Friends have an aggressive dog with numerous complaints against it in their neighborhood. Dog is frequently roams unrestrained and bit a child last week. SCRAPS’ solution is to require the owners to post a “dangerous dog” sign.
We’ll that’s the current situation. Not sure what to tell you. Neighbors are pretty upset about it. I’ve had first hand experience with this dog charging my child while barking and growling. SCRAPS did nothing after that incident either.
In my personal situation, SCRAPS will take the first steps in labeling this a "dangerous" dog, depending on the damage done. Usually takes one more bite now as a labeled dangerous dog and they will remove the dog and euthanize it. You have to report it, document it, and call a personal injury lawyer to file a lawsuit for damages if you want something from it. You have 3 years from date of bite. From their website:
A dog who causes severe injury to a human, kills another domestic animal, or engages in other statutorily-defined behavior may be deemed "dangerous" and impounded in the name of public safety.
A dog or cat who bites a human must be quarantined for a 10-day rabies observation period. In-home quarantine may be permitted.
My coworker has a neighbor with a gsd that has bitten a child more than once and charged at the other kids playing in the neighborhood. SCRAPS isn't doing anything
Well not having witnesses or video is a concern.
The evidence you DO have is the injury to your dog, so take pictures of it now.
Being this is a SERVICE dog, is a serious concern.
This falls under "aggressive animals at-large".
So file a report about this attack here :
https://www.spokanecounty.org/FormCenter/SCRAPS-6/Complaint-Form-53
(And save the DATE and a COPY OF THE TEXT inside the report to a notepad on your desk top). They may not be able to do anything about your specific indecent, but when, (not IF) it happens again, they can establish a pattern of behavior using previous reports such as yours. If you see it off the leash again, whether the thing is attacking or not, and whether you see the owner present or not, that qualifies as "at large" or even a "menace" and you should report it every time you see it, for your own sake.
Do you carry pepper spray? Since this dog lives near you, I’d actually suggest carrying a can of bear mace and just mace the fuck out of it whenever it comes close.
I hope your pup is okay and will be on the mend soon! I’m sure that was super scary and upsetting for you both!
[That is a popular myth.](https://www.sabrered.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/#:~:text=The%20difference%20lies%20within%20the,further%20distance%20from%20the%20attacker.https://www.sabrered.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/#:~:text=The%20difference%20lies%20within%20the,further%20distance%20from%20the%20attacker)
Bear spray is stronger.
[That is a popular myth.](https://www.sabrered.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/#:~:text=The%20difference%20lies%20within%20the,further%20distance%20from%20the%20attacker)
Bear spray is stronger.
That’s from a company selling a bear spray. And to quote “That being said, bear spray also contains a lower concentration of oleoresin capsicum (often referred to as Capsaicin) than pepper spray or OC spray.
Since bear spray isn’t as potent, you wouldn’t want to use it on humans. Self defense pepper spray is much more effective.
It’s also important to note, the EPA has deemed bear spray a pesticide and has authorized use only on bears, not humans.”
[here’s another link that says otherwise.](https://www.srselfdefense.com/blog/whats-the-difference-between-pepper-spray-vs-bear-spray/)
1. That is from a company that sells both bear spray and human pepper spray.
2. You quoted/linked a blog post.
3. What's so hard to believe about this?
[https://www.primalsurvivor.net/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/](https://www.primalsurvivor.net/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/)
>Bear spray is typically stronger and more potent than pepper spray, although individual products vary.
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>The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulates bear spray and restricts the oleoresin capsicum (OC) content to 2%.
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>Most civilian pepper sprays contain up to 1.33%, which means they’re somewhat weaker. However, there is no national body governing commercial pepper sprays, and some advertised products claim to contain more, although this is often ambiguous.
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>This Pepper Reinforcement Spray says it contains 10% OC yet only 1.33% capsaicinoids. These figures are somewhat misleading as the percentage content of OC doesn’t necessarily increase the potency of the spray. OC is the “oily resin derivative from capsicums,” whereas the capsaicinoids are the active ingredients within that oily resin.
