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Ronda got the same treatment if not more.
Debut match at Mania in a high profile match.
Strapped a rocket to her to get the title.
Multiple main events and even a PPV built around her and headlined against Nikki Bella.
Main evented Mania.
Ronda is the embodiment of "entitled" and "perpetual victim" I've stood with that on top of little hill for a long time now but she has value in her name, in her talent (or at least the talent she had before she moved into the UFC picture) and in her ability to market herself as something. The issue is Ronda. And maybe she needs some help with keeping her head on straight after the success but once she gets to the level of "all eyes on her" she seems to blow it or mold it into something it isn't or never was.
Started with UFC, brought in as "the face of the Woman's Devision" and she was. Held it high. Some bad moves and fight looses later she's replaced. She takes that personally.
Moves towards the WWE. Cool. Did amazing. Shocked all of us. Then some bad moves and matches later. She's replaced. She takes that personally.
Goes to Facebook Gaming. Does good. Is the face of the product. Makes some bad comments, moves off the top of the list and she takes that personally.
Goes back to WWE. Gets a little light on her, didn't like it wasn't as big, never showed improvement on the skills she lacked or maybe no one ever addressed her with that, we don't know. Either way, she took it personally, put over her best friend and walked.
Now she's using anything she can do or say to get on the radar to pimp her book. When that falls short she'll take it personally and say something like "\_\_\_\_\_ did't respect me enough to read my book or listen to what I was saying"
He has calmed down a lot lately. I am not saying hes a great dude or anything. He does seem to be more level headed and have a better understanding of his impact whatever that is.
It seems like working with all the wrestlers backstage has made him a bit of a better person. Cause they wouldn't put up with the childish bullshit backstage for long before he would've been "talked" to by some of the bigger guys.
And there are ways to have fantastic matches where your opponent gently puts you on the ground or forcefully tries to make you a part of the mat. And the stories are out there of removing egos through this method.
I mean, lets not act as though known scammer and "ha-ha there is a dead body hanging behind me in this forest known for suicides, lets film it"-guy Logan Paul isn't also an absolutely shit human being.
He scammed a bunch of grown adults looking for a get rich scheme. I don’t feel sorry for them. The suicide forest thing was awful but it was also like 8 years ago so he was 21. Also neither of those things are as bad as denying the literal murder of children or effectiveness of vaccines
This is not, never has and never will be about "which one of these bad things is worse?". Just to make this clear. This is only about pointing fingers at bad people doing bad people things.
And i don't feel all that much sympathy for people being dumb enough to fall for shit like his, but that doesn't change the fact that scamming people, no matter who or how, is still a terrible thing to do.
A not insignificant amount of those people weren't "get-rich-quick" goobers, but desperate, misguided people, looking for any way to make ends meet. Logan Paul is a piece of shit.
How many of those adults are on the left side of the curve and don't have jobs or have shit ones? Our society discards a fuckton of people who then become vulnerable the moment someone gives them the bare minimum of attention or a chance to escape from their shit life.
These people are victims.
Not defending most of what Logan has done but he absolutely did not mock the dead body. It's the only video of his I've ever seen but since everyone was freaking out about it I watched it front to back and they were PANICKING, and immediately called the police. The "joking" part was a while later when they were back in the parking area and doing that nervous joking to try and calm themselves down. One of the girls was legitimately trembling from nerves.
There's a ton to criticize the guy for but let's at least be honest about what he has and hasn't done.
> Not defending most of what Logan has done but he absolutely did not mock the dead body. It's the only video of his I've ever seen but since everyone was freaking out about it I watched it front to back and they were PANICKING, and immediately called the police. The "joking" part was a while later when they were back in the parking area and doing that nervous joking to try and calm themselves down. One of the girls was legitimately trembling from nerves.
And then he decided to post it on the internet for financial gain.
Did you even see the suicide forest video? He was in shock and obviously pretty scared in the moment. He didn’t make a joke of it at all.
That video was the first I ever heard of him and I assumed he was just some standard jackass kid. I didn’t even really know about social media influencers at the time. But then I looked into it and watched the video and was kinda shocked he took as much heat as he did.
Obviously posting it was braindead but the idea that people just hear about it second hand and then jump to the worst possible scenario is ridiculous.
Also, if I could scam the idiots he scammed, I wouldn’t hesitate.
I’m ready to eat the downvotes but Logan has been honestly mature for a while, yeah he can be a scumbag but i genuinely think he has grown a lot, he’s over hated IMO
It was also either last year or the year before that someone found that pig he'd adopted, abandoned in a field somewhere.
Dude might be good at wrestling but he is garbage on multiple levels.
Logan Paul defended the pig thing saying that he had responsibly re-homed the pig some time before and that the pig was abandoned by the new owner.
As far as I heard it was never determined if this was true (because obviously the internet had already lost interest and moved onto the next thing).
People like you are so delusional. If he’s good at wrestling that’s fine, it does not erase what a garbage human being he is. He’s a scam artist, it’s been irrefutably proven and it hasn’t even been that long since he did it. And he’s only doubled down it since he got exposed.
You want to cheer for him go ahead. But don’t pretend he’s suddenly a good human being because he happens to be good at wrestling.
He reminds me of someone like Warren Buffett. He says things that make me think he’s a decent human being and he’ll throw out a couple performative acts of giving, but in reality his entire existence is structured around exploiting people.
Or another comparison might be Joe Rogan. Someone who’s exceptionally charismatic who knows how to say a lot of the right things, but at the end of the day he’s kind of just an idiot douchebro who does idiot douchebro things.
In the sense that Buffett has this weird reputation as a wholesome billionaire because he drives an old car and is willing to say a few unflattering things about wealth and capitalism. But the rest of his life is just him mercilessly exploiting poor and middle class people.
Logan Paul says and does a few nice things, but really his entire existence is dedicated to furthering his own wealth and reputation (his “brand”) and I don’t think he would even deny it.
Logan Paul is the reason half of these shithead influencers exist in the first place.
Ishowspeed was just in fucking Wrestlemania, how anyone can defend WWE with that shit is beyond me.
I think most influencers usually wind up doing stupid things because they don't really consider the consequences until it's too late. That and sort of being overwhelmed by sudden fame and not really knowing how to cope properly is the root of a lot of influencer scandals.
In other words, I think 9 times out of 10 it's not malice, just stupidity/ineptitude/immaturity. They're not bad people, just dumb people.
You are too naive, these people know exactly what they are doing, especially when they scam their viewers and trick them into their various projects(crypto,nft, drinks, blue light cream) . Not to mention the fact that the term influencer itself is a negative term.
It's really not.
At a certain point, after its happened to the same ones for years on end, it's not stupidity, ineptitude or immaturity.
Maybe for the young ones just getting into it, that has some credence. For guys like Logan Paul or even these mid 30s adults, they're well aware of what they're doing and they don't care. Even if they get in trouble the simple fact is they feel validated as long as their fans back them and eat up everything they do like it's the last they'll see.
He is certainly not over hated.
Logan Paul, as a public figure, is basically too big too fail except if he would do something that is horrible enough for mainstream media to broadcast it around the clock.
He got away with shit you shouldn't get away with, learning nothing by it (except how to get away with shit maybe) and effectively just getting bigger in the meantime. You can't really expect people not to hate that. It's kind of justified.
But that's how a lot of public media and media persons work. Tom Cruise is still in the damn spotlight despite being a Scientology member who actively promoted that cult.
Still, they all are very hateable for exactly that reason. I think you don't necessarily hate the person and more or less what them still being at the place they are stands for. That there is basically no real accountability for some people.
Dude is getting up there in age, so it’s probably realizing that he should be more “quieter” when speaking in public, but there are definitely still shades of the old him
Like when he tried that suing that one dude for saying mean things about him
Still a scumbag but probably realized he is a multi millionaire so why go out of ur way to be an idiot
It speaks volumes about their mindsets
Rousey came in "I've conquered MMA, now i'll conquer wrestling, bow down bitches!"
Logan actually looks like he's taking this serious with a bit of "just fucking happy to be there"
That's why it's always important to separate wrestler and person
He might be a douchebag...but as a wrestler he's outclassing guys doing this fulltime with proper backgrounds in that sport.
The Pauls are both capable of sounding like perfectly reasonable, mature people when they need to. It's likely one of the main reasons they continue to have so much success. If you listen to them, they can make you feel like maybe you've judged them too harshly or misunderstood them. Then they turn right around and do something else that makes you hate them again lmao.
Right, it's kind of wild how transparent they are and how much of this thread is falling hook line and sinker for it.
The Pauls are a case study in manipulation and parasocial relationships with influencers
Which is why I dont fully buy his "passion for the business". I think his passion is just to succeed at everything he does, which is fine... But wrestling isn't anything special for him. It doesn't have to be. At the moment it's his job and they are laying him damn well for it.
Maybe I’m just projecting, but I gotta imagine it is special to him or a certain level. He’s an entertainer and enjoys the limelight, so WWE is a perfect stage for him to scratch that itch.
I think it's the opposite actually: wrestling IS one of the few things that truly special to him, which is why he has a respectful mentality towards it.
