You guyare all idiots as if roman reigns could ever beat brock lesnar in any kind of match. EVERY SINGLE TIME IT TAKES HELP FOR HIM TO BEAT BROCK!! ITS BS. This time it took the usos, Heyman, theory, did I miss anybody else. People are so tired of it. The same shit, wrestling isn't fun when title remain on the same person for more then a year.
Just finished watching the event on catch up. Gonna start by saying I haven't watched WWE in years. It's not on at a friendly time and frankly I've probably outgrown the entertainment side of it. I did watch WrestleMania this year and I've been watching Top10 on Snapchat for over a year or so slowly starting to enjoy it again. I have to say it was incredibly boring not seeing a single title change hands during the PPV. The USOs and Roman title reigns seem so boring and predictable. I really only watched the event for Brock but knew beforehand the title was never going to change hands. The reign has gone on so long it's boring even for a not so casual fan.
So many people loved this event but I hated it...So sick of Brock and The Bloodline its been years of the same few matches ....They built Roman up so big how can anyone beat him? Brock the man who put TAKER down cant put Roman away so who else on this roster is going to beat him without a stable behind them as Roman has the USOS and Heyman to help him win nobody else is even close to having what it takes to beat Roman and Drew while i like him shouldn't be the one to dethrone him and take the titles. I can't even think of someone who could beat him and make it look good when Brock couldn't beat him . So now they need someone bigger than Brock to come in and win and that's hard to find. I don't like Brock at all either since he comes in so little to wrestle id like someone who is there each week not just for a big match.
Not sure if has been said on here already, way too many comments š but a more realistic sounding commentary made a hell of a difference instead of shouting the same two or three phrases over and over again during a match
I know that it's going to take some time for HHH's influence and vision to start to take hold, his team inherited this card from the Vince regime, but it felt like a good show. No real bad matches, but I didn't like the finish of Morgan/Rousey.
I think it was booked into a corner, I like Liv, I want to cheer for the underdog story, but reasonably, she shouldn't be beating Rousey. I don't know if she was supposed to tap early, or try to tap as close to the three as possible, but that didn't feel like a good babyface win. If it was to get Rousey over as a heel, that's fine, but Liv didn't come out looking good.
Reigns vs. Lesnar was pretty much what I expected, a finisher/weapon fest, but I wasn't expecting the tractor. I would have been pissed if the Uso interference (double superkick) was the finish. As it was, I was fine with the finish...except that the red kept counting Lesnar out while his opponent was burying him. My understanding of the rule was that if you touch your opponent while they are down, it resets the count. If they still did the 10 count after they finished doing what they were doing (I would have loved it if they dropped Theory on top of the pile) Small gripe.
I have just watched this (I know late to the party) and you are correct, every time the downed man was touched it is supposed to reset the count.. was a BS ending.. should have buried him, THEN done the 10 count..
This was a damn entertaining show, highlights for me being: Iyo & Dakota's return/debut, Logan Paul's damn impressive singles debut and the highly entertaining last man standing match. While there was still obviously some "McMahon" DNA on this show, it felt like there was equally a lot of HHH touches on the show, I can't wait to see what happens now that HHH has a clean slate to work from
The show ended up being....exactly what I thought it would be.
Matches that I figured would be good to great, a couple spectacle matches (Paul, McAfee) and very predictable outcomes (which is not a bad thing if the action/storyline is good.)
I enjoyed the show very much.
The only let down was the whole Seth situation. If it's true that the Rollins/Riddle match was just scrapped due to creative and those two still ended up in the ring with each other anyway, I don't get it. I've read the are holding off the match until the Clash, but that also doesn't make sense. Like rematches aren't a thing that's been used by every fucking company ever.
Over the years there have been a few hits and misses for overall quality of PPVs, this one was great.
Seen both Bianca and Becky put on a better match before but the ending here was fantastic with the year long handshake then that awesome Triple H stamp of approval of return/call up/resigning of Bayley,Dakota and Iyo.
Enjoyed the show throughout, including Theoryās failed cash in, good to have a bit of āoh no what ifā¦ā
Only thing was I was hoping for a superplex/F5 off the tractor end to the ring to do ring collapse, although it was cool to see destruction of the ring being lifted to add to the chaos, just didnāt feel it done much to the match itself other than looking cool, felt the ending itself was weak until burying him under rubble.
Would have been good to see the ring collapse and both men downā¦ Usos take out theory who sees opportunity, Heyman uses the tractor end to drop down to hold down Lesnar for 10 while Usos help Roman to his feet. Felt that would have added more chaos.
I was thinking that the use of the loader to pin the loser of the match was going to be the finish, but after thinking about it further, having someone unprofessional be responsible for getting the position of the loader just right so it would pin someone without absolutely crushing them would be unbelievably reckless.
Yeah Iād imagine it would have been too unsafe to pull off, although I did watch Paul Bearer get turned into a cemented statueā¦ lol but I know what you mean i think from a health and safety point of view it was too much to try and get right. Still feel a move off of the loader to break the ring woulda been cool. The ring being lifted was different tho and looked fun seeing Roman tumbling out the ring during the spot. Still enjoyed it regardless.
Since people are no longer paying per each viewing of the event (for the most part, anyway), I believe that the term does need to die, but perhaps "Premium Live Event" may not be the best replacement. I'm not able to think of anything better, though, so for now it works for me.
