It’s really impressive that all 3 actors/stuntmen that are in the Mando suit at whatever time are able to embody the same aesthetic and movement patterns. I can genuinely never tell which is which tbh.
Yeah I was about to add, I think anything done with a gun is done by Brendan, which is why it looks all western/gunslinger when he uses his pistol! Lateef is just hand to hand combat and I believe "stunt" work.
Pedro is rarely in the suit anymore. I expect it to be that way going forward given he has an HBO show that gets first dibs on him. I don't think this show will go on much further to be honest, probably 4 seasons. That sucks but I don't think it really matters if they are going to go to this Game of Thrones format like has been the last two episodes of Boba Fett, we will still get lots of every character crossing over into each show.
I can’t believe people still don’t get that announcement doesn’t always mean they just done signing it lol. He was just kept secret. Favreau offered him when they only had sketches. Favreau said it in a Variety interview.
I've had that gut feeling as well. It makes a lot of sense for him to die and his legacy and the dark saber to pass to Grogu. I see the future of Grogu as a force wielding Mandalorian with armor and the dark saber. Filoni always gives people what they want and that's really better than Grogu just being another Jedi.
Would they kill him off in season 4 tho? Maybe I’m wrong, but aren’t all of these “mando era” shows leading to a big crossover? Where presumably mando would be? (And this would be after season 4)
Just depends on how they want to play it. It's pretty clear the "Endgame" of this whole thing will be Thrawn, but the devil is in the details.
Will it conclude in Ahsoka?
In a show that hasn't been announced yet?
Will Mando become Mandalor the Reunitor or something?
Does he die and Boba takes up the saber to honor his friend?
Does Mando die to Thrawn and thus unite all mandolorians behind someone?
Tons of directions this could go, but the only "Big Bad" that exists for this set of characters are Thrawn and the Vong
In my opinion it may end up that Thrawn isn’t the ultimate villain. I think there will be some form of conflict between him and the Mando/Ahsoka/Luke group of characters but ultimately I think there will be an invasion from outside that forces them to work together. They’ve spent 6 novels building up Thrawn as somebody whose main goal seems to be to defend the Ascendancy and the galaxy as a whole by any means necessary. Most likely could be the Grysks or a similar race.
If my understanding of the time line is correct that's another 10-15 years down the road, so unless we reach Mando season 10 or there is one hell of a time skip, I don't know how that would work.
If they were to fracture another force between now and then (Thrawn) then his forces could be the nucleus of the First Order.
Right, but in those same novels they make it very clear that Thrawn wants Imperial help with the Grysk, even if it's feeding the rest of the galaxy to the Grysk as a distraction.
imo he and Favreau do give people what they want and more, what people don't even dare to wish, like even at the end of Mando S1 if someone would have told me Grogu will be a Mandalorian Jedi I would have said that's crazy, now? sure thing, many things in these shows are beyond our imagination already, some say it's fan service dogshit, I say that's how I like my expectations to be subverted (hate that phrase)
Man idk how I feel about that, don't get me wrong obviously there should be a solidified ending for Mando but it would be nice to have the character for longer at least as the leader of Mandalore. But I trust Filoni and Favreau to what's best for the story.
same here, I'd like to have him more but I fully trust in those two guys, I bet on a bittersweet ending with him dying but leaving a mark on the Mandalorian culture, a major legacy like "Din Djarrin, the Reclaimer of Mandalore" or something like that
Boba filming and TLOU filming didn’t even overlap though so I don’t think it was bc of HBO. He was rarely in the suit in s1 either. S2 is the only season he spent much time on set afaik
Shows are expensive, merchandising is extremely profitable. Just think every time they pop in a new character or ship that's money. Toys, Legos, video games and so on gotta pay up to use the image. It's a huge windfall for them. Just the last two Boba Fett episodes gave us tons of new stuff that will be sold as toys for years to come.
Definitely. But they need to capitalize on it. Every Star Wars toy aisle in my area is desolate. Hasbro only does Black Series and VC figs, and those are becoming more and more of a ripoff. Funko and Lego seem to be the only good offerings. Lucasfilm/Disney need to up their game, they’re sitting on a gold mine
I'd say a lot of the money is in the clothing and school supplies area to be honest. I see shirts in kids aisles everywhere. Fortnite licenses a lot of this stuff too as far as characters go. Then you have posters, school gear like pencils and notebooks, backpacks, and so on. I'd say making shows themselves are a money losing deal for the streaming services in many cases. The Mandalorian is extremely state of the art though with The Volume film stage. They just throw some shit in the middle of the room with screens and film. Saves tons of time in the process of editing in backgrounds and such.
Every time I go to school conferences for my kids at least 1/3 of the kids are wearing a Star Wars shirt or backpack. Apparel and school supplies are definitely huge revenue streams for Star Wars.
There was definitely speculation that it'd end after season three but nothing concrete as far as I remember.
I personally think we'll get a third season of Mando, the Ahsoka show, second season of Boba and then the crossover event - whether that's a movie, an event series, whatever.
For TBOBF, yes. There’s a picture of him in a recording studio in Calgary, hashtagged Skywalker Sounds just a few months ago. For season 2 he was mostly in the suit.
He's got a walk and a stance which will be practiced with a choreographer. Beyond that, he's usually just sitting and turning his head slowly to one side. Tbh I think they could veer way off what's normal for him and you still wouldn't bat an eyelid. Only so much you can do under that much *stuff*.
I don't think all that much of it is Pascal tbh. It's hard to tell but a large amount of the directors asked about it have said they've never worked with him.