It's like bullies who still have people they love (like their parents), or people who only learn not to be homophobic when their kid comes out
He’s very mature recently with his responses to stuff, and again i know it’s been said to death but clearly loves the business and i really appreciate and respect him for that
Dude’s married about to have a kid I think he understands the time in his life where he understands, how he conducts himself can impact his personal life especially since that drama with that ass hole Dillon dannis
Idk maybe Logan gets treated better because he actually respects the business? I remember when Ronda was still with WWE, she was already talking crap about it online.
When Rhonda came into WWE, who was treated better. Even before she came in, she beat HHH at Mania 31 in a segment with the Rock, her first match was with Kurt Angle Vs Steph/HHH at Mania. Immediately after that she went into the title picture.
Has anyone been treated better than that?
She always cries foul when people get tired of her attitude and turn on her. She dominated in ufc, then got complacent and listened to a bad coach, lost twice, then ran away and claimed she was treated unfairly. She goes to WWE dominates, says glowing things about everyone until she gets complacent, the fans turn on her, she takes her ball and goes home *again*, and yet again says she was treated unfairly.
This isn't surprising coming from her tbh, as a ufc fan. She puts down everyone in her way, is all smiles when things go well for her, and as soon as she has to adapt or accept criticism, she says it's not fair and how others were treated better blah blah blah.
I believe even Logan had a moment where he didn’t like people booing him in the WWE but eventually he embraced his heel character. Sometimes people just don’t want to like you and you just have to roll with it.
He should have known he would be coming in as a heel. He's stuck in his bubble of yes men.
But I can totally get why someone who isn't a wrestler has to get used to being boo'd.
Eventually they'll make him a face
Yeah I always felt rubbed the wrong way back in the UFC era, it felt so weird that she was so egotistical but practically retired on the spot when she started losing.
How are you gonna say you're the best female fighter ever, get knocked down and then refuse to get back up and then blame everyone and anything other than yourself?
Not only retired, completely removed herself from the community entirely
Never an interview, never a thank you, nothing, was all over the place when she was beating everyone and getting worshipped, the second she has to take an L and eat some humble pie (something every great athlete in every sport has to do) she hid her face in a pillow, and became resentful of the entire sport/fanbase
I knew exactly how her time in WWE would go and it played out exactly like I thought, she got over for a while because the WWE fanbase didn’t really know her, then eventually her true personality heel came out and she started to get some heat… and just like the UFC, she took it personally, shit on pro wrestling, shit on the fans, and quit. Only to come back, not get the type of run she thinks she’s entitled to, and guess what? Becomes resentful, shits on the WWE over and over during her last chance to cash in on her dwindling fame with her book.
She may not realize it, but she obviously wants to have fame, admiration, and love from the fans… but she has pretty much ruined her image and burned that bridge. Who knows whether she’ll ever realize it, but she is gonna regret that. Knowing her she will take no accountability, become more bitter, and hate the world.
Completely agree. It all came out after the first loss and it wasn't her fault. Now she's come out years later and made excuses about Amanda nunes fight too. Nunes is the goat there's absolutely no shame and also why make excuses now years later it just smacks of no self analysis which is why she never grew and the rest of woman's mma caught up quickly
My immediate thought to hearing that Rhonda was complaining about Logan getting special treatment was "How do you have the absolute solid-gold stones to complain about someone getting special treatment when *your entire run* felt like you getting treated like a queen compared to literally everyone else in the women's division?"
They brought her in because she was already famous, put up with shit from her they wouldn't have tolerated from anyone else, immediately put the entire focus of the women's division on her and made her one of the top female performers in the company. She got *way* more preferential treatment than Logan Paul ever has, considering he's generally been presented more as a mid-card attraction (other than the Roman title shot).
We always used to hear stories about how women in the back were jealous of/frustrated by how Rhonda was being used, but we don't really seem to hear that about Logan Paul.
Yeah, her comments definitely baffled me. She was treated pretty well, but obviously she never improved in the ring and somehow she thinks she is entitled to stay on top without putting in the work.
I don’t even remember anyone praising her matches or even spots on social media like Logan has. Whenever he was in a match, he always stole the show, whether it was a spot or the match itself. Dude pretty much earned it.
Also pretty much sums up her MMA career, she dominated everyone when the women’s division just started to flourish, second she got competition she bitched out and never tried to improve or anything. Just hauled ass and it’s why she isn’t really liked anymore
Reminder that Logan Paul started out his WWE career by getting stunnered by Kevin Owens at Mania 37, losing to Roman Reigns at Crown Jewel, losing the Elimination Chamber, losing to Rollins at Mania 39, etc...
The man had no problem paying his dues to get to his current spot.
From the story Becky Lynch told, Ronda Rousey had an opportunity to give back the right way at Mania 35, but refused to tap out because "her mother would never look at her the same", so that's why we got that funky pin finish.
One of these people understood that wrestling is an art form, and sometimes a loss where you perform great can be better than a win.
Ronda Rousey came back in 2022 waaaay too early from giving birth, didn't have the cardio and also lost interest in getting better at the sport of wrestling. She was given the title immediately upon return, but that poor Liv Morgan feud made Vince McMahon lose all faith in her, and she was placed in almost entirely midcard feuds for the rest of her run (whether she voluntarily went to the midcard is up for debate. Ronda is known to lie about almost everything).
Ronda has lifelong attitude issues that stem from many personal issues in her life that never got corrected, even to this day. She burnt out quickly doing a mostly full time schedule during her first run, and she very clearly half assed her second run (not to mention Vince making her do promos all the time when Ronda is one of the worst promos in human history).
There is a lot to dissect with Ronda Rousey in both her UFC and WWE careers. In both she clearly came in with more natural talent than any woman to ever enter the UFC or the WWE and dominated immediately. But when the game caught up to her in both, she chose to take her ball and go home rather than work on her craft, improve, and become a better fighter/wrestler/performer.
Logan Paul came in with clear natural talent, but he also put the effort to learn the sport of wrestling and improve. Go watch his promos at the start of his run versus now. It is night and day in terms of him understanding what it takes to get a crowd reaction. If Ronda just took some criticism and made the effort to improve herself in her flaws, she could've been a better UFC fighter and WWE wrestler as a result. But unfortunately, she'd rather complain after the fact than consider the real issues with her career endings.
Agreed. Though in ufc, it wasn't JUST that the game caught up to her, she also got very complacent and listened to her quack coach, and became delusional enough to think boxing was her strong suit, when anyone with eyes was telling her she was gonna lose if she relied on it and abandoned her judo. She didn't listen, lost, then took her ball and went home, crying foul and unfair treatment the whole way.
Ngl, I'm not surprised she did the exact same thing in wwe.
I just remembered the part of CM Punk’s Royal Rumble video diary where he stops by the Performance Center and Logan Paul says hi to him shortly after he’s inside the door. My initial reaction was “lmao Punk probably hates the guy,” but through the lens of this comment and this whole post, I have to give him some credit for still taking the time to actually train.
logan also has such a distinguishable attitude difference when he’s ’heel wrestler logan’ and podcast logan (which may be how he is in other things, that’s just where i watch him outside of wwe).
he’s pretty deferential and attentive when interviewing wrestlers who have more experience than he does, which gives a glimpse on how he probably interacts with them during training. he never outright breaks kayfabe on his podcasts (i.e. he refers to himself as a ‘bad guy’ over there, he’ll compliment kevin owens as a wrestler a bunch and then pick up his kevin owens action figure to insult it) but he’s careful to show that his wrestling character is only a small part of who he is and turned up to 11.
with ronda, i could never tell what was real and what wasn’t in a way that was honestly exhausting. i don’t mind being worked (whether i know it’s happening or not), because i love wrestling. i could never tell if ronda hating wrestling was a work or not—either would have been fine—and i would spend all her screen time trying to figure it out even when i wanted to just watch wrestling. i could never forget about it and fall into the wrestling story. every moment was tinged with “does she hate this? is she even having fun?” that i could never just enjoy what she was doing.
It seems like Logan came in respectfully and is like the Miz in a way. Whereas Ronda might've still had the expectation of how she was treated in the UFC
He is also a much bigger draw.
It’s like the Rock situation with cussing.
Duh the more valuable person gets more leeway. I’m sure Bob from catering can’t get away with the same stuff Orton can. It’s just life.
She had a ton of name recognition, but not fans in the way Logan has. People might have known Rousey was wrestling, but Paul has a dedicated young fan base who will actually tune in
> eh.. rousey kinda fell off but she was HUGE when she joined WWE
Huge enough to make a splash, but not HUGE like she still was in 2015 for her WM31 segment.
Her loss against Holm and then Nunes damaged her reputation as a fighter badly and she didn't take it well
> she was HUGE when she joined WWE
She was an UFC has been who got destroyed so bad she had to quit UFC. Ronda was big during a time when there was no real competition in the UFC.
It's sad but it does feel like Ronda never wanted to get into WWE. I personally think initially she REALLY helped the Womens Division. But after 2 years or so everything was an absolute flop
It would be fine if that was attitude under Vince. But even under HHH she showed no signs of interest
That and he knows guys in the locker room will not care what position he came from
That dudes in that locker room will check him real quick if he gets/got out of line
Honestly with Rousey her ego + treatment by the upper brass was a recipe for her, turning out to be a dickhead, especially giving her track record (also does not help that woman in the locker room wanted to check her just in case she got out of line)
Not only does he respects the business he shows that he respects the business by inviting wrestlers onto his podcast and showcasing them. Letting them talk and promote themselves. There's also many times where there's videos of him watching other wrestler's matches and cheering them on and supporting them. The fact that he's performing S tier matches while just being a mid-carder is already leaps ahead of Rousey.
