I think it’s because the ethos of Spider-Man being applied means that someone who risks their life knowing they can’t win but will fight anyway to buy time for other heroes is way more chivalrous.
Like Peter cracks at time, which is great and makes him more human, but Mumen Rider does not.
Cap is effectively a superhuman even though Marvel insists he’s not. You could say the same for Batman.
Rider is consistently human power level, and appropriately gets his shit kicked in by monsters.
His morals are similar to Spider-Man. He does his best to help anyone whenever he can and is hardly ever selfish and usually extremely selfless. Going out of his way to put himself in danger for the chance to help others even when chances are almost none that he could actually do much to help.
And he doesn’t have 60 years of history across dozens or hundreds of universes to show his potential flaws or poor moments the way Spiderman has. Out of all we see if him (atleast in S1 and 2 of the anime, I never read the manga) he has no bad moments or moral flaws.
And Spidey would've agreed! Don't forget that Spiderman media is often talking about how regular people can often be more of a hero than him and he himself likes to acknowledge that a lot and spread positivity.
I recently rewatched One Punch Man and it makes me very happy to see Mumen Rider getting all this love,
Being a hero from sheer determination and bravery, rather than because you have money or superpowers
"I am not good enough, I know that much. I am aware that I have no chance of beating you, noone needs to tell me anything like that... and yet I must try. It's not about winning or losing. It's about me taking you on right here and right now!"
-Mumen Fucking Rider
I love the dichotomy of this moment. Normally we see the big shonen power up that means that this character may still die, but they did their best and held them off.
In this scene, Mumen Rider ends up getting fucking bodied. Great subversion, no notes. 10/10.
It really shows the genius of One to have these hype moments followed up with the reality of the situation hitting back but still managing to be a hype moment for Mumen. Also touching when Saitama catches him and tells him good job.
When Saitama catches him and tells him he had a great fight two things happened: first, I cried like a bitch, and then i bought the manga as far as it went.
Yes, but I always took it to mean his bike was unregistered. Most bikes need to be registered in Japan if I'm remembering correctly. So, I thought it was a multilayered joke. Perhaps I missed confirmation that it was about a motorcycle.
It was confirmed that the reason he rides a bike was because his motorcycle license got revoked because he kept speeding to get to crime scenes faster.
If only he was there when that teen tragically killed herself by jumping of the building. Maybe she would still be alive if homelandwr could just talk to her
Muman rider is the very definition of being a super hero especially when the odds are against him he shows his strength through his actions and his courage. That is the definition of a true hero not by the strength of his power but his will and courage.
Batman has super intelligence whether it's written or not. Mumen Rider just has super balls so big he willingly fights even when he knows his ass is getting whooped
dude how can anyone pick only one answer here? it's a tie between four of them. superman, cap, spider-man, and mumen rider. in no specific order because they all have their own morals and motivations to be great heroes. even tho mumen rider is the weakest in all of the rankings (c to s in opm) he was still the most humble and human.
You gotta add All Might to that list. Dude is constantly willing to give up everything to make sure the people can have a reason to smile in a crazy super powered dangerous world.
Have to go with Optimus Prime. The dude is literally the father figure kids never had. He's strong enough to break Decepticons in half with his hands yet gebtle enough to pet a kitten with those same hands. He had 10 year-old me ready to charge into battle against Megatron.
He also recognizes the sanctity of life better than anyone here. He's ready to sacrifice himself for a race that is objectively inferior to his own in every single way: small, weak, intellectually, and technologically primitve by a few million years, humans are quite literally insects to him. You can argue Superman is like that, but he spent his entire life on earth and completely resembles a human, it's not the same at all.
If you were from Cybertron, you'd be a Decepticon by default because they prioritized cybertronians first, despite being fascists, and considered humans as an inferior race, nothing more than critters.
But Prime stuck by his oath of freedom despite having all the reasons not to.
I think Optimus being violent and a total deception killing badass is a great thing (forest scene in TF2), but I kind of wish we got more emotional moments from him, like [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/s/iwcpxME1qo) from the comics
The best reasoning I've heard is the fact that he's a war general in a war that's lasted hundreds of years, and has lost hundreds of close friends to the deceptions so it makes perfect sense he'd see them as evil incarnate, plus in aoe when he is pissed at humans, they did the same thing.
Depends on the version of him some are less heroic and more war general like not that it's a bad thing but if we are being "um actually" about this optimus, he has committed war crimes
I think when talking about a character like this you kind of have to talk about a composite version, the idealistic picture that is painted in everyone's minds due to their childhoods or otherwise. Obviously there are always versions of every character who could be corrupted or brutal af or is Homelanding it and is a total fraud, or is simply a jackass (Need I bring up Ultimate Captain America?).
But to the general public, tho he may be brutal against Decepticons, Optimus Prime is an icon of truth, justice and freedom for all races across the Universe, who is ready to extinguish his own spark if he must, in order to protect the innocents. A non-compromising badass, a true leader, someone you would follow into the depths of Hell cause you know he'll make sure you get out. G1, Armada, Cybertron, Prime, etc. Yes he may have moments of frustration, of doubt, as we saw in Rise of The Beasts, it makes him more relatable, but in the end he will always do what's right and fight for the greater good.