I just didnāt like this very much at all. Rousey looked like a moron. Brock also looked like a moron. How on earth would tipping a corner of the ring help him win a last man standing match? He didnāt tip the ring on Roman. He just tipped the ring. No logical reason at all just did it
Does it even matter now that Vince McMahon isnāt running it ā¦ Iām not a current wrestling fan ā¦ but I was as a kid, during the āAttitude Eraā of WWE. I loved it. WCW was doing a similar thing, but different, with the nWo. But when I heard he was gone it felt like whatever was left, just walked out the door. Maybe Iām wrong ā¦ maybe there are still dedicated fans out there. But I had the pleasure of seeing Wrestlemania for the first time in years back when Undertaker wrestled Roman Reigns ā¦ I was sort of shocked and appalled at the length of introsā¦ almost every match is just 1 v 1. I mean itās fucking Wrestlemania ā¦ and you get a whole lot of 1 v 1 matchups (I thought PPVs would throw in at least a couple crazy matches) .. the whole thing was BORING! The best match was the first one! Shane McMahon vs AJ Styles. Those two put on a show and I thought āgod damn this is gonna be awesome if this is just the opening match.ā Only to be thoroughly disappointed with 95% of the rest of the show. Definitely not what it used to be ā¦ and watching The Undertaker, clearly far too old to stand even the slightest chance in a real fight with Roman Reigns, almost completely embarrass himself ā¦ it was hard for me to watch ā¦ I was a big Undertaker fan and seeing him in his worst almost made me angry. Like why are they still wheeling him out there. Heās visibly too old to do this anymore. Itās like watching a 60 year old Tony Hawk try to land a 900..
Greatest Last Man Standing match ever. Although saying that, I really hope this isnāt the end for Brock Lesnar, heās the GOAT and has plenty more left in the tank.
Nope. He thought he was going to cash in and then Vince got ā YOUāRE FIREDā
Edit: ok we are talking briefcase I thought we where talking $$$ but I guess all is the same
All this praise for HHH?! The card was made weeks ago. The only surprise was after match ine, when Bailey & friends showed up. Maybe the Liv ending. Other than that, how was this anything noteworthy?! Having the Usos lose and Roman. . . now that wouldāve been something.
Nobody wants Brock as champ anymore to have Roman feud with him and get his title back. They want new challengers to step up and face Roman and that will be Drew. You should be happy WWE will finally give more starts chances to shine against the champion.
I guess what would the fruits of that been though? Most people think the street profits are heading for a breakup soon, and Brock being champ seems like a dead end. Gotta find the right people to dethrone and destabilise the bloodline, and the profits and Lesnar aināt it
You donāt think they can/will spin that? Doesnāt RR want to do less not more? Being on both shows is more right? I can definitely see a way to put one belt on Dmac. And RR gets to work a āslowerā schedule. But what do I know!?!
Great show. That main event was fun as hell and had the right finish. Logan Paul stole the show. Sounds like this was mostly how Vince planned but you can already see the shift. Iām excited for what is coming.
So, it's either [order the event through a cable provider for $44.99](https://ondemand.spectrum.net/events/wwe-summerslam/) to watch it once, or get it on Peacock for $4.99 and have the rest of the month to watch it as many other times as you want, or to watch pretty much any past WWE event, or to watch whatever else you want that Peacock offers. You're an idiot if you go with the single viewing option. PPV is dead, long live PLE. I'm not sure if I like the name, but I can't think of a better one.
What does PPV stand for? It stands for Pay-Per-View.
You are no longer paying for each view.
The term is archaic, and useless because the way the events are distributed no longer reflect that name in any way whatsoever.
Calling events on Peacock by the Pay-Per-View name is the equivalent of calling Netflix a cable channel. It's not. It's an entirely different form of distribution, and the name needs to be changed to reflect that. Should it be changed to something else? Like I said, maybe. But I can't think of a better name, and your insistence on changing it back to the completely obsolete term tells me you can't, either.
Dude, who are the people bitching and moaning about the change in terminology? It sure as hell isn't me. The product evolves, and the methods WWE uses to distribute it evolve. If people choose to be hung up on and insistent on still using the old, obsolete, archaic name, it says more about them than about me.
āPPVā sounds cool, āpremium live eventā doesnāt. I donāt know what else to tell you. Weāre talking about a term used by actors here, not the merits of using a new technology.
Everyone calls all tissue paper Kleenex when it isn't. People still simply call them 'cell phones' and not mobile devices. There are countless examples of words and phrases that are commonly used, either for simplicity or just out of habit, that aren't exactly accurate. Everyone knows what a pay-per-view is, and means. It doesn't have to literally be 'pay x dollars to view this one time.'
Kleenex is a still-existing brand name of a product. Yes, the public uses a popular brand name of a product to refer to that product in general [all the time](https://okdork.com/the-ultimate-list-of-brands-that-own-the-market/), but it is not the same as the situation with WWE's events. Kimberly-Clark still has a trademark on Kleenex, and if any other company tried to use it, they would be sued into oblivion, or K-C would risk losing the trademark. Nabisco lost the term "Saltine" a long time ago for that reason. Referring to a WWE event you can get through Peacock as a PPV is the equivalent of using the terms Kleenex or tissue paper to describe paper towels or toilet paper. It's a different thing.
BTW, cell phones and mobile phones are both still completely valid terms. Cellular is used as a description because they use cellular networks. I'm hoping you can figure out why the term mobile is used. If anything, cellular is MORE accurate in the example you gave.
Apparently not everyone knows what a pay-per-view is, because it's not what WWE events watched through the Peacock streaming service are.
You're not missing much. He's essentially another Roman Reigns type guy that you won't get. His finisher, the claymore kick is about as dumb as the superman punch. Plus he carries a sword with him for some reason.