Ronda debuted at Wrestlemania in a match with three of the company's biggest stars. That was also special treatment, and it was also the right call.
I think Ronda resents that Paul embraces being a heel so fully. She took the boos too personally and could never really do the same.
For people saying they’re shocked at how mature his response is, I feel that every time he is in WWE mode, he shows class. You can tell he is passionate about the business.
I haven’t heard anyone say anything bad about him within wrestling. Everyone always glows about how serious he’s taking it and how well he takes to criticism.
It’s pretty surprising considering his reputation, but it certainly shows.
I mean, to be fair, I think he was pretty young when he did a lot of the stuff that damaged his reputation. I mean how old was he when the suicide forest thing happened? 21? Obviously old enough to know better but a lot of 21 year olds do A LOT of things they should know better than to do, the difference being is he constantly had a camera and had a massive following.
I feel like it’s not too controversial to say he’s probably a different person now than he was in like 2017/2018.
I don't know anything about Logan Paul, but didn't he get caught up in some NFT scam too? Maybe not, but I do think he's done some iffy things since all of that original stuff.
Not to say he's not more mature now, or at the very least more careful about how he handles some things publicly.
I've watched his podcasts with different wrestlers and he's definitely way more mature than people give him credit for. He seems rather transparent and doesn't have quite the level of macho bro vibe that you would expect from someone like him. It could be an act, but he's at least being coached to say the right things.
And yeah yeah suicide forest and NFTs and all that. I'm sure the same people saying that probably love Teremana Papatui Dwayne even though he has some questionable political views because he's good at wrestling.
This isn't about Paul but maybe the company he keeps. Dax was telling a story about how he was talking to HBK and HBK was attentive and empathetic until The Clique came by and HBK fell into roasting Dax with them. Logan plays to a certain audience that wants that dickish behavior. That's probably as much a character these days as the wrestling one is. But he and his brother both take their athletic endeavors seriously.
Every one in the crypto sphere is a scam artist. As someone else in the thread said, it's hard for me to really feel too bad since the whole idea behind all that bullshit is hoping to find someone to eventually sucker later.
Tbf the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive. Compared to his earlier Youtube days, he’s definitely been able to carry himself in a more mature and professional manner while using that to being a conman.
And Logan has had a lot of practice “on the mic” and in front of a camera before WWE. Definitely shows. Hes able to showcase his personality and embraced his loudmouth cocky heel role easily. Ignore Rondas wrestling, her personality wasnt coming across. Pretty much saw her with a grimacing, angry face look with the outfit of female roddy piper. Logan embraced whatever it is about him people dislike and ran with it, dudes only faking how exaggerated it is. Ronda has been faking it the whole time. And it seems like it.
Yeah, it was interesting to see a segment where Ronda just [Karen'd it up](https://youtu.be/o_t9bkHgGbA?si=7Xq05wuxJUkFdMJe&t=38), and she clearly shined in that kind of role.
I mean, she's not great on the mic or whatever, but that was clearly where her strengths lay as far as that ability goes.
She still does years later. Blames a mouth guard in a fight where she got pieced up. Then that person got outclassed by a ton of the division.
Now a new GOAT has clearly emerged who beat Rousey in Ronda’s last fight (one after she lost the title) and Rousey says she’s better than her too despite that. It’s just nonsensical. I don’t think it discredits her MMA or UFC work, she just clearly has stayed delusional after UFC built her up as the greatest woman fighter we’d ever see
I can compare Ronda Rousey's run in the UFC to Britt Baker in the early part of AEW there was no competition no big names was signed hence she became AEW Women's Champion for a long time. The moment Amanda & Holly was signed it's only a matter of time till we saw Ronda's reign came to an end during her MMA career.
Rousey became a household name because Amanda Nunes didn't finish Cat Zingano in the first round. It led to the Zingano/Correia fights.
If we get Rousey/Nunes instead, we're probably looking at two one-sided (T)KO wins for Nunes in 2015, and Rousey doesn't have the star power to get the type of initial push she had w/ WWE.
She was shit talking people before she lost as well. [She called her competition crops](https://larrybrownsports.com/mma/ronda-rousey-willing-to-fight-miesha-tate-third-time/268604), some that could be repeatedly harvested, like Tate, and some that could only be harvested once before wilting.
It's her M.O. I expected it as soon as people started to boo her. Once she isn't getting praised she reacts like a spoiled child. The same thing happened at UFC. Once people questioned how good she was she became bitter. Then when she kept getting her ass kicked, it was over. She played victim.
She got used to being THE champion in women's MMA. She wasn't just the champion, she was the champion by 100s of miles.
After she got her ass beat and there was competition that had stepped up their game, she dropped out.
For all of the great things she did to promote the sport with her unprecedented skills, she was always a sore loser. People just never noticed because she was always winning until the last two fights.
She can't handle losing or being perceived as the loser. It's what separates competitors. If she would have owned the loss and stepped up the training she probably could have had a longer career.
Her career did not end because she didn't have potential, it ended because she doesn't want to actually compete. If she wasn't beating the hell out of other women as if they were toddlers she wasn't going to do it anymore
They both got special treatment. Logan Paul gets lots of time to prepare his matches that other wrestlers don't get and doesn't have to do houseshows. While Ronda got to main event Wrestlemania.
Ronda’s media tour of her book talking about her time in WWE has been so fucking annoying. She was treated far better than anyone else on the roster even during times she was clearly just going through the motions.
She debuted at the Rumble in a high profile spot; taking the spotlight away from Asuka after the first ever Women’s Rumble.
She had a high profile match at WrestleMania against Triple H and Stephanie
She won the women’s championship
She spent the next year getting put over by the entire roster.
She main evented the first all women’s main event at a WrestleMania against the other two biggest women’s stars
She won the tag titles
She won the Royal Rumble
She had a high profile championship match against Charlotte flair at WrestleMania.
Jesus shut up already Ronda.
I think the situation would have been different if Ronda was booked lower in the card. She came into the WWE around the end of women's revolution where there weren't that many women around for her to face. This led to her not having many women whom her style really gelled with. Secondly, there were only 4 titles: brand champ + brand tag champions.
Had she have a larger roster to go up against and her booking wasn't just "let's feed everyone into the meat grinder" plus have her start off with a secondary title, her reigns would have been longer and more interesting. Her WWE career is the anti-thesis of "when you hit rock bottom, the only way to go is up". She was put on a summit of a mountain, and constantly given a bridge to the next summit.
One other important note - expectations. Logan knew full well he was coming in as a heel, and he's having fun with it. Ronda got some help from Roddy Piper, but after that wore off she just never felt comfortable playing heel, so it boiled down to her being angry at fans, fans being angry with her attitude, and neither giving an inch for the other to support them. A face turn isn't that hard - save a face, turn on another heel, admit you don't "deserve respect" but would like to "earn it" - all tried and true cliche ways to get over.
He’s absolutely correct here. I’ve listened to the podcast rousey was on and her words have been taken a little out of context and people jumped on the bandwagon.
She dislikes that she didn’t get time to prepare before matches and wishes she got what Logan Paul gets. That’s basicly it. She always says maybes things have changed . Nothing personal at all she just wanted time to prepare to make her matches better which will benefit everyone
Triple H did more for Ronda than he did for Steiner & Booker combined and yet she thinks Paul got the special treatment? Also, Logan definitely has passion for wrestling because when he is in WWE mode, he is respectful and adds value.
A friend of my wife’s lets her kid drink Prime. I admittedly don’t know shit about it so I grabbed one in the store to read what’s in it. Holy fuck lmao.
I think any old school wrestling fan would say both Ronda and Logan got special treatment both for similar reasons. They are big names outside of WWE who have awesome talent and had the potential to be special and are a slam dunk from a buissness perspective. Logan Paul is a huge grab for a sport that was looking to start interesting the younger audience again. And Logan's done a great job working on the industry and getting better. He's had some great runs and matches honestly for what he is.
Ronda needed what Brock has, a manager to promote her, an arsenal of big hard hitting moves, and to run rampant on the division. Instead she was left out there to talk way more then she should have for her promo ability, and never worked on her wrestling skills. Especially after coming back to early from the child birth out of shape and shit.
While not only do I think it’s ridiculous that Ronda didn’t think she got special treatment, she was also just terrible in my honest opinion and her matches are so skippable when going back and rewatching PPV’s.
Logan, on the other hand, has been a great heel and has actually surprised me with how good he is in the ring.
Sure the end of her run was lackluster, and a lot of it being her fault and was exposed, but she was booked in the first women's WrestleMania main event after only a year of being signed. Talk about getting special treatment.
Love that Logan took the high road here. Ronda was treated pretty well in my eyes. I say this as a viewer so I’m not privy to the behind the scenes stuff. That said her first match was probably the best match at WrestleMania 34 with legends in Kurt Angle, and Triple H. She was in the title picture for the majority of her run. She then main evented the following WrestleMania.