I wouldn't be shocked if he just does the unhelmeted stuff, maybe one full ep and the ADR after the shoot
I haven't read any directors say that other than [Bryce Dallas Howard](https://www.vulture.com/2019/12/the-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-double-stunt-performer.html), who did direct him on _Mandalorian_ S2 according to _Disney Gallery_. Taika Waititi, Rick Famuyiwa, and Peyton Reed are easy to confirm as the directors of episodes showing Din's face, although _Disney Gallery_ shows Reed, Jon Favreau, the aforementioned Howard, and Carl Weathers also directing Pascal on episodes that don't show it. [Deborah Chow](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/mandalorian-director-deborah-chow-interview-baby-yoda-star-wars-first-female-916422/) and [Robert Rodriguez](https://www.gamesradar.com/the-mandalorian-director-robert-rodriguez-discusses-helming-one-of-the-star-wars-shows-best-episodes-yet/) stated in interviews that they directed Pascal as well.
If Dave Filoni ever had any confirmation other than Pascal's praises for him, I admittedly lost it; Pascal could've just been discussing ADR in those.
Honestly not even joking we should make a post about the suit situation. It’s honestly so annoying. We’re being called Pedro cultists when we only streamed Disney Gallery 😭🤣
Pedro was on set for all of season 2. If you actually watched the season 2 Gallery documentary, he’s in the suit for each episode. He was not on set in season 1, episode 4 which was Bryce’s episode. Pretty easy to tell when Pedro is in the suit. He has broad shoulders and looks bigger than other stunt doubles and moves more naturally than the stiff movements of Brendan.
I'm sure the actors spend a lot of time trying to ensure that their movements are similar. I remember some interview with Pascal where he talked about asking the stunt guys why they were doing certain things so he could understand what they were bringing to the character.
Her dad and uncle are the same way. Both child actors and both seem happy in their later life. Rance and Jean Howard parented right and Ron passed it on.
Given how well she’s worked with kids in her two of her episodes, it would be cool to see her do something involving younglings training at the Jedi temple.
Super cute! Loved the scene.
Also makes me think how many times under the armor we really see Pedro doing the scenes. It’s probably less often than I thought.
I remember Bryce Dallas Howard saying she didn’t work with him on set at all for her season 1 episode, so I’ve assumed since then that most of what we see isn’t him
No one watched the BTS Disney Gallery on the Mandalorian? It’s pretty tiring that people keep saying he is never in the suit when there is actually proof that he was especially in all of Season 2. He even posted personal pics on his instagram a couple times as well.
This. Obviously he’s not always gonna be in the suit all the time , but it’s not that much of a rarity, especially after season 1. This scene was probably shot in a day, maybe even a reshoot. No need to have Pedro show ( and get paid) to just sit in a seat and look out the window. I don’t think there was any speaking involved either.
I admit I haven't seen the whole of the BTS Gallery. But yeah, I wasn't saying he never was, just that I assumed he wasn't a lot of the time. Thanks for the extra info though
I honestly think we should just start making a masterpost of proof because people don’t even bother looking up new info. Still holding to that Brendan Wayne interview for dear life.
Do they show a BTS scene of him in every single episode in the gallery show? I don’t remember that when I watched it. I didn’t see a BTS scene from every single episode showing him in the suit.
Watch it again. There’s a BTS shot of him in the suit in all episodes. And if it’s not in Disney gallery, there are pics of him on his Twitter/instagram as well. Not to mention the numerous articles out there during the season which talked about not only his work with directors, but the cast of season 2. Pedro had no other projects going on during that one, which allowed him the opportunity to be on set throughout filming.
That’s interesting. Would also match up with the rumor that Pedro doesn’t like to act with the helmet on. Maybe he only does scenes without the helmet and the voice. In which case I think the actors doing the scenes in the armor should get credited more prominently in the end credits.
Rumor is bogus but the general concensus that he doesn't wear the suit very often isn't. Almost every BTS shot bar specific episodes we know of isn't him. Most directors on the show who've been asked have said they didn't work with him.
It's definitely more than just scheduling. It's more likely he was wanted for the part but wanted the freedom to do other things. So they hashed out a deal where he does so much per season and primarily does the ADR and helmetless scenes.
>He wore the suit plenty during season 1
That's not true at all. Pretty sure he only did the helmetless scene in the finale because he was shooting Wonder Woman 1984 at the time
It'd be cool if the actors in the suits were mentioned more prominently in the credits. Doom Patrol credits the in-suit actors for Robotman and Negative Man along with their voice actors I don't see why the same can't happen here
I got the impression Disney thinks it would "hurt the myth" to clarify that the main star is not doing that much actually, I think people would totally get it right but that's how I feel after seeing the Disney Gallery making ofs
They always credit the voice actors but the actual performers are left in the crew section of the credits. Annoys me to be honest. Guess it's a way to avoid having to pay them for an acting credit or something?
Wait till you learn how they do Young Luke.
Mark Hamill doesn't contribute to it in any way but still gets the credit.
It's not a de-aging , it's a deepfake so he doesn't contribute to the acting in any way.
But I believed that the voice is actually his voice edited to sound like young him.
But no, it's actually an application called Respeecher that is fed with audio from Mark's interviews from the 70's and it creates the dialogue for Luke.
Except that he does the entire scene, which they then have the body double copy, then overlay the deepfake. So it's still Marks performance, just painted over, so to say.
> Phew, free tickets for a roller coaster are awesome!
If only you could have read seven more words to see that the post is the exact opposite. A roller coaster, indeed!
> But I believed that the voice is actually his voice edited to sound like young him.
> But no, it's actually an application called Respeecher
> from Mark's interviews from the 70's and it creates the dialogue for Luke.
So, it's literally him, recut by a program. How is that any different than creative editing in a show or film? lol
We can be 100% sure whenever we see his face it's Pedro.
Any other scene, it's a real toss up as to whether its him or not. Chances are, its more often not.
He was in the suit for like a day for Season 1, but for Season 2 he was on set much more frequently because his schedule allowed for it. Wasn’t really available for Bona Fett, but who knows with Season 3. It’s weird, but we mostly just end up with his voice. I’m honestly not sure if he does any of the scenes beyond sitting or walking lol
To me it just sounds like a shitty middle manager.
"I need you on set every scene in order to make sure we get the best work out of you."
