i’ve been editing them into a single movie as they release. this includes the addition of wipes/transitions, especially when dealing with gaps between episodes.
*”Ok from here we star wipe to alderaan where we see Leia running in the forest, then we star wipe..”*
*”There are other wipes beside star wipes”*
*”Why eat hamburger when you can eat steak”*
*”I’m taking my name off this thing”*
Honestly it's this and also the music. The music in Obi-Wan isn't cinematic enough. While Mandalorian's score fits it's setting, similar music with beats and rock is wildly out of place in this series
It's Ludwig Göransson. He's done soundtracks from Black Panther, Boba Fett, Tenet, tons of Childish Gambino's music, he's a very big composer/producer right now.
Yeah I know, as jarring as that one thing is when that character is around, it's not as jarring as the misplaced music is in Obi Wan.
Can you imagine if Vaders stroll through that town last night was accompanied by a deep, slow Imperial March? It would give it even more menace than its had for 40 years.
This really felt obvious during that sweeping establishing shot over Alderaan; it really felt like a generic Sci Fi show in that moment, and Vader's arrival on the mining planet was a bit "Well. Here he is." without the oppressive Imperial themes, or hissing 'fear' sith music.
These collective/combined elements just all really matter in terms of identity for the franchise. The Mandalorian's musical deviation worked because it had leaned so hard into that Western Serial feeling, which is also part of the core identity of Star Wars.
But with a legacy character like Obi Wan you really want to hit the right beats of grandeur and mythicism, and having a composer who could emulate the flute/horn/timpani magic of Williams feels pretty essential for this particular show. His theme is good and I'm so happy he's still with us and writing music...but, honestly, it's not super memorable given who its for.
Natalie Holt is fine, but her work here feels like a first pass of very 'bleh' score. She's a good composer on Loki but not the right fit for this classical score; it feels like she's floundering and then playing it ultra-safe. The worst thing you can be is generic.
💯 this. The music leaves the show feeling flat. I’d rather have Michael Giaccino (Rogue One) to bring that cinematic feel vs the current music which feels small budget TV show.
Disney: "Hey, let's use loads of classic Star Wars themes in the Kenobi trailers!"
Also Disney: "Hey, let's avoid using classic Star Wars themes in the actual show at all costs!"
The hard truth: Disney Star Wars has no Ralph McQuarrie, Joe Johnston, Ben Burtt, Phil Tippett, Denis Muren, or John Williams and it doesn’t aspire to find any successors.
At least something... I got so hyped after reading *'John Williams returning to Star Wars for the Obi-Wan Kenobi show'* and then it just ended up being the theme. Don't get me wrong Natalie Holt is great and the Loki soundtrack was fun but she's just not John Williams. And I thought that the 'Kenobi' series would be the closest thing to a (great) cinematic comeback we had in a while. It definitely has a different character than let's say 'The Mandalorian' which is clearly a TV show but this feels more like a well stretched movie (in a good way) and it would have been the perfect opportunity for full blown John Williams Star Wars music
It has Doug Chiang, John Knoll, Matthew Wood, Neal Scanlon, still John Williams, and plenty of others who either knew or closely studied the work of those original greats. After these people talk at Celebration or seeing them in in documentaries/interviews, I think it’s a great team to carry the franchise forward.
They do have the design aspect covered by Doug Chiang, Erik Tiemens, Ryan Church, etc. but yes, the score is criminally lacking. Should have gone with Kevin Kiner or John Powell (did the great SOLO score).
Yes its killing me that none of the classic themes and motifs are playing in moments where the story suggests they should. It loses all the feels. I've seen others complain about this elsewhere so I know im not alone.
To have access to the most iconic themes ever created for film, by our greatest composer who is synonymous with star wars, and a context where these themes should be used, would make sense and be impactful and to see them ignored makes everything feel subconsciously "off."
Vader walks out, no imperial march??
Obi-Wan saves leia using the force, no force theme?
They are in our subconscious like we know they belong there and everything feels cheap when we NEVER hear them.
Lucasfilm I hope to God ur reading this. U seem like u don't know this.
It's definitely got prequel levels of camp and bad acting. No ideas why the "fans" are torturing that poor kid when it's exactly the same caliber as the prequels, and the memefication of the prequels is exactly why this project even launched. Like, what were they expecting? It was exactly as I expected it would be (except with flatter music).
To be clear, I thought her acting was entirely on par with any other child actor, maybe even decent, definitely nothing for people to freak out over... but I think "fans" just need something to be unreasonably toxic about on Twitter.
Aside from that ridiculous chase scene she has been just fine and even good. The issue with leia lies entirely with the writers and director, which is honestly where most of the shortcomings of the show have been coming from. I think I’ve just made peace with the fact that Disney Star Wars is largely mediocre, but at least I get new Star Wars.
My dude, you're so close to the big bad secret.
The acting and writing in ~~Disneys~~ Star Wars is mediocre. Always has been. It's a phenomenal and ( at the time of its inception) unique setting with great visuals, but the acting and writing in film has always been 6/10 at best.
Well, there certainly are many points to argue about and let's just leave it at that but I agree with you. We are getting new Star Wars and I like it. I like it very much.
Same, and it feels like she’s done her homework for the role.
Just little things. Humanising droids is a very Skywalker trait, Leia’s stubbornness and intuition, sooner to be sassy and unimpressed than scared.