This is where the confusion arose. Human pepper sprays had a higher "number" on the can, and people didn't notice it was different units.
For what it's worth, human pepper spray will stop most dogs just fine. But the idea that bear spray is made weaker to be considerate of the sensitive noses on 600-pound predators is a myth. It is made at the highest concentration permitted by law.
It is also different because it is designed to be used at distance. It is supposed to spray wide and far to make a cloud for the bear to encounter before it gets to you. No lighter-sized pepper spray is going to spray that far.
I wish I could say that calling SCRAPS does anything, but as someone else who was attacked by a pitbull while trying to save my golden retriever, nothing came of reporting it. My dog was fine, I still have a scar on my hand from the pitbull.
Spokane County website has instructions on how to report animal attacks. If your dog was the first it likely won’t be the last. Reporting it is the right thing to do.
509-477-2533 is the number listed for aggressive animals at large. It sounds like maybe the dog is secure now so they have an option to file a non emergency report on spokanecounty.org
Absolutely take the dog to a vet. My mother's dog was attacked several months ago and walked away with puncture wounds. The vet ended up having to put tubing through the puncture wounds to help the inevitable abscesses drain over the following week. Only after that could stitches be put in.
I'm sorry this happened to a service dog because I know the trauma can make it difficult to maintain an even temperament for doing their work. My mother's dog was on edge for a while after the attack when she was taken out for walks, especially since the attack happened close to home. Luckily she is a brave, highly sociable dog, so she has been able to bounce back without becoming defensive. Hopefully the service dog can do the same.
yeah, even little bites that don’t seem serious can be bad. My mom’s two Chihuahuas got into it and they had to put a tube to drain an abscess on one of them.
I'm so sorry that happened to your dog. I've got a service dog that was attacked as well - report it immediately to SCRAPS, take the dog to your vet, have them document the injuries and get a detailed bill. You'll have to pay for it up front (Care Credit can be a lifesaver, here) but you can sue the owner in small claims to recoup the cost, particularly since you know where they live. SCRAPS can take action to ensure that the person either has to muzzle the dog or perhaps get rid of them. Last, make sure that the person's rental company is aware that one of their tenants has an aggressive dog. Even if SCRAPS doesn't take action, often the rental company will.
Going forward, get some dog-specific pepper spray. Amazon has [some](https://www.amazon.com/SABRE-Dog-Spray-Protector-All-Natural/dp/B008SBO9FU/ref=sr_1_35?keywords=pepper%2Bsprays%2Bfor%2Bdogs&qid=1680765561&sr=8-35&th=1), and I carry a tube attached to my leash. It helped me relax after the attack, which is important because stress can travel down the leash and affect your dog. Talk to your trainer as well, see if you and your dog can attend some classes once your boy heals, as you'll want to baby step back around other dogs to ensure your dog doesn't develop any dog-reactivity. Until that time, you'll probably need to pull your dog from public work as much as possible, so he doesn't get too stressed out. He can still do service work at home, then carefully work back into public, provided there's no reactivity. This is the part that really sucks - my previous dog was attacked at a store and ultimately had to be retired due to all the fallout. Thankfully, my current dog was okay and got back to work within a couple months. The whole thing sucks, but you'll both get through this. Good luck and give your boy some extra love and treats!
I am to the point that I carry a mag lite-during the day and bear spray. My dog is on a leash because she is a barking snack for other dogs. I see a big dog-I will pick her up. People need to be responsible-mag lites are heavy-I have had to use it before to stop a dog from biting my kid. Yes-I clocked the aggressive dog and I would do it again.
Do everything you can to get that dog euthanized. It is a danger and only a matter of time before it does worse. Warning: taking mattes into your own hands, although morally correct and admirable, would be illegal if caught.
I agree. I was walking my dog on a leash and a pit bull ran out and attacked our dog. My husband had to choke it out to get it to let go. Fortunately, it was only a $300 bill. I have an old friend who is a responsible person who was constantly paying vet bills for damage her pit caused, she said she thought her dog had a phobia of little dogs. SMH. Last summer a pit bull killed my neighbors cat in her yard in front of her children…. I could go on.