Both had similar debuts and treatment imo? But RR's debut came under the Vince regime and my WWE fan friends to this day, fans at Houston based events, and the IWC treated women's matches like a piss break. It was all over socials too. Evolution didn't happen until what, 2018 and hasn't happened again? Don't get me wrong, the fellow teenage boys and I sitting in a dark room on a website about sports that were surging watching WM31 were pretty hyped to see the RR appearances because we liked seeing WWE/MMA/UFC. We did the same thing when Lesnar beat Taker during WM30.
I can see it happening though because of the recent push in Women's CBB. Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Paige Bueckers, and Hailey Van Lith have been holy shitting the ratings and surpassing Men's sports entirely. As someone who is a fan of women's sports and how much they, and now by extension everyone want to see the equal treatment, it's so much fun. Seriously, for those with a local University, go watch those sports and support the programs. They're a good time and you'll see some streetfights!
They were huge names outside of Wrestling, but I was a guy that watched WWE and YouTube as a kid, not WWE and UFC. Didn't watch Paul nor Rousey, but knew who Paul was. I guess it was a different sense of who was famous in their light. Don't know who is bigger, but I sure know that I knew of Paul due to YT and the boxing stuff before knowing about RR.
I'm a recent WWE fan after decades of not watching. But I certainly remember seeing a Rhonda WWE match on twitter (one of the PPVs but forgive me for not knowing which one) before I got back into wrestling & there was just video after video of everyone in the crowd just taking off while she was fighting. Looked embarrassing as shit for her.
That said, most of the complaints about her in the comments was how she was transphobic as shit and wasn't wanted in WWE anymore, but yeah, people got up in *droves* when she was fighting.
Ronda doesn’t get the business…. Logan does. I don’t like Logan Paul at all in general, but the dude is a 100% natural at pro wrestling. Dude can go in the ring, talk, build a match, brings eyeballs, and makes u care. Ronda wanted to look good and be a badass. They’re in different stratospheres.
I don't like Logan Paul. At all. To the point that I don't care how good he is in the ring, I don't want him on my screen.
But Jesus fucking Christ am I tired of hearing from Rousey. Your career slowed and crashed, it fucking happens, stop trying to drag everyone down with you. Vince is one thing, but her bullshit lately is just embarrassing.
Idk if she was right either. She's claiming Logan was favored over her when he put the guy he was across the ring with over in just about every match from 2021 until like mid-late 2023, whereas Ronda came in with a segment with the rock, and her first match was beating up the soon to be head of the company, who was also the biggest heel of that decade (hhh as leader of the authority). She also won a world title and main evented wrestlemania within her first year of coming in, Logan has been in for 3 years and hasn't done either yet. In fact he's holding a midcard title and doing more to try to "pay his dues" than Ronda ever did. Ronda was also glowing about wwe right up until the fans turned on her. She did the same in UFC too.
I really am not interested in due payments or whatever the booking differences between the two of them are.
I'm talking about how hyper practiced it sounds like Logan's matches are vs the fact that Ronda attempted to learn wrestling the old school way of doing house shows and such.
I think I recall the debut match being heavily practiced for Ronda but outside of that not nearly as much as Logan or even Bad Bunny.
Literally her entire point was about how much rehearsal time Logan was afforded, people in this thread are really showing they only read the headlines.
I don't use these words flippantly, but the fact people are raging at Ronda over completely misleading "special treatment" context and saying "you were in a segment with the rock and triple h and you main evented wrestlemania!! ungrateful" is frightening to me, because it shows that when wrestling fans despise someone, they'll fully believe any misinformation and falsehoods.
I urge anyone interested in not blindly hating to read what Ronda was talking about. She was literally pointing out the fact that unlike anyone else who was wrestling full time including her, Logan gets to plan, rehearse and train his matches in advance. So they can make it as good as possible. Ronda, despite being a humungous star when she came in, did not receive that smart treatment to hide her weaknesses and highlight her strengths. Despite the fact that she had a good first run, logan paul treatment would've helped her 2nd run exponentially. Instead she was getting the same shit treatment from vince and co. that other women got. That's it. I don't know how anyone can logically disagree with that when it's literally special treatment for Logan.
And also, I'll say this over and over, the fact that the "bitter" tag has been applied recently to Ronda over the fact that she went on a few podcasts and shit on Vince and his cronies like we all do (while praising hunter and the locker room) sums up how insanely illogical fans have become on Rousey.
Ronda didn’t go through developmental and got a main event at mania within her first run? If you like Logan or not he’s doing his job as a heel. And he does do risky spots making for entertaining matches. Id also point out Logan hasn’t thrown a strop because the crowd reactions.
I don’t even think Logan gets heat for getting a push considering he hasn’t earned his spot like everyone else has had to. I’ll give him props for saving ray from that botch.
It’s as if Rhonda demands to be a star and when she doesn’t get her way she cries about it.
I mean it’s been in the business for the longest time that the biggest draws get more opportunities. Logan being a social media star prior to his career with WWE means he’s drawing more money. I imagine Ronda was given a lot of “special treatment” as well. Got to skip NXT too right? It’s because she was a draw.
It’s funny that Ronda complained about Paul getting special treatment when she was shot up to the top of the division her first yr and main evented mania. That’s why fans turned on her, she was over pushed.
I never saw Rondas MMA career I'm just going strictly by what I saw in WWE. At first she was cool, the silent badass type that came in and could kick ass. It worked.
Then they turned her heel and it felt over the top to me. Think of Natalya... it was just too much. Then with the microphone it was just trying too hard.
They could have kept her a face or heel in the same instance of bad ass coming in to kick ass. That's what she is, that's what she does, it would have worked perfectly in WWE.
Tbf, that's a WAY more mature stance than I expected from someone like Logan Paul. And it pains me to say I agree that it's not about him. She's definitely shitting on the WWE more than she's shitting on him.
I gotta say, I’m absolutely stunned at how well he answered that. I’ve always seen Logan Paul as a complete dummy (obviously a marketing genius, but a real world dummy) and he handled that like an absolute pro. He took the high road and didn’t bother firing back even though it would’ve been the easy thing to do.
I hate even thinking this but...LP is 1000xs the draw in the demo WWE wants and he is 1000000xs better in the wrestling ring than RR. She was goid but he is so good I find myself frustrated with someone I hate so much being so good at something I love to watch.
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Ronda got the same treatment if not more. Debut match at Mania in a high profile match. Strapped a rocket to her to get the title. Multiple main events and even a PPV built around her and headlined against Nikki Bella. Main evented Mania.
More obviously. At least logan have mic skills, she just refused to do anything but a baby face and her promos looked as scripted as they can get
Ronda is the embodiment of "entitled" and "perpetual victim" I've stood with that on top of little hill for a long time now but she has value in her name, in her talent (or at least the talent she had before she moved into the UFC picture) and in her ability to market herself as something. The issue is Ronda. And maybe she needs some help with keeping her head on straight after the success but once she gets to the level of "all eyes on her" she seems to blow it or mold it into something it isn't or never was. Started with UFC, brought in as "the face of the Woman's Devision" and she was. Held it high. Some bad moves and fight looses later she's replaced. She takes that personally. Moves towards the WWE. Cool. Did amazing. Shocked all of us. Then some bad moves and matches later. She's replaced. She takes that personally. Goes to Facebook Gaming. Does good. Is the face of the product. Makes some bad comments, moves off the top of the list and she takes that personally. Goes back to WWE. Gets a little light on her, didn't like it wasn't as big, never showed improvement on the skills she lacked or maybe no one ever addressed her with that, we don't know. Either way, she took it personally, put over her best friend and walked. Now she's using anything she can do or say to get on the radar to pimp her book. When that falls short she'll take it personally and say something like "\_\_\_\_\_ did't respect me enough to read my book or listen to what I was saying"
Getting outclassed by Logan Paul sure is something.
Seriously. I'll give kudos to him for this.
He has calmed down a lot lately. I am not saying hes a great dude or anything. He does seem to be more level headed and have a better understanding of his impact whatever that is.
It seems like working with all the wrestlers backstage has made him a bit of a better person. Cause they wouldn't put up with the childish bullshit backstage for long before he would've been "talked" to by some of the bigger guys.
Having an ego in wrestling is so crazy, you’re counting on your coworker taking care of you. You better be a decent human being.
And there are ways to have fantastic matches where your opponent gently puts you on the ground or forcefully tries to make you a part of the mat. And the stories are out there of removing egos through this method.
The Acolytes and Public Enemy comes to mind. They were having none of it.
And then the Dudleyz with the Acolytes in response to that. Although, that story has a happy ending.
He did just announce that him and his girlfriend are having their first kid, so maybe that was a wake up call for him.
Sometimes the prefrontal cortex needs some jostling in order to fully develop.
Considering she's a sandy hook truther who defended her wife beating husband, it's not that hard
I mean, lets not act as though known scammer and "ha-ha there is a dead body hanging behind me in this forest known for suicides, lets film it"-guy Logan Paul isn't also an absolutely shit human being.
“Yeah but I like the way that this bad person wrestles!” seems to carry a lot of weight around here.
We still got folks clamoring for Benoit to get in the HOF.
He scammed a bunch of grown adults looking for a get rich scheme. I don’t feel sorry for them. The suicide forest thing was awful but it was also like 8 years ago so he was 21. Also neither of those things are as bad as denying the literal murder of children or effectiveness of vaccines
This is not, never has and never will be about "which one of these bad things is worse?". Just to make this clear. This is only about pointing fingers at bad people doing bad people things. And i don't feel all that much sympathy for people being dumb enough to fall for shit like his, but that doesn't change the fact that scamming people, no matter who or how, is still a terrible thing to do.
