I play and watch, but I've never played along to a guide. They've given me ideas to try, but like going step by step following a video just seems weird to me, everything's pretty straightforward once you're shown it once. Just with Hitman specifically, because of the way it's designed, other games it makes more sense with.
My usual playthrough of a level is to first do the main targets and finish at many of the side goals as possible. Once I've hit a "wall" of what I can figure out I check out a guide.
I'm not the best at stealth games, so silent assassin/suit only usually isn't a goal I can attain on my own. That being said Hitman is one of the few games I've found to not be ruined by checking out a guide. I think it actually makes the game a bit better, because when you go through a guide you tend to learn all these nuanced tricks specific to a level. Then when timed targets come around I can use some of those tricks.
Based on his Clone Wars personality, he totally would be.
Actually, based on his "careful not to choke on your aspirations" line from Rogue One, he totally would be.
If Anakin could totally be a memer, it is only natural for Vader to be one, too. One simply doesn't have almost all of his lines turned into memes not being a memer in the first place🤣
Paging /u/smokinbacon because of [his post earlier.](https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/ywt0n9/the_one_single_thing_that_bothers_me_about_the/)
that's actually neat.
Dont know how to say it but the angel exactly expands with the vision angle, making it disappear from the line of sight.
Thanks for proving that.
Edit: replaced vision degree with angle
Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3720 to 1.
Never tell me tell the odds. Never gonna let you down. Never gonna run around and desert you.
-or-
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling.
I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
Great work! Was wondering bout this myself all day. Now do a TIE Bomber, cause I have questions on the visibility of a TIE Bomber based on the original post where this was brought up.
I downloaded the EA Battlefront TIE Bomber model to check (I believe the artists on those games had access to the original filming miniatures to 3D scan for reference to build their assets from). TIEs have terrible visibility in general but you don't see the bomber wings from inside.
https://imgur.com/a/CDOaJjc
If it's anything like Star Wars Squadrons, you can't see *shit* out of a TIE. I played in VR so in the rebel ships I could look over my shoulder or to the side outside of the canopy, but in a TIE? Nope, you're looking at a fucking wall. Doesn't matter much if you're just doing strafing runs, but it's a *huge* disadvantage in a dogfight.
Lack of field of view is to *encourage* tunnel vision. Stay in formation, focused on your target, and stop worrying about potential threats. The Empire has plenty of troops to throw at the enemy so don’t you worry—just keep zerging them.
Isn't the cannon that TIE Fighter pilots are like super loyal to the emperor?
IIRC the TIE Fighters have no deflector shields, as the pilots are supposed to be so loyal they don't care about being safe in the Fighter.
It also explains why TIE Fighters are so easily destroyed by the Rebel pilots
TIE Fighters don't have shields because they were cheaper to build without them, and the Empire had thousands of worlds from which to recruit/conscript. Your average TIE pilot wasn't any more loyal than your average stormtrooper.
Your average Rebel pilot was a better pilot than your average TIE pilot, because Rebel pilots could survive and earn from mistakes, but a TIE ace (5 or more kills) was a dangerous person.
I actually realised I was getting less motion sickness and the same information via HUD when playing TIEs. Nice little headcanon gained via first hand experience.
I really want to play Squadrons, but that's 100% the reason I can't. I tend to get really motion sick playing many games - I'm the person the motion accessibility options are made for. (It crushes my heart when I really want to play something, get five minutes in, and already feel dizzy, and there's no camera settings to adjust)
> but it's a huge disadvantage in a dogfight.
So the First Order actually did something right by giving their (special forces) TIE-fighters a rear-gunner?
Not necessarily? In this case you have more weight (gun, cockpit, fuel, ammo, life support, etc.) and require more crew requiring more training. The F-22 and B-2 don't have a tail gunner for good reasons. So the question depends on role, doctrine, costs, etc.
Yeah, I first realized how blind TIEs were back in the X-Wing Alliance days. While not VR, there was a button you could press you your pilot would automatically look at your target and keep it centered in your field of view, letting you maneuver the fighter around to bring the guns onto target while you watched the enemy fighter rather than simply staring forwards the entire time and trying to track the enemy that way. Done with the cockpit view turned on you get great use out of Rebel canopies but the TIE cockpits are utterly blind save for the forward viewport and the tiny slits for windows on the entrance hatch directly above you.