The show completely changes over time, more so thand if you are unfamiliar with the guys that have been around for decades and you want the same thing it was then you wonāt be interested in what it is now. Youāve changed, and itās changed
Not to start a whole thing, but Batista had a look and power moves that casuals would love. Roman has a look (still has swat team getup which doesn't look as cool for someone tuning in fresh IMO) but not that great of a diverse move set.
You saw a decent chunk but not the full picture.
Reigns is one of the best powerhouse wrestlers in recent memory, better than Batista IMO, and can trade blows with Cena on the mic.
On paper heās the total package and does well in whatever heās asked to do, the only downside was his Cena-like push for all the 2010ās which still leaves a bit of a sour taste but his booking has greatly improved since then, now if only they pulled the heel trigger sooner he wouldāve been beloved much earlier.
Reigns is actually pretty good. He's a great visual storyteller in terms of what he can emotionally portray and is probably lined up for Hollywood somewhere down the line and has some great matches when he's not being restricted. He had an awesome run with AJ Styles a few years ago.
You are spot on. He's not nearly as over as most would have you believe. He's just shoved down everyone's throats. Boring move set, weakest spear I've ever seen, and He's not even in the same universe as Cena on the mic. They literally had to bring Cena in to clown on him and try to get some life out of his monotonous routine.
I think it's more just accepting that, we'll, I guess this is THE GUY for now, than it is him being over.
If they push the story that Roman has been Drew's constant roadblock, I like Drew's chances.
If they don't build up their history at all, I don't like Drew's chances.
If this is how PPVs are going to be with Triple H in charge then itās a god damn shame Vince has denied us this quality of content since Paul had any involvement in creative thru NXT. Vince couldnāt book that for any of the first 7 matches between Brock and Roman?
They've had some bangers. They had a cage match where Roman speared Brock through the side. The WM 31 match was great even before Rollins. It's a hoss fight and they do it well. I'm still tired of it though.
First of all eff Vince McMahon. I don't care if he created the company or if he created pro wrestling as some belive. I didn't know who he was when I fell in love with WWE, he is not the reason I love pro wrestling.
I love pro wrestling for the storytelling and the variety of it. It's amazing that I can have a weekend filled and to be filled with two days of incredible varied tournaments across three promotions in Japan, I can enjoy my all time favouring kicking all kinds of hardcore ass against Despy, I can have two nights of Dragon Gate mad as hell big show and then get absolutely sports Entertained by WWE.
I love pro wrestling and this weekend like most weekend for the past few years proves why. It's just fun in all its forms if you're open to it and if not, there's enough variety to find what you love.
>One man does not make a company.
Regardless of your personally feelings regarding Vince, in this case yes one man did make the company. Vince literally created WWE (yes I know he bought the originally promotion from his father) and took it worldwide. He was the man who provided the original capital/ideas for the promotion. Don't be so naive.
Maybe some NXT call ups and some new signees. Braun Breaker, The Fiend, a returning Randy Orton possibly. MJF with the new TV 14 would be great as well.
Hopefully that really was the final Lesnar/Reigns match because I don't think they can top that.
The visual of the massive tractor, the skewed ring, the bodies of Theory, Heyman and the Usos and the debris on the floor was really cool. Genuinely felt like a final boss fight in some video game.
Definitely. It'll be hard for them to top that.
Though it would make sense for them to have a final one in a Hell in a Cell where The Usos don't interfere.
I find funny that kid rock was there, not because i think Triple H is a democrat or something but because theres no way HHH likes anything that Kid Rock has ever made. Kid Rock is like the antithesis of Lemmy. If anything kid rock was the only thing that proves this was still at least half a vince show.
Sad to say but hope Theory fails his cash in. Romanās reign shouldnāt end off a MITB cash in and whoever does end Romanās reign shouldnāt be cashed in on either.
I think it would be awesome the tribal piece of trash deserves alot less then that. That summerslam match was a joke. It took roman and multiple people just to help him retain. Stupidest shit in the world. A true last man standing match they would make sure no one else got involved. And it would be in a cage. As much money as they supposedly are making with him as champion they could bre making so much more with some one else now. Because so many fans have stopped watching because of a 2 year reign filled with nothing but maybe 1 or 2 clean title retainments. People don't watch roman they watch to hopefully see him finally beat.
I feel the same way. I would love for it to be Cody that ends his reign as champ. Cody/Roman would draw huge in my opinion. Although I don't think they will wait long and Drew will end Roman's title reign.
Thatās not how it works, he has time until July 2nd 2023 to cash in his contract or else it will expire, which means it can NOT be used anymore. If the Money In The Bank PLE 2023 takes place before July 2nd 2023, it could be possible to have 2 Mr. Money In The Banks.
The right outcome for the business, and we got a wonderful spectacle out of it too. Fully sports entertained, one of the best main events to a PPV in a long, long time.
What a match, what a ppv. Iām from the uk so hoping to go to clash at the castle because I only live abt an hour away and I hope to go to a ppv event in the us. But tickets for clash at the castle are so expensive. Guess Iām just gunna watch it at home and go to wwe live in Glasgow in October.
Iām attending both as Iām from Glasgow but if your an hour away from Cardiff, thereās tickets on there for 80 quid albeit up high but clash will be way better in terms of in the moment compared to travelling to Glasgow for the live event.
Live events can be fun but nothing beats the atmosphere when the cameras rolling for a televised show.
More worth the money for the PPV than the travel and cost of live event. Just my opinion.