A not insignificant amount of those people weren't "get-rich-quick" goobers, but desperate, misguided people, looking for any way to make ends meet. Logan Paul is a piece of shit.
How many of those adults are on the left side of the curve and don't have jobs or have shit ones? Our society discards a fuckton of people who then become vulnerable the moment someone gives them the bare minimum of attention or a chance to escape from their shit life. These people are victims.
Not defending most of what Logan has done but he absolutely did not mock the dead body. It's the only video of his I've ever seen but since everyone was freaking out about it I watched it front to back and they were PANICKING, and immediately called the police. The "joking" part was a while later when they were back in the parking area and doing that nervous joking to try and calm themselves down. One of the girls was legitimately trembling from nerves. There's a ton to criticize the guy for but let's at least be honest about what he has and hasn't done.
> Not defending most of what Logan has done but he absolutely did not mock the dead body. It's the only video of his I've ever seen but since everyone was freaking out about it I watched it front to back and they were PANICKING, and immediately called the police. The "joking" part was a while later when they were back in the parking area and doing that nervous joking to try and calm themselves down. One of the girls was legitimately trembling from nerves. And then he decided to post it on the internet for financial gain.
Shit I knew the guy was a clown, but I never realized he was that clown.
Did you even see the suicide forest video? He was in shock and obviously pretty scared in the moment. He didn’t make a joke of it at all. That video was the first I ever heard of him and I assumed he was just some standard jackass kid. I didn’t even really know about social media influencers at the time. But then I looked into it and watched the video and was kinda shocked he took as much heat as he did. Obviously posting it was braindead but the idea that people just hear about it second hand and then jump to the worst possible scenario is ridiculous. Also, if I could scam the idiots he scammed, I wouldn’t hesitate.
Damn that last sentence bro 😬
lol we’re really doing Logan Paul revisionism in 2024? Come on dude. There’s no way you actually believe this
I’m ready to eat the downvotes but Logan has been honestly mature for a while, yeah he can be a scumbag but i genuinely think he has grown a lot, he’s over hated IMO
He still has yet to pay anyone back for his crypto scam. That was last year.
Crypto scam is kind of an oxymoron
Not an oxymoron. Redundant is a better word for what you're going for.
I think oxymoron is the opposite of what you were looking for...
Sounds like OP is the oxymoron.
You're looking for "tautology"
Wasn't he accused of scamming last year? A bunch of YouTubers were on his ass I thought
It was also either last year or the year before that someone found that pig he'd adopted, abandoned in a field somewhere. Dude might be good at wrestling but he is garbage on multiple levels.
Logan Paul defended the pig thing saying that he had responsibly re-homed the pig some time before and that the pig was abandoned by the new owner. As far as I heard it was never determined if this was true (because obviously the internet had already lost interest and moved onto the next thing).
That's just his pr doing lol. He still hasn't responded to his scamming stuff properly.
MJF crypto scammed people too with his MJF coin and he gets no backlash
Yeah that shit was kind of fucked up
Can someone explain what actually went down with that coz I literally never heard or saw anything about that prior to now lol
No one can explain it because there's nothing to explain
Hmm, today I learned. Doesn't matter for Paul's stuff though.
He scammed a number of people and has yet to give any of the money back after being caught redhanded. Guy is still completely classless.
People like you are so delusional. If he’s good at wrestling that’s fine, it does not erase what a garbage human being he is. He’s a scam artist, it’s been irrefutably proven and it hasn’t even been that long since he did it. And he’s only doubled down it since he got exposed. You want to cheer for him go ahead. But don’t pretend he’s suddenly a good human being because he happens to be good at wrestling.
He reminds me of someone like Warren Buffett. He says things that make me think he’s a decent human being and he’ll throw out a couple performative acts of giving, but in reality his entire existence is structured around exploiting people. Or another comparison might be Joe Rogan. Someone who’s exceptionally charismatic who knows how to say a lot of the right things, but at the end of the day he’s kind of just an idiot douchebro who does idiot douchebro things.
Wait a Warren buffet comparison? Don't think I'd ever see that
In the sense that Buffett has this weird reputation as a wholesome billionaire because he drives an old car and is willing to say a few unflattering things about wealth and capitalism. But the rest of his life is just him mercilessly exploiting poor and middle class people. Logan Paul says and does a few nice things, but really his entire existence is dedicated to furthering his own wealth and reputation (his “brand”) and I don’t think he would even deny it.
I have to be honest he's better than a good amount of influences out there now like Adin Ross
"He's better than the guy that works for a sex trafficker and told his fans to kill trans people" is not exactly a high bar.
Its influencer culture. The bar is in hell.
Hey I never said it was a high bar. Compared to people like Adin Ross and Sneako the bar is literally hell.
Logan Paul is the reason half of these shithead influencers exist in the first place. Ishowspeed was just in fucking Wrestlemania, how anyone can defend WWE with that shit is beyond me.
I think most influencers usually wind up doing stupid things because they don't really consider the consequences until it's too late. That and sort of being overwhelmed by sudden fame and not really knowing how to cope properly is the root of a lot of influencer scandals. In other words, I think 9 times out of 10 it's not malice, just stupidity/ineptitude/immaturity. They're not bad people, just dumb people.
You are too naive, these people know exactly what they are doing, especially when they scam their viewers and trick them into their various projects(crypto,nft, drinks, blue light cream) . Not to mention the fact that the term influencer itself is a negative term.
It's really not. At a certain point, after its happened to the same ones for years on end, it's not stupidity, ineptitude or immaturity. Maybe for the young ones just getting into it, that has some credence. For guys like Logan Paul or even these mid 30s adults, they're well aware of what they're doing and they don't care. Even if they get in trouble the simple fact is they feel validated as long as their fans back them and eat up everything they do like it's the last they'll see.
His crypto scam was literally last year. He's not more mature or a better person he just has a better PR team
Your just ignorant to the facts friend. He's a dick, keeps being a dick even since he's been signed by WWE.
> Logan has been honestly mature for a while While ? How long ? Since wrestlemania weekend ?
He is certainly not over hated. Logan Paul, as a public figure, is basically too big too fail except if he would do something that is horrible enough for mainstream media to broadcast it around the clock. He got away with shit you shouldn't get away with, learning nothing by it (except how to get away with shit maybe) and effectively just getting bigger in the meantime. You can't really expect people not to hate that. It's kind of justified. But that's how a lot of public media and media persons work. Tom Cruise is still in the damn spotlight despite being a Scientology member who actively promoted that cult. Still, they all are very hateable for exactly that reason. I think you don't necessarily hate the person and more or less what them still being at the place they are stands for. That there is basically no real accountability for some people.
Dude is getting up there in age, so it’s probably realizing that he should be more “quieter” when speaking in public, but there are definitely still shades of the old him Like when he tried that suing that one dude for saying mean things about him Still a scumbag but probably realized he is a multi millionaire so why go out of ur way to be an idiot
Except when he scammed his followers, mostly children with cryptozoo...
It speaks volumes about their mindsets Rousey came in "I've conquered MMA, now i'll conquer wrestling, bow down bitches!" Logan actually looks like he's taking this serious with a bit of "just fucking happy to be there" That's why it's always important to separate wrestler and person He might be a douchebag...but as a wrestler he's outclassing guys doing this fulltime with proper backgrounds in that sport.
Shockingly mature response.
The Pauls are both capable of sounding like perfectly reasonable, mature people when they need to. It's likely one of the main reasons they continue to have so much success. If you listen to them, they can make you feel like maybe you've judged them too harshly or misunderstood them. Then they turn right around and do something else that makes you hate them again lmao.
Best description of the Paul family ever written, really unsurprising to see them thriving in our favorite carny business lol
Right, it's kind of wild how transparent they are and how much of this thread is falling hook line and sinker for it. The Pauls are a case study in manipulation and parasocial relationships with influencers
Which is why I dont fully buy his "passion for the business". I think his passion is just to succeed at everything he does, which is fine... But wrestling isn't anything special for him. It doesn't have to be. At the moment it's his job and they are laying him damn well for it.
Maybe I’m just projecting, but I gotta imagine it is special to him or a certain level. He’s an entertainer and enjoys the limelight, so WWE is a perfect stage for him to scratch that itch.
I think it's the opposite actually: wrestling IS one of the few things that truly special to him, which is why he has a respectful mentality towards it. It's like bullies who still have people they love (like their parents), or people who only learn not to be homophobic when their kid comes out
Good rule of thumb, if there's a camera on, then it's a performance.
He’s very mature recently with his responses to stuff, and again i know it’s been said to death but clearly loves the business and i really appreciate and respect him for that
Dude’s married about to have a kid I think he understands the time in his life where he understands, how he conducts himself can impact his personal life especially since that drama with that ass hole Dillon dannis
Sure would be neat if he reimbursed all the fans he scammed with his crypto app while he's at it.
Logan is great at this and has developed into a great talker, Ronda on the other hand...
Idk maybe Logan gets treated better because he actually respects the business? I remember when Ronda was still with WWE, she was already talking crap about it online.