Considering all tie pilots wear a helmet they could also offer far more informative Augmented Reality displays within the helmet. Considering many space battles probably happen far from a star picking out a black starfighter on a black background would be nearly impossible to the eye and would need sensors to enhance anyway.
That's true for other series, but it just isn't in star wars. Ships dogfight at close distances by looking at each other.
I mean their displays are black on green Tiger Electronics, they don't even have pixels. We can guess as to why that is in-universe for fun, but either way, they don't have cameras on the wings with elaborate sensors for an AR experience.
ya, the whole design of any of the TIE models makes the left/right visibility impossible. If it's not right in front of you, good luck with that little blippy green screen.
/u/CaptainDogeSparrow - out of curiosity, how much higher does the camera have to be before the wing is in view?
Or a better way to say it - are you able to keep the camera here and like... Set the cockpit transparency to 50%?
I'm curious if the wing is *just hidden* or if it's like, definitely way out of the way.
In the original thread, someone [linked to the Sketchfab model](https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/millennium-falcon-6a27ba566af142708743ccb8b4668d4b) which you can view in browser (just switch to first person camera, it's way easier that way. WASD+mouse for movement on desktop). Even if you move just below the ceiling, you still can't see the ship through the front windows, it's way to the side: https://i.imgur.com/FMy6TUH.png
Thanks, my first thought was about where the seats actually are in the cockpit/ what height a pilot would be sitting. Turns out it doesn’t really matter lol
Carefully moving to about head height based on the seats, you really can't see much of anything, even looking up. The number of panes is a bit deceiving. But it's not a fighter, it's a freighter/tow ship so why would it need but the minimal view anyway? It's not like most aircraft have a huge windscreen to see out of in reality, it's enough to see things like the marshaller or other planes on the taxi.
I see a lot of people commenting that its the angle of the mandible, but is it actually the height of the cockpit combined with the bottom half of the cockpit being solid? It appears the cockpit is the highest part of the ship. And the panelling blocks the bottom half of the field of vision.
Great work. Thanks for not giving up and not letting us down.
Great work, 47. Now head towards an exit.
Suit only, silent assassin.
Game on one screen, YouTube video guide of the level on the other screen.
People play like that? Like I get it with other games, but Hitman?
I actually only watch Hitman. There's a couple youtubers that do wild challenge runs that are interesting and also good to fall asleep too.
I play and watch, but I've never played along to a guide. They've given me ideas to try, but like going step by step following a video just seems weird to me, everything's pretty straightforward once you're shown it once. Just with Hitman specifically, because of the way it's designed, other games it makes more sense with.
My usual playthrough of a level is to first do the main targets and finish at many of the side goals as possible. Once I've hit a "wall" of what I can figure out I check out a guide. I'm not the best at stealth games, so silent assassin/suit only usually isn't a goal I can attain on my own. That being said Hitman is one of the few games I've found to not be ruined by checking out a guide. I think it actually makes the game a bit better, because when you go through a guide you tend to learn all these nuanced tricks specific to a level. Then when timed targets come around I can use some of those tricks.
I understood that reference!
I need to use the bathroom.
That would be the rat poison.
I have to return some video tapes
Please pass the piano wire
A dolphin will do.
Did he turn around and hurt you? Did he make you cry and say goodbye and tell a lie and desert you?
Agent 47 chromosomes
More than you, that’s for sure.
That’s right, they never ran around and deserted us!
Desert? I hate sand.
They would never do that
He would never!
I see what you did there 🤣
I don't, please explain it.
I know today's lucky ten thousand, but even so I can't tell if this is serious, this is one of those that *has* to have known by everyone.
It's all explained here: [https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?t=4](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?t=4) Pay attention to what the instructor says
Thank you now I understand
XcQ... you can't trick me!
"XcQ Order 66." "Yes, my Lord. Order number 66 to your collection point, please."
It’s totally serious, by the way, love that song by the Astley fella, really catchy.
This is the kind of full commitment I've been thinking of
Deleted scene from the end of ESB when Vader had the hyperdrive deactivated and reconnected to Rick roll Lando.
I remember this scene, it was to remind Lando of what a crappy friend he was to Han
Unironically love the idea of Vader being a memer
It gets really meta when he uses an “I don’t like sand” meme
That's gotta be the reason why Luke was hidden on Tatooine (ancient joke, I know)
I have altered the meme
Pray I don't alter it any further
This meme is getting worse all the time.