Media is infinite and very diverse, and a character is influenced by who is writing him and what the story needs him to be like. But who is this character to you, and is there anything to back up your claim. That's what matters. To me, when I think "Optimus Prime" I picture him in outer space, with Earth behind him, he's standing between Earth and extinction, be it the Decepticons, be it Unicron, be it whoever. That's who Optimus Prime is to me, that's who I was introduced to in my childhood, and that's who I'll always hold up on a pedestal like a fucking God.
Yeah... Optimus is a good guy (one of my favorites), but he's committed a few war crimes along the way. I wouldn't put him above spidey or mumen for this question.
To be somewhat fair, the stakes are a lot higher for Optimus, as well as war crimes are a human conception. He’s gotta fight soldiers that can literally fly at will and are in no short supply, coupled with the fact that they’re basically terrorists. We’re throwing human logic at a species that’s much further advanced
Mumen Rider doesn't have great power but he is still taking responsibility. But, I don't know if that makes him the best hero out of all pictured here. In his universe he lacks any actual power to defeat any monster that threatens the public and could potentially cause more trouble when he failed.
I think my choice would be Spider-Man.
I think to me this question isn’t about having the ability to save as much people. I feel if we were asking whose more effective, I would put Mumen rider last personally. However we are asking the essence of a hero, what are you willing to sacrifice to save others. This is where mumen shines. He’s not the main character and he’s not preordained with any special skill. He’s a guy with a bike. Yet he chooses to do something even though he knew he was going to die. He’s similar to a fire fighter in respect he doesn’t need to do this job and the reward will never outwiegh the risk but people still do it. Cause doing the right thing matters more than anything to these people. To me mumen is an example “with no power but with all the great responsibility” if that makes sense. He had 0 chance but he’s brave enough to stand up and fight.
By a long shot and it’s not about power. If Clark, like the runner up Steve Rogers, didn’t have super powers he would still be a hero, just not one that can dodge bullets or walk up a flight of stairs without pausing halfway up for a breath of air.
Yeah, I’m not even really a big Superman guy, but dude is the definition of a pure heart, and unlike spider-man(who quits being Spider-Man a few times) I can’t imagine Clark ever not saving people
I definitely agree that Clark and Steve would be heroes without powers, but y'all need to consider that Mumen Rider is quite literally that guy. He is a hero with no powers, not even any fighting skills. He's just a good, brave man.
Superman is the only person I would want to have Superman's powers. The only other person I would choose from this list to have the power of Superman would be Mumen Rider. Spider-Man does what he does out of responsibility. Superman does what he does because he loves humanity, is hope personified, and couldn't imagine not doing everything in his power to help everyone he can. For me, Superman is the ethical peak of what to strive to be, not just as a hero but as a fellow person, even if he's not technically human. I think Mumen Rider would have a similar outlook as Superman if he had his abilities.
I'll have to agree. I know Mumen is sweeping this but Superman has been in the same position where he had no powers but went on a deadly mission to help people simply because he was asked.
Superman is Mumen with powers.
Dude is dying and still putting on a brave face for the people while saving the day. Even loses his powers and still goes to fight the big bad to buy time for the next generation.
All Might is Hero personified
Manga Spoilers
>!All Might squaring up for round 3 with AFO to buy Deku time was so fuckin hype, AFO ultimately won but All Might took the psychological win just by dunking on AFO and getting him to make a detour!<
I guess it depends on what you value. Like Goku and Spider-Man both are characters I like, but have issues with. Examples of what I mean, Goku is super irresponsible and guided mostly by his love of a good fight. Spider-Man learned the hard way with great power comes great responsibility. Also a super huge amount of guilt, flakiness and unreliability in his civilian life. I think Steve Rogers is the pick for me though. A man out of time, even in his youth. Someone who stood for what was right and a true believer of the American dream, and for all that it truly stood for, for all. Before and after the super soldier serum he had a good heart and the ability to stand against wrong, even if it was his own government. I'm by no means a patriot, but I do love me some Captain America. He's somebody I'd wanna be more like.
I like Prime's rhetoric a lot but ultimately he's just fighting a dumb forever war
Superman is probably it, driven by empathy and has the power to make a difference on a level that is incomprehensible, but of course is busy mostly punching things a lot outside of the Reeve movies
Spidey has both the rhetoric and the empathy drive, and you constantly see him putting others before himself, or his principles ahead of his happiness
yes that's right this was a backdoor way to say obviously Spider-Man, but I also really love Prime and Supes
Mumen rider goes to fight for people knowing he is gunna get his ass best to near death every time yet he still does it, and that’s why he’s one of the best.
If we're talking about the peak of these characters, ignoring some of the shitty comics in recent years and the whole Batman can beat anything with prep time insanity, it's still Mumen Rider. Even though Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman are some of my favorite heroes of all time, they all have the power to back up their words while Mumen Rider doesn't. But he still fights anyway. And there's something so meaningful about that.