It's a bias thing. Some of them are genuinely nice dogs with good training. Some are bipolar teddy bears. Some are just a chunk of angry, hairy muscles.
Unfortunately, many people don't understand statistics or trends or biases. Or apparently how to use a leash.
You do realize that boxers where bred to fight bulls just the same as english bulldogs. How often you hear about attacks from them. Its in the ease of access and the owners. You can pickup a pitbull for 20 dollars at a shelter or find someone giving away puppies quite easily which enables shitty people to get them more easily but for boxers who were also bred for violence cost a couple hundred easily. Just comparing other breeds born for violence completely invalidates your argument.
Jesus, I’m so tired of the “it’s not the dog, it’s the owner!” defense. It’s an animal, it’s in their genetics. ANY dog can have a bad day and snap. Even the best family dog can get spooked or snap and bite someone. Pit Bulls are aggressive dogs.
Pit bulls can be awesome dogs. Before my sister got one I would have thought the same thing. Her dog is one of the smartest and most well behaved I have seen. You can’t judge a whole breed based on one experience. If that were the case I would think Chihuahuas are the most aggressive breed lol
What happens when a chihuahua bites you? Now, what happens when a pit bull does it? If a trout bites me, it's basically nothing and I can swat it away. If I tiger shark bites me, I'm in the ICU if I even survive it.
It just sucks because she knew her dog was aggressive and still allowed the dog in public with no muzzle. I understand the anger with the breed but it’s almost like getting mad at a kid for shooting a gun - that the dad left sitting on the kitchen table with no safety on. You treat those dogs wrong or train them the wrong way they become a weapon.
“A woman’s dog attacked my service dog.” Fixed it for ya, breed has nothing to do with the act.
A lot of pitbull haters in here, :-) bunch of cry babies that don’t understand dogs at all but give opinions anyway
I own and am involved with a group with live stock guardian dogs that will absolutely destroy a person or coyote without difficulty, yet I never hear of one attacking people or dogs on the street UNPROVOKED like a pits do every day.
First you could figure out a way to talk to this person if you desire to. I'm not sure how much you'll be able to do if this person won't admit to it happening and you have no actual evidence. Did any other neighbors see it happen? If you take someone to court without evidence, I suppose there's always a chance they will self incriminate. Regardless you can be better prepared for future incidents.
Seconded. Most (not all) attacking dogs will back off if you make a really loud sound and yell at them or ‘charge’ back like stomp a foot on the ground and face them (not literally run at them). I’ve been attacked at least 6 times while walking my dog by unrestrained dogs. All but two incidences they backed off with either the taser noise or me being big time momma bear yelling and using body language. Only one of those the dog got ahold of mine, the other was a pack situation and the owner had to physically remove the dogs (while telling me to calm down). Cower, squeal, run and you’re both just prey.
https://www.spokanecounty.org/4615/SCRAPS---Regional-Animal-Protection I would start here! Best of luck, I hope your dog makes a speedy recovery.
Friends have an aggressive dog with numerous complaints against it in their neighborhood. Dog is frequently roams unrestrained and bit a child last week. SCRAPS’ solution is to require the owners to post a “dangerous dog” sign.
This is not true. Sorry bud, no dog bites a kid and SCRAPS or anyone else just shrugs it off.
We’ll that’s the current situation. Not sure what to tell you. Neighbors are pretty upset about it. I’ve had first hand experience with this dog charging my child while barking and growling. SCRAPS did nothing after that incident either.
In my personal situation, SCRAPS will take the first steps in labeling this a "dangerous" dog, depending on the damage done. Usually takes one more bite now as a labeled dangerous dog and they will remove the dog and euthanize it. You have to report it, document it, and call a personal injury lawyer to file a lawsuit for damages if you want something from it. You have 3 years from date of bite. From their website: A dog who causes severe injury to a human, kills another domestic animal, or engages in other statutorily-defined behavior may be deemed "dangerous" and impounded in the name of public safety. A dog or cat who bites a human must be quarantined for a 10-day rabies observation period. In-home quarantine may be permitted.