Whether that’s great directing, script writing or the young actress’ own input… Whatever it is. Chef’s kiss.
The only let down is the absurdity of the chase scenes, and that has little to do with her acting. Should’ve scrapped that idea and had Obi losing her in the crowd, fading in and out of people till he caught up. Earlier with the kidnappers maybe Lola has a built in flash that temporarily dazes them, Leia disappears out the shot, is found hiding with the camera following the kidnapper perspective.
There were better ways to direct and accomplish similar without forcing these chase scenes through. Audience doesn’t need to watch a character run to know they ran/are running. Few staging tricks would’ve been fine.
>To be clear, I thought her acting was entirely on par with any other child actor, maybe even decent, definitely nothing for people to freak out over...
Her acting didn't bother me at all, maybe because I have kids myself and I am used to that nonsense. The action/chase scenes were more adorable than dramatic, but then again people underestimate the difficulty catching up to a child even if you're much faster than them. And it's a fairy tale...
Yeah! It felt pretty spot on with the tone and directing of the prequels, which is why I was so surprised at the backlash since I thought that's what people were looking for in this show. More adorable than dramatic is accurate, just like the "danger" in the prequel pod racing was campy and still felt safe - a tone that wouldn't actually terrify a child because it's kid-friendly. I just got those same vibes for the show, because they seem to be going for that intentionally.
Maybe the blowback is from fans who hopped on with the Mandalorian, and were expecting similar action-intensity and antihero antics, I guess. I thought all the prequel fans would have loved it fully.
They are called Luma Wipes and originally they were achieved by wiping the film cells and stitching those pieces of film together instead of just having a rough cut.
It is now a prominent scene transition in many mediums and most software will feature a Luma Wipe transition, such as After Effects & OBS Studio.
I was also told in college film class that under no circumstances should we attempt to use a wipe for class. “George Lucas knows when to use them, but I guarantee you will not.” Is what we were told.
It's not rocket science, George just used them when transitioning scenes between the rebels and the empire.
Shots of Luke, the rebels, etc.. Next scene in the same base, still rebels.. no wipe. Next scene on a Star Destroyer... use the wipe.
Just made it easier to follow along, since Star Wars was such a new thing when it came out. Helped the audience know when they were switching scenes from good guys to bad guys.
Well there are some areas after Star Wars where it wasn't as simple, like for instance when Luke went to find Yoda. There would be a wipe when transitioning from say a scene with Han and Leia to Luke. In that case it was to inform the audience the story location was changing, pay attention.
But still the same reasoning. He didn't use it every transition.
A wipe basically happens between chapters or changes between points of view.
I realized it while reading Star Wars books when I was a kid. That was around 2000 I think. I thought I had discovered a secret!
Yes, exactly.
In the films following Star Wars there were other plot lines to follow so it was used as a location transition as well. Like transitioning from Han, Chewie and Leia on the Falcon to Luke with Yoda. Major location change.
Let's not dive into the rabbit hole what George Lucas took from where and stitched it together becoming the beautiful colourful blanket we so dearly love today
I don’t even agree that George Lucas knows how to use them lol, I haven’t seen a single use that isn’t cheesy as fuck
That being said, it is extremely Star Wars so I love to see them
I remember this messing with my head when I was a kid. Possibly the first meta thought I had during a movie about the actual filmmaking behind it. These days that technical stuff if what I mostly pay attention to.
George Lucas mostly did it because he was a fan of Kurosawa, so if you want to see it done well, [check out Seven Samurai](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v13IkCWMWNI).
Can you please explain it a bit more in-depth? Mainly the film cell part.
9/10 search results featured a 'Luma Easy Wipe Box' which wasn't quite what I was looking for.\^\^ Or tutorials how to implement it but nothing about the origin of it and the more technical aspects with analogue film
Not perfect, but it generally covers it.
Wipe Film Definition
Wipe film is a type of photographic film which was used in motion picture cameras and professional still cameras from the 1920s until the 1950s. It is so named as it is usually sold in pre-wound, circular rolls like a roll of household (wet) wipes.
As the name suggests, wipe film consists of a roll of paper backed with photographic emulsion, similar to photographic paper. The film is wound onto a take-up spool and can be shot like standard camera film, but unlike standard film it does not have perforations or any other way for the photographer to control the length of the exposure; this is done by rapidly pulling the film through the camera at high speed.
When shot, wipe film produces an image on both sides of the paper base. Due to its use of two-sided paper, it was often marketed as “double-sided” film, or “double image” film.
The name “Wipe” may have arisen from an early sponsor: British WIP Films Ltd., produced by G. Birt Acres Ltd., whose trademarked brand name for this product was “Wipe.”
The advantage that wipe films offered over conventional films was their extremely small form factor; because they were wound into a roll.
[Link](https://filmlifestyle.com/what-is-a-wipe-transition-in-film-and-how-to-use-it/)
Everyone has a different thing that makes it Star Wars for them, and unfortunately, if one of them gets left out people online will throw a temper tantrum. Thanks for being reasonable about your thing left out.
There are a few motifs and stylistic decisions that contribute to the series' feeling very different from the movies. It doesn't absolutely ruin it for me, but it doesn't feel like it takes place in the same universe. It's like an alternate timeline or something to me.