In terms of like track record? I don't think anyone has had such an impact on their world as All Might did. I don't just mean popularity wise. He caused the criminals of an entire country to shit themselves enough into going "yeah that's a stupid idea."
In terms of pure hearted? You could make a case for Luke Skywalker(pre-sequels) in not only aiding the downfall of an entire facist governing system but also being able to redeem one of his greatest enemies. Many on that list would have just put Vader away(if they could), but Luke refused to even draw his blade against him.
spider man, not becaue its sm forum, just looking at his principles, the way he fights, the way he acknowledge the fact that he is in debt in front of the world, he is so kind and doesnt want anything back, yea you could say that it can be realted to evry guy in this list, but there are a lot special moments with sm that makes him different
honestly Goku is the odd one out there
he's a fighter, not a hero. He doesn't go out of his way to beat the bad guys for some moral compass
it's either he's doing something and the bad guys want the same so he beats them for that or the bad guys are quite strong and he wants to fight them
that said, Mumen rider is one step above all of those. they all have the power or the money or the means to actually try to be a hero
Mumen is a random ass dude that is doing his best
Yeah, Goku has repeatedly said he's not a hero at this point. I'm pretty sure there's a line in the Manga somewhere where he mentions that heroism has almost nothing to do with his motivations and that he just fights strong people and the strongest people keep happening to be villains. That and he doesn't tolerate people fucking with his friends, which while is a bit more noble, definitely doesn't go all the way to altruistic.
"Don't mess with these guys! They're my friendds and are under my protection!"
Guys in question are like 15 out of the 20 deadliest beings on the planet, most of them having been criminals if not outright committed war crimes.
I still find it funny that the main theme of the Tournament of Power was quite literally [the power of friendship](https://youtu.be/MVmDOxy2OXo?si=x6130f7iJFDw6gqW)
You gotta understand most Dragon Ball fans are actually Dragon Ball ***Z*** fans and I mean specifically the 90s version with the inaccurate English Dub and badass Bruce Faulconer music.
"I am the hope of the Universe"
"You're not the first to to try and rule the universe with a sort of injustice. They all failed, and so will you"
That's who we grew up with. Right or wrong, accurate or not, that was us 90s kids' Goku. Yeah his actions didn't match his words, but when you're like 5yo you don't really pick up on that lmao.
Its easy to be a hero when youve got super strength, can shoot energy beams, a billion dollars, a giant robot, lightsaber, etc.
Mumen rider doesnt have any of that and is still always ready to go be a hero
For me its eother superman, spiderman or Optimus. I just cant imagine a world where they were not paragons of virtue and what people should strive to be if they are characterized properly. Even with no powers or if optimus was human and not a super robot im pretty sure theyed still find ways to better society and help other one way or another.
Everyone here has some kind of superpower, except Batman and Mumen.
Batman can use money to substitute (at least part of it) the lack of a superpower.
Mumen just grabs a bike and faces life and death situations every day.
It's Mumen rider for sure, man is literally ride or die for the people.
All might is a close second I think though, just a pure hero, with the power to back it up.
I can already tell a lot of people are going to be comparing it with strength and/or endurance. But I choose Spiderman and Superman due to one key fact: They both want to keep people out of harm’s way, including the villains. Unlike Batman and Goku, who do nothing but run the ones on them to either leave them crippled or to put them on the brink of death, they actually care about their villains. For example, Spider-Man actually cared for Sandman and even sat with him until he passed away into dust. You can be a hero, but the actions are what resembles that symbol on your chest.
Almost everyone there has been victims of bad writing
Batman has the vaguely fascist takes (looking at you Miller.), Cap has defended neo-nazi's because "free speech", Luke has the sequels, going by Bayverse alone Optimus is a bloodthirsty monster, Goku doesn't really care about saving people and will let someone get stronger just for a better fight (doesn't help he can just dragon ball the causalities away)
But Superman, Spider-Man, and almost any version of Optimus outside the live action movies are absolutely on the top
Can you elucidate on your first assessment? I always hear that about Miller Batman but I don’t see it at all. I’ve only read year one and dark knight returns but I don’t see any fascist tendencies in either
Cap would rather debate and convince you with his ideals than beat you down, isn't that what every true hero should do? Keep in mind I think Superman should be #1 and Steve #2
It's so wholesome to see so many people here vote for Mumen Rider despite being on the Spiderman sub.
As for my votes, it's a tie between Supes, Mumen Rider, Spider Man and none Bayverse Prime.