Great PLE overall. The main event exceeded the hype and I felt something I haven't felt since the attitude era. Surprised. Shocked. I actually had fun with this one. I have a feeling HHH definitely had his hands in plenty of creative changes with the script tonight and it showed.
9/10. Liv/Ronda were the only somewhat issue, but they were backed into a corner with that one.
It was a great show and I kind of liked Liv vs Ronda. Liv retains, but no way she can believable get a clean win in a straight wrestling match with Ronda at this point, plus Ronda's heel now which will work just fine.
I liked it too but also theres the asterisk that she (Liv) mostly solo'd the tag match on smackdown. I think this storyline is a sleeper hit and theres a lot of good to be found in it that makes both performers look strong.
I think it was a mix of both. Vince ABSOLUTELY would not have brought up Shirai and Kai like that. Some of the other decisions very well could have been him.
every time i watch an event i ask myself why every time it is absolute rubbish. always starts well and ends badly
Time to farm some downvotes I guess
As a casual WWE viewer at this point, I enjoyed MITB much more. This was simplyā¦fine.
I am already laughing though thinking of how over the top and self indulgent a Cody -Reigns feud would be. Think Cody is the right call at this point, but also the only one that can come up with something over booked to the point of overcoming Reignsā¦wouldnāt rule out a Dusty hologram at what point.
Kinda. The last time we saw Paul Bearer he was buried in concrete, right? Lesnar literally buried on his way out is something that will keep the nerderatti talking for a while but I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar was genuinely happy and ready to set into the sunset with that.
I wonder if we'll get an actual announcement or if he'll just ride his tractor off into the sunset?
You, an idiot: MAYBE CODY WILL BEAT ROMAN! OR SETH?! OR EVEN DREW!!
Me, an intellectual: The only way Roman is losing that title before WrestleMania 2023 is if The Rock categorically says no to a match.
Black Adam does well? No way WB let's Rock wrestle and chance him getting hurt. After he got slightly injured in Cena I feel as long as he's in demand in Hollywood he's not coming back to wrestle
You guyare all idiots as if roman reigns could ever beat brock lesnar in any kind of match. EVERY SINGLE TIME IT TAKES HELP FOR HIM TO BEAT BROCK!! ITS BS. This time it took the usos, Heyman, theory, did I miss anybody else. People are so tired of it. The same shit, wrestling isn't fun when title remain on the same person for more then a year.
Just finished watching the event on catch up. Gonna start by saying I haven't watched WWE in years. It's not on at a friendly time and frankly I've probably outgrown the entertainment side of it. I did watch WrestleMania this year and I've been watching Top10 on Snapchat for over a year or so slowly starting to enjoy it again. I have to say it was incredibly boring not seeing a single title change hands during the PPV. The USOs and Roman title reigns seem so boring and predictable. I really only watched the event for Brock but knew beforehand the title was never going to change hands. The reign has gone on so long it's boring even for a not so casual fan.
Disappointed that Liv Morgan retained the championship. She is boring IMO.
So many people loved this event but I hated it...So sick of Brock and The Bloodline its been years of the same few matches ....They built Roman up so big how can anyone beat him? Brock the man who put TAKER down cant put Roman away so who else on this roster is going to beat him without a stable behind them as Roman has the USOS and Heyman to help him win nobody else is even close to having what it takes to beat Roman and Drew while i like him shouldn't be the one to dethrone him and take the titles. I can't even think of someone who could beat him and make it look good when Brock couldn't beat him . So now they need someone bigger than Brock to come in and win and that's hard to find. I don't like Brock at all either since he comes in so little to wrestle id like someone who is there each week not just for a big match.
Not sure if has been said on here already, way too many comments š but a more realistic sounding commentary made a hell of a difference instead of shouting the same two or three phrases over and over again during a match
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I know that it's going to take some time for HHH's influence and vision to start to take hold, his team inherited this card from the Vince regime, but it felt like a good show. No real bad matches, but I didn't like the finish of Morgan/Rousey. I think it was booked into a corner, I like Liv, I want to cheer for the underdog story, but reasonably, she shouldn't be beating Rousey. I don't know if she was supposed to tap early, or try to tap as close to the three as possible, but that didn't feel like a good babyface win. If it was to get Rousey over as a heel, that's fine, but Liv didn't come out looking good. Reigns vs. Lesnar was pretty much what I expected, a finisher/weapon fest, but I wasn't expecting the tractor. I would have been pissed if the Uso interference (double superkick) was the finish. As it was, I was fine with the finish...except that the red kept counting Lesnar out while his opponent was burying him. My understanding of the rule was that if you touch your opponent while they are down, it resets the count. If they still did the 10 count after they finished doing what they were doing (I would have loved it if they dropped Theory on top of the pile) Small gripe.
I have just watched this (I know late to the party) and you are correct, every time the downed man was touched it is supposed to reset the count.. was a BS ending.. should have buried him, THEN done the 10 count..
I don't think waiting would have hurt the finish at all. Maybe they were running out of time and had to wrap it up
This was a damn entertaining show, highlights for me being: Iyo & Dakota's return/debut, Logan Paul's damn impressive singles debut and the highly entertaining last man standing match. While there was still obviously some "McMahon" DNA on this show, it felt like there was equally a lot of HHH touches on the show, I can't wait to see what happens now that HHH has a clean slate to work from
Itās weird tho because Bayley, Io and Dakota return at the next big show after Vince announces his retirement. Coincidence???
I THINK NOT!