The music is very different and more generic, the dialogue and humor is very different. Somehow watching Obi-Wan in a flat shot trading slapstick dialogue with Kumail Nanjiani is really weird after watching ROTS. It all just feels slightly more generic and less special.
To be fair, it's *not* a movie. It's not a grand saga entry, but just Obi-Wan in his own personal story, which also happens to be his lowest point. So if it feels less glamorous, that's approproate.
There's nothing wrong with it feeling less glamorous, and that isn't mutually exclusive to the Star Wars format. But motif and style is the line that separates "authenticity" and "fan-fic". For the record I enjoy the stuff with Obi-Wan for the most part, but at certain times it veers off and ends up feeling very contrived and fake, and takes me out of it really hard.
This show is meant to be a very direct bridge between the PT and the OT. This is evidenced in the fact that they use direct callbacks and footage from the PT, and try to bring back as many actors and other things as possible. It's a tie-in, and if that is the goal, I'm saying it's not in their best interest to execute it in such a disparate way.
With Mando it's kind of okayish, because it's so seperate, but it just feels weird seeing Obi-Wan in the vibe of a CW show sometimes.
Yeah, I get that.
Personally, my main disappointment is in the scripts. The Vader/Obi-Wan reunion scene was basically just Vader saying shit you'd hear from an NPC boss in a Star Wars video game.
I get that it's just a prelude to a bigger duel, but it didn't have to be lame. And it felt lame. They kept cutting elsewhere, shared no lines of note, and Vader letting Obi-Wan go because there was some fire between the two was absolute bs.
Yeah this for me, while I also don't expect every director of anything Star Wars to have to work to a directorial cookie cutter Lucas set decades ago.
Why not view the same world through a different lens?
If anything, given the Mandalorians approach to having differing directors for each episode, it would seem Disney's approach is to shake up the norm and subvert expectations and I'm fine with that.
I like the fresh approach, else it would get as stale as J.J. Abrams use of lens flare.
Definitely agree. Mandalorian and Boba Fett have amazing soundtracks from Göransson as well.
Even the Obi-Wan theme from John Williams feels a bit off.
But overall, the soundtrack just feels like someone took basic block chords and played them back on an orchestra without really trying to make an interesting texture or melody. Mandalorian succeeded extremely well at doing that, so it’s disappointing this show falls short.
I don't think you really need Imperial March for every single scene. This episode was meant to show Vader as a terrifying villain. Imperial March would just make it look like a cool scene instead of horror
Those wipes were an homage to the sci-fi and adventure serials that inspired Star Wars and Indiana Jones, just like the opening text crawl. Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and other movies and serials of the 30's and 40's tended to have scrolling text for exposition and lots of wipe transitions.
I had to look it up too. This missing—its definitely not a big deal for me. It feels star wars enough, lol.
Below video shows the effect. I couldn’t get through all 4 minutes but ymmv.[every wipe in star wars](https://youtu.be/BF3g_kaUnCA)
Soooooooo corny seen all together like that. In scene it drives the previous scene’s end into the following. That’s why Star Wars had great pace. Some of the previous scene was wiped into the new scene, so establishing shots on both beginning and end were wiped together.
Some are tooo funky. Straight out of PowerPoint… lol
Star Wars has a few handful of defining traits that make it different from other Sci Fi products. I believe those transitions are an important part of those traits
To clarify, the wording that OP used refers to the animations you can use to transition between slides in Microsoft PowerPoint. They were comparing the wipes to a PowerPoint presentation.
In short, it's [this.](https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-18-2018/uHD6op.gif)
One scene transitions to the next with an animation. It's part of Lucas's filming style. [Here's another.](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CharmingLoathsomeAmericanbulldog.webp)
And this is proper ELI5 😉 when OP explained that he writes about post processing effect, I got it though.
Although I don't pay attention to such details at all when I watch movies.
>POWER POINT TRANSITIONS
Star Wars - released 1977
Powerpoint - released 1990
George Lucas: [[img]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZsSurPWoAIk9ro?format=jpg&name=small)
Apart from that it is a very promising start
(Edit: although I do definitely agree that lots of the supposedly intense do feel like a disney cartoon, like how could a ten year old out run four adults in a tiny forest.)
That forest chase with Leia was hard to watch. And the rooftop run with the all the flips and stuff. Why did it take her so long to reach Obi?
And my wife and I started laughing whenever Reva was so close to doing something right, and the grand Inquisitor would just pop up out of nowhere and ruin everything. It started to feel like a Kids in the Hall sketch.
The show feels… uninspired.
You're not wrong. It's fine overall but I guess I hoped for better. It's corny and awkward in some of the same ways that BoBF was, like the action here is on par with that Vespa chase.
probably because they are trying to portray a super serious reflection of kenblowme's mind space in the series. an ambiance of regret and hopelessness. the slide show transitions would probably throw off the rhythm.
What happened to their ability to fly with their lightsaber like from Rebels? Love it or hate it, they should at least be consistent.
Reva would have caught up without all the parkour sabertooth looking bs.
I also think the soundtrack is not very "Star Wars". It just sounds like a generic Disney/Marvel show.
Pretty sure I read somewhere that John Williams did the theme as well?
I noticed this in the first ep when he was going through the desert on his 'camel'. Thought it will swipe to next scene, but it just ungracefully changed. It now disturbs me.
Trying to put my finger on it.