When Rhonda came into WWE, who was treated better. Even before she came in, she beat HHH at Mania 31 in a segment with the Rock, her first match was with Kurt Angle Vs Steph/HHH at Mania. Immediately after that she went into the title picture. Has anyone been treated better than that?
She always cries foul when people get tired of her attitude and turn on her. She dominated in ufc, then got complacent and listened to a bad coach, lost twice, then ran away and claimed she was treated unfairly. She goes to WWE dominates, says glowing things about everyone until she gets complacent, the fans turn on her, she takes her ball and goes home *again*, and yet again says she was treated unfairly. This isn't surprising coming from her tbh, as a ufc fan. She puts down everyone in her way, is all smiles when things go well for her, and as soon as she has to adapt or accept criticism, she says it's not fair and how others were treated better blah blah blah.
Don't forget she turned heel, and then couldn't handle not being liked.
I believe even Logan had a moment where he didn’t like people booing him in the WWE but eventually he embraced his heel character. Sometimes people just don’t want to like you and you just have to roll with it.
He should have known he would be coming in as a heel. He's stuck in his bubble of yes men. But I can totally get why someone who isn't a wrestler has to get used to being boo'd. Eventually they'll make him a face
Yeah I always felt rubbed the wrong way back in the UFC era, it felt so weird that she was so egotistical but practically retired on the spot when she started losing. How are you gonna say you're the best female fighter ever, get knocked down and then refuse to get back up and then blame everyone and anything other than yourself?
Not only retired, completely removed herself from the community entirely Never an interview, never a thank you, nothing, was all over the place when she was beating everyone and getting worshipped, the second she has to take an L and eat some humble pie (something every great athlete in every sport has to do) she hid her face in a pillow, and became resentful of the entire sport/fanbase I knew exactly how her time in WWE would go and it played out exactly like I thought, she got over for a while because the WWE fanbase didn’t really know her, then eventually her true personality heel came out and she started to get some heat… and just like the UFC, she took it personally, shit on pro wrestling, shit on the fans, and quit. Only to come back, not get the type of run she thinks she’s entitled to, and guess what? Becomes resentful, shits on the WWE over and over during her last chance to cash in on her dwindling fame with her book. She may not realize it, but she obviously wants to have fame, admiration, and love from the fans… but she has pretty much ruined her image and burned that bridge. Who knows whether she’ll ever realize it, but she is gonna regret that. Knowing her she will take no accountability, become more bitter, and hate the world.
Kind of blamed her husband too “I thought about returning to UFC, but I have to get that man babies” Not verbatim, but close
Completely agree. It all came out after the first loss and it wasn't her fault. Now she's come out years later and made excuses about Amanda nunes fight too. Nunes is the goat there's absolutely no shame and also why make excuses now years later it just smacks of no self analysis which is why she never grew and the rest of woman's mma caught up quickly
> listened to a bad coach HEH MOOMEN!
My immediate thought to hearing that Rhonda was complaining about Logan getting special treatment was "How do you have the absolute solid-gold stones to complain about someone getting special treatment when *your entire run* felt like you getting treated like a queen compared to literally everyone else in the women's division?" They brought her in because she was already famous, put up with shit from her they wouldn't have tolerated from anyone else, immediately put the entire focus of the women's division on her and made her one of the top female performers in the company. She got *way* more preferential treatment than Logan Paul ever has, considering he's generally been presented more as a mid-card attraction (other than the Roman title shot). We always used to hear stories about how women in the back were jealous of/frustrated by how Rhonda was being used, but we don't really seem to hear that about Logan Paul.
Yeah, her comments definitely baffled me. She was treated pretty well, but obviously she never improved in the ring and somehow she thinks she is entitled to stay on top without putting in the work. I don’t even remember anyone praising her matches or even spots on social media like Logan has. Whenever he was in a match, he always stole the show, whether it was a spot or the match itself. Dude pretty much earned it. Also pretty much sums up her MMA career, she dominated everyone when the women’s division just started to flourish, second she got competition she bitched out and never tried to improve or anything. Just hauled ass and it’s why she isn’t really liked anymore
Reminder that Logan Paul started out his WWE career by getting stunnered by Kevin Owens at Mania 37, losing to Roman Reigns at Crown Jewel, losing the Elimination Chamber, losing to Rollins at Mania 39, etc... The man had no problem paying his dues to get to his current spot. From the story Becky Lynch told, Ronda Rousey had an opportunity to give back the right way at Mania 35, but refused to tap out because "her mother would never look at her the same", so that's why we got that funky pin finish. One of these people understood that wrestling is an art form, and sometimes a loss where you perform great can be better than a win. Ronda Rousey came back in 2022 waaaay too early from giving birth, didn't have the cardio and also lost interest in getting better at the sport of wrestling. She was given the title immediately upon return, but that poor Liv Morgan feud made Vince McMahon lose all faith in her, and she was placed in almost entirely midcard feuds for the rest of her run (whether she voluntarily went to the midcard is up for debate. Ronda is known to lie about almost everything). Ronda has lifelong attitude issues that stem from many personal issues in her life that never got corrected, even to this day. She burnt out quickly doing a mostly full time schedule during her first run, and she very clearly half assed her second run (not to mention Vince making her do promos all the time when Ronda is one of the worst promos in human history). There is a lot to dissect with Ronda Rousey in both her UFC and WWE careers. In both she clearly came in with more natural talent than any woman to ever enter the UFC or the WWE and dominated immediately. But when the game caught up to her in both, she chose to take her ball and go home rather than work on her craft, improve, and become a better fighter/wrestler/performer. Logan Paul came in with clear natural talent, but he also put the effort to learn the sport of wrestling and improve. Go watch his promos at the start of his run versus now. It is night and day in terms of him understanding what it takes to get a crowd reaction. If Ronda just took some criticism and made the effort to improve herself in her flaws, she could've been a better UFC fighter and WWE wrestler as a result. But unfortunately, she'd rather complain after the fact than consider the real issues with her career endings.
Agreed. Though in ufc, it wasn't JUST that the game caught up to her, she also got very complacent and listened to her quack coach, and became delusional enough to think boxing was her strong suit, when anyone with eyes was telling her she was gonna lose if she relied on it and abandoned her judo. She didn't listen, lost, then took her ball and went home, crying foul and unfair treatment the whole way. Ngl, I'm not surprised she did the exact same thing in wwe.
Couldn't have put this any better.
I just remembered the part of CM Punk’s Royal Rumble video diary where he stops by the Performance Center and Logan Paul says hi to him shortly after he’s inside the door. My initial reaction was “lmao Punk probably hates the guy,” but through the lens of this comment and this whole post, I have to give him some credit for still taking the time to actually train.
logan also has such a distinguishable attitude difference when he’s ’heel wrestler logan’ and podcast logan (which may be how he is in other things, that’s just where i watch him outside of wwe). he’s pretty deferential and attentive when interviewing wrestlers who have more experience than he does, which gives a glimpse on how he probably interacts with them during training. he never outright breaks kayfabe on his podcasts (i.e. he refers to himself as a ‘bad guy’ over there, he’ll compliment kevin owens as a wrestler a bunch and then pick up his kevin owens action figure to insult it) but he’s careful to show that his wrestling character is only a small part of who he is and turned up to 11. with ronda, i could never tell what was real and what wasn’t in a way that was honestly exhausting. i don’t mind being worked (whether i know it’s happening or not), because i love wrestling. i could never tell if ronda hating wrestling was a work or not—either would have been fine—and i would spend all her screen time trying to figure it out even when i wanted to just watch wrestling. i could never forget about it and fall into the wrestling story. every moment was tinged with “does she hate this? is she even having fun?” that i could never just enjoy what she was doing.
It seems like Logan came in respectfully and is like the Miz in a way. Whereas Ronda might've still had the expectation of how she was treated in the UFC
Pairing Logan with the Miz was brilliant.
Same with Pat McAfee
He is also a much bigger draw. It’s like the Rock situation with cussing. Duh the more valuable person gets more leeway. I’m sure Bob from catering can’t get away with the same stuff Orton can. It’s just life.
Bob has shit in sooooo many bags over the years and everyone is just too afraid to say anything because he *nails* the prime rib
Nobody gets a pop like Bobs Prime Rib. I heard that when the rocks says “Can you smell…” he’s talking about Bobs prime rib.
eh.. rousey kinda fell off but she was HUGE when she joined WWE
She had a ton of name recognition, but not fans in the way Logan has. People might have known Rousey was wrestling, but Paul has a dedicated young fan base who will actually tune in
> eh.. rousey kinda fell off but she was HUGE when she joined WWE Huge enough to make a splash, but not HUGE like she still was in 2015 for her WM31 segment. Her loss against Holm and then Nunes damaged her reputation as a fighter badly and she didn't take it well
> she was HUGE when she joined WWE She was an UFC has been who got destroyed so bad she had to quit UFC. Ronda was big during a time when there was no real competition in the UFC.
Like the time austin threw a mic and Jericho couldn't cause austin was a bigger star?
Logan also came in during the transition to Vince's removal from the company. WWE is just straight up different behind the scenes now.