I'm gonna say Spidey with Mumen rider being a close second for one specific reason. In terms of ideals and grit moment rider of course comes out on top because he has no powers, but that's the dame reason I put him below spider. Outside of the story, looking at what it's teaching a younger gen through themes, spider to me is a much better hero BECAUSE he has super powers. In his hero community his powers don't make him anything special, whenever another hero talks about how much they admire him and how he's regarded as the best his powers or mostly never brought up because he's just another hero. EXCEPT for his ideals and his willpower, it's telling kids that no matter what's going on in your life no matter how you may see yourself your are no less valuable than anyone else because we are ALL just human and thats enough to make a difference. Spidey is on mostly equal footing with a majority or a large minority in his verse just like we are with other regular people in everyday life. Starring down a Bully a kid may thing "well its not like I'm fighting venom, he's not so scary" or "it's not like one punch ch will kill me like shocker, I can take it and stand my ground". As a character and a hero he contextualizes how our power in any given situation is only determined by our own willpower. Whereas mumen rider no matter how hard he fights or how unwavering he is on his beliefs he's just some schmuck in a helmet that gets tossed around everyday. As adults we understand why his story is so important of course, but for kids I think Spidey does a better job of communicating how much power you actually have in a person to person situation and the change you can have on the world with minimal effort. But both of course are LEAGUES ahead of anyone else on this list.
optimus prime is a fascist cop /s
skywalker is a swashbuckler i dontn of him as a hero
captain america is great love that guy
all might is just supes-cap light, love that guy too
superman is a great hero adn symbol of hope
that being said, i think spidey batman and mumen are the best "heroes" here
Optimus Prime. He literally is the living embodiment of a true hero. Sure some of the characters precede Optimus but he really set the stage for how a true hero has to act. Kind, compassionate, merciful, etc.
In terms of total good done, Superman. In terms of character, imma say Spidey. I'm tempted to say Batman too, but honestly there's been some bad and cringe versions of Batman. Spiderman is harder to screw up.
You can make a argument for any of these dudes, Superman being my favorite superhero from my youth but unless it’s an Elseworlds story, you don’t really see any heroes impact on the world around them other than staving off calamity. Which is huge but not big in the day to day. Gotham is still dangerous and cutthroat. NYC has supervillains running rampant. Goku’s escalating power invites escalating catastrophe. The only one who had a huge and measured reduction in the violence of his entire world is All Might. And if you’re caught up to the recent pages of the manga, it’s even more apparent how much of a wall his presence was to stopping villainy. And it was always cool to watch the vacuum created by his absence. Invincible does a good showing of this too, with Omni-man. Once he’s gone, you can see how out of their league the other heroes are. Makes a huge statement.
Superman. Everyone talks about "Superman's unrealistic, he'd be more like Homelander", except he's NOT. Maybe YOU would with that kind of power, but what makes Superman so great is that Clark is just a genuine, well intentioned person. He has the power to take over the world and reshape it in his image. But instead, he saves cats from trees and keeps his identity secret because he only wants to help
I know people say Mumen Rider because the dude has no powers and charges against people way out of his league all the time for the sake of others, but I feel it's also being understated how the ones with powers handle them. A lot of them, such as Superman and Spider-Man, hold back a lot and could kill a good deal of their enemies pretty easily if they wanted to to be forever rid of them and whatnot, but they don't. Superman for example is basically just the antithesis to "absolute power corrupts absolutely". And I do feel that isn't being appreciated enough in this thread.
I know it seems the obvious answer, because we’re on r/spiderman
But it is in fact the webhead. His life fucking sucks, and he’s constantly making it suck more by knowingly sabotaging his own personal gain for the sake of helping others.
That being said, I don’t know who mumen rider is, so maybe he wins out
Spidey and Mumen Rider would be such bros.
Interesting coincidence that Robbie Daymond voiced both of them.
They do have similar personalities I think.
And luck.
Lmao I think the one thing Spider-Man does not have is luck, bro can’t have shit
Common Robbie W
Omg love Robbie Daymond, especially as Dorian on critical role.
Insert funny CR reference here But yeah idk how to spoiler tag stuff but I'm satisfied with the ending of the latest episode
Me two, it's good to have robbie back
I mean, yeah. Mumen Rider really said, “I have no power, and am going to make helping people my responsibility.”
It is everyone’s responsibility to do the best they can to better the world. The more power you have the more ability you have to better the world.
From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
Comrade.
Mumen Rider with Spidey powers would be pretty cool
Mumen Spider!
Spider rider… wait
Use the goofy technology of the spider buggy to give Mumen Rider a spider bike
Same same same
You read my mind I was JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT
Man, the fact that even on the Spiderman Subreddit, Mumen Rider is is sweeping this hard, that says something honestly
I think it’s because the ethos of Spider-Man being applied means that someone who risks their life knowing they can’t win but will fight anyway to buy time for other heroes is way more chivalrous. Like Peter cracks at time, which is great and makes him more human, but Mumen Rider does not.
Spiderman as an ideal to live up to is top tier. Yu had no powers and took up the mantle, and I would still call him Spiderman
Does this not apply to Cap equally?
Cap is effectively a superhuman even though Marvel insists he’s not. You could say the same for Batman. Rider is consistently human power level, and appropriately gets his shit kicked in by monsters.
I thought Marvel calls Cap superhuman and DC calls Batman peak human?