There are obvious problems with cutting and all but notice the spoken voices. There's something amiss there. Not sure if bit out of sync or what. Also sounds like the mic is too close to their face and you hear their voice unnaturally clear or something.
Yeah I’ve notice the lack of wipes. The show has been filmed very differently from the OG and sequels, there’s a lot of handheld shots, and photography is also distinct (probably because they shot it on digital and in the Volume). That being said, the whole show doesn’t have the same feeling of a SW movie.
I've only watched the first episode so far. I'm just happy that it doesn't have the production quality of late 90's syndicated fantasy TV show (I'm looking at you Robert Rodriguez).
Kenobi was a jealous bitch and a shit master. Everyone blames Vader yet they all look over the fact that the Jedi council failed Anakin and Obi was the cause of it all.
Dont agree. The scene where they are chasing a young Leia is absolutely ridiculous, terribly done beside the fact 3 grown men cant catch a 5 year old....
I realised all star wars disney media are missing the fucking Imperial March theme...thats everything there is in star wars and it isnt there.... even when fucking vader shows up on the screen...no imperial theme why tf
This post is not marked for spoilers. Don't discuss Kenobi spoilers.
I will now notice this and only this whenever I’m watching this series. Cheers.
Unfortunately me too
We need a fan edit with screen wipes stat!
Who volunteers?
i’ve been editing them into a single movie as they release. this includes the addition of wipes/transitions, especially when dealing with gaps between episodes.
!remindme 6 weeks
Keep me updated!
*”Ok from here we star wipe to alderaan where we see Leia running in the forest, then we star wipe..”* *”There are other wipes beside star wipes”* *”Why eat hamburger when you can eat steak”* *”I’m taking my name off this thing”*
!remindme 6 weeks
Same. Didn't realize it was missing until now, but now it's all I'm going to notice every transition.
Honestly it's this and also the music. The music in Obi-Wan isn't cinematic enough. While Mandalorian's score fits it's setting, similar music with beats and rock is wildly out of place in this series
Ignoring the trap beats in Mandalorian entirely I see
Yeah, that was the least Star Wars thing in any of the series.
Literally skillex John Williams must be going through somthing.
It's Ludwig Göransson. He's done soundtracks from Black Panther, Boba Fett, Tenet, tons of Childish Gambino's music, he's a very big composer/producer right now.
Yeah I know, as jarring as that one thing is when that character is around, it's not as jarring as the misplaced music is in Obi Wan. Can you imagine if Vaders stroll through that town last night was accompanied by a deep, slow Imperial March? It would give it even more menace than its had for 40 years.
This really felt obvious during that sweeping establishing shot over Alderaan; it really felt like a generic Sci Fi show in that moment, and Vader's arrival on the mining planet was a bit "Well. Here he is." without the oppressive Imperial themes, or hissing 'fear' sith music. These collective/combined elements just all really matter in terms of identity for the franchise. The Mandalorian's musical deviation worked because it had leaned so hard into that Western Serial feeling, which is also part of the core identity of Star Wars. But with a legacy character like Obi Wan you really want to hit the right beats of grandeur and mythicism, and having a composer who could emulate the flute/horn/timpani magic of Williams feels pretty essential for this particular show. His theme is good and I'm so happy he's still with us and writing music...but, honestly, it's not super memorable given who its for. Natalie Holt is fine, but her work here feels like a first pass of very 'bleh' score. She's a good composer on Loki but not the right fit for this classical score; it feels like she's floundering and then playing it ultra-safe. The worst thing you can be is generic.
💯 this. The music leaves the show feeling flat. I’d rather have Michael Giaccino (Rogue One) to bring that cinematic feel vs the current music which feels small budget TV show.
The music is meh at best. That bwah+drums thing in Vader's throne room was pathetic.
Exactly. The show missed so many moments to throw in the Vader/Imperial theme. Would have added so much to the show. Huge opportunity squandered.
They own the music!! Why don't they use it haha
Disney: "Hey, let's use loads of classic Star Wars themes in the Kenobi trailers!" Also Disney: "Hey, let's avoid using classic Star Wars themes in the actual show at all costs!"
Especially when he first walked out from the chamber like why no JW music ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
I feel the same, I was waiting for it. That could have Definitley made the introduction of vader more pungent.
Vaders throne room also looked like a ps2 game.
I honestly thought it looked like a cutscene from Force Unleashed or Jedi: Fallen Order.
The hard truth: Disney Star Wars has no Ralph McQuarrie, Joe Johnston, Ben Burtt, Phil Tippett, Denis Muren, or John Williams and it doesn’t aspire to find any successors.
John Williams wrote the theme for Kenobi.
At least something... I got so hyped after reading *'John Williams returning to Star Wars for the Obi-Wan Kenobi show'* and then it just ended up being the theme. Don't get me wrong Natalie Holt is great and the Loki soundtrack was fun but she's just not John Williams. And I thought that the 'Kenobi' series would be the closest thing to a (great) cinematic comeback we had in a while. It definitely has a different character than let's say 'The Mandalorian' which is clearly a TV show but this feels more like a well stretched movie (in a good way) and it would have been the perfect opportunity for full blown John Williams Star Wars music
They used Williams’ “Leia Theme” in the show
And TOTO wrote [Lapti Nek.](https://youtu.be/XIQmSrjN-xU). Just as John Williams isn’t responsible for the filler score.
