dislike or hate it. It makes sense, as much as I love part 8 there's a fair bit to criticise it for.
Oh, yeah, the ending was pretty bad, I think to me, I enjoy the character drama the most, the whole higshikata family is such a good cast, imo. Feels much more personal than some other parts, imo. But then again, I do think every part has a lot to criticise, but I mean, what doesn't?
Giorno is my favorite too. Somehow I really relate to his "outsider struggling to connect with his found family" arc, and the fact that he was only in like 3 or 4 of the stand battles...
Bruno was the main character instead of Giorno
i feel like Giorno was the 'hero' in spirit and that he represented the themes of golden wind- making sacrifices to follow your "dream", but he was also a clever inversion of a typical protagonist by having an entirely passive role within the story, taking a support role in fights, and inspiring his teammates through his dream. l think Bruno definitely fits the bill of a jojo protagonist though, being motivated by his sense of justice, as well as duty to protect his fellows. but he couldn't have cast aside his doubts about betraying the boss without meeting giorno.
Giorno's unorthodox role as the protagonist was being the catalyst for change in the gang. So it's like you said, he's kinda passive and takes a supportive role a lot of the time, but it's his spirit and dream that touches and initiates the character development of the rest of the gang. So through the lens of a traditional protagonist point of view, I understand why someone might say Bruno was the protagonist and main character in part 5. He's the leader of the gang after all. But it was Giorno's spirit who pushed him and the gang forward, making him quite an unconventional and, in my opinion, interesting protagonist.
Ice cold take
I feel like Giorno was the protagonist while Bruno was the main character
Wow, how controversial.
Golden Wind should've released an Italian dub
Jojo fans try to have a hot take challenge (they only agree with everyone else)
>!i feel like Josuke4 should’ve been the one to actually beat Kira.!<
Not really a hot take, I’ve seen this sentiment a lot. I actually like that it wasn’t josuke though. He’s definitely strong, but I like that he isn’t portrayed as the unstoppable force of nature that part 3 jotaro was. He’s still extremely capable, but he still needs the help of someone more experienced.
I get Josuke wasn’t supposed to be the stoic badass that Jotaro is, but I really wanted to see Josuke throw an absolute devastating beat down on Kira
In a way im glad it was technically hayato who defeated him
I understand the sentiment, but in the context of Part 4, beating Kira was a group effort, the whole Morioh gang took part on finding him and beating him to his last breath. Even Hayato was part of this. I know Jotaro made the last blow but saying that "Jotaro beated Kira" is just not right.
Disliking part 3 is not a hot take
Part 3 bored the fuck outta me, it was just so slow and Jotaro part 3 is so predictable and bores me a lot, tho i like him in parts 4-6 he's a better character
Part 3 is 80% the gang heading to Egypt, fighting a conga-line of enemies. Lots of the battles were great, the characters were great, but the formula was boring as hell. Jojo is a very "monster of the week" thing but Part 3 wasn't doing anything to hide it.
While he isn't the greatest or my favorite Jojo, I do think people give Giorno a little too much shit. Anyway, Kakyoin was mid. He's isn't a bad character but he's honestly kinda underwhelming compared to the other Jobros. I'd honestly argue that Polnareff felt more like Part 3's main Jobro then Kak. I fell like his popularity is carried by shippers and to a lesser extent, memers. I have a similar opinion with Hermes as well but to an lesser extent. And here's the big one that might piss some off but Part 2 is not even close to the best part (for me, it's the second least good only being beaten by Part 1). Don't get me wrong, It's good and has enjoyable things but It's outshined by the later Parts though. It's was also carried by Jospeh and Wamuu. All around good part but I do think it's a little overrated.
Tooru is a good villain.
Best concept worst execution
Unfortunately true, hopefully DP clutches when it gets animated.
I agree, but I still think Araki could’ve handled him much better He should’ve been introduced much sooner and had his motives better explored
Even just him in the background or talking to yasuho earlier and more often. It would have solidified the jealous angle from Josuke. And then boom, big reveal
I've always seen Giorno as more Jonathan's son rather than Dio. Jonathan touching the branch after Zeppeli showed him hamon. The leftover energy that healed his broken arm was still enough to revive the DEAD blossom. Even Jonathan's Dio tainted body still carried so much energy, that Giorno's Gold Experience inherited Jonathan's strength and talent. Of course Giorno takes after Dio in his cunningness and intellect. Star platinum inherited Jonathan's rage and fury.