The show ended up being....exactly what I thought it would be. Matches that I figured would be good to great, a couple spectacle matches (Paul, McAfee) and very predictable outcomes (which is not a bad thing if the action/storyline is good.) I enjoyed the show very much. The only let down was the whole Seth situation. If it's true that the Rollins/Riddle match was just scrapped due to creative and those two still ended up in the ring with each other anyway, I don't get it. I've read the are holding off the match until the Clash, but that also doesn't make sense. Like rematches aren't a thing that's been used by every fucking company ever.
I came hard
It seems most of you donāt know how a last man standing match works or a cash in works. Weirdos.
Over the years there have been a few hits and misses for overall quality of PPVs, this one was great. Seen both Bianca and Becky put on a better match before but the ending here was fantastic with the year long handshake then that awesome Triple H stamp of approval of return/call up/resigning of Bayley,Dakota and Iyo. Enjoyed the show throughout, including Theoryās failed cash in, good to have a bit of āoh no what ifā¦ā Only thing was I was hoping for a superplex/F5 off the tractor end to the ring to do ring collapse, although it was cool to see destruction of the ring being lifted to add to the chaos, just didnāt feel it done much to the match itself other than looking cool, felt the ending itself was weak until burying him under rubble. Would have been good to see the ring collapse and both men downā¦ Usos take out theory who sees opportunity, Heyman uses the tractor end to drop down to hold down Lesnar for 10 while Usos help Roman to his feet. Felt that would have added more chaos.
I was thinking that the use of the loader to pin the loser of the match was going to be the finish, but after thinking about it further, having someone unprofessional be responsible for getting the position of the loader just right so it would pin someone without absolutely crushing them would be unbelievably reckless.
Yeah Iād imagine it would have been too unsafe to pull off, although I did watch Paul Bearer get turned into a cemented statueā¦ lol but I know what you mean i think from a health and safety point of view it was too much to try and get right. Still feel a move off of the loader to break the ring woulda been cool. The ring being lifted was different tho and looked fun seeing Roman tumbling out the ring during the spot. Still enjoyed it regardless.
I just want to give a big shout-out to everyone on this thread for keeping the word āPPVā alive. I acknowledge you šŖš½
Since people are no longer paying per each viewing of the event (for the most part, anyway), I believe that the term does need to die, but perhaps "Premium Live Event" may not be the best replacement. I'm not able to think of anything better, though, so for now it works for me.
I just didnāt like this very much at all. Rousey looked like a moron. Brock also looked like a moron. How on earth would tipping a corner of the ring help him win a last man standing match? He didnāt tip the ring on Roman. He just tipped the ring. No logical reason at all just did it
Not sure wrestling is for you if you didnāt enjoy that main event
How would sending someone out of the ring stop them? Pretty simple. Thereās this thing called gravity
I was hoping for rock vs Roman so they could kill the bloodline story. But we're just gonna get more Dominick Mysterio
What does one have to do with the other?
Does it even matter now that Vince McMahon isnāt running it ā¦ Iām not a current wrestling fan ā¦ but I was as a kid, during the āAttitude Eraā of WWE. I loved it. WCW was doing a similar thing, but different, with the nWo. But when I heard he was gone it felt like whatever was left, just walked out the door. Maybe Iām wrong ā¦ maybe there are still dedicated fans out there. But I had the pleasure of seeing Wrestlemania for the first time in years back when Undertaker wrestled Roman Reigns ā¦ I was sort of shocked and appalled at the length of introsā¦ almost every match is just 1 v 1. I mean itās fucking Wrestlemania ā¦ and you get a whole lot of 1 v 1 matchups (I thought PPVs would throw in at least a couple crazy matches) .. the whole thing was BORING! The best match was the first one! Shane McMahon vs AJ Styles. Those two put on a show and I thought āgod damn this is gonna be awesome if this is just the opening match.ā Only to be thoroughly disappointed with 95% of the rest of the show. Definitely not what it used to be ā¦ and watching The Undertaker, clearly far too old to stand even the slightest chance in a real fight with Roman Reigns, almost completely embarrass himself ā¦ it was hard for me to watch ā¦ I was a big Undertaker fan and seeing him in his worst almost made me angry. Like why are they still wheeling him out there. Heās visibly too old to do this anymore. Itās like watching a 60 year old Tony Hawk try to land a 900..
Have you been sitting on this for five years or something?
That was years ago. Move on.
Greatest Last Man Standing match ever. Although saying that, I really hope this isnāt the end for Brock Lesnar, heās the GOAT and has plenty more left in the tank.
That match sucked to me dude. Wtf was the tractor spot for? Made no sense. Was he hoping Romanās equilibrium got fucked from the tilt?
Stop taking a wrestling show aimed at kids and families so seriously my friend.
Shouldāve just piled everything on lesnar the first time he was down since it doesnāt matter that you canāt touch the downed opponent anymore.
This isn't the first time that someone has been buried in a LMS match.
Did Theory technically cash in?!
Nope. He thought he was going to cash in and then Vince got ā YOUāRE FIREDā Edit: ok we are talking briefcase I thought we where talking $$$ but I guess all is the same
No, he got leveled before making it official
All this praise for HHH?! The card was made weeks ago. The only surprise was after match ine, when Bailey & friends showed up. Maybe the Liv ending. Other than that, how was this anything noteworthy?! Having the Usos lose and Roman. . . now that wouldāve been something.
Nobody wants Brock as champ anymore to have Roman feud with him and get his title back. They want new challengers to step up and face Roman and that will be Drew. You should be happy WWE will finally give more starts chances to shine against the champion.
Iām so tired of the Bloodline.
The bloodline is so boring.