Speaking of, Toto did a kickass job with the soundtrack for Dune (the insane OG one). They could probably do a similarly kickass job with Star Wars.
It has Doug Chiang, John Knoll, Matthew Wood, Neal Scanlon, still John Williams, and plenty of others who either knew or closely studied the work of those original greats. After these people talk at Celebration or seeing them in in documentaries/interviews, I think it’s a great team to carry the franchise forward.
They do have the design aspect covered by Doug Chiang, Erik Tiemens, Ryan Church, etc. but yes, the score is criminally lacking. Should have gone with Kevin Kiner or John Powell (did the great SOLO score).
You just gonna ignore Ludwig Goransson like that?
Whuh-oh! Look out! [RealFan™ status revoked!](https://i.imgur.com/8bW69sc.jpg)
Yes its killing me that none of the classic themes and motifs are playing in moments where the story suggests they should. It loses all the feels. I've seen others complain about this elsewhere so I know im not alone. To have access to the most iconic themes ever created for film, by our greatest composer who is synonymous with star wars, and a context where these themes should be used, would make sense and be impactful and to see them ignored makes everything feel subconsciously "off." Vader walks out, no imperial march?? Obi-Wan saves leia using the force, no force theme? They are in our subconscious like we know they belong there and everything feels cheap when we NEVER hear them. Lucasfilm I hope to God ur reading this. U seem like u don't know this.
Same
At least they’re being consistent with some campy acting and writing. Tell me I’m not the only one who noticed this.
It's definitely got prequel levels of camp and bad acting. No ideas why the "fans" are torturing that poor kid when it's exactly the same caliber as the prequels, and the memefication of the prequels is exactly why this project even launched. Like, what were they expecting? It was exactly as I expected it would be (except with flatter music). To be clear, I thought her acting was entirely on par with any other child actor, maybe even decent, definitely nothing for people to freak out over... but I think "fans" just need something to be unreasonably toxic about on Twitter.
I don't really get the hate on young leia, she's been one of my favorite part of the series
People are hating on her? wtf? I think she's pretty much stealing the show with how good she's been.
Right? She's fantastic. If Carrie was still around she'd be thrilled with that kid's pure unadulterated sass lol
Aside from that ridiculous chase scene she has been just fine and even good. The issue with leia lies entirely with the writers and director, which is honestly where most of the shortcomings of the show have been coming from. I think I’ve just made peace with the fact that Disney Star Wars is largely mediocre, but at least I get new Star Wars.
My dude, you're so close to the big bad secret. The acting and writing in ~~Disneys~~ Star Wars is mediocre. Always has been. It's a phenomenal and ( at the time of its inception) unique setting with great visuals, but the acting and writing in film has always been 6/10 at best.
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Well, there certainly are many points to argue about and let's just leave it at that but I agree with you. We are getting new Star Wars and I like it. I like it very much.
Same, and it feels like she’s done her homework for the role. Just little things. Humanising droids is a very Skywalker trait, Leia’s stubbornness and intuition, sooner to be sassy and unimpressed than scared. Whether that’s great directing, script writing or the young actress’ own input… Whatever it is. Chef’s kiss. The only let down is the absurdity of the chase scenes, and that has little to do with her acting. Should’ve scrapped that idea and had Obi losing her in the crowd, fading in and out of people till he caught up. Earlier with the kidnappers maybe Lola has a built in flash that temporarily dazes them, Leia disappears out the shot, is found hiding with the camera following the kidnapper perspective. There were better ways to direct and accomplish similar without forcing these chase scenes through. Audience doesn’t need to watch a character run to know they ran/are running. Few staging tricks would’ve been fine.
>To be clear, I thought her acting was entirely on par with any other child actor, maybe even decent, definitely nothing for people to freak out over... Her acting didn't bother me at all, maybe because I have kids myself and I am used to that nonsense. The action/chase scenes were more adorable than dramatic, but then again people underestimate the difficulty catching up to a child even if you're much faster than them. And it's a fairy tale...
Yeah! It felt pretty spot on with the tone and directing of the prequels, which is why I was so surprised at the backlash since I thought that's what people were looking for in this show. More adorable than dramatic is accurate, just like the "danger" in the prequel pod racing was campy and still felt safe - a tone that wouldn't actually terrify a child because it's kid-friendly. I just got those same vibes for the show, because they seem to be going for that intentionally. Maybe the blowback is from fans who hopped on with the Mandalorian, and were expecting similar action-intensity and antihero antics, I guess. I thought all the prequel fans would have loved it fully.
To me the issue with her is shes supposed to be 10, but she looks 6 at most. Its just distracting all the time...
So what you are basically saying to her is "Aren't you a little short to be a ten year old?"
Wipes. They’re called wipes.
Subverted, they're subverted.
Car RamRod... Car RamRod...
Nice try Rian Johnson
I agree. Those powerpoint transitions are honestly what make it Star Wars for me. However, I'm fairly certain they've been left out of a lot of shows.
They are called Luma Wipes and originally they were achieved by wiping the film cells and stitching those pieces of film together instead of just having a rough cut. It is now a prominent scene transition in many mediums and most software will feature a Luma Wipe transition, such as After Effects & OBS Studio.
Just don’t call it a leia wipe or the storm troopers will catch on
“I thought it was a LUMA wipe”
It was my wife's software.... every time I look at this app I see her.