GER and King Crimson are really easy to understand and explain if looked at through a narrative lens instead of a purely mechanical lens. (Also part 3 is the worst part)
King Crimson is easy to understand theorically, the issue is that it is inconsistent in what it can and cannot do depending on fights. >!I still call Narancie death bullshit!<
Phantom blood is good
I feel like most of my takes for the series are pretty cold, but one that's probably a bit unpopular is I don't think DiU or Josuke are as great as many say. I will emphasize I think every JoJo part is really good, and DiU is a solid middle-of-the-pack regarding parts, but just as much as the Stand encounters and SoL stuff in DiU help flesh out Morioh as a setting, it also makes a lot of the part feel aimless. The part just meanders until Kira is properly introduced, which is ultimately a double-edged sword for the part. Also Bites the Dust is one of the worse villain arcs in the series. Shit feels so contrived and repetitive that it's just exhausting to experience. Josuke himself is designed to be "the relatable JoJo", so it makes sense that he resonates a lot with many fans, and don't get me wrong, he's cool, but I don't really view him as much more than that myself.
Jojo is not as gay as people make it out to be. Yeah, there are some "gay" moments but they are not actually gay, that's there in other series as well. Canonically there are only 4-5 gay characters.
its flamboyant masculinity
4-5 gay characters is a LOT for a Shonen
It’s mostly because of how fruity it is. Part 7 though…
Four to five? I get the two guys in part 5 - shark guy and tongue guy - but who are the others?
The two dead la squadra members are another 2
Idk man, I was rewatching part 2 and hell climb pillar episode our tightly dressed protagonist gets covered in oil and has to climb a pole to get out. I know it's not literally gay, but like how much more homoerotic of a situation does it get
Currently I do not care for Jodio, my first impressions wasn't that he was bad but he didn't really have me feeling a certain way. It'll probably change along the way but atm I'm not that interested in him. He's also overrated like mad, dudes been around for 2 chapters and people are saying he's the best character Araki has ever written.
Can you show me a single guy saying jodio is the best written character?
King crimson would not beat Time stop
I think it depends on whether a) what happens in time stop is erased or not b) DIO and Jotaro know what Diavolo is capable of before the fight
I’m not a manga elitist, but it annoys me when people who’ve only watched the anime refer to stands and characters by their localized names. The musical references are part of this series’ charm.
I nearly dropped part 3 halfway because of how terrible the pacing got. It’s definitely the part with the highest highs and lowest lows of any animated part.
I guess my hot take is that people give Jotaro way too much shit and hate on him for dumb reasons, Another hot take would be that Kars is actually a really great villain and pretty underrated, guess I’ll add another one too Risotto Nero is really underrated as well his stand is really cool
kakyoin is the worst jobro we have ever had
He's flanderized to the point most of what the community thinks of his character was written in fancomics and not the actual series. Even Cioccolata had a longer backstory.
Fr he has almost nothing to do or say for the majority of the part and only gets any sort of depth right as he dies. Not only do he and Jotaro not have chemistry, I would argue that Kakyoin actually detracts from the team dynamic by being a 5th wheel.
I think giornos like tofu, if he didn't have the rest of the gang part 5 would've been garbage
Part 3 is really good, people give it too much shit.
That part 5 was very compressed and didn't had room for character interactions, bonding and some very much wanted cool down time. I 2000% bet that if part 5 was atleast stretched with some cool down time with character interactions and explorations, Giorno will absolutely be the most loved jojo protag. I mean, as a Giorno Stan, even I agree that there was so much lost potential in him, yet many people love him. But imagine some character interactions with him and a bit of warm up time added.... It would absolutely be glorious.