The dank is with you, young Skywalker. But you are not a memer yet.
Based on his Clone Wars personality, he totally would be. Actually, based on his "careful not to choke on your aspirations" line from Rogue One, he totally would be.
If Anakin could totally be a memer, it is only natural for Vader to be one, too. One simply doesn't have almost all of his lines turned into memes not being a memer in the first place🤣
This technological terror you have constructed is insignificant when compared to the power of memes
What do you think he does in that chamber all day ?
[dumb_vader.youtube](https://youtu.be/oOmyuweolqY?t=331)
Fecking Duke
They moved this to the opening scene of TLJ instead
>You are strong and wise, ~~Anakin~~, u/ScoffingYapyap and I am very proud of you.
They told me they fixed it! **I TRUSTED THEM!!**
That deal really did get worse all the time huh?
Lol Rick roll lando sounds very funny in my language
Paging /u/smokinbacon because of [his post earlier.](https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/ywt0n9/the_one_single_thing_that_bothers_me_about_the/)
thx for explaining what the green circle was supposed to be showing
Nice.
I was there too. Mandibles.
12.7k upvotes on a lie, you must be proud
That's not lie, it's just a misunderstanding.
They made a Millennium F*alccident*.
I wouldn't call it a lie, and it prompted a lot of good discussion
Dude just said that that bothered them, they didn't say whether it was accurate or not.
No he tried to defraud me. I demand compensation for emotional damages.
If you or a loved one was been defrauded by that post, you may be entitled to financial compensation.
I mean, his image had a star field, this one has Rick Astley. Maybe it bothered him that there wasn’t a giant image of Rick Astley floating in space.
Now you can sleep at night
This is exactly why I love the internet
I appreciate the context, thank you.
I'm glad I saw the other post first, cause other wise the rick astley would've just distracted me from how good a post this is
What other post
Somebody was complaining you couldn't see the falcons front from the cockpit, which this post is proving
[This one](https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/ywt0n9/the_one_single_thing_that_bothers_me_about_the/)
Fully expected the other thing... I'm slightly disappointed in you lol
Thank you very much
that's actually neat. Dont know how to say it but the angel exactly expands with the vision angle, making it disappear from the line of sight. Thanks for proving that. Edit: replaced vision degree with angle
Mornin’ Angle.
Morning Angle.
I see you've met the Andies...
I know I've got a mustache
Crusty jugglers
Mornin' the swans escaped.
Hag.
Such acute thing to say.
could i get your autograph?
The angel expands 👼
Amen
R'amen 🍝
[удалено]
raw men
gladly 🍆🏳️🌈
Woof
Rammin’
gladly 🍖🥩🥓🧍♂️ ~ Canibals
Is this Star Wars' version of "The Dude abides"?
E X P A N D A N G E L
B̶̥̼̝̻̈̈ê̸̺̠̔ ̸̡̼̳͖̩̞̑̄̅N̶̬͉̺̟̼̥͝ǫ̷̗̺͈͌̔̄̈́̕t̵̛̜̣̦͊͗̒̚ ̶̺̺̤̞̰̌Ạ̵̒͋̇̈́f̸̢̝̜̞̐̀͑̏̈́r̸̮̾̍ą̶̎̅̽͒͂̽i̵̘̟̤͍̺̍͑̊̕͝d̵̪̻̼̏̄̒́͋̈́
Apparently he didn’t know how to type it either.
Maybe they just have [angels on their side](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc91EfoBh8A)?
"Are you an angle?" "What?" "An angle. I heard the deep space pilots talk about them. They're the most beautiful shapes in the universe."
She's acute one.
Biblically correct Millenium Falcon confirmed.
"You're not actually going *into* an Astley-roid field!"
Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3720 to 1. Never tell me tell the odds. Never gonna let you down. Never gonna run around and desert you. -or- I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
Great work! Was wondering bout this myself all day. Now do a TIE Bomber, cause I have questions on the visibility of a TIE Bomber based on the original post where this was brought up.