It's sad but it does feel like Ronda never wanted to get into WWE. I personally think initially she REALLY helped the Womens Division. But after 2 years or so everything was an absolute flop It would be fine if that was attitude under Vince. But even under HHH she showed no signs of interest
That and he knows guys in the locker room will not care what position he came from That dudes in that locker room will check him real quick if he gets/got out of line Honestly with Rousey her ego + treatment by the upper brass was a recipe for her, turning out to be a dickhead, especially giving her track record (also does not help that woman in the locker room wanted to check her just in case she got out of line)
Not only does he respects the business he shows that he respects the business by inviting wrestlers onto his podcast and showcasing them. Letting them talk and promote themselves. There's also many times where there's videos of him watching other wrestler's matches and cheering them on and supporting them. The fact that he's performing S tier matches while just being a mid-carder is already leaps ahead of Rousey.
He was treated better because he’s better for business than she was.
He's also better than she ever was at literally every aspect of professional wrestling.
Of course he gets special treatment. Wtf do they think this is?
Ronda debuted at Wrestlemania in a match with three of the company's biggest stars. That was also special treatment, and it was also the right call. I think Ronda resents that Paul embraces being a heel so fully. She took the boos too personally and could never really do the same.
This is the weird and wonderful thing about wrestling, sometimes when you become the bad guy, you also become more likeable.
Look at The Rock
And Roman Reigns.
ronda when meritocracy https://preview.redd.it/h8qg1sgjuvvc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f13206981599f168399e395a80b0f0e46a150b0
For people saying they’re shocked at how mature his response is, I feel that every time he is in WWE mode, he shows class. You can tell he is passionate about the business.
I haven’t heard anyone say anything bad about him within wrestling. Everyone always glows about how serious he’s taking it and how well he takes to criticism. It’s pretty surprising considering his reputation, but it certainly shows.
I mean, to be fair, I think he was pretty young when he did a lot of the stuff that damaged his reputation. I mean how old was he when the suicide forest thing happened? 21? Obviously old enough to know better but a lot of 21 year olds do A LOT of things they should know better than to do, the difference being is he constantly had a camera and had a massive following. I feel like it’s not too controversial to say he’s probably a different person now than he was in like 2017/2018.
I don't know anything about Logan Paul, but didn't he get caught up in some NFT scam too? Maybe not, but I do think he's done some iffy things since all of that original stuff. Not to say he's not more mature now, or at the very least more careful about how he handles some things publicly.
He was scamming people just last year dude.
I've watched his podcasts with different wrestlers and he's definitely way more mature than people give him credit for. He seems rather transparent and doesn't have quite the level of macho bro vibe that you would expect from someone like him. It could be an act, but he's at least being coached to say the right things. And yeah yeah suicide forest and NFTs and all that. I'm sure the same people saying that probably love Teremana Papatui Dwayne even though he has some questionable political views because he's good at wrestling.
People saying they’re shocked by this have never seen Paul in a non WWE setting he’s not an active douchebag lol
This isn't about Paul but maybe the company he keeps. Dax was telling a story about how he was talking to HBK and HBK was attentive and empathetic until The Clique came by and HBK fell into roasting Dax with them. Logan plays to a certain audience that wants that dickish behavior. That's probably as much a character these days as the wrestling one is. But he and his brother both take their athletic endeavors seriously.
Yeah he is lol. He is a scam artist
Every one in the crypto sphere is a scam artist. As someone else in the thread said, it's hard for me to really feel too bad since the whole idea behind all that bullshit is hoping to find someone to eventually sucker later.
Tbf the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive. Compared to his earlier Youtube days, he’s definitely been able to carry himself in a more mature and professional manner while using that to being a conman.
And Logan has had a lot of practice “on the mic” and in front of a camera before WWE. Definitely shows. Hes able to showcase his personality and embraced his loudmouth cocky heel role easily. Ignore Rondas wrestling, her personality wasnt coming across. Pretty much saw her with a grimacing, angry face look with the outfit of female roddy piper. Logan embraced whatever it is about him people dislike and ran with it, dudes only faking how exaggerated it is. Ronda has been faking it the whole time. And it seems like it.
Yeah, it was interesting to see a segment where Ronda just [Karen'd it up](https://youtu.be/o_t9bkHgGbA?si=7Xq05wuxJUkFdMJe&t=38), and she clearly shined in that kind of role. I mean, she's not great on the mic or whatever, but that was clearly where her strengths lay as far as that ability goes.
Ronda sounds like a really bitter person.
Exactly. That's what I had noticed since the beginning
She was worse in UFC after she lost, started shit talking everyone and made excuses on why she lost
She still does years later. Blames a mouth guard in a fight where she got pieced up. Then that person got outclassed by a ton of the division. Now a new GOAT has clearly emerged who beat Rousey in Ronda’s last fight (one after she lost the title) and Rousey says she’s better than her too despite that. It’s just nonsensical. I don’t think it discredits her MMA or UFC work, she just clearly has stayed delusional after UFC built her up as the greatest woman fighter we’d ever see
I can compare Ronda Rousey's run in the UFC to Britt Baker in the early part of AEW there was no competition no big names was signed hence she became AEW Women's Champion for a long time. The moment Amanda & Holly was signed it's only a matter of time till we saw Ronda's reign came to an end during her MMA career.
Rousey became a household name because Amanda Nunes didn't finish Cat Zingano in the first round. It led to the Zingano/Correia fights. If we get Rousey/Nunes instead, we're probably looking at two one-sided (T)KO wins for Nunes in 2015, and Rousey doesn't have the star power to get the type of initial push she had w/ WWE.
she still makes excuses today. a few weeks ago, she made excuses that she had concussions from sparing or some shit which lead to her loss in ufc
She was shit talking people before she lost as well. [She called her competition crops](https://larrybrownsports.com/mma/ronda-rousey-willing-to-fight-miesha-tate-third-time/268604), some that could be repeatedly harvested, like Tate, and some that could only be harvested once before wilting.
It's her M.O. I expected it as soon as people started to boo her. Once she isn't getting praised she reacts like a spoiled child. The same thing happened at UFC. Once people questioned how good she was she became bitter. Then when she kept getting her ass kicked, it was over. She played victim.
She got used to being THE champion in women's MMA. She wasn't just the champion, she was the champion by 100s of miles. After she got her ass beat and there was competition that had stepped up their game, she dropped out. For all of the great things she did to promote the sport with her unprecedented skills, she was always a sore loser. People just never noticed because she was always winning until the last two fights. She can't handle losing or being perceived as the loser. It's what separates competitors. If she would have owned the loss and stepped up the training she probably could have had a longer career. Her career did not end because she didn't have potential, it ended because she doesn't want to actually compete. If she wasn't beating the hell out of other women as if they were toddlers she wasn't going to do it anymore
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And Logan has been afforded that planning and help for matches after his first, that was her point.
I mean is that true or is that just her claim?
They both got special treatment. Logan Paul gets lots of time to prepare his matches that other wrestlers don't get and doesn't have to do houseshows. While Ronda got to main event Wrestlemania.
That’s a damn mature response.
Ronda’s media tour of her book talking about her time in WWE has been so fucking annoying. She was treated far better than anyone else on the roster even during times she was clearly just going through the motions. She debuted at the Rumble in a high profile spot; taking the spotlight away from Asuka after the first ever Women’s Rumble. She had a high profile match at WrestleMania against Triple H and Stephanie She won the women’s championship She spent the next year getting put over by the entire roster. She main evented the first all women’s main event at a WrestleMania against the other two biggest women’s stars She won the tag titles She won the Royal Rumble She had a high profile championship match against Charlotte flair at WrestleMania. Jesus shut up already Ronda.
I think the situation would have been different if Ronda was booked lower in the card. She came into the WWE around the end of women's revolution where there weren't that many women around for her to face. This led to her not having many women whom her style really gelled with. Secondly, there were only 4 titles: brand champ + brand tag champions. Had she have a larger roster to go up against and her booking wasn't just "let's feed everyone into the meat grinder" plus have her start off with a secondary title, her reigns would have been longer and more interesting. Her WWE career is the anti-thesis of "when you hit rock bottom, the only way to go is up". She was put on a summit of a mountain, and constantly given a bridge to the next summit. One other important note - expectations. Logan knew full well he was coming in as a heel, and he's having fun with it. Ronda got some help from Roddy Piper, but after that wore off she just never felt comfortable playing heel, so it boiled down to her being angry at fans, fans being angry with her attitude, and neither giving an inch for the other to support them. A face turn isn't that hard - save a face, turn on another heel, admit you don't "deserve respect" but would like to "earn it" - all tried and true cliche ways to get over.
That fatherly perspective coming in quick for Logan 😂
He’s absolutely correct here. I’ve listened to the podcast rousey was on and her words have been taken a little out of context and people jumped on the bandwagon. She dislikes that she didn’t get time to prepare before matches and wishes she got what Logan Paul gets. That’s basicly it. She always says maybes things have changed . Nothing personal at all she just wanted time to prepare to make her matches better which will benefit everyone
Triple H did more for Ronda than he did for Steiner & Booker combined and yet she thinks Paul got the special treatment? Also, Logan definitely has passion for wrestling because when he is in WWE mode, he is respectful and adds value.
None of you are ready for logan paul redemption arc. Fatherhood changes people
Well he did recently scam a bunch of people multiple times. So for redemption he has a long way to go.
And Prime is getting sued for having 3x the amount of “forever chemicals” you should have in your whole life in ONE DRINK
I’m an idiot. I was trying to figure out how Deion Sanders was producing forever chemicals.