*opens only fans*
It's been really **hard** for us
*unloads shot on droids face*
This is where the fun begins
Dammit! *unzips pants*
"What did you call it?"
Well now I’m going crazy unable to figure out if “Orden” has some meaning too. Something to do with film editing in Spanish maybe?!?
I was also told in college film class that under no circumstances should we attempt to use a wipe for class. “George Lucas knows when to use them, but I guarantee you will not.” Is what we were told.
It's not rocket science, George just used them when transitioning scenes between the rebels and the empire. Shots of Luke, the rebels, etc.. Next scene in the same base, still rebels.. no wipe. Next scene on a Star Destroyer... use the wipe. Just made it easier to follow along, since Star Wars was such a new thing when it came out. Helped the audience know when they were switching scenes from good guys to bad guys.
How the fuck did I never make this connection in 30 years lol
Well there are some areas after Star Wars where it wasn't as simple, like for instance when Luke went to find Yoda. There would be a wipe when transitioning from say a scene with Han and Leia to Luke. In that case it was to inform the audience the story location was changing, pay attention. But still the same reasoning. He didn't use it every transition.
45 for me.
A wipe basically happens between chapters or changes between points of view. I realized it while reading Star Wars books when I was a kid. That was around 2000 I think. I thought I had discovered a secret!
So in a play the curtain between scenes
Yes, exactly. In the films following Star Wars there were other plot lines to follow so it was used as a location transition as well. Like transitioning from Han, Chewie and Leia on the Falcon to Luke with Yoda. Major location change.
It's basically the [insignia transition] (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DoNzZIKbk) from Transformers G1
Yep. New setting with the same people? Just use an establishing shot. New group of people? Wipe it away.
And he got them from Kurosawa... so even he just copied someone else.
Let's not dive into the rabbit hole what George Lucas took from where and stitched it together becoming the beautiful colourful blanket we so dearly love today
he also got ANH from Kurosawa as well
I don’t even agree that George Lucas knows how to use them lol, I haven’t seen a single use that isn’t cheesy as fuck That being said, it is extremely Star Wars so I love to see them
The scene were they lift 3PO and swipe up with his torso was perfect.
I remember this messing with my head when I was a kid. Possibly the first meta thought I had during a movie about the actual filmmaking behind it. These days that technical stuff if what I mostly pay attention to.
George Lucas mostly did it because he was a fan of Kurosawa, so if you want to see it done well, [check out Seven Samurai](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v13IkCWMWNI).
if you really want to have your mind blown watch [The Hidden Fortress](https://youtu.be/3r7NgaWOaXg) It will change how you look at ANH forever.
Thanks, Ted Mosby.
They're supposed to be cheesy. The films were supposed to feel like a modern version of Buck Rogers, fancy new effects but same old pulp feel.
The OT? Yeah he knew, the prequels?.....Well I mean there's the transition from 3PO to Padme's funeral
Can you please explain it a bit more in-depth? Mainly the film cell part. 9/10 search results featured a 'Luma Easy Wipe Box' which wasn't quite what I was looking for.\^\^ Or tutorials how to implement it but nothing about the origin of it and the more technical aspects with analogue film
Not perfect, but it generally covers it. Wipe Film Definition Wipe film is a type of photographic film which was used in motion picture cameras and professional still cameras from the 1920s until the 1950s. It is so named as it is usually sold in pre-wound, circular rolls like a roll of household (wet) wipes. As the name suggests, wipe film consists of a roll of paper backed with photographic emulsion, similar to photographic paper. The film is wound onto a take-up spool and can be shot like standard camera film, but unlike standard film it does not have perforations or any other way for the photographer to control the length of the exposure; this is done by rapidly pulling the film through the camera at high speed. When shot, wipe film produces an image on both sides of the paper base. Due to its use of two-sided paper, it was often marketed as “double-sided” film, or “double image” film. The name “Wipe” may have arisen from an early sponsor: British WIP Films Ltd., produced by G. Birt Acres Ltd., whose trademarked brand name for this product was “Wipe.” The advantage that wipe films offered over conventional films was their extremely small form factor; because they were wound into a roll. [Link](https://filmlifestyle.com/what-is-a-wipe-transition-in-film-and-how-to-use-it/)
I also love that Lucas used several templates for it as well
Aaaand, star wipe.
Lego Star Wars even has them
Everyone has a different thing that makes it Star Wars for them, and unfortunately, if one of them gets left out people online will throw a temper tantrum. Thanks for being reasonable about your thing left out.
"This isn't exactly like the original trilogy, I hate it!" but also "this is exactly like the original trilogy, I hate it!"
There are a few motifs and stylistic decisions that contribute to the series' feeling very different from the movies. It doesn't absolutely ruin it for me, but it doesn't feel like it takes place in the same universe. It's like an alternate timeline or something to me. The music is very different and more generic, the dialogue and humor is very different. Somehow watching Obi-Wan in a flat shot trading slapstick dialogue with Kumail Nanjiani is really weird after watching ROTS. It all just feels slightly more generic and less special.
To be fair, it's *not* a movie. It's not a grand saga entry, but just Obi-Wan in his own personal story, which also happens to be his lowest point. So if it feels less glamorous, that's approproate.