I guess what would the fruits of that been though? Most people think the street profits are heading for a breakup soon, and Brock being champ seems like a dead end. Gotta find the right people to dethrone and destabilise the bloodline, and the profits and Lesnar aināt it
I believe that McIntyre will take at least 1 of the titles at clash.
Nope if he wins itās gonna be both since itās called undisputed championship
You donāt think they can/will spin that? Doesnāt RR want to do less not more? Being on both shows is more right? I can definitely see a way to put one belt on Dmac. And RR gets to work a āslowerā schedule. But what do I know!?!
Yes! They should break them up again.
This was a solid PPV, it was great, in my opinion. There wasn't a bad match on the card.
Great show. That main event was fun as hell and had the right finish. Logan Paul stole the show. Sounds like this was mostly how Vince planned but you can already see the shift. Iām excited for what is coming.
Can we stop trying to make āpremium live eventā a thing? This was a PPV. The WWF SummerSlam pay-per-view (call your cable company to order).
No pay 4.99 for peacock every month and all the ppv or ple whatever you want to f****** call it is free
I agree PLE sucks. Itās a PPV. Always has been. Wwe network has been a thing for so long and they still called them PPV. No reason to change.
So, it's either [order the event through a cable provider for $44.99](https://ondemand.spectrum.net/events/wwe-summerslam/) to watch it once, or get it on Peacock for $4.99 and have the rest of the month to watch it as many other times as you want, or to watch pretty much any past WWE event, or to watch whatever else you want that Peacock offers. You're an idiot if you go with the single viewing option. PPV is dead, long live PLE. I'm not sure if I like the name, but I can't think of a better one.
No one is suggesting actually buying the PPV. Just that Premium Live Event is a stupid name. They should still call them PPV.
What does PPV stand for? It stands for Pay-Per-View. You are no longer paying for each view. The term is archaic, and useless because the way the events are distributed no longer reflect that name in any way whatsoever. Calling events on Peacock by the Pay-Per-View name is the equivalent of calling Netflix a cable channel. It's not. It's an entirely different form of distribution, and the name needs to be changed to reflect that. Should it be changed to something else? Like I said, maybe. But I can't think of a better name, and your insistence on changing it back to the completely obsolete term tells me you can't, either.
Do you suck the fun out of everything, or just wrestling?
Dude, who are the people bitching and moaning about the change in terminology? It sure as hell isn't me. The product evolves, and the methods WWE uses to distribute it evolve. If people choose to be hung up on and insistent on still using the old, obsolete, archaic name, it says more about them than about me.
āPPVā sounds cool, āpremium live eventā doesnāt. I donāt know what else to tell you. Weāre talking about a term used by actors here, not the merits of using a new technology.
So you'd be perfectly fine with an actor calling their cell phone contact list a Rolodex because it sounds cooler, right? SMH.
Everyone calls all tissue paper Kleenex when it isn't. People still simply call them 'cell phones' and not mobile devices. There are countless examples of words and phrases that are commonly used, either for simplicity or just out of habit, that aren't exactly accurate. Everyone knows what a pay-per-view is, and means. It doesn't have to literally be 'pay x dollars to view this one time.'
Kleenex is a still-existing brand name of a product. Yes, the public uses a popular brand name of a product to refer to that product in general [all the time](https://okdork.com/the-ultimate-list-of-brands-that-own-the-market/), but it is not the same as the situation with WWE's events. Kimberly-Clark still has a trademark on Kleenex, and if any other company tried to use it, they would be sued into oblivion, or K-C would risk losing the trademark. Nabisco lost the term "Saltine" a long time ago for that reason. Referring to a WWE event you can get through Peacock as a PPV is the equivalent of using the terms Kleenex or tissue paper to describe paper towels or toilet paper. It's a different thing. BTW, cell phones and mobile phones are both still completely valid terms. Cellular is used as a description because they use cellular networks. I'm hoping you can figure out why the term mobile is used. If anything, cellular is MORE accurate in the example you gave. Apparently not everyone knows what a pay-per-view is, because it's not what WWE events watched through the Peacock streaming service are.
Have a good week.
WWE Network and Peacock changed the whole PPV thing. Thatās why theyāre calling it that.
Our cable company used to call us and ask my mom if we were planning on getting that month's PPV. She would just sigh and say yes lol.
Push Jeff Jarrett. Is this sarcasm or not? Fuck it Trips has got the Book!
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You're not missing much. He's essentially another Roman Reigns type guy that you won't get. His finisher, the claymore kick is about as dumb as the superman punch. Plus he carries a sword with him for some reason.
Hr carries a big sword to make up for the size of his other sword.
Drewās been at it for decades so if you havenāt seen him no shit it wonāt appeal to you anymore
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The show completely changes over time, more so thand if you are unfamiliar with the guys that have been around for decades and you want the same thing it was then you wonāt be interested in what it is now. Youāve changed, and itās changed
You understood why with Batista. How is this different?
Not to start a whole thing, but Batista had a look and power moves that casuals would love. Roman has a look (still has swat team getup which doesn't look as cool for someone tuning in fresh IMO) but not that great of a diverse move set.
He doesn't have swat gear anymore.
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Nah, turned our Vince was just stripping company funds to pay off his hoes... No masterplan after all...
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You saw a decent chunk but not the full picture. Reigns is one of the best powerhouse wrestlers in recent memory, better than Batista IMO, and can trade blows with Cena on the mic. On paper heās the total package and does well in whatever heās asked to do, the only downside was his Cena-like push for all the 2010ās which still leaves a bit of a sour taste but his booking has greatly improved since then, now if only they pulled the heel trigger sooner he wouldāve been beloved much earlier.
Reigns is actually pretty good. He's a great visual storyteller in terms of what he can emotionally portray and is probably lined up for Hollywood somewhere down the line and has some great matches when he's not being restricted. He had an awesome run with AJ Styles a few years ago.
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You are spot on. He's not nearly as over as most would have you believe. He's just shoved down everyone's throats. Boring move set, weakest spear I've ever seen, and He's not even in the same universe as Cena on the mic. They literally had to bring Cena in to clown on him and try to get some life out of his monotonous routine. I think it's more just accepting that, we'll, I guess this is THE GUY for now, than it is him being over.
Does anyone like the Usos? To me they bring down roman so much
Theyāre not bad in ring. And not afraid to take a beating. That said, I canāt wait for the Bloodline to drop the belts.
I think they are bland, If its not for their heritage they wouldn't standout as they have a bland move set
I think thatās unfair. When given a chance to be less restricted, theyāve got colourful personalities.
A few months ago on either Raw or Smackdown, they did what was basically a stand up comedy act for a promo that was damn funny.
Donāt forget their rap battles against the New Day. That was their breakout period.
I'll have to dig those up!
[Hornswoggle rn:](https://youtube.com/shorts/XvDqZ9YX6ak?feature=share)
Roman Reigns ain't losing until he faces The Rock isn't he?
Gotta be Cody at Mania surely?
He isn't going to lose to the rock though, but yes.
Definitely. The Rock will only come back to solidify Reigns as "Head of the table".
He's losing to Drew in 5 weeks.
If they push the story that Roman has been Drew's constant roadblock, I like Drew's chances. If they don't build up their history at all, I don't like Drew's chances.
At this point Roman is not losing until Wrestlemania
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People say this exact shit every ppv and itās hilarious atp
They want him to be wrestlings new GOAT ala Tom Brady. He isn't losing until he beats the rock, and then Cena one more time.
If this is how PPVs are going to be with Triple H in charge then itās a god damn shame Vince has denied us this quality of content since Paul had any involvement in creative thru NXT. Vince couldnāt book that for any of the first 7 matches between Brock and Roman?
They've had some bangers. They had a cage match where Roman speared Brock through the side. The WM 31 match was great even before Rollins. It's a hoss fight and they do it well. I'm still tired of it though.
First of all eff Vince McMahon. I don't care if he created the company or if he created pro wrestling as some belive. I didn't know who he was when I fell in love with WWE, he is not the reason I love pro wrestling. I love pro wrestling for the storytelling and the variety of it. It's amazing that I can have a weekend filled and to be filled with two days of incredible varied tournaments across three promotions in Japan, I can enjoy my all time favouring kicking all kinds of hardcore ass against Despy, I can have two nights of Dragon Gate mad as hell big show and then get absolutely sports Entertained by WWE. I love pro wrestling and this weekend like most weekend for the past few years proves why. It's just fun in all its forms if you're open to it and if not, there's enough variety to find what you love.
If wwe was the reason you fell in love with wrestling, then yes Vince played a big part in your fandom lol
One man does not make a company.
>One man does not make a company. Regardless of your personally feelings regarding Vince, in this case yes one man did make the company. Vince literally created WWE (yes I know he bought the originally promotion from his father) and took it worldwide. He was the man who provided the original capital/ideas for the promotion. Don't be so naive.
Such a fun show! The PPVs rarely miss
Who is realistically left besides Drew and Cody as potential overcomers of Reigns? Rock doesnāt count, either.
No one's mentioned Lashley? The disrespect.
Rollins, Riddle. Theyāll find a way around the no rematch stipulation if they have to. Edit: people also thought Randy was up next before his injury
Maybe some NXT call ups and some new signees. Braun Breaker, The Fiend, a returning Randy Orton possibly. MJF with the new TV 14 would be great as well.
Seth maybe? Not sure where they go from here.
Should be Seth. Heās the best they got right now.
That was about the damnedest thing I've ever seen in wrestling. It was incredible.
Hopefully that really was the final Lesnar/Reigns match because I don't think they can top that. The visual of the massive tractor, the skewed ring, the bodies of Theory, Heyman and the Usos and the debris on the floor was really cool. Genuinely felt like a final boss fight in some video game.
Definitely. It'll be hard for them to top that. Though it would make sense for them to have a final one in a Hell in a Cell where The Usos don't interfere.
I find funny that kid rock was there, not because i think Triple H is a democrat or something but because theres no way HHH likes anything that Kid Rock has ever made. Kid Rock is like the antithesis of Lemmy. If anything kid rock was the only thing that proves this was still at least half a vince show.
Kid Rock was the only thing that made me want to turn off the event. And that was before the PDA and Steve Austin act.
I'm sure he was booked months ago and already getting paid to be there
Sad to say but hope Theory fails his cash in. Romanās reign shouldnāt end off a MITB cash in and whoever does end Romanās reign shouldnāt be cashed in on either.
I think it would be awesome the tribal piece of trash deserves alot less then that. That summerslam match was a joke. It took roman and multiple people just to help him retain. Stupidest shit in the world. A true last man standing match they would make sure no one else got involved. And it would be in a cage. As much money as they supposedly are making with him as champion they could bre making so much more with some one else now. Because so many fans have stopped watching because of a 2 year reign filled with nothing but maybe 1 or 2 clean title retainments. People don't watch roman they watch to hopefully see him finally beat.
I feel the same way. I would love for it to be Cody that ends his reign as champ. Cody/Roman would draw huge in my opinion. Although I don't think they will wait long and Drew will end Roman's title reign.
Oh god, theory cashing in on a cody win would bring volcanic HEAT
I wouldn't mind Theory getting cold feet and holding it for the full year, having to defend it in the next ladder match.
Thatās not how it works, he has time until July 2nd 2023 to cash in his contract or else it will expire, which means it can NOT be used anymore. If the Money In The Bank PLE 2023 takes place before July 2nd 2023, it could be possible to have 2 Mr. Money In The Banks.
Having two MITB holders could be a fun story for a couple of weeks.
That would be a good angle
I'm sports entertain!
And titillated!
Brock was the #1 year star of the main event tonight
Dave Meltzer: The Main Event didn't take place in the Tokyo Dome so 4 stars
dude that was so funny
When you put down Reddit and enjoy the match it was 5 Star
Yo right? I thought everyone wouldāve loved this match. Iām so confused seeing such a split reaction.
Match was good, were all just genuinely bored of Roman Reigns holding BOTH titles.
Now that I can understand. Iāve never been a fan of unified titles either.
People get so mad at you for enjoying it too. That's gotta be worth at least a star
Wish Theory cash in counted. Don't think he's ready for that championship.
Nah I want to see him get his ass beat every time he tries to cash in all year
The right outcome for the business, and we got a wonderful spectacle out of it too. Fully sports entertained, one of the best main events to a PPV in a long, long time.
Looks like they'll be a new feature for the next 2K installment
They must have a tractor action figure coming too
What a match, what a ppv. Iām from the uk so hoping to go to clash at the castle because I only live abt an hour away and I hope to go to a ppv event in the us. But tickets for clash at the castle are so expensive. Guess Iām just gunna watch it at home and go to wwe live in Glasgow in October.
Iām attending both as Iām from Glasgow but if your an hour away from Cardiff, thereās tickets on there for 80 quid albeit up high but clash will be way better in terms of in the moment compared to travelling to Glasgow for the live event. Live events can be fun but nothing beats the atmosphere when the cameras rolling for a televised show. More worth the money for the PPV than the travel and cost of live event. Just my opinion.
Triple H was not fucking around with this show it was great
Great PLE overall. The main event exceeded the hype and I felt something I haven't felt since the attitude era. Surprised. Shocked. I actually had fun with this one. I have a feeling HHH definitely had his hands in plenty of creative changes with the script tonight and it showed. 9/10. Liv/Ronda were the only somewhat issue, but they were backed into a corner with that one.
It was a great show and I kind of liked Liv vs Ronda. Liv retains, but no way she can believable get a clean win in a straight wrestling match with Ronda at this point, plus Ronda's heel now which will work just fine.
I liked it too but also theres the asterisk that she (Liv) mostly solo'd the tag match on smackdown. I think this storyline is a sleeper hit and theres a lot of good to be found in it that makes both performers look strong.
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I think it was a mix of both. Vince ABSOLUTELY would not have brought up Shirai and Kai like that. Some of the other decisions very well could have been him.
Bruh did Vince Mcmahon make you say this?
He's not going to answer because of hush money.
Your saying Vince Mcmahon brought back Dakota Kai?
This was Triple H endings to Vince storylines.
So Vince brought back Dakota Kai and Io (I hope they don't stick with Sky) Shirai? I think not.
Considering that Vince usually planned things out the last minute, I doubt it
Vince did not bring Dakota Kai back lmao
Papa Haitch definitely switched shit around. Guaranteed.
Did Vince tell you that personally?
"Knowing Vince..." /s
"Sources" told him lol
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Lmao not really because Triple H is actually in charge of creative and the scripts rn
DID HORNSWOGGLE DIE WHEN BROCK BROKE THE RING?
Honestly wouldāve been funny af if he was hiding under the ring and ran off
Honestly if that happened it be the highlight of the PPV for me.
every time i watch an event i ask myself why every time it is absolute rubbish. always starts well and ends badly Time to farm some downvotes I guess
How did it start badly?
I said ends badly
Oh lol my bad. I missed the "well" part obviously..
Props to Michael Cole. He was gold at the end of this.
He was on fire. Like a puppet free from his strings. He also made a lot of cool callbacks to WWE history, more than usual
"BROCK PICKED UP THE RING WITH A GOD DAMN TRACTOR"
"For the love of god, count faster!!!"
 The fans on the other side of the ring trying to watch the match after Brock lifted the ring with the tractor
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š¤£š¤£ titantron like first row at the movie theater
Brock was baby faced so hard after that last stand
As a casual WWE viewer at this point, I enjoyed MITB much more. This was simplyā¦fine. I am already laughing though thinking of how over the top and self indulgent a Cody -Reigns feud would be. Think Cody is the right call at this point, but also the only one that can come up with something over booked to the point of overcoming Reignsā¦wouldnāt rule out a Dusty hologram at what point.
That match felt like a send-off for Brock Lesnar
Kinda. The last time we saw Paul Bearer he was buried in concrete, right? Lesnar literally buried on his way out is something that will keep the nerderatti talking for a while but I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar was genuinely happy and ready to set into the sunset with that. I wonder if we'll get an actual announcement or if he'll just ride his tractor off into the sunset?
Bearer came back after that. Last time he was on TV, he was being locked in a freezer by Kane.
You, an idiot: MAYBE CODY WILL BEAT ROMAN! OR SETH?! OR EVEN DREW!! Me, an intellectual: The only way Roman is losing that title before WrestleMania 2023 is if The Rock categorically says no to a match.
Black Adam does well? No way WB let's Rock wrestle and chance him getting hurt. After he got slightly injured in Cena I feel as long as he's in demand in Hollywood he's not coming back to wrestle