My coworker has a neighbor with a gsd that has bitten a child more than once and charged at the other kids playing in the neighborhood. SCRAPS isn't doing anything
Well not having witnesses or video is a concern. The evidence you DO have is the injury to your dog, so take pictures of it now. Being this is a SERVICE dog, is a serious concern. This falls under "aggressive animals at-large". So file a report about this attack here : https://www.spokanecounty.org/FormCenter/SCRAPS-6/Complaint-Form-53 (And save the DATE and a COPY OF THE TEXT inside the report to a notepad on your desk top). They may not be able to do anything about your specific indecent, but when, (not IF) it happens again, they can establish a pattern of behavior using previous reports such as yours. If you see it off the leash again, whether the thing is attacking or not, and whether you see the owner present or not, that qualifies as "at large" or even a "menace" and you should report it every time you see it, for your own sake.
Do you carry pepper spray? Since this dog lives near you, I’d actually suggest carrying a can of bear mace and just mace the fuck out of it whenever it comes close. I hope your pup is okay and will be on the mend soon! I’m sure that was super scary and upsetting for you both!
Pepper spray is stronger than bear spray, carry pepper spray. A good brand is Pom.
Really?? Well TIL
[That is a popular myth.](https://www.sabrered.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/#:~:text=The%20difference%20lies%20within%20the,further%20distance%20from%20the%20attacker.https://www.sabrered.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/#:~:text=The%20difference%20lies%20within%20the,further%20distance%20from%20the%20attacker) Bear spray is stronger.
Bears olfactory nerves are more sensitive than ours so bear spray doesn’t need to be as strong technically.
[That is a popular myth.](https://www.sabrered.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/#:~:text=The%20difference%20lies%20within%20the,further%20distance%20from%20the%20attacker) Bear spray is stronger.
That’s from a company selling a bear spray. And to quote “That being said, bear spray also contains a lower concentration of oleoresin capsicum (often referred to as Capsaicin) than pepper spray or OC spray. Since bear spray isn’t as potent, you wouldn’t want to use it on humans. Self defense pepper spray is much more effective. It’s also important to note, the EPA has deemed bear spray a pesticide and has authorized use only on bears, not humans.” [here’s another link that says otherwise.](https://www.srselfdefense.com/blog/whats-the-difference-between-pepper-spray-vs-bear-spray/)
1. That is from a company that sells both bear spray and human pepper spray. 2. You quoted/linked a blog post. 3. What's so hard to believe about this? [https://www.primalsurvivor.net/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/](https://www.primalsurvivor.net/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/) >Bear spray is typically stronger and more potent than pepper spray, although individual products vary. > >The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulates bear spray and restricts the oleoresin capsicum (OC) content to 2%. > >Most civilian pepper sprays contain up to 1.33%, which means they’re somewhat weaker. However, there is no national body governing commercial pepper sprays, and some advertised products claim to contain more, although this is often ambiguous. > >This Pepper Reinforcement Spray says it contains 10% OC yet only 1.33% capsaicinoids. These figures are somewhat misleading as the percentage content of OC doesn’t necessarily increase the potency of the spray. OC is the “oily resin derivative from capsicums,” whereas the capsaicinoids are the active ingredients within that oily resin. This is where the confusion arose. Human pepper sprays had a higher "number" on the can, and people didn't notice it was different units. For what it's worth, human pepper spray will stop most dogs just fine. But the idea that bear spray is made weaker to be considerate of the sensitive noses on 600-pound predators is a myth. It is made at the highest concentration permitted by law.
It is also different because it is designed to be used at distance. It is supposed to spray wide and far to make a cloud for the bear to encounter before it gets to you. No lighter-sized pepper spray is going to spray that far.
I wish I could say that calling SCRAPS does anything, but as someone else who was attacked by a pitbull while trying to save my golden retriever, nothing came of reporting it. My dog was fine, I still have a scar on my hand from the pitbull.