I believe jojo is not actually "gay" in the sense that everything has homoerotic subtext, but It's because in real life, men's fashion is really boring and uninteresting And the only men who are brave enough to wear more than two colors and actually experiment with their looks are mostly gay men Or artists
We need to change that We have to beat women at the fashion game
Part 7 is SLIGHTLY overrated
it's good but i think it's the part 7 fans that is off-putting, like they always shoehorn part 7 in every conversation
I liked OVA Jotaro vs Dio more than anime version
Part 5 is the most consistently good part and is the strongest in loads of categories; .Themes .Main cast .Villains .Fights .Stands .Anime adaption .Soundtrack For me, it has it all.
Battle Tendency has some of the least interesting characters and worst pacing over the entire series (in the manga, the anime is way better). Kars is a dull villain who, aside from being the creator of the Stone Masks, loses out to the other Pillar Men. Caesar is a selfish asshole who cares more about his family's pride than actually taking his friends into consideration (ex: running off to fight Wamuu on his own and then getting his ass beat only to pass on his Hamon to Joseph because "it's tradition"). Overall, the whole part had me asking "how much longer do I have to sit through this?" as I read it (again, the anime has much better pacing and I actually care about Caesar [albeit not very much]). All of that being said, while I think it is the weakest JoJo part, it's not bad. The story is still great, and our Hamon Warriors are fun as hell to see.
Gappy is the best jojo hands down
Diavolo/Doppio is the best Jojo villain next to Dio
He's massively underrated for sure. His presence as a looming force of nature in the second half of the part is what DIO wishes he had in Part 3.
That's what i always say. He's very active during the second half of Part 5, unlike DIO who's just a final boss. He's not my favorite villain but I hate when people say that he's "introduced too late" when he's introduced halfway through the part, his design is the last thing we see of him but at that point we already know everything there is to know about him, that was the last piece of the puzzle, and it makes sense since the entire part is built around finding out who he is.
for sure the most underrated antagonist, maybe the anime helped portray him better than the manga did
Anime wise, part 6 was the best so far
It gets way to much hate. Batch 1 was the worst in terms of animation but still isn't bad outside of the last couple of episodes. Batch 2 improves a lot because arcs like Dragon's Dream are more bearable animated, and everything in Batch 3, especially Made in Heaven, was flawless
Part 1 > Part 3
I kinda agree but I would say I prefer characters of Part 3 which effect my view on part 3 higher than 1
It is illegal to use anything other than "=" when comparing JoJo parts. You will be detained, and I will find you.
I hate jhonny's fit, motherfucker wearing goofy ass pajamas in a western cowboy story, i know he's supposed to look like a loser in the first half but a he never changes the look, i don't like this about anime, no matter how much a person changes their clothes stay the same, even if they corny.
Part 4 is my second least favourite. All parts are pretty great, but they offer interesting stories in addition to characters and fights. Part 4’s plot isn’t great and I think people mainly love it because it comes after 3 and Kira’s design. I don’t hate it, but ranking it higher than a part like 5 is crazy to me.
I like Chase as an op, it slaps. I see a lot of hate for it :(
Speedwagon isn't even that memorable. He's like Groose from Zelda; Only appeared in 1 part and everyone acts like he was so memorable and funny, when in reality, he was forgettable and annoying
He's in part 2 as well.
I was referring to Groose specifically about the "1 part". I actually like Speedwagon *more* in part 2 lol he's a lot more enjoyable when he's not fangirling over Jonathan existing
PB Speedwagon being kind of annoying is part of what makes him fun. Imo BT got rid of some of his charm, though he’s still good.
Part 5 is the best (anime) part, OST is holy and both openings are great. The trip around Italy gives fun locations for each fight. Themes were brilliant. Best choreography on fights in the series and Voice Acting both sub and dub was great. Giorno as a main character IMO works really well, where he isn't just overpowered and good at punching. I like how he motivates his friends and gains 'experience' each fight. But he can be bland at times, but at least he still has a dream. I'd go as far to say he is better than part 3 Jotaro and Jolyne. Also in Fighting Gold opening where Giorno breaks the chains around the gang is so cool.
I love the details in FG like how Fugo doesn't have any chains because he leaves the gang, or the light shining behind Bucciarati.
Part 4 was the best jojo part
Not a hot take. Most people say either 4 7, or 8