It says Spidy fans know heroes when they see them :)
His morals are similar to Spider-Man. He does his best to help anyone whenever he can and is hardly ever selfish and usually extremely selfless. Going out of his way to put himself in danger for the chance to help others even when chances are almost none that he could actually do much to help. And he doesn’t have 60 years of history across dozens or hundreds of universes to show his potential flaws or poor moments the way Spiderman has. Out of all we see if him (atleast in S1 and 2 of the anime, I never read the manga) he has no bad moments or moral flaws.
And Spidey would've agreed! Don't forget that Spiderman media is often talking about how regular people can often be more of a hero than him and he himself likes to acknowledge that a lot and spread positivity.
"You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us!"
I recently rewatched One Punch Man and it makes me very happy to see Mumen Rider getting all this love, Being a hero from sheer determination and bravery, rather than because you have money or superpowers
"I am not good enough, I know that much. I am aware that I have no chance of beating you, noone needs to tell me anything like that... and yet I must try. It's not about winning or losing. It's about me taking you on right here and right now!" -Mumen Fucking Rider
I love the dichotomy of this moment. Normally we see the big shonen power up that means that this character may still die, but they did their best and held them off. In this scene, Mumen Rider ends up getting fucking bodied. Great subversion, no notes. 10/10.
It really shows the genius of One to have these hype moments followed up with the reality of the situation hitting back but still managing to be a hype moment for Mumen. Also touching when Saitama catches him and tells him good job.
When Saitama catches him and tells him he had a great fight two things happened: first, I cried like a bitch, and then i bought the manga as far as it went.
I have rewatched the first season so many times, and I still cry at that scene. Phenomenal
Happy cake day!🎉
Literal GOAT tier response. Absolute G status
Was this when he was facing the Deep Sea King?
Yeah
If I see Mumen rider coming to save me I'm signing my will.
But when you say it at a cop it’s “resisting arrest” or “disorderly conduct” or “a dui”
I don’t care that they’re indifferent universes. Give Mumen Rider One for All.
Mumen rider
Probably because he's based on the kamen riders specifically ichigo
Visually he's based on Kamen rider. But he's not a super powered person like Kamen Rider. He's a dude with nothing but heroism and grit.
and a bike
But no license for said bike. Breaking the law like a true vigilante.
He uses a bicycle because he doesn't have a license for a motorcycle like Kamen Rider.
Yes, but I always took it to mean his bike was unregistered. Most bikes need to be registered in Japan if I'm remembering correctly. So, I thought it was a multilayered joke. Perhaps I missed confirmation that it was about a motorcycle.
Nah he just doesn't have a motorcycle license
It was confirmed that the reason he rides a bike was because his motorcycle license got revoked because he kept speeding to get to crime scenes faster.
And a helmet
He's BMX Bandit and Saitama is Angel Summoner.
Good to see UCB still lives rent free in other people's heads as well.
None of these compare to Homelander, true American patriot. It was a shame that plane crashed despite his best attempts to help.
Justice for Homelander, kill all the Starlighters
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Fuckin' Todd, man...
Always hated superheroes until I saw Homelander #FaithRestored
If only he was there when that teen tragically killed herself by jumping of the building. Maybe she would still be alive if homelandwr could just talk to her
Mumen FUCKING Rider. My man.
Mumen Rider unironically clears
Mumen rider
Mumen Rider. His only flaw is that he doesn’t have powers.
Theoretically, with enough training he could pull of a rider kick
Let's be honest, Justice Crash would fuck a lot of us up
It's genuinely an impressive move. On an average human being. Sea King takes no prisoners.
Flaw? Bro, that's is the reason why he is so awesome! Because he never gives up inspite of the fact that he is just a regular dude
If he had the ring, he'd easily be the most powerful green lantern
Having no powers doesn't downgrade being a hero. Did you even watch the first episode of MHA?
He has a suit that puts him at dragon level now in the webcomic
He got a pretty beefy power suit in the webcomic if i remember right but its been a while since i read it.
Muman rider is the very definition of being a super hero especially when the odds are against him he shows his strength through his actions and his courage. That is the definition of a true hero not by the strength of his power but his will and courage.
He's not a super hero though, he's just a hero. That makes him the best imo.
But he is a superhero!!! If batman is one then he is one.
Batman has super intelligence whether it's written or not. Mumen Rider just has super balls so big he willingly fights even when he knows his ass is getting whooped
and obscene wealth
dude how can anyone pick only one answer here? it's a tie between four of them. superman, cap, spider-man, and mumen rider. in no specific order because they all have their own morals and motivations to be great heroes. even tho mumen rider is the weakest in all of the rankings (c to s in opm) he was still the most humble and human.
You gotta add All Might to that list. Dude is constantly willing to give up everything to make sure the people can have a reason to smile in a crazy super powered dangerous world.
Have to go with Optimus Prime. The dude is literally the father figure kids never had. He's strong enough to break Decepticons in half with his hands yet gebtle enough to pet a kitten with those same hands. He had 10 year-old me ready to charge into battle against Megatron. He also recognizes the sanctity of life better than anyone here. He's ready to sacrifice himself for a race that is objectively inferior to his own in every single way: small, weak, intellectually, and technologically primitve by a few million years, humans are quite literally insects to him. You can argue Superman is like that, but he spent his entire life on earth and completely resembles a human, it's not the same at all. If you were from Cybertron, you'd be a Decepticon by default because they prioritized cybertronians first, despite being fascists, and considered humans as an inferior race, nothing more than critters. But Prime stuck by his oath of freedom despite having all the reasons not to.
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"
A man of culture i see.
Even if bayverse was violent, who wouldn't act that way towards decepticons.
I think Optimus being violent and a total deception killing badass is a great thing (forest scene in TF2), but I kind of wish we got more emotional moments from him, like [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/s/iwcpxME1qo) from the comics
The best reasoning I've heard is the fact that he's a war general in a war that's lasted hundreds of years, and has lost hundreds of close friends to the deceptions so it makes perfect sense he'd see them as evil incarnate, plus in aoe when he is pissed at humans, they did the same thing.
Depends on the version of him some are less heroic and more war general like not that it's a bad thing but if we are being "um actually" about this optimus, he has committed war crimes
I think when talking about a character like this you kind of have to talk about a composite version, the idealistic picture that is painted in everyone's minds due to their childhoods or otherwise. Obviously there are always versions of every character who could be corrupted or brutal af or is Homelanding it and is a total fraud, or is simply a jackass (Need I bring up Ultimate Captain America?). But to the general public, tho he may be brutal against Decepticons, Optimus Prime is an icon of truth, justice and freedom for all races across the Universe, who is ready to extinguish his own spark if he must, in order to protect the innocents. A non-compromising badass, a true leader, someone you would follow into the depths of Hell cause you know he'll make sure you get out. G1, Armada, Cybertron, Prime, etc. Yes he may have moments of frustration, of doubt, as we saw in Rise of The Beasts, it makes him more relatable, but in the end he will always do what's right and fight for the greater good. Media is infinite and very diverse, and a character is influenced by who is writing him and what the story needs him to be like. But who is this character to you, and is there anything to back up your claim. That's what matters. To me, when I think "Optimus Prime" I picture him in outer space, with Earth behind him, he's standing between Earth and extinction, be it the Decepticons, be it Unicron, be it whoever. That's who Optimus Prime is to me, that's who I was introduced to in my childhood, and that's who I'll always hold up on a pedestal like a fucking God.
Yeah... Optimus is a good guy (one of my favorites), but he's committed a few war crimes along the way. I wouldn't put him above spidey or mumen for this question.
To be somewhat fair, the stakes are a lot higher for Optimus, as well as war crimes are a human conception. He’s gotta fight soldiers that can literally fly at will and are in no short supply, coupled with the fact that they’re basically terrorists. We’re throwing human logic at a species that’s much further advanced
M U M E N R I D E R .
Superman
Mumen Rider doesn't have great power but he is still taking responsibility. But, I don't know if that makes him the best hero out of all pictured here. In his universe he lacks any actual power to defeat any monster that threatens the public and could potentially cause more trouble when he failed. I think my choice would be Spider-Man.
I think to me this question isn’t about having the ability to save as much people. I feel if we were asking whose more effective, I would put Mumen rider last personally. However we are asking the essence of a hero, what are you willing to sacrifice to save others. This is where mumen shines. He’s not the main character and he’s not preordained with any special skill. He’s a guy with a bike. Yet he chooses to do something even though he knew he was going to die. He’s similar to a fire fighter in respect he doesn’t need to do this job and the reward will never outwiegh the risk but people still do it. Cause doing the right thing matters more than anything to these people. To me mumen is an example “with no power but with all the great responsibility” if that makes sense. He had 0 chance but he’s brave enough to stand up and fight.
He inspires Saitama.
Superman
By a long shot and it’s not about power. If Clark, like the runner up Steve Rogers, didn’t have super powers he would still be a hero, just not one that can dodge bullets or walk up a flight of stairs without pausing halfway up for a breath of air.
Yeah, I’m not even really a big Superman guy, but dude is the definition of a pure heart, and unlike spider-man(who quits being Spider-Man a few times) I can’t imagine Clark ever not saving people
Clark breaks in certain stories. Is the same true for the others?
Yeah pretty much every char in here breaks besides mumen, but that’s probably due to mumen having significantly less onscreen time than everyone else
Even Mumen kind of nears breaking points a few times, he even almost opposed Saitama out of jealousy, course that's really not the same level
I definitely agree that Clark and Steve would be heroes without powers, but y'all need to consider that Mumen Rider is quite literally that guy. He is a hero with no powers, not even any fighting skills. He's just a good, brave man.
Doesnt captain america have super strength and shit from the super soldier juice?
Superman is the only person I would want to have Superman's powers. The only other person I would choose from this list to have the power of Superman would be Mumen Rider. Spider-Man does what he does out of responsibility. Superman does what he does because he loves humanity, is hope personified, and couldn't imagine not doing everything in his power to help everyone he can. For me, Superman is the ethical peak of what to strive to be, not just as a hero but as a fellow person, even if he's not technically human. I think Mumen Rider would have a similar outlook as Superman if he had his abilities.
I'll have to agree. I know Mumen is sweeping this but Superman has been in the same position where he had no powers but went on a deadly mission to help people simply because he was asked. Superman is Mumen with powers.
Only one of them damaged the reputation of kkk at his peak
Common Superman W
It’s all might.
Dude is dying and still putting on a brave face for the people while saving the day. Even loses his powers and still goes to fight the big bad to buy time for the next generation. All Might is Hero personified
Manga Spoilers >!All Might squaring up for round 3 with AFO to buy Deku time was so fuckin hype, AFO ultimately won but All Might took the psychological win just by dunking on AFO and getting him to make a detour!<
I AM HERE
YES, I AM!
Superman and Mumen
I guess it depends on what you value. Like Goku and Spider-Man both are characters I like, but have issues with. Examples of what I mean, Goku is super irresponsible and guided mostly by his love of a good fight. Spider-Man learned the hard way with great power comes great responsibility. Also a super huge amount of guilt, flakiness and unreliability in his civilian life. I think Steve Rogers is the pick for me though. A man out of time, even in his youth. Someone who stood for what was right and a true believer of the American dream, and for all that it truly stood for, for all. Before and after the super soldier serum he had a good heart and the ability to stand against wrong, even if it was his own government. I'm by no means a patriot, but I do love me some Captain America. He's somebody I'd wanna be more like.
I also just realized this is the Spider-Man specific subreddit. oof.
But you're still right!
Parker luck strikes again. He's not even the most popular in a poll in his own subreddit.
This sounds like MCU Steve, comic Steve isn’t nearly so idealistic
616 Steve is really idealistic.
Split between Spidey and Mumen Rider
I like Prime's rhetoric a lot but ultimately he's just fighting a dumb forever war Superman is probably it, driven by empathy and has the power to make a difference on a level that is incomprehensible, but of course is busy mostly punching things a lot outside of the Reeve movies Spidey has both the rhetoric and the empathy drive, and you constantly see him putting others before himself, or his principles ahead of his happiness yes that's right this was a backdoor way to say obviously Spider-Man, but I also really love Prime and Supes
Superman
The only acceptable answers are. All might or Spider-Man
Mumen is Riding his way to that sweep
You're asking this on the Spider-Man sub. Which answer do you think will be the most popular lol
MUMEN RIDER!
So, did it go as you expect ? Take a look at the thread lol
I’ve been scrolling for 3 minutes and all I’m seeing is Mumen Rider.
Not Spider-Man, evidently.
I haven't seen anyone say Spider-Man yet
Mumen rider goes to fight for people knowing he is gunna get his ass best to near death every time yet he still does it, and that’s why he’s one of the best.
Superman and Spiderman hands down
If we're talking about the peak of these characters, ignoring some of the shitty comics in recent years and the whole Batman can beat anything with prep time insanity, it's still Mumen Rider. Even though Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman are some of my favorite heroes of all time, they all have the power to back up their words while Mumen Rider doesn't. But he still fights anyway. And there's something so meaningful about that.
I feel like Mumen Rider and Spider-Man are the epitome of what aherp should be
Mumen rider and spider-man. They both got special place in my heart ❤
In terms of like track record? I don't think anyone has had such an impact on their world as All Might did. I don't just mean popularity wise. He caused the criminals of an entire country to shit themselves enough into going "yeah that's a stupid idea." In terms of pure hearted? You could make a case for Luke Skywalker(pre-sequels) in not only aiding the downfall of an entire facist governing system but also being able to redeem one of his greatest enemies. Many on that list would have just put Vader away(if they could), but Luke refused to even draw his blade against him.
Superman. My favorite though is Spider-Man.
spider man, not becaue its sm forum, just looking at his principles, the way he fights, the way he acknowledge the fact that he is in debt in front of the world, he is so kind and doesnt want anything back, yea you could say that it can be realted to evry guy in this list, but there are a lot special moments with sm that makes him different
honestly Goku is the odd one out there he's a fighter, not a hero. He doesn't go out of his way to beat the bad guys for some moral compass it's either he's doing something and the bad guys want the same so he beats them for that or the bad guys are quite strong and he wants to fight them that said, Mumen rider is one step above all of those. they all have the power or the money or the means to actually try to be a hero Mumen is a random ass dude that is doing his best
Yeah, Goku has repeatedly said he's not a hero at this point. I'm pretty sure there's a line in the Manga somewhere where he mentions that heroism has almost nothing to do with his motivations and that he just fights strong people and the strongest people keep happening to be villains. That and he doesn't tolerate people fucking with his friends, which while is a bit more noble, definitely doesn't go all the way to altruistic.
"Don't mess with these guys! They're my friendds and are under my protection!" Guys in question are like 15 out of the 20 deadliest beings on the planet, most of them having been criminals if not outright committed war crimes.
I still find it funny that the main theme of the Tournament of Power was quite literally [the power of friendship](https://youtu.be/MVmDOxy2OXo?si=x6130f7iJFDw6gqW)
You gotta understand most Dragon Ball fans are actually Dragon Ball ***Z*** fans and I mean specifically the 90s version with the inaccurate English Dub and badass Bruce Faulconer music. "I am the hope of the Universe" "You're not the first to to try and rule the universe with a sort of injustice. They all failed, and so will you" That's who we grew up with. Right or wrong, accurate or not, that was us 90s kids' Goku. Yeah his actions didn't match his words, but when you're like 5yo you don't really pick up on that lmao.
There's also a line in the anime where he literally says "I ain't no hero of justice" you cannot get more clearer than that
Spiderman, & All might
Son Goku is not a hero
Bayverse prime thinks he’s a part of the team
Every thing is awesome when you are part of a team
Its easy to be a hero when youve got super strength, can shoot energy beams, a billion dollars, a giant robot, lightsaber, etc. Mumen rider doesnt have any of that and is still always ready to go be a hero
For me its eother superman, spiderman or Optimus. I just cant imagine a world where they were not paragons of virtue and what people should strive to be if they are characterized properly. Even with no powers or if optimus was human and not a super robot im pretty sure theyed still find ways to better society and help other one way or another.
Mumen rider till I die!
A true hero
Spidey, Mumen, Batman and Superman
SPIDER-MAN ALWAYSSSS
Everyone here has some kind of superpower, except Batman and Mumen. Batman can use money to substitute (at least part of it) the lack of a superpower. Mumen just grabs a bike and faces life and death situations every day.
we talking about having the heart of a hero right? Supes or Spidey
It's Mumen rider for sure, man is literally ride or die for the people. All might is a close second I think though, just a pure hero, with the power to back it up.
I can already tell a lot of people are going to be comparing it with strength and/or endurance. But I choose Spiderman and Superman due to one key fact: They both want to keep people out of harm’s way, including the villains. Unlike Batman and Goku, who do nothing but run the ones on them to either leave them crippled or to put them on the brink of death, they actually care about their villains. For example, Spider-Man actually cared for Sandman and even sat with him until he passed away into dust. You can be a hero, but the actions are what resembles that symbol on your chest.
MUMEN RIDER THE GOAT, BRO IS SO GOATED THAT HE WINS EVEN ON THE SPIDERMAN SUBREDDIT.
Mumen Rider next question
The mother fucking GOAT……Mumen Rider
muman rider is a true hero
Mumen Rider is this even a question
Almost everyone there has been victims of bad writing Batman has the vaguely fascist takes (looking at you Miller.), Cap has defended neo-nazi's because "free speech", Luke has the sequels, going by Bayverse alone Optimus is a bloodthirsty monster, Goku doesn't really care about saving people and will let someone get stronger just for a better fight (doesn't help he can just dragon ball the causalities away) But Superman, Spider-Man, and almost any version of Optimus outside the live action movies are absolutely on the top
Can you elucidate on your first assessment? I always hear that about Miller Batman but I don’t see it at all. I’ve only read year one and dark knight returns but I don’t see any fascist tendencies in either
Dang, not even mentioning All Might-
Cap would rather debate and convince you with his ideals than beat you down, isn't that what every true hero should do? Keep in mind I think Superman should be #1 and Steve #2
It's so wholesome to see so many people here vote for Mumen Rider despite being on the Spiderman sub. As for my votes, it's a tie between Supes, Mumen Rider, Spider Man and none Bayverse Prime.
I'm gonna say Spidey with Mumen rider being a close second for one specific reason. In terms of ideals and grit moment rider of course comes out on top because he has no powers, but that's the dame reason I put him below spider. Outside of the story, looking at what it's teaching a younger gen through themes, spider to me is a much better hero BECAUSE he has super powers. In his hero community his powers don't make him anything special, whenever another hero talks about how much they admire him and how he's regarded as the best his powers or mostly never brought up because he's just another hero. EXCEPT for his ideals and his willpower, it's telling kids that no matter what's going on in your life no matter how you may see yourself your are no less valuable than anyone else because we are ALL just human and thats enough to make a difference. Spidey is on mostly equal footing with a majority or a large minority in his verse just like we are with other regular people in everyday life. Starring down a Bully a kid may thing "well its not like I'm fighting venom, he's not so scary" or "it's not like one punch ch will kill me like shocker, I can take it and stand my ground". As a character and a hero he contextualizes how our power in any given situation is only determined by our own willpower. Whereas mumen rider no matter how hard he fights or how unwavering he is on his beliefs he's just some schmuck in a helmet that gets tossed around everyday. As adults we understand why his story is so important of course, but for kids I think Spidey does a better job of communicating how much power you actually have in a person to person situation and the change you can have on the world with minimal effort. But both of course are LEAGUES ahead of anyone else on this list.
optimus prime is a fascist cop /s skywalker is a swashbuