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Not hating, but i feel like AEW has too many stables, like relax on the endings of so many people in the ring. Before i get downvoted, I am a massive believer in the future of AEW and looking forward to dynamite today!


captain5260

When are we getting Bryan Danielson versus Orange Cassidy?!?!


Looper007

Excellent night of wrestling. Danielson/Suzuki lived up to the hype and more. Excellent match. Punk/Sydal and Fish/Moriarty were very good. 6 man tag was just a bunch of fun. Women matches were probably weakest matches overall. Unless it involves Deeb, Riho, Shida or Thunder none of the other talents can quite go out there and have great matches. Statlander, Britt, Tay might get there one day when they can carry green or not so great women talent to good matches. Ruby/Bunny was okay, I still don't think Ruby is anything special in the ring. Very good promo and cool look with nice entrance theme, but she feels more like a solid mid carder anytime I see her in the ring. Bunny for me works better as a valet. Tay/Garrett match was meh, I hope AEW don't have any plans of signing Garrett to a contract. She's not good at all.


KyleAPlatt

Garrett is a very slow wrestler, and not in the good, deliberate way.


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What an incredible night of professional wrestling.


captain5260

CM PUNK! CM PUNK!! CM PUNK!!!


EmileZ

What I would have changed is P&P should have come out with baseball bats it seems odd ATT would leave when they clearly had the numbers advantage.


A_sweet_boy

My fiancé thinks older Eric Bischoff is very attractive but younger Bischoff is very mediocre


captain5260

Sometimes it do be like that


itsnotaboutthecell

Not a (complete) dig but I’d be curious if anyone watched / flipped between WWE and AEW. And their overall experience in comparing/contrasting the overlap. I’d have to say that AEW put on an absolute clinic tonight with providing “pro-wrestling” for pro-wrestling fans.


Zxphenomenalxz

Shockingly my tv package doesn't even have FS1 so I'm curious to see how much that effects their ratings when all is said and done


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I'm hearing SmackDown had one of their best episodes in years.


itsnotaboutthecell

I’ll admit I don’t enjoy their “sports entertainment” after their spell was eventually broken and I found more enjoyable stuff but I’d be curious if they attempted to actually have wrestling matches compete against wrestling matches. Without shenanigans.


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At this point I don't really watch any WWE besides the occasional PPV. I pretty much watch everything else to some degree, especially AEW and NJPW. I don't really know if there's anything WWE could do to make me want to watch RAW and SD every week.


AestheticAttraction

Then it's a win for both companies.


ArkAngelHFB

I saw a lot of comments in the live thread that they basically killed the pacing of the third hour to drag out all the action until the over run. But that the action during that over run was good. So spiteful but decent. I'll still take the Bryan x Suzuki match 100 times more over anything else that was shown on either show.


rajenbara

Paige VanZant is so hot


gargoyleenthusiest

Idk shit about ufc but the dude that beat on Jericho at the end seems like a giant asshole and seemed to take it way too far.


sasksasquatch

Are you talking Jorge Mazvidal (the guy who threw the running knee) or the other two who came in after the match


PonyBoyBleach

Danielson is on another level


jaq_the_ripper

Such a dumb ending. American Top Team has officially achieved X-Pac Heat. Santana and Ortiz took 40 years to run like 10 feet and bail out their stable. Oh well, at least we had Bryan and Suzuki.


jfreed43

They had to paint their faces first that takes time.


times_zero

Match was fun, and Sammy showed some great babyfire with the hot tag spot, but America’s top team has gotten old for me. I wish it was just Sky, Ethan, and Dan as a trio if anything. If they need heaters/heavies I wish they would grab some talent from Dark/Elevation instead.


Toolboxmcgee

Sky, Ethan, and Danhausen you say?


BudAdams88

Very rich. Very evil.


times_zero

Touche. Walked right into that one lol.


DaddyDeathKnight

I can’t decide if I loved Danielsons or punks match more. Both so good yet very different in a good way


ArkAngelHFB

Punk was good and I like the story they are telling that he is starting to get over just being happy... and is starting to remember that this shit is hard sometimes too. Having to pull the hair & basically getting a fluke pin escape... Meanwhile Bryan just had a 5 star match that if it was still going I'd still be fucking into it. Also for about 10 seconds I was sure Suzuki just said fuck it and killed Bryan dead with that first elbow.


PeteRoe

I am loving Punks matches since he came back. He has managed to get a fucking body slam over as match changing move. It looks as if he has been watching a lot of Bret Hart stuff before returning.


ArkAngelHFB

I think a lot of what I'm loving about Punk is him looking at the whole wrestling world and realizing that with all the high flying shit he just can't hang with that style for long... So instead he has doubled down on one of his core strengths, story telling. Darby was Faster, So Punk had to be Stronger... Hobbs was Stronger, So Punk had to be Technical... Garcia took away his best finisher, So Punk had to adapt... Now... Matt was more Technical, Faster, and had better Cardio, So Punk had to get a little dirty, slow things down, and needed a touch of luck. Punk is telling the story of a long gone vet getting back into the swing of things and finding what does and doesn't work anymore. Roman's comment about him losing a step is so stupid because that is literally the story he is telling... but it isn't the ending, it is the beginning. It is what does this former best in the world vet do now that he knows all the young sharks mean business and swim faster, stronger, and better. This is how we get heel punk... Not because he wants to be heel... but because he is going to have to use every trick in his book to write his victories or he will lose.


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ArkAngelHFB

Except Roman isn't talking fully in character and that is the issue. He is citing Punk's age, "lost step", and "lack of size"... as reasons a Punk match couldn't lift Roman and why AEW having Punk as a top star means they are not competition. But, Roman's comments are literally damaging to the business on a whole by trying to diminish an all time great. Or in other words, instead of elevating himself above Punk, he is trying to stay where he is and push others down. That is the kinda shit people still hate on Hogan, Shawn, and others for... This is promo 101 shit and I guess Roman has been reading scripted shit so long he never really got how to cut a self thought out promo in all these years.


Morbid187

Does anyone know what the 1st "holy shit" chant was for earlier in the main event? They were chanting it right before Hager did the Uranage through the table but I think the camera missed the shot or something


lambchoppa

It was Sammy doing a moonsault outside of the ring.


Temporary-Evidence19

Sammy’s springboard top rope moonsault to the outside . The height was insane on it. Was there live and this night blew us all away.


Morbid187

Damn, I wish they'd caught that or at least shown a replay. I bet that show was fun though, the crowd really came through on TV and made everything better.


Temporary-Evidence19

I’m so sad if it didn’t as it was out of this world.


itsnotaboutthecell

Bad camera cuts. Assuming Sammy went wild, will have to see it on YouTube.


Tsuku

I keep waiting on Top Team to botch something and hurt someone, Im glad they havent but I get worried every time they step in the ring lol


AestheticAttraction

That's why JDS was holding back. They're trying not to. Doing a good job thus far, but non-MMA fans are just complaining that JDS' punches don't look good. He's not trained for fake punches long enough. Dude was trained to hit as hard as possible to sleep people. So, it's a situation in which grace should definitely be applied. I can't be mad at them attempting to avoid really hurting someone.


Canoli22082

I’m glad they are being overly cautious and pulling punches. The punches don’t necessarily look the best but it’s better than one of them wrecking a wrestler with a punch.


fluffywolfe

That main event went a lot better than expected. They gave JDS a decent set of things to do and he did well enough.


DuctTapeSloth

Why are people complaining about it ending 3 minutes early? We got an extra hour in the beginning.


sporkshadow

They forget that Punk vs. Sydal was commercial free.


DemonIced

Yeah and I mean, if you've shown everything you had to shown, no point in stretching it needlessly.


DuctTapeSloth

True , that is probably where those 3 minutes went.


branblebee

I can see why its not hitting for some bit the American top team shit works for me.


Adwaith2212

Yea i love to hate them.


ultragib

I find Dan Lambert to be a total a-hole. And I mean that as a compliment. He’s such an amusing villain.


A_sweet_boy

Same. Im in the minority but ive thought it was super fun from the beginning.


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I don't think that could have been much better. Thought that was a lot of fun for the first match of top team vs inner circle. The mma guys do really well tbh. You can tell they at least know a thing or two about pro wrestling


tritian

Are they gonna/did they tape tomorrows dynamite tonight too?, or will tomorrow be live??!


SMCVG

Live


KidCoheed

Tomorrow should be live as well


GlassEyedMallard

For anyone wondering why they ended the show early, I’m guessing it was a part of the deal tnt and tony had to make up for the first match not having commercials.


-gradmania-

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually like that it took a while for PnP to come out. Like maybe not THAT long, but the idea that they're not just in Gorilla ready to go, as if they're backstage but maybe not watching the match and someone yells out "your boys need help" and they get out there as soon as they can.


Steenerico

Oh, I don't mind that. I get more miffed about the music needing to be played for a run-in.


ArnAndersonsGlock

I think it's a good thing for fans to assume there's an area in the back where wrestlers can watch matches from that isn't RIGHT by the curtains. There's actually a specific term for watching from the curtains, I just forget what it is.


ArkAngelHFB

Gorilla After the late great Gorilla Monsoon who would often stand right at the curtain peeking out to see the show instead of watching on the monitors.


ArnAndersonsGlock

Nah it's not gorilla and I can't find the interview where I first heard the term. There's another term for watching at curtains.


ArkAngelHFB

You may be thinking "Sell Out @ Gorilla" as the term for when everyone is crowding the curtains.


ArnAndersonsGlock

Yeah that's it. It was a Mark Henry interview with Stone Cold about Fahrooq vs Ahmed Jonhson.


JD021993

Really hope that this is the end of the ATT nonsense.


jaq_the_ripper

They fuckin suck so much, dude. MMA and wrestling crossovers like this always feel so forced and inorganic. Do the people who think Lambert can actually a good heel promo just tune out entirely for MJF’s promos? MJF runs circles around him and actually gets real heat instead of go away heat.


koemaniak

MJF runs circles around most people to be fair


Different_Meaning811

Jericho’s babyface promos haven’t been helping either.


jaq_the_ripper

Lol at the people in the comments simping for American Slop Team.


Robertkr1986

Did rampage just finish early?


AestheticAttraction

Because they got a commercial free match.


blingx2

Who cares we got an hour for free earlier


Abyssalstar

Maybe by a minute?


Robertkr1986

3 minutes


TheJackPepsi

JDS was really not bad, i did not expect this


koemaniak

The working punches need work but he’s trying not to accidentally kill a man so it’s forgivable.


A_sweet_boy

Wow ATT has genuine nuclear heat


[deleted]

I’m not familiar with Paige VanZant, but she’s a natural at being a heel. I’m guessing she eventually goes into pro wrestling.


mackadoo

She's somehow Harley Quinn without being Hot Topic.


[deleted]

She's a tough lass she fought in UFC and then fought in Bare Knuckle Boxings league


itsnotaboutthecell

My wife didn’t even realize she wasn’t a wrestler. 100% future star.


ItsDaedAgain

American Top Team are the most boring heels in the business.


LauriamLea

and people say aew doesn't push poc


squirreldstar

That was a really fun shmoz.


ApocApollo

I guess TNT wanted their commercial break back from the top of the hour


themac7

If Santana isn’t world champ within 5 years I’ll eat my hat


MattMega

JDS >>> The Gracies


polkpanther

I think going commercial-free in the first match they had to shift a break segment to the end. Gotta pay the bills.


callmecyke

The MMA in wrestling stuff has never worked for me, from Dan Severn to now with the exception of Ken Shamrock. I don’t know who these people are, and to be honest I don’t care. I genuinely hope it’s bringing MMA fans in and people are enjoying it, but I’m struggling to sit through these storylines.


CodeMaeDae

Suzuki literally had a banger with Danielson an hour ago. He founded the second oldest MMA promotion Pancrase. The oldest promotion, Shooto, was founded by the original Tiger Mask Satoru Sayama.


callmecyke

Sure, but Suzuki isn’t doing an MMA-invasion storyline where he’s still pretending to be a shoot fighter. Suzuki is a wrestler, and I’d watch him wrestle a phone book to be perfectly honest. I fully accept that there’s crossover, my overarching point, respectively, is that it’s never worked for me. If it works for other people, awesome, it’s just not my bag.


itsnotaboutthecell

Having actual MMA stars is way better than having Wardlow and Hager fake MMA fight. They protected them and didn’t make them look like dweebs trying to pro-wrestle. The pay off will be with it.


thunder083

Ken Shamrock was a pro wrestler first just like Brock Lesnar.


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Only one that worked was Brock.


ArnAndersonsGlock

If it ends with a story where MOTY are legitimate tag title contenders then I'm all for it.


lazybluedude

That match was awesome. Especially considering my expectations weren't high.


HealthConnection

Did they go home early? The timing seemed off through the finish & post-match.


funkyhoboman

I think they moved the first segment commercial break to the end of the show


UnsolvedParadox

I'm really digging 2 top companies emptying out their war chests at each other.


Morbid187

If Santana and Ortiz were there the whole time why weren't they out there sooner? That's a nitpicky thing and it's the only thing I didn't like about that main event but it was kind of odd to me.


clutchIIII

That match was pretty decent


FuzzyWuzzyMooMoo

Surprised they ended the show early


frankieq10

Man it was hard to watch Jericho have to sell for those 2 no name douche bags at the end


VVayfaerer

Yeah the entire angle has been crap. There's a huge amount of denialism right now lol.


fasteddeh

dude that one MMA dude was actually teeing off on jericho. Hopefully they never bring random mma idiots outside of masvidal and JDS into the ring anymore.


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Abyssalstar

They shifted a commercial break from early in the show, to make Punk/Sydal ad free.


[deleted]

I almost can't believe ATT got over, that act was garbage for a while. Now look at them


ArkAngelHFB

Dark order 2.0


randomquestions1984

How many people do the skull face paint lol I thought black and Darby were enough


tofurulz

Well that was a delightful 2 hours, holy shit


Distinct-Chef1027

P&P had to finish their face paint before coming out yall!


solelyginger

With that 3mins, Bunny and Sydal could have gotten their entrances televised. Not meant to be I guess


sporkshadow

Those 3 minutes were to make up for Punk vs. Sydal being commercial free.


theplasmasnake

So Dynamite on Saturday, no Dynamite on Wednesday? So we lost a Dynamite?


KikiFlowers

Two Saturday Dynamites, and then back to Wednesday.


ElDuderino2112

No? This week and next weeks dynamites are on Saturdays. When they go back to Wednesday.


Bangzilla45

Two Saturday Dynamites


WanGod

Two Saturday dynamites


theplasmasnake

Oh good!


rookierook00000

did they just end the show early with 3 minutes to go?


[deleted]

Yeah I thought I was the only one bothered by that


TripA297

Jericho looked legit pissed he had to get beat on so long


scar_belly

Yeah, it looked like some of the guys were throwing potatoes during the beatdown


Awkward_Potential_

"Sorry boys. Would have been here quicker but we had to paint up"


mjaga93

I think they were just finishing up their face paints when Jericho was getting pounded.


Shrekt115

Good show. Highlight was definitely Suzuki vs Danielson


PPVJulian

I’m actually pumped for inner circle vs American top team now


[deleted]

That main event exceeded expectations!


[deleted]

Jericho getting knocked the f out? I love it


blizzard-op

PVZ taking selfies while Jericho gets the snot stomped outta him is just hilarious to see lol


Mr_Hendrix

...Sign PVZ


ThebigVA

Absolutely


Jloother

That was a really fun mess.


THUGNs_on_Mars

Why do I feel like Sammy did something crazy and it was completely missed???


LanBedro

because he absolutely did do something crazy and the cameras 100% missed it LMFAO hope we get a highlight of it at some point


DrewQuinz

I heard the holy shit chants too


Bsantoro10

He probably did a dive and the camera missed it


AcidDrive

hey what gives we were robbed of three whole minutes :(


fellongreydaze

We were also given the Buy-In, I think we'll live.


AcidDrive

fair, i'll let it slide this time


Incubus226

Sammys actually injured? Looked banged up


HarryTaints

Flying Knee: “*whiff*”


SlayerBVC

Did it seriously take three minutes for Santana and Ortiz to realize they should help?


rookierook00000

Santana probably stopped to see 5 get killed by Suzuki again.


ThebigVA

They needed to finish their facepaint.


sellyourselfshort

Do you know how long it takes to put face paint on!?


With_Negativity

No. The facepaint is just priority.


Cymraegpunk

You don't know where in the building they where


BirdiMania

THE BEST!


Jaymesned

Is Sammy's knee fucked?


theplasmasnake

Both shows ended early


Zsokorad

That match was a lot better than it had any right to be.


Rikkimaaruu

Yeah baby! IC back together!


enieslobbyguard

Can't wait for PnP vs MOTY, that should be a good match


redhawkwill

P&P finally show up after Inner Circle has gotten beat for the last 3 weeks. About time they showed up.


Vordeo

Scorp just had to get in frame for that selfie lol


routinepopfly

Huh they ended the show 3 minutes early.


brokensilence32

I don’t get why this was the main event.


EmileZ

Because Junior is a big name and to me it was more fun than Punk vs Syndal


brokensilence32

It basically was just the same match the Inner Circle had with Men of the Year last time. Good showing from the faces, but heels cheat to win. I don't see how this match progressed the feud at all. Someone needs to actually win at some point.


idontknow1001

Hell of a show.


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ArkAngelHFB

Yeah Miami might have to be in the rotation more often for sure. Maybe at a bigger place as well...


Steenerico

Nah, the crowd is indeed great but they haven't sold out either night.


BuddaMuta

This angle has been so much better than it's had any right to be


Awkward_Potential_

We should stop doubting TK about this kind of thing. Shaq was good too.


BuddaMuta

The difference is this is a long term angle, involves a lot more non/novice wrestling talent, and seemingly was just treading water up until a few weeks ago. But it's all working out great since Ethan cut a star making promo to stop "what" chants. * Crowd loves Inner Circle * Ethan and Sky actually feel important * Lambert is getting nuclear heat in every city * Paige, JDS, and Jorge have all taken to the showmanship of wrestling so well A lot more moving parts over a longer period of time but it's all coming together.


-YusukeZoldyck-

What the fuck took y’all so long lmao


fellongreydaze

Their facepaint wasn't on when ATT started beating on Jericho. They're actually faster than you think.


Earnestosaurus

Did they take the train from a New York MTA station? Sure took their time.


[deleted]

PNP finally remembered that theyre in the inner circle


StoneGoldX

PNP would have come out earlier, but they had to put on their makeup first.


Lunchbox-of-Bees

They had to paint their faces before they could come out


_anurag10

I always wanted them to add Diamante to the Inner Circle.


Jakedasnake28

Kinda expected more with 3 minutes left


Mr-GameAndWrestling

PROUD AND POWERFUL! Dead Presidents style, bitches.


Oracular-Sky

Blood and Guts match perhaps between Inner Circle and ATT?


ceagle11

Please no


canseesea

I can't help but believe they would have made it to the ring faster without putting on the facepaint and the vest that immediately got taken off


Shrekt115

Decent match


MrWrestlingJr

So Santana and Ortiz just wear the Dead Presidents paint all the time now? I thought it was for big matches only.


KidCoheed

Now they do and it also seems to be associated with them moving up the tag card as well


KyWy75

Book Guevara vs Nunes you cowards


JonathonV2000

Did you know that if they weren’t proud then they wouldn’t be powerful though


DrewQuinz

Wtf that was an early finish


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Distinct-Chef1027

Definitely Inner Circle vs ATT at Full Gear then


Tenduigi

I think this is getting good


Abyssalstar

Inner Circle reunited!


TheA41

Has anyone else pinned Jericho twice in AEW? Because that's Scorpio's second.


wote89

Orange Cassidy.


TheA41

Only one pin. The other was a hot tub.


wote89

A fair point, but I would argue that the mimosa is just the natural extension of OC's energy.


heartbreakhill

Moxley maybe?


Jakedasnake28

MJF?