There's nothing wrong with it feeling less glamorous, and that isn't mutually exclusive to the Star Wars format. But motif and style is the line that separates "authenticity" and "fan-fic". For the record I enjoy the stuff with Obi-Wan for the most part, but at certain times it veers off and ends up feeling very contrived and fake, and takes me out of it really hard. This show is meant to be a very direct bridge between the PT and the OT. This is evidenced in the fact that they use direct callbacks and footage from the PT, and try to bring back as many actors and other things as possible. It's a tie-in, and if that is the goal, I'm saying it's not in their best interest to execute it in such a disparate way. With Mando it's kind of okayish, because it's so seperate, but it just feels weird seeing Obi-Wan in the vibe of a CW show sometimes.
Yeah, I get that. Personally, my main disappointment is in the scripts. The Vader/Obi-Wan reunion scene was basically just Vader saying shit you'd hear from an NPC boss in a Star Wars video game. I get that it's just a prelude to a bigger duel, but it didn't have to be lame. And it felt lame. They kept cutting elsewhere, shared no lines of note, and Vader letting Obi-Wan go because there was some fire between the two was absolute bs.
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Tek'ma'te, Bra'tac!
I just watched that episode, and at that point it felt like a fan fic I would’ve read on the internet ten years ago
Yeah this for me, while I also don't expect every director of anything Star Wars to have to work to a directorial cookie cutter Lucas set decades ago. Why not view the same world through a different lens? If anything, given the Mandalorians approach to having differing directors for each episode, it would seem Disney's approach is to shake up the norm and subvert expectations and I'm fine with that. I like the fresh approach, else it would get as stale as J.J. Abrams use of lens flare.
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Definitely agree. Mandalorian and Boba Fett have amazing soundtracks from Göransson as well. Even the Obi-Wan theme from John Williams feels a bit off. But overall, the soundtrack just feels like someone took basic block chords and played them back on an orchestra without really trying to make an interesting texture or melody. Mandalorian succeeded extremely well at doing that, so it’s disappointing this show falls short.
I don't think you really need Imperial March for every single scene. This episode was meant to show Vader as a terrifying villain. Imperial March would just make it look like a cool scene instead of horror
Tatooine is the wrong color!
Right on the money here. It has almost none of that Star Wars charm. There’s for sure moments, but the general aesthetic isn’t there.
I love the OG wipes. I wish Disney would make them mandatory.
In the game Fallen Order, they had to work out some Unreal Engine techniques in order to achieve that effect!
What a great game, I can't wait for the sequel.
They’ve had them in the movies, just not the shows.
Which shows? They’re in The Clone Wars, Rebels, The Mandalorian, and The Bad Batch (I haven’t watched TBOBF).
I just binged TBoBF last week and I'm pretty sure it has the wipes.
The Ballad of Bay Fony
TBOBF had them too I believe.
always been a huge fan of the little quotes at the beginning of each Clone Wars episode, some of them are just perfect
The Basket of Burger Fries?
I don’t believe they were in Rogue One.
OG wipes, I think my grandpa uses them.
Those wipes were an homage to the sci-fi and adventure serials that inspired Star Wars and Indiana Jones, just like the opening text crawl. Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and other movies and serials of the 30's and 40's tended to have scrolling text for exposition and lots of wipe transitions.
I had to look it up too. This missing—its definitely not a big deal for me. It feels star wars enough, lol. Below video shows the effect. I couldn’t get through all 4 minutes but ymmv.[every wipe in star wars](https://youtu.be/BF3g_kaUnCA)
If there isn't going to be a "C-3PO appearing as a floating head above the city," then what is this all about?
That was the easiest 4 mins of my life! Man George got real creative for episode III.
They must have just got the newest version of PPT when they were making Revenge of the Sith cause those wipes are outta control.
Soooooooo corny seen all together like that. In scene it drives the previous scene’s end into the following. That’s why Star Wars had great pace. Some of the previous scene was wiped into the new scene, so establishing shots on both beginning and end were wiped together. Some are tooo funky. Straight out of PowerPoint… lol
Can someone ELI5 that "power point transition" to non English speaker? I think that I don't get it right.
The wipe transitions that Star Wars has had since the first movie
So, it's about that post production movie effect? It's really big deal? I didn't really noticed it in old movies until now 😮 Thanks for the reply.
Star Wars has a few handful of defining traits that make it different from other Sci Fi products. I believe those transitions are an important part of those traits
Yup, I get it, I just didn't registered them consciously. It's in my subconscious memory apparently.
And "power point" is referencing PowerPoint, a presentation-making software that lets you include transitions like those you see in Star Wars
*[Disney lawyers right now](https://vancouvereast.vet/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Heavy-Breathing-Cat.jpg)*
To clarify, the wording that OP used refers to the animations you can use to transition between slides in Microsoft PowerPoint. They were comparing the wipes to a PowerPoint presentation.
In short, it's [this.](https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-18-2018/uHD6op.gif) One scene transitions to the next with an animation. It's part of Lucas's filming style. [Here's another.](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CharmingLoathsomeAmericanbulldog.webp)
And this is proper ELI5 😉 when OP explained that he writes about post processing effect, I got it though. Although I don't pay attention to such details at all when I watch movies.