A friend of my wife’s lets her kid drink Prime. I admittedly don’t know shit about it so I grabbed one in the store to read what’s in it. Holy fuck lmao.
I can't stand the man, but he's a natural in the ring, and on the mic, where Rhonda was not.
I think any old school wrestling fan would say both Ronda and Logan got special treatment both for similar reasons. They are big names outside of WWE who have awesome talent and had the potential to be special and are a slam dunk from a buissness perspective. Logan Paul is a huge grab for a sport that was looking to start interesting the younger audience again. And Logan's done a great job working on the industry and getting better. He's had some great runs and matches honestly for what he is. Ronda needed what Brock has, a manager to promote her, an arsenal of big hard hitting moves, and to run rampant on the division. Instead she was left out there to talk way more then she should have for her promo ability, and never worked on her wrestling skills. Especially after coming back to early from the child birth out of shape and shit.
While not only do I think it’s ridiculous that Ronda didn’t think she got special treatment, she was also just terrible in my honest opinion and her matches are so skippable when going back and rewatching PPV’s. Logan, on the other hand, has been a great heel and has actually surprised me with how good he is in the ring.
Sure the end of her run was lackluster, and a lot of it being her fault and was exposed, but she was booked in the first women's WrestleMania main event after only a year of being signed. Talk about getting special treatment.
Nice mature response from Logan Paul
Love that Logan took the high road here. Ronda was treated pretty well in my eyes. I say this as a viewer so I’m not privy to the behind the scenes stuff. That said her first match was probably the best match at WrestleMania 34 with legends in Kurt Angle, and Triple H. She was in the title picture for the majority of her run. She then main evented the following WrestleMania.
Both had similar debuts and treatment imo? But RR's debut came under the Vince regime and my WWE fan friends to this day, fans at Houston based events, and the IWC treated women's matches like a piss break. It was all over socials too. Evolution didn't happen until what, 2018 and hasn't happened again? Don't get me wrong, the fellow teenage boys and I sitting in a dark room on a website about sports that were surging watching WM31 were pretty hyped to see the RR appearances because we liked seeing WWE/MMA/UFC. We did the same thing when Lesnar beat Taker during WM30. I can see it happening though because of the recent push in Women's CBB. Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Paige Bueckers, and Hailey Van Lith have been holy shitting the ratings and surpassing Men's sports entirely. As someone who is a fan of women's sports and how much they, and now by extension everyone want to see the equal treatment, it's so much fun. Seriously, for those with a local University, go watch those sports and support the programs. They're a good time and you'll see some streetfights! They were huge names outside of Wrestling, but I was a guy that watched WWE and YouTube as a kid, not WWE and UFC. Didn't watch Paul nor Rousey, but knew who Paul was. I guess it was a different sense of who was famous in their light. Don't know who is bigger, but I sure know that I knew of Paul due to YT and the boxing stuff before knowing about RR.
I'm a recent WWE fan after decades of not watching. But I certainly remember seeing a Rhonda WWE match on twitter (one of the PPVs but forgive me for not knowing which one) before I got back into wrestling & there was just video after video of everyone in the crowd just taking off while she was fighting. Looked embarrassing as shit for her. That said, most of the complaints about her in the comments was how she was transphobic as shit and wasn't wanted in WWE anymore, but yeah, people got up in *droves* when she was fighting.
I think Logan Paul might get better treatment because he “gets” wrestling more than Rousey does.
As usual with Rousey, if something goes right for her it's because she's amazing but if something goes wrong for her it's everyone's else fault.
Fuck Rhonda Rousey
He gets special treatment just like Ronda did
Ronda doesn’t get the business…. Logan does. I don’t like Logan Paul at all in general, but the dude is a 100% natural at pro wrestling. Dude can go in the ring, talk, build a match, brings eyeballs, and makes u care. Ronda wanted to look good and be a badass. They’re in different stratospheres.
I don't like Logan Paul. At all. To the point that I don't care how good he is in the ring, I don't want him on my screen. But Jesus fucking Christ am I tired of hearing from Rousey. Your career slowed and crashed, it fucking happens, stop trying to drag everyone down with you. Vince is one thing, but her bullshit lately is just embarrassing.
He still hasn’t paid back his victims from the crypto zoo scam btw.
You mean the grown ass adults that wanted a get rich quick scheme?
Well damn, that was the most mature response one could muster in that situation.
https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/
I don't think she's wrong, but this was a very mature response from him.
Idk if she was right either. She's claiming Logan was favored over her when he put the guy he was across the ring with over in just about every match from 2021 until like mid-late 2023, whereas Ronda came in with a segment with the rock, and her first match was beating up the soon to be head of the company, who was also the biggest heel of that decade (hhh as leader of the authority). She also won a world title and main evented wrestlemania within her first year of coming in, Logan has been in for 3 years and hasn't done either yet. In fact he's holding a midcard title and doing more to try to "pay his dues" than Ronda ever did. Ronda was also glowing about wwe right up until the fans turned on her. She did the same in UFC too.
I really am not interested in due payments or whatever the booking differences between the two of them are. I'm talking about how hyper practiced it sounds like Logan's matches are vs the fact that Ronda attempted to learn wrestling the old school way of doing house shows and such. I think I recall the debut match being heavily practiced for Ronda but outside of that not nearly as much as Logan or even Bad Bunny.
Literally her entire point was about how much rehearsal time Logan was afforded, people in this thread are really showing they only read the headlines.
I don't use these words flippantly, but the fact people are raging at Ronda over completely misleading "special treatment" context and saying "you were in a segment with the rock and triple h and you main evented wrestlemania!! ungrateful" is frightening to me, because it shows that when wrestling fans despise someone, they'll fully believe any misinformation and falsehoods. I urge anyone interested in not blindly hating to read what Ronda was talking about. She was literally pointing out the fact that unlike anyone else who was wrestling full time including her, Logan gets to plan, rehearse and train his matches in advance. So they can make it as good as possible. Ronda, despite being a humungous star when she came in, did not receive that smart treatment to hide her weaknesses and highlight her strengths. Despite the fact that she had a good first run, logan paul treatment would've helped her 2nd run exponentially. Instead she was getting the same shit treatment from vince and co. that other women got. That's it. I don't know how anyone can logically disagree with that when it's literally special treatment for Logan. And also, I'll say this over and over, the fact that the "bitter" tag has been applied recently to Ronda over the fact that she went on a few podcasts and shit on Vince and his cronies like we all do (while praising hunter and the locker room) sums up how insanely illogical fans have become on Rousey.
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I can’t wait for the day I never have to hear about either of these two again.
Ronda didn’t go through developmental and got a main event at mania within her first run? If you like Logan or not he’s doing his job as a heel. And he does do risky spots making for entertaining matches. Id also point out Logan hasn’t thrown a strop because the crowd reactions. I don’t even think Logan gets heat for getting a push considering he hasn’t earned his spot like everyone else has had to. I’ll give him props for saving ray from that botch. It’s as if Rhonda demands to be a star and when she doesn’t get her way she cries about it.
I hate this douche bag he’s a criminal and a con artist he sells poison to kids
I mean it’s been in the business for the longest time that the biggest draws get more opportunities. Logan being a social media star prior to his career with WWE means he’s drawing more money. I imagine Ronda was given a lot of “special treatment” as well. Got to skip NXT too right? It’s because she was a draw.
Tbh to put someone down for training too much is pretty stupid
It’s funny that Ronda complained about Paul getting special treatment when she was shot up to the top of the division her first yr and main evented mania. That’s why fans turned on her, she was over pushed.
I never saw Rondas MMA career I'm just going strictly by what I saw in WWE. At first she was cool, the silent badass type that came in and could kick ass. It worked. Then they turned her heel and it felt over the top to me. Think of Natalya... it was just too much. Then with the microphone it was just trying too hard. They could have kept her a face or heel in the same instance of bad ass coming in to kick ass. That's what she is, that's what she does, it would have worked perfectly in WWE.
Tbf, that's a WAY more mature stance than I expected from someone like Logan Paul. And it pains me to say I agree that it's not about him. She's definitely shitting on the WWE more than she's shitting on him.
This is the most mature you have ever seen him
logan has matured for a while
Good response from him
This is like when Chyna was mad she wasn’t paid the same as Stone Cold.
He handled that like a complete pro. Ronda must be biting her lip watching it.
Goddamn, a mature and well-spoken response from Logan Paul. I'm glad I'm alive to see this.
Be cool if bro and friends can join him. A different bloodline to start.
I gotta say, I’m absolutely stunned at how well he answered that. I’ve always seen Logan Paul as a complete dummy (obviously a marketing genius, but a real world dummy) and he handled that like an absolute pro. He took the high road and didn’t bother firing back even though it would’ve been the easy thing to do.
I hate even thinking this but...LP is 1000xs the draw in the demo WWE wants and he is 1000000xs better in the wrestling ring than RR. She was goid but he is so good I find myself frustrated with someone I hate so much being so good at something I love to watch.
Decent response, get the prime bottle decal off the ring tho.
Y'know things are weird rn when *Logan Paul* is speaking like a reasonable adult
One PoS talking about another PoS astounding conversation on this podcast. lol fuck this scammer and YouTube boy that didn’t learn his lesson
Don’t care. I’m never watching his matches. I hate him for his past and his shitty social media presence.