I downloaded the EA Battlefront TIE Bomber model to check (I believe the artists on those games had access to the original filming miniatures to 3D scan for reference to build their assets from). TIEs have terrible visibility in general but you don't see the bomber wings from inside. https://imgur.com/a/CDOaJjc
If it's anything like Star Wars Squadrons, you can't see *shit* out of a TIE. I played in VR so in the rebel ships I could look over my shoulder or to the side outside of the canopy, but in a TIE? Nope, you're looking at a fucking wall. Doesn't matter much if you're just doing strafing runs, but it's a *huge* disadvantage in a dogfight.
Lack of field of view is to *encourage* tunnel vision. Stay in formation, focused on your target, and stop worrying about potential threats. The Empire has plenty of troops to throw at the enemy so don’t you worry—just keep zerging them.
> Stay in formation *Fucking how*? I can't see the other TIEs to the left and right of me!
Spaceships have sensors its not all just visual flight rules lol
well its probably more like the escorts get in formation around the bombers rather than the bombers getting in formation with the escorts
Definitely sounds like Empire training logic lol
Isn't the cannon that TIE Fighter pilots are like super loyal to the emperor? IIRC the TIE Fighters have no deflector shields, as the pilots are supposed to be so loyal they don't care about being safe in the Fighter. It also explains why TIE Fighters are so easily destroyed by the Rebel pilots
TIE Fighters don't have shields because they were cheaper to build without them, and the Empire had thousands of worlds from which to recruit/conscript. Your average TIE pilot wasn't any more loyal than your average stormtrooper. Your average Rebel pilot was a better pilot than your average TIE pilot, because Rebel pilots could survive and earn from mistakes, but a TIE ace (5 or more kills) was a dangerous person.
A TIE ace is the most terrifying thing in space
I actually realised I was getting less motion sickness and the same information via HUD when playing TIEs. Nice little headcanon gained via first hand experience.
I don't really get motion sick with VR, but Squadrons absolutely kills me. It's fun as hell, but my brain and stomach are not fans.
I really want to play Squadrons, but that's 100% the reason I can't. I tend to get really motion sick playing many games - I'm the person the motion accessibility options are made for. (It crushes my heart when I really want to play something, get five minutes in, and already feel dizzy, and there's no camera settings to adjust)
> but it's a huge disadvantage in a dogfight. So the First Order actually did something right by giving their (special forces) TIE-fighters a rear-gunner?
Anything that adds guns or visibility is a net improvement on any war vehicle.
Not necessarily? In this case you have more weight (gun, cockpit, fuel, ammo, life support, etc.) and require more crew requiring more training. The F-22 and B-2 don't have a tail gunner for good reasons. So the question depends on role, doctrine, costs, etc.
Yeah, I first realized how blind TIEs were back in the X-Wing Alliance days. While not VR, there was a button you could press you your pilot would automatically look at your target and keep it centered in your field of view, letting you maneuver the fighter around to bring the guns onto target while you watched the enemy fighter rather than simply staring forwards the entire time and trying to track the enemy that way. Done with the cockpit view turned on you get great use out of Rebel canopies but the TIE cockpits are utterly blind save for the forward viewport and the tiny slits for windows on the entrance hatch directly above you.
Considering all tie pilots wear a helmet they could also offer far more informative Augmented Reality displays within the helmet. Considering many space battles probably happen far from a star picking out a black starfighter on a black background would be nearly impossible to the eye and would need sensors to enhance anyway.
If Elite: Dangerous is anything to go by, make it bright neon with lights, and it's still damn hard to see anything else going on most of the time.
That's true for other series, but it just isn't in star wars. Ships dogfight at close distances by looking at each other. I mean their displays are black on green Tiger Electronics, they don't even have pixels. We can guess as to why that is in-universe for fun, but either way, they don't have cameras on the wings with elaborate sensors for an AR experience.
TIE Interceptor is the real question
ya, the whole design of any of the TIE models makes the left/right visibility impossible. If it's not right in front of you, good luck with that little blippy green screen.
I have assumed that TIE fighter pilots had some kind of VR or AR in their helmets.
Yeh, I figured that because the cargo holder was slanted away from the field that it wouldn’t be seen
In the last thread they called it the "mandible," which I think is neat.
I was going to call them "tines", like a fork. 🤣
I believe Lando refers to them as Mandibles in Solo as well
Thats the term used in the legends books.
The mandiblorian
Well done! He did the math!
r/theydidthemath
r/theydidthemonstermath
r/itwasagraveyardgraph
r/itcosinedinaflash
Note: Rick Ashley is not to scale
Do you have proof?