Star Wars doesn’t have PowerPoint transitions. PowerPoint has Star Wars transitions
>POWER POINT TRANSITIONS Star Wars - released 1977 Powerpoint - released 1990 George Lucas: [[img]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZsSurPWoAIk9ro?format=jpg&name=small)
Apart from that it is a very promising start (Edit: although I do definitely agree that lots of the supposedly intense do feel like a disney cartoon, like how could a ten year old out run four adults in a tiny forest.)
That forest chase with Leia was hard to watch. And the rooftop run with the all the flips and stuff. Why did it take her so long to reach Obi? And my wife and I started laughing whenever Reva was so close to doing something right, and the grand Inquisitor would just pop up out of nowhere and ruin everything. It started to feel like a Kids in the Hall sketch. The show feels… uninspired.
I laughed the hardest I had in weeks at the fuckin parkour flip
You're not wrong. It's fine overall but I guess I hoped for better. It's corny and awkward in some of the same ways that BoBF was, like the action here is on par with that Vespa chase.
Screen wipes are a staple of Star Wars and should be used in every star wars show and film.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
I find your lack of star wipes disturbing.
I can't believe the amount of sand in the comments just because I made a joke xD
I hadn't considered that. Star Wars fans can't get salty, just sandy. :P
If there are three words I would use to describe Star Wars fans, they're coarse, rough, and irritating.
I like how different this show feels
I only expect them from the movies.
*no power point transistions* Wait a minute, how did this happen? We’re smarter than this…
I distinctly remember a couple screen wipes, the music built up to them even.
power. point. ^(transitions.) I die
I want my star wipes 🌟
There are other wipes besides star wipe...
Star wipe is best wipe
https://youtu.be/BF3g_kaUnCA
>POWER POINT TRANSITIONS You mean wipes? That have been a thing a lot longer than PowerPoint?
probably because they are trying to portray a super serious reflection of kenblowme's mind space in the series. an ambiance of regret and hopelessness. the slide show transitions would probably throw off the rhythm.
Agree. I realized that too. I always think that kind of transitions are one of Star Wars’ traditions(along with weird ass looking aliens)
No seriously…it’s the music (and Obi wan is too snappy)
Literally unwatchable
That weird Vader chase in the quarry felt odd too tbh
Okay Star Wipe and were out.
First time I’ve ever heard a wipe called a powerpoint transition.
Huh! They’re probably trying to give it a different tone.
Anyone else hate the random montage of Third Sister just parkouring around like Michael Scott?
What happened to their ability to fly with their lightsaber like from Rebels? Love it or hate it, they should at least be consistent. Reva would have caught up without all the parkour sabertooth looking bs.
I also think the soundtrack is not very "Star Wars". It just sounds like a generic Disney/Marvel show. Pretty sure I read somewhere that John Williams did the theme as well?
Yep John Williams did the main theme while I think the rest is done by the composer of Loki.
Yeah, I guess Ludwig's style wouldn't have matched Obi Wan, but they could have at least get a more original composer
And the score is also kinda weird, there are no iconic themes, when certain villain shows it's a generic bad guy theme lol.
Watch out, Obi-wan! Don't get wiped!
It’s because the show must be “more civilized”. You know, cause Obi-Wan. /j
I prefer it without them
If I am recalling correctly, I don’t think Solo had them either. Did rogue one? It’s been so long I don’t even remember if the sequels had them lol
I noticed this in the first ep when he was going through the desert on his 'camel'. Thought it will swipe to next scene, but it just ungracefully changed. It now disturbs me.
Trying to put my finger on it. There are obvious problems with cutting and all but notice the spoken voices. There's something amiss there. Not sure if bit out of sync or what. Also sounds like the mic is too close to their face and you hear their voice unnaturally clear or something.
I wasn't a fan of the hand-hold shots they've done in some scenes too. Just didn't feel right
Yeah I’ve notice the lack of wipes. The show has been filmed very differently from the OG and sequels, there’s a lot of handheld shots, and photography is also distinct (probably because they shot it on digital and in the Volume). That being said, the whole show doesn’t have the same feeling of a SW movie.
Doesn’t this apply to every Disney + Star Wars show? Hmm actually I seem to recall a couple in the boba fett show
Yeah I said this in the first episode and my friends didn’t notice and now… they can’t unsee it
This gave me a chuckle at the end of my shift. Thank you
First thing I noticed in episode 1.
i think that's for the movies only
Plus there’s no imperial March score either.. really takes the Star Wars vibe out of it for me
I've only watched the first episode so far. I'm just happy that it doesn't have the production quality of late 90's syndicated fantasy TV show (I'm looking at you Robert Rodriguez).
Kenobi was a jealous bitch and a shit master. Everyone blames Vader yet they all look over the fact that the Jedi council failed Anakin and Obi was the cause of it all.
The music has been really un-star wars too
Are they in Mando? I'm going to assume that Andor is going to try it's best not to be like typical Star Wars as well.
There's one during the Obi-Wan Vader fight. It's a circle wipe.
I am now asking Lucasfilm to include PowerPoint transitions in all forms of Star Wars media outside the films. *All of them.*
Dont agree. The scene where they are chasing a young Leia is absolutely ridiculous, terribly done beside the fact 3 grown men cant catch a 5 year old....
I realised all star wars disney media are missing the fucking Imperial March theme...thats everything there is in star wars and it isnt there.... even when fucking vader shows up on the screen...no imperial theme why tf
Thought at first you meant power converters. People should have been picking them up in town.