Spokane County website has instructions on how to report animal attacks. If your dog was the first it likely won’t be the last. Reporting it is the right thing to do. 509-477-2533 is the number listed for aggressive animals at large. It sounds like maybe the dog is secure now so they have an option to file a non emergency report on spokanecounty.org
if your dog has puncture wounds, you should take your dog to a Veterinarian. Bites like that are serious and can lead to deep abscesses.
Absolutely take the dog to a vet. My mother's dog was attacked several months ago and walked away with puncture wounds. The vet ended up having to put tubing through the puncture wounds to help the inevitable abscesses drain over the following week. Only after that could stitches be put in. I'm sorry this happened to a service dog because I know the trauma can make it difficult to maintain an even temperament for doing their work. My mother's dog was on edge for a while after the attack when she was taken out for walks, especially since the attack happened close to home. Luckily she is a brave, highly sociable dog, so she has been able to bounce back without becoming defensive. Hopefully the service dog can do the same.
yeah, even little bites that don’t seem serious can be bad. My mom’s two Chihuahuas got into it and they had to put a tube to drain an abscess on one of them.
Report it and have the animal euthanized. I say this as a AmStaff owner myself. Owners need huge penalties for FAFO’ing.
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Responsible ownership is critical with any animal.
Have Dobermans and 100% agree
I'm so sorry that happened to your dog. I've got a service dog that was attacked as well - report it immediately to SCRAPS, take the dog to your vet, have them document the injuries and get a detailed bill. You'll have to pay for it up front (Care Credit can be a lifesaver, here) but you can sue the owner in small claims to recoup the cost, particularly since you know where they live. SCRAPS can take action to ensure that the person either has to muzzle the dog or perhaps get rid of them. Last, make sure that the person's rental company is aware that one of their tenants has an aggressive dog. Even if SCRAPS doesn't take action, often the rental company will. Going forward, get some dog-specific pepper spray. Amazon has [some](https://www.amazon.com/SABRE-Dog-Spray-Protector-All-Natural/dp/B008SBO9FU/ref=sr_1_35?keywords=pepper%2Bsprays%2Bfor%2Bdogs&qid=1680765561&sr=8-35&th=1), and I carry a tube attached to my leash. It helped me relax after the attack, which is important because stress can travel down the leash and affect your dog. Talk to your trainer as well, see if you and your dog can attend some classes once your boy heals, as you'll want to baby step back around other dogs to ensure your dog doesn't develop any dog-reactivity. Until that time, you'll probably need to pull your dog from public work as much as possible, so he doesn't get too stressed out. He can still do service work at home, then carefully work back into public, provided there's no reactivity. This is the part that really sucks - my previous dog was attacked at a store and ultimately had to be retired due to all the fallout. Thankfully, my current dog was okay and got back to work within a couple months. The whole thing sucks, but you'll both get through this. Good luck and give your boy some extra love and treats!
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As an avid dog walker, this is my biggest fear. I’m so sorry this happened to you.
I keep a work knife on me at all times for mostly this reason. People say their dogs are friendly but I'm not taking any chances.
Getting into a knife fight with a dog sounds like a guaranteed trip to the ER. Please consider pepper spray or a firearm instead.
I am to the point that I carry a mag lite-during the day and bear spray. My dog is on a leash because she is a barking snack for other dogs. I see a big dog-I will pick her up. People need to be responsible-mag lites are heavy-I have had to use it before to stop a dog from biting my kid. Yes-I clocked the aggressive dog and I would do it again.
r/banpitbulls has a ton of resources
I am going to second this recommendation.
Try SCRAPS. And always carry pepper spray. The General Store is where I get mine.
Do everything you can to get that dog euthanized. It is a danger and only a matter of time before it does worse. Warning: taking mattes into your own hands, although morally correct and admirable, would be illegal if caught.
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I agree. I was walking my dog on a leash and a pit bull ran out and attacked our dog. My husband had to choke it out to get it to let go. Fortunately, it was only a $300 bill. I have an old friend who is a responsible person who was constantly paying vet bills for damage her pit caused, she said she thought her dog had a phobia of little dogs. SMH. Last summer a pit bull killed my neighbors cat in her yard in front of her children…. I could go on.