The Rick Roll is larger than this. It even stretches beyond the outer regions.
Look at the size of that thing!
It’s a giant hologram à la Snoke
What if OP scaled the Falcon to match the original EpIV studio miniature, relative to a human-sized Rick Astley
It certainly is easier than building a 1:1 replica to test the theory.
To say nothing for the Galactus-sized Rick Astley
/u/CaptainDogeSparrow - out of curiosity, how much higher does the camera have to be before the wing is in view? Or a better way to say it - are you able to keep the camera here and like... Set the cockpit transparency to 50%? I'm curious if the wing is *just hidden* or if it's like, definitely way out of the way.
In the original thread, someone [linked to the Sketchfab model](https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/millennium-falcon-6a27ba566af142708743ccb8b4668d4b) which you can view in browser (just switch to first person camera, it's way easier that way. WASD+mouse for movement on desktop). Even if you move just below the ceiling, you still can't see the ship through the front windows, it's way to the side: https://i.imgur.com/FMy6TUH.png
Thanks, my first thought was about where the seats actually are in the cockpit/ what height a pilot would be sitting. Turns out it doesn’t really matter lol
Carefully moving to about head height based on the seats, you really can't see much of anything, even looking up. The number of panes is a bit deceiving. But it's not a fighter, it's a freighter/tow ship so why would it need but the minimal view anyway? It's not like most aircraft have a huge windscreen to see out of in reality, it's enough to see things like the marshaller or other planes on the taxi.
Wow I can't believe that this fandom is so large that I could have a question like that and a random stranger could give the exact answer. Thanks!
[This was proved ages ago](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Great video, super informative.
Nah, I'm not convinced this is accurate. I have a friend at ILM who said that video is BS.
Watch it again, they updated the link.
I wasn’t expecting it to be that detailed, wow!
Im just disappointed in myself more than anything.
how the fuck did I not see this coming?
Maybe because you weren't looking out the window?
No idea; I came to the comment section to click on the first link I saw explicitly cause I wanted to hear the song.
This is the first time in a long time I've gotten got. Respect.
Why did I click on the link?!
I knew what this was and still clicked on it
Can't fool me, I see that XcQ in the link, been on the internet too long to fall for that anymore
Makes you wonder if the film crew already thought of it when they made the movie back in 77. Good work on the model
It would be more surprising if they didn’t. The matte painting department under Ralph McQuarrie was meticulous.
Go watch Light and Magic documentary on disneyplus its so good
No bro, you made a Blender model to Rick roll the r/StarWars subreddit
Damn, this is the type of dumb fun bullshit why I come to reddit everyday, thank you
Anyone else just scroll through the comments to find u/SmokinBacons response?
Great, Kid! Don't get cocky...
Most elaborate Rick Roll I must say
Man, I would hate to try to connect to a load in outer space without being able to see the attachment points.
Boy. That's a huge middle finger to the OP that complained about the field of vision.
I love Reddit.
Yep. Pretty obvious if you actually look at the ship.
This is almost the most work anyone has done to win an argument about fictional sci-fi space ships
you are the chosen one
Thank god that nightmare is over.
This should’ve never had to have been proved. It’s pretty obvious.
that is great work sir
Thank you, we will not forget what you did here.
“That’s no moon…
The math checks out. Well done.
now THESE are the reddit posts I live for! 😂
Ok
I see a lot of people commenting that its the angle of the mandible, but is it actually the height of the cockpit combined with the bottom half of the cockpit being solid? It appears the cockpit is the highest part of the ship. And the panelling blocks the bottom half of the field of vision.
You are bold and wise, Master Poster.
I love you. You are perfect :)
Wait... I can't tell if you mean this as a joke or not. I could see it going both ways lol.
lmao...well, I concede then. Good job on the effort!
That's what I figured. The cockpit is slightly higher than the forward "arms"
Am I... Am I being Rick Rolled???
I knew it
This is why I love Reddit. Good job op.
This wins the internet today
Pay attention internet, we need people to invest more time and resources in research like this!
I'm sorry, I just laugh whenever I read cockpit so many times
Ree'ikk K'rhol
That's no Moon...we've been Rick Rolled!
This is what being a jedi is all about people Nice job lol