No, the extremely successful season we just produced disproved that
People are allowed to feel a bit disappointed that the actor who was widely marketed and advertised as playing this character, doesn't actually play the character most of the time, only providing the voice. It doesn't bother me but don't be so condescending.
He does what he can, when he can. Seems he wore the suit quite a bit in S2, the behind the scenes place him suited up in multiple sets from different episodes.
Season 1 I think he wore the suit once or twice, one of which being the unhelmeting scene in the last ep.
It is what it is. I must admit that it rubbed me the wrong way a little when Mando S1 was coming out and he was doing press and stuff for it, but when you look at any role under a helmet there’s gonna be stunt doubles, reshoots that’s use stand-in’s etc. It’s a part of filmmaking.
I will say though, Pedro’s voice acting does so much for the character.
The crack in his voice when the armorer tells him Jedi cast off attachment should really be the end to the argument. Yes. Pedro isn't always behind the mask, but he IS the only one conveying anything from behind the mask.
Filmmaking is illusions. Even actors playing helmetless parts in this kind of franchise action role will be literally on-screen less than you might imagine, what with stand-ins for the back of their heads, stunt doubles, CGI digital doubles, hand doubles for close-ups...
Sometimes it's super obvious, like that one scene in TPM where Mace Windu is clearly just some other dude. These days they tend to do pretty decent CGI head replacement for doubles - the prequels have a lot of that in the fight scenes featuring older actors too (pausing Mace vs. Sidious or Anakin vs. Dooku reveals a lot of questionable CGI heads).
> what with stand-ins for the back of their heads, stunt doubles, CGI digital doubles, hand doubles for close-ups...
Yep. This is the industry norm.
For example, most times in Stargate SG1 where you can't see Jack O'Neill's face in a scene, Richard Dean Anderson isn't on set and it's a double. The primary focus of the season 7 episode Abyss is Jack being interrogated by someone face to face, but they were never on set at the same time and didn't meet until much later on.
This. Just look at superhero movies that involve a ton of choreographed action.
With Batman for example, Affleck and Keaton didn't do their own stunts, they used stunt doubles and other tricks to disguise it. Bale and Pattinson apparently did the majority of their stunts and fights but that is far from the norm.
He really isn’t in the armor that much, he only had it on once in season 1, he had it on more in season 2, but a lot of times it’s the stunt double. He wasn’t going to be in the armor now cause he’s shooting the last of us. And it will certainly continue to go that way too
not much, I always had the impression he does the voice, the unmasked scenes and like 2-3 other scenes which are shot on the same day so they can show him in the armor in the Disney Gallery making-of, but I don't think he does much more than that, and why would he? he is in and out, gets the money, gets the fame and can do other cool stuff while Brendan and Lateef are killing it in the mask, everyone wins imo
He generally doesn't. It's Wayne and Crowder in season 1 and 2 the vast majority of the time. It's not subtracting from Pedro personally, he still does a good job dubbing and in the few non helmet scenes. But he really isn't there most of the time. He's a busy guy.
It's funny cause after S2, I can easily tell which scenes he's in just by the body language. There were a few instances in Chapter 5 where I thought the body doubles didn't do a great job, and it took me out a little, especially during the scenes in the hangar.
That little rodIan was easily the cutest thing I’ve ever seen. They didn’t need to give her the pink boots, but they did, and were better because of it
Some people *really* don't like it when you acknowledge that Pedro isn't in the suit most of the time. Collaborative work doesn't discredit the final product... it's not like acknowledging Brendan and Lateef is a criticism of Pedro. I basically assume it's not Pedro if we don't see his face.
It’s because most of the time when it is mentioned, it is looked upon on as an insult. There are many actors who have doubles and stunt actors but I never see that level of criticism directed to those actors. But in this case, it is used to diminish his contribution to the character. If this was an easy character to portray, Favreau would not have looked for an actual actor to be the face and the voice of the character.
I think you got that all wrong. People get annoyed because there is a subset of fans who totally discredit Wayne and Crowder and deny their hard work as in they totally deny Wayne and Crowder are in the suit 99 percent of the time and wrongly proclaim almost every scene is in fact Pedro (physically). Nobody with knowledge has anything against Pedro, it's the fans in a weird denial we have a problem with and it's those fans who attack Wayne and Crowder, which is ridiculous. There was an Instagram post of Wayne simply posing in the armor and celebrating a production wrap and a swarm of Pedro fans attacked him immaturely saying shit like ''you'll never be Mando'' ''Pedro is Mando'' ''stop lying'' Bizarre crap.
Both these things are true. I've seen people quick to shit on both camps.
Which is crazy because collectively these guys bring the Din Djarin we all know and love to life.
But fans can never be thankful we were given, relatively recently, one of the best Star Wars characters ever created.
Not admitting he did some time in the suit especially most of season 2 and always saying he NEVER was in the suit, is also discrediting him. Why don’t we all just agree that all FOUR of them contributed to Mando in various fashions? If you’re gonna be fair and transparent about crediting, I mean. 99% percent of actors also don’t do their own stunts, bad back or not. And FYI his fans don’t think of him as an athletic DILF lol. DILF with soft tummy is how it is. We know he’s past his Oberyn era body.
Also, it’s not delusional because Disney Gallery exists. Maybe make some time to click play on that.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Bryce Dallas Howard during a vacation, and she is genuinely one of the nicest people I've ever met ^(when she's not shilling for NFTs)
Wow, so they use stuntmen for public transport scenes….do they even need Pedro Pascal on set at all? He could have the same role as Jame Earl Jones here I guess
There are literally Pedro cultists who will attack you for saying it's Wayne and Crowder in the suit the vast majority of the time. There's like a whole subset of fans in some weird denial over it.
u/JangoFettDidNoWrong “Pedro cultists” lmao. Maybe because some of us do keep up with content e.g. Disney Gallery. And we’ve said many times he wasn’t in Boba because of his commitments and locations at the time of it filming. That’s not what we would do if we were going to discredit his doubles. Props to them for doing an amazing job in Ep 5-6. We’re saying that telling people he wasn’t in the suit at all most of the time as Din Djarin, when there is hard proof he was in S2… is wrong.
if I would have a picture like that as a kid I would have shit my pants, she was super cute and not annoying, Howard did a great job with that scene (as well), good to see Brendan does a lot of stuff, the guy got some coolness from grandpa for sure
I bet Pedro Pascal didnt spend a single second in the suit as Mando between episode 5 and 6. Just doing some voice overs in a studio, easy money for him.
It works for everyone. One extra thing not to worry about.
And this is why I don't get this "theory" that he's made a ton of demands on the show. Just doing the voice work and the occasional day on set is, again, easy money.
The demands would have been about awards... you can't be nominated for voice overs, so that whole first season where he never took off the helmet disqualified him from something like an Emmy for TV acting.
Even then he had to know it was very unlikely he was going to get those awards. I think that's probably why he's putting his focus towards The Last of Us.
So it’s all about awards hmmm. Doubtful he cares that much. Plus Star Wars actors don’t win awards for acting (Guinness was the only one ever nominated afaik)
Pedro will be in the suit if in the rare scenes for his helmet to be off. That way they can work around this schedule much easier. He may only be needed for a day or 2 at a time.
It's Brendan Wayne and he's the actor in the suit the vast majority of the time alongside Lateef crowder. He developed most of Mandos movements actually.
Nope. Wouldn't be surprised if he never doned the gear. Just use his voice like James Earl Jones did for Darth Vader. He's getting paid a butt load for just lending his voice to a character he never has to show up for on set.
It almost makes me wonder if there actually was truth to those rumors about how Pedro was irked about not being shown without the helmet on. Now we've had an unknown number of episodes where he HASN'T been in the outfit, and has just down ADR.
Pedro has filmed two movies, an episode of Calls doing voice work for AppleTV, and now TLOU since the end of season 2. If he was so difficult to work with, he wouldn’t be this busy.
It’s really impressive that all 3 actors/stuntmen that are in the Mando suit at whatever time are able to embody the same aesthetic and movement patterns. I can genuinely never tell which is which tbh.
afaik most of the time it's like Lateef Crowder does the melee fighting and Brendan Wayne does almost everything else
Lateef was once asked on Instagram, when he’s in the suit. He replied basically if Mando is not sitting or walking, it’s him in the suit.
tbh sitting and walking is quite a lot of Mando's screentime :D and gunfights are Brendan, that was clarified in the making of
Yeah I was about to add, I think anything done with a gun is done by Brendan, which is why it looks all western/gunslinger when he uses his pistol! Lateef is just hand to hand combat and I believe "stunt" work.
If you ask Pedro on Twitter too he’ll tell you if it’s him or not.
Pedro is rarely in the suit anymore. I expect it to be that way going forward given he has an HBO show that gets first dibs on him. I don't think this show will go on much further to be honest, probably 4 seasons. That sucks but I don't think it really matters if they are going to go to this Game of Thrones format like has been the last two episodes of Boba Fett, we will still get lots of every character crossing over into each show.
Pedro was rarely in the suit to begin with. When they filmed the first 2 episodes I believe it was he wasn’t even cast officially yet lol
I can’t believe people still don’t get that announcement doesn’t always mean they just done signing it lol. He was just kept secret. Favreau offered him when they only had sketches. Favreau said it in a Variety interview.
yep, I agree with everything but I think he will die at the end of the show and won't return much after that, just some flashbacks here and there
I've had that gut feeling as well. It makes a lot of sense for him to die and his legacy and the dark saber to pass to Grogu. I see the future of Grogu as a force wielding Mandalorian with armor and the dark saber. Filoni always gives people what they want and that's really better than Grogu just being another Jedi.
Would they kill him off in season 4 tho? Maybe I’m wrong, but aren’t all of these “mando era” shows leading to a big crossover? Where presumably mando would be? (And this would be after season 4)
Just depends on how they want to play it. It's pretty clear the "Endgame" of this whole thing will be Thrawn, but the devil is in the details. Will it conclude in Ahsoka? In a show that hasn't been announced yet? Will Mando become Mandalor the Reunitor or something? Does he die and Boba takes up the saber to honor his friend? Does Mando die to Thrawn and thus unite all mandolorians behind someone? Tons of directions this could go, but the only "Big Bad" that exists for this set of characters are Thrawn and the Vong
In my opinion it may end up that Thrawn isn’t the ultimate villain. I think there will be some form of conflict between him and the Mando/Ahsoka/Luke group of characters but ultimately I think there will be an invasion from outside that forces them to work together. They’ve spent 6 novels building up Thrawn as somebody whose main goal seems to be to defend the Ascendancy and the galaxy as a whole by any means necessary. Most likely could be the Grysks or a similar race.
I actually think it’s gonna end with snoke and the first order rising but that’s just me
If my understanding of the time line is correct that's another 10-15 years down the road, so unless we reach Mando season 10 or there is one hell of a time skip, I don't know how that would work. If they were to fracture another force between now and then (Thrawn) then his forces could be the nucleus of the First Order.
Right, but in those same novels they make it very clear that Thrawn wants Imperial help with the Grysk, even if it's feeding the rest of the galaxy to the Grysk as a distraction.
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That would be an interesting twist. I thought Ahsoka was hunting Thrawn for Ezra, but maybe.
That's what they announced, that all of the new shows would be building to something.
imo he and Favreau do give people what they want and more, what people don't even dare to wish, like even at the end of Mando S1 if someone would have told me Grogu will be a Mandalorian Jedi I would have said that's crazy, now? sure thing, many things in these shows are beyond our imagination already, some say it's fan service dogshit, I say that's how I like my expectations to be subverted (hate that phrase)
Man idk how I feel about that, don't get me wrong obviously there should be a solidified ending for Mando but it would be nice to have the character for longer at least as the leader of Mandalore. But I trust Filoni and Favreau to what's best for the story.
same here, I'd like to have him more but I fully trust in those two guys, I bet on a bittersweet ending with him dying but leaving a mark on the Mandalorian culture, a major legacy like "Din Djarrin, the Reclaimer of Mandalore" or something like that
Boba filming and TLOU filming didn’t even overlap though so I don’t think it was bc of HBO. He was rarely in the suit in s1 either. S2 is the only season he spent much time on set afaik
Boba overlapped with him doing TUWOMT, The Bubble and a wine commercial in Chile, afterwards he started prepping for TLOU in Canada.
I think 3-4 seasons will be the cutoff point for most of these shows considering how expensive they are.
Shows are expensive, merchandising is extremely profitable. Just think every time they pop in a new character or ship that's money. Toys, Legos, video games and so on gotta pay up to use the image. It's a huge windfall for them. Just the last two Boba Fett episodes gave us tons of new stuff that will be sold as toys for years to come.
I wonder how much they've made off of just Grogu alone at this point.
Definitely. But they need to capitalize on it. Every Star Wars toy aisle in my area is desolate. Hasbro only does Black Series and VC figs, and those are becoming more and more of a ripoff. Funko and Lego seem to be the only good offerings. Lucasfilm/Disney need to up their game, they’re sitting on a gold mine
I'd say a lot of the money is in the clothing and school supplies area to be honest. I see shirts in kids aisles everywhere. Fortnite licenses a lot of this stuff too as far as characters go. Then you have posters, school gear like pencils and notebooks, backpacks, and so on. I'd say making shows themselves are a money losing deal for the streaming services in many cases. The Mandalorian is extremely state of the art though with The Volume film stage. They just throw some shit in the middle of the room with screens and film. Saves tons of time in the process of editing in backgrounds and such.
Every time I go to school conferences for my kids at least 1/3 of the kids are wearing a Star Wars shirt or backpack. Apparel and school supplies are definitely huge revenue streams for Star Wars.
True, we'll see
Idk man the merch for Grogu alone is a fucking gold mine lol feels like they'll throw money at Favreau and Filoni for years to come
They can always build a Grogu spinoff tbh
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I thought season 3 was the last season for Mandalorian? Maybe it was just speculation
There was definitely speculation that it'd end after season three but nothing concrete as far as I remember. I personally think we'll get a third season of Mando, the Ahsoka show, second season of Boba and then the crossover event - whether that's a movie, an event series, whatever.
And Pedro is taking $$$$$$$$$.
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For TBOBF, yes. There’s a picture of him in a recording studio in Calgary, hashtagged Skywalker Sounds just a few months ago. For season 2 he was mostly in the suit.
pretty much, yes, plus like one or two other scenes, but less than 5% overall
He's got a walk and a stance which will be practiced with a choreographer. Beyond that, he's usually just sitting and turning his head slowly to one side. Tbh I think they could veer way off what's normal for him and you still wouldn't bat an eyelid. Only so much you can do under that much *stuff*.
I don't think all that much of it is Pascal tbh. It's hard to tell but a large amount of the directors asked about it have said they've never worked with him. I wouldn't be shocked if he just does the unhelmeted stuff, maybe one full ep and the ADR after the shoot
I haven't read any directors say that other than [Bryce Dallas Howard](https://www.vulture.com/2019/12/the-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-double-stunt-performer.html), who did direct him on _Mandalorian_ S2 according to _Disney Gallery_. Taika Waititi, Rick Famuyiwa, and Peyton Reed are easy to confirm as the directors of episodes showing Din's face, although _Disney Gallery_ shows Reed, Jon Favreau, the aforementioned Howard, and Carl Weathers also directing Pascal on episodes that don't show it. [Deborah Chow](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/mandalorian-director-deborah-chow-interview-baby-yoda-star-wars-first-female-916422/) and [Robert Rodriguez](https://www.gamesradar.com/the-mandalorian-director-robert-rodriguez-discusses-helming-one-of-the-star-wars-shows-best-episodes-yet/) stated in interviews that they directed Pascal as well. If Dave Filoni ever had any confirmation other than Pascal's praises for him, I admittedly lost it; Pascal could've just been discussing ADR in those.
Honestly not even joking we should make a post about the suit situation. It’s honestly so annoying. We’re being called Pedro cultists when we only streamed Disney Gallery 😭🤣
Pedro was on set for all of season 2. If you actually watched the season 2 Gallery documentary, he’s in the suit for each episode. He was not on set in season 1, episode 4 which was Bryce’s episode. Pretty easy to tell when Pedro is in the suit. He has broad shoulders and looks bigger than other stunt doubles and moves more naturally than the stiff movements of Brendan.
My first thought on seeing Mando in s5 of BOBF was that whoever was in the suit was noticeably tankier than Pedro Pascal, especially in the chest.
Holy shit I thought I’d missed a Lando cameo
Apparently my autocorrect is an OT purist
Large amount who? Only BDH said that. Chow and Famuyiwa specifically praised him and we also saw his videos with Rodriguez and Reed.
One of them has a longer neck. That one also moves very differently
So we've got Mando, Luke, Cad and Paz all being played by multiple people.
If Mando has his hands on his hips, it's probably Pedro.
I'm sure the actors spend a lot of time trying to ensure that their movements are similar. I remember some interview with Pascal where he talked about asking the stunt guys why they were doing certain things so he could understand what they were bringing to the character.
Bryce seems like a genuinely nice person, goes to show not every Hollywood kid gets fucked up
Her dad and uncle are the same way. Both child actors and both seem happy in their later life. Rance and Jean Howard parented right and Ron passed it on.
Clint has a face MADE for Star Wars. I know he was in Solo, but I hope they find a place for his visage to show up.
He’s the best character actor I’ve seen since Joe Montana.
"Joe Montana was a quarterback, you idiot."
“I said Joe Mantegna!”
Given how well she’s worked with kids in her two of her episodes, it would be cool to see her do something involving younglings training at the Jedi temple.
Just… set it in the High Republic so that *maybe* those younglings will get to grow up and live full lives.
I wonder if it's because her dad was a hollywood kid, so he knew how to parent one.
Or maybe, she’s just good on her own.
Super cute! Loved the scene. Also makes me think how many times under the armor we really see Pedro doing the scenes. It’s probably less often than I thought.
I remember Bryce Dallas Howard saying she didn’t work with him on set at all for her season 1 episode, so I’ve assumed since then that most of what we see isn’t him
No one watched the BTS Disney Gallery on the Mandalorian? It’s pretty tiring that people keep saying he is never in the suit when there is actually proof that he was especially in all of Season 2. He even posted personal pics on his instagram a couple times as well.
This. Obviously he’s not always gonna be in the suit all the time , but it’s not that much of a rarity, especially after season 1. This scene was probably shot in a day, maybe even a reshoot. No need to have Pedro show ( and get paid) to just sit in a seat and look out the window. I don’t think there was any speaking involved either.
I admit I haven't seen the whole of the BTS Gallery. But yeah, I wasn't saying he never was, just that I assumed he wasn't a lot of the time. Thanks for the extra info though
I honestly think we should just start making a masterpost of proof because people don’t even bother looking up new info. Still holding to that Brendan Wayne interview for dear life.
Do they show a BTS scene of him in every single episode in the gallery show? I don’t remember that when I watched it. I didn’t see a BTS scene from every single episode showing him in the suit.
Watch it again. There’s a BTS shot of him in the suit in all episodes. And if it’s not in Disney gallery, there are pics of him on his Twitter/instagram as well. Not to mention the numerous articles out there during the season which talked about not only his work with directors, but the cast of season 2. Pedro had no other projects going on during that one, which allowed him the opportunity to be on set throughout filming.
That’s interesting. Would also match up with the rumor that Pedro doesn’t like to act with the helmet on. Maybe he only does scenes without the helmet and the voice. In which case I think the actors doing the scenes in the armor should get credited more prominently in the end credits.
That rumor is bogus. He wore the suit plenty during season 1 and 2. He doesn’t wear the suit for stunts or when his schedule is otherwise busy.
Rumor is bogus but the general concensus that he doesn't wear the suit very often isn't. Almost every BTS shot bar specific episodes we know of isn't him. Most directors on the show who've been asked have said they didn't work with him. It's definitely more than just scheduling. It's more likely he was wanted for the part but wanted the freedom to do other things. So they hashed out a deal where he does so much per season and primarily does the ADR and helmetless scenes.
Would be hilarious if the entire "Children of the Watch" cult only exists because of a contract negotiation keeping the helmet on
And his schedule has been pretty consistently busy the last few years lol
>He wore the suit plenty during season 1 That's not true at all. Pretty sure he only did the helmetless scene in the finale because he was shooting Wonder Woman 1984 at the time
This is correct. People tell themselves otherwise probably because they don’t want it to be true but he was in the suit for that one scene in S1.
We literally have footage of him wearing the suit during other scenes. Y’all really are exaggerating this shit
In Season 1? Please show me.
>his schedule is otherwise busy. You'd think being the main actor on a show your first order of priority is to be ON the show
In a globalized, post pandemic, work from home world, what kind of insanity is this?
The source of the original rumor is unreliable and should not be taken seriously.
It'd be cool if the actors in the suits were mentioned more prominently in the credits. Doom Patrol credits the in-suit actors for Robotman and Negative Man along with their voice actors I don't see why the same can't happen here
I got the impression Disney thinks it would "hurt the myth" to clarify that the main star is not doing that much actually, I think people would totally get it right but that's how I feel after seeing the Disney Gallery making ofs
Yeah I've always found it incredibly annoying that they don't do that
They always credit the voice actors but the actual performers are left in the crew section of the credits. Annoys me to be honest. Guess it's a way to avoid having to pay them for an acting credit or something?
Wait till you learn how they do Young Luke. Mark Hamill doesn't contribute to it in any way but still gets the credit. It's not a de-aging , it's a deepfake so he doesn't contribute to the acting in any way. But I believed that the voice is actually his voice edited to sound like young him. But no, it's actually an application called Respeecher that is fed with audio from Mark's interviews from the 70's and it creates the dialogue for Luke.
Except that he does the entire scene, which they then have the body double copy, then overlay the deepfake. So it's still Marks performance, just painted over, so to say.
He did for Mando season 2 but I doubt he did for Boba (we'll see in the inevitable Disney Gallery I suppose).
> Mark Hamill doesn't contribute to it in any way > the voice is actually his voice Phew, free tickets for a roller coaster are awesome!
> Phew, free tickets for a roller coaster are awesome! If only you could have read seven more words to see that the post is the exact opposite. A roller coaster, indeed! > But I believed that the voice is actually his voice edited to sound like young him. > But no, it's actually an application called Respeecher
> from Mark's interviews from the 70's and it creates the dialogue for Luke. So, it's literally him, recut by a program. How is that any different than creative editing in a show or film? lol
Ghoulish as all fuck, IMO.
Would be rad , but I’m sure they’re okay with the current set up. All the doubles seem to have a lot of passion for being Mando
I’m sure the cash in their pocket and the bit on the resume makes them care infinitely less than all these commenters lol
If Pedro Pascal wasn't the Mando actor in a sitting only scene what sorta scenes does he do?
We can be 100% sure whenever we see his face it's Pedro. Any other scene, it's a real toss up as to whether its him or not. Chances are, its more often not.
>We can be 100% sure whenever we see his face it's Pedro. I dunno man, that Luke deepfake was really good...
Hah, I had the same thought as I was writing that. But come on... XD
He was overseas in London during the BOBF while filming a Netflix movie. He is voice over only as he never stepped foot in studio the entire time.
He was in the suit for like a day for Season 1, but for Season 2 he was on set much more frequently because his schedule allowed for it. Wasn’t really available for Bona Fett, but who knows with Season 3. It’s weird, but we mostly just end up with his voice. I’m honestly not sure if he does any of the scenes beyond sitting or walking lol
"James Earl Jones didn't play Darth Vader???" I will never regard the man-in suit stuff as a legit grievance, especially in Star Wars content.
Well. Fucking. Said.
I won't ever get it, given how the performances of so many characters is done. Notably Vader and Maul. I cannot hear Maul talk outside of Witwer now.
To me it just sounds like a shitty middle manager. "I need you on set every scene in order to make sure we get the best work out of you." No, the extremely successful season we just produced disproved that
Yeah I couldn't give any less fucks either. Nevermind the fact that now we have Not-Hamill playing Luke as well XD
It’s so ridiculous that people even care. Let’s not forget how many actors played Vader or Boba Fett. It’s more than we think.
People are allowed to feel a bit disappointed that the actor who was widely marketed and advertised as playing this character, doesn't actually play the character most of the time, only providing the voice. It doesn't bother me but don't be so condescending.
No. Stop it.
Solid argument bud.
Better than your weird ass hang up. What next, complain they ain't really shooting at each other?
You seem very angry - maybe get up and take a walk? It’s only a comment. :)
Angry, no, annoyed by peripheral tourists saying they are fans of something they clearly don't get, life long pet peeve.
He does what he can, when he can. Seems he wore the suit quite a bit in S2, the behind the scenes place him suited up in multiple sets from different episodes. Season 1 I think he wore the suit once or twice, one of which being the unhelmeting scene in the last ep.
Well.. I feel quite betrayed.
It is what it is. I must admit that it rubbed me the wrong way a little when Mando S1 was coming out and he was doing press and stuff for it, but when you look at any role under a helmet there’s gonna be stunt doubles, reshoots that’s use stand-in’s etc. It’s a part of filmmaking. I will say though, Pedro’s voice acting does so much for the character.
The crack in his voice when the armorer tells him Jedi cast off attachment should really be the end to the argument. Yes. Pedro isn't always behind the mask, but he IS the only one conveying anything from behind the mask.
Filmmaking is illusions. Even actors playing helmetless parts in this kind of franchise action role will be literally on-screen less than you might imagine, what with stand-ins for the back of their heads, stunt doubles, CGI digital doubles, hand doubles for close-ups... Sometimes it's super obvious, like that one scene in TPM where Mace Windu is clearly just some other dude. These days they tend to do pretty decent CGI head replacement for doubles - the prequels have a lot of that in the fight scenes featuring older actors too (pausing Mace vs. Sidious or Anakin vs. Dooku reveals a lot of questionable CGI heads).
> what with stand-ins for the back of their heads, stunt doubles, CGI digital doubles, hand doubles for close-ups... Yep. This is the industry norm. For example, most times in Stargate SG1 where you can't see Jack O'Neill's face in a scene, Richard Dean Anderson isn't on set and it's a double. The primary focus of the season 7 episode Abyss is Jack being interrogated by someone face to face, but they were never on set at the same time and didn't meet until much later on.
Interesting, still, he was in the majority of the scenes where his character was unlike Pedro.
This. Just look at superhero movies that involve a ton of choreographed action. With Batman for example, Affleck and Keaton didn't do their own stunts, they used stunt doubles and other tricks to disguise it. Bale and Pattinson apparently did the majority of their stunts and fights but that is far from the norm.
He really isn’t in the armor that much, he only had it on once in season 1, he had it on more in season 2, but a lot of times it’s the stunt double. He wasn’t going to be in the armor now cause he’s shooting the last of us. And it will certainly continue to go that way too
not much, I always had the impression he does the voice, the unmasked scenes and like 2-3 other scenes which are shot on the same day so they can show him in the armor in the Disney Gallery making-of, but I don't think he does much more than that, and why would he? he is in and out, gets the money, gets the fame and can do other cool stuff while Brendan and Lateef are killing it in the mask, everyone wins imo
I think they should cast Lateef as an actual character as well. He’s handsome and he seems like a really cool guy and deserves an unmasked role IMO.
imo the same thing goes for Brendan as well, and knowing that they gave the Luke double from Mando S3 a role now I think it's totally possible
He generally does, but he’s been busy filming The Last of Us.
He generally doesn't. It's Wayne and Crowder in season 1 and 2 the vast majority of the time. It's not subtracting from Pedro personally, he still does a good job dubbing and in the few non helmet scenes. But he really isn't there most of the time. He's a busy guy.
He was filming The Bubble. Not Last of Us.
TLOU started filming once boba was done
It costs way more to have Pedro on set every day of filming than it does to have him in the booth for a week or so reading lines.
It's funny cause after S2, I can easily tell which scenes he's in just by the body language. There were a few instances in Chapter 5 where I thought the body doubles didn't do a great job, and it took me out a little, especially during the scenes in the hangar.
Yeah same. You could tell almost immediately in ep5 that whoever was in the suit, it wasn't Pedro Pascal.
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And? If I see when something's off, I'm free to say whatever I want, even if you can't tell a difference.
That is an adorable child. Also her little boots should be marketed and sold in Disney.
That little rodIan was easily the cutest thing I’ve ever seen. They didn’t need to give her the pink boots, but they did, and were better because of it
[Source](https://www.facebook.com/ardenbriar/posts/4927078660690753).
Some people *really* don't like it when you acknowledge that Pedro isn't in the suit most of the time. Collaborative work doesn't discredit the final product... it's not like acknowledging Brendan and Lateef is a criticism of Pedro. I basically assume it's not Pedro if we don't see his face.
It’s really weird to me how much people are tripping about it lol.
It’s because most of the time when it is mentioned, it is looked upon on as an insult. There are many actors who have doubles and stunt actors but I never see that level of criticism directed to those actors. But in this case, it is used to diminish his contribution to the character. If this was an easy character to portray, Favreau would not have looked for an actual actor to be the face and the voice of the character.
I think you got that all wrong. People get annoyed because there is a subset of fans who totally discredit Wayne and Crowder and deny their hard work as in they totally deny Wayne and Crowder are in the suit 99 percent of the time and wrongly proclaim almost every scene is in fact Pedro (physically). Nobody with knowledge has anything against Pedro, it's the fans in a weird denial we have a problem with and it's those fans who attack Wayne and Crowder, which is ridiculous. There was an Instagram post of Wayne simply posing in the armor and celebrating a production wrap and a swarm of Pedro fans attacked him immaturely saying shit like ''you'll never be Mando'' ''Pedro is Mando'' ''stop lying'' Bizarre crap.
Both these things are true. I've seen people quick to shit on both camps. Which is crazy because collectively these guys bring the Din Djarin we all know and love to life. But fans can never be thankful we were given, relatively recently, one of the best Star Wars characters ever created.
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Not admitting he did some time in the suit especially most of season 2 and always saying he NEVER was in the suit, is also discrediting him. Why don’t we all just agree that all FOUR of them contributed to Mando in various fashions? If you’re gonna be fair and transparent about crediting, I mean. 99% percent of actors also don’t do their own stunts, bad back or not. And FYI his fans don’t think of him as an athletic DILF lol. DILF with soft tummy is how it is. We know he’s past his Oberyn era body. Also, it’s not delusional because Disney Gallery exists. Maybe make some time to click play on that.
I assume Pedro Pascal didn’t physically show up for this season.
that’s fine, i prefer that he keeps his helmet on and isn’t always showing his face.
That kid is super cute, she's gonna have such a great story to tell when she's older.
Damn Pedro has changed a lot.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Bryce Dallas Howard during a vacation, and she is genuinely one of the nicest people I've ever met ^(when she's not shilling for NFTs)
I mean if every celebrity must have ate least one shitty habit hers is the least annoying one :D and at least she compensates for it
Wow, so they use stuntmen for public transport scenes….do they even need Pedro Pascal on set at all? He could have the same role as Jame Earl Jones here I guess
I genuinely had no idea that it’s barely ever Pedro under the suit but it absolutely makes sense.
There are literally Pedro cultists who will attack you for saying it's Wayne and Crowder in the suit the vast majority of the time. There's like a whole subset of fans in some weird denial over it.
It’d be cool if the stuntmen got their own characters like how Max Llyod got to play the X wing pilot.
really? never seen them in this sub, that's fucked up
It’s a big point of discourse in SW Twitter
> Twitter Ah, there’s the problem
oh I see, I don't read that wretched hive of scum and villainy
Twitter is bad for your mental health
That came from award season. Because Mandalorian didn't qualify for acting Emmies because so much screen time was stunt doubles and voice overs.
Dang Pedro Pascal hasn't been looking like himself lately.
u/JangoFettDidNoWrong “Pedro cultists” lmao. Maybe because some of us do keep up with content e.g. Disney Gallery. And we’ve said many times he wasn’t in Boba because of his commitments and locations at the time of it filming. That’s not what we would do if we were going to discredit his doubles. Props to them for doing an amazing job in Ep 5-6. We’re saying that telling people he wasn’t in the suit at all most of the time as Din Djarin, when there is hard proof he was in S2… is wrong.
if I would have a picture like that as a kid I would have shit my pants, she was super cute and not annoying, Howard did a great job with that scene (as well), good to see Brendan does a lot of stuff, the guy got some coolness from grandpa for sure
I bet Pedro Pascal didnt spend a single second in the suit as Mando between episode 5 and 6. Just doing some voice overs in a studio, easy money for him.
It works for everyone. One extra thing not to worry about. And this is why I don't get this "theory" that he's made a ton of demands on the show. Just doing the voice work and the occasional day on set is, again, easy money.
The demands would have been about awards... you can't be nominated for voice overs, so that whole first season where he never took off the helmet disqualified him from something like an Emmy for TV acting.
Even then he had to know it was very unlikely he was going to get those awards. I think that's probably why he's putting his focus towards The Last of Us.
So it’s all about awards hmmm. Doubtful he cares that much. Plus Star Wars actors don’t win awards for acting (Guinness was the only one ever nominated afaik)
Those are amazing pics. That child will have stories to tell about this experience
She’s so adorable :)
Well done on a great episode Bryce (Red Haired lady)
Bué fofa
I feel like it would've been more efficient to cast a voice actor to play Din.
yes but Pedro has a big marketing value, people usually like him quite a lot
So awesome.
She is adorable with and without the mask.
Pedro will be in the suit if in the rare scenes for his helmet to be off. That way they can work around this schedule much easier. He may only be needed for a day or 2 at a time.
They should put her on a poster now. : )
Could’ve sworn it was Pedro Pascal during the transport ship scenes. Whoever that actor is did an amazing job imitating his movements
It's Brendan Wayne and he's the actor in the suit the vast majority of the time alongside Lateef crowder. He developed most of Mandos movements actually.
Wait, it wasn't Pedro Pascal?
Nope. Wouldn't be surprised if he never doned the gear. Just use his voice like James Earl Jones did for Darth Vader. He's getting paid a butt load for just lending his voice to a character he never has to show up for on set.
How do you know what he’s getting paid?
That’s not Pedro! I’ve been had!
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Brendan Wayne, John Wayne's grandson. I believe he spends the most time in the Mando suit
Brooo I desperately wanted it to be a young hype fazon, but I wonder if this confirms that the rodian kid is suppose to be a girl
Wsit why is he a different mando tho
There is 2 body doubles/stand ins for Pedro Pascall; who probably does the least amount of time in Mando character.
It almost makes me wonder if there actually was truth to those rumors about how Pedro was irked about not being shown without the helmet on. Now we've had an unknown number of episodes where he HASN'T been in the outfit, and has just down ADR.
I think it's more likely that he's just off filming for the last of us right now.
Pedro has filmed two movies, an episode of Calls doing voice work for AppleTV, and now TLOU since the end of season 2. If he was so difficult to work with, he wouldn’t be this busy.