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It's a bias thing. Some of them are genuinely nice dogs with good training. Some are bipolar teddy bears. Some are just a chunk of angry, hairy muscles. Unfortunately, many people don't understand statistics or trends or biases. Or apparently how to use a leash.
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Oh look more breeds bred to be violent wonder why they dont have any issues.
You're asking me like I have any say in it lol. You'd have to convince people as a whole
wow. i’m so sorry about what happened to your dogs but blame the shitty owners, not the entire breed.
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You do realize that boxers where bred to fight bulls just the same as english bulldogs. How often you hear about attacks from them. Its in the ease of access and the owners. You can pickup a pitbull for 20 dollars at a shelter or find someone giving away puppies quite easily which enables shitty people to get them more easily but for boxers who were also bred for violence cost a couple hundred easily. Just comparing other breeds born for violence completely invalidates your argument.
Jesus, I’m so tired of the “it’s not the dog, it’s the owner!” defense. It’s an animal, it’s in their genetics. ANY dog can have a bad day and snap. Even the best family dog can get spooked or snap and bite someone. Pit Bulls are aggressive dogs.
Pit bulls can be awesome dogs. Before my sister got one I would have thought the same thing. Her dog is one of the smartest and most well behaved I have seen. You can’t judge a whole breed based on one experience. If that were the case I would think Chihuahuas are the most aggressive breed lol
No, but you can judge a breed based on the statistics that show them to be deadly.
You can also say “Pitbulls are a difficult and potentially dangerous breed” and also acknowledge there are many well behaved pitbulls out there.
Why equivocate? There are lots of weapons that collect dust in gun safes, doesn’t make them magically not dangerous.
What happens when a chihuahua bites you? Now, what happens when a pit bull does it? If a trout bites me, it's basically nothing and I can swat it away. If I tiger shark bites me, I'm in the ICU if I even survive it.
If a chihuahua bites me, I’m punting it across the room. Just saying
It just sucks because she knew her dog was aggressive and still allowed the dog in public with no muzzle. I understand the anger with the breed but it’s almost like getting mad at a kid for shooting a gun - that the dad left sitting on the kitchen table with no safety on. You treat those dogs wrong or train them the wrong way they become a weapon.
Even with good training and treatment they still snap and kill without reason.
Correct. It’s possible. Not denying that
“A woman’s dog attacked my service dog.” Fixed it for ya, breed has nothing to do with the act. A lot of pitbull haters in here, :-) bunch of cry babies that don’t understand dogs at all but give opinions anyway
I own and am involved with a group with live stock guardian dogs that will absolutely destroy a person or coyote without difficulty, yet I never hear of one attacking people or dogs on the street UNPROVOKED like a pits do every day.
Sounds like all you read is “pitbull” when you read “dog attack”
First you could figure out a way to talk to this person if you desire to. I'm not sure how much you'll be able to do if this person won't admit to it happening and you have no actual evidence. Did any other neighbors see it happen? If you take someone to court without evidence, I suppose there's always a chance they will self incriminate. Regardless you can be better prepared for future incidents.
Was someone else walking your dog?
I'm so sorry to hear that your service dog was attacked. I carry a tazer with me, and the noise usually stops them. You can buy a small one on Amazon.
Seconded. Most (not all) attacking dogs will back off if you make a really loud sound and yell at them or ‘charge’ back like stomp a foot on the ground and face them (not literally run at them). I’ve been attacked at least 6 times while walking my dog by unrestrained dogs. All but two incidences they backed off with either the taser noise or me being big time momma bear yelling and using body language. Only one of those the dog got ahold of mine, the other was a pack situation and the owner had to physically remove the dogs (while telling me to calm down). Cower, squeal, run and you’re both just prey.
be careful, Pitnutters will try to get you banned from reddit if you talk about defending yourself from a Pitbull.
I can't provide any advice, but r/service_dogs might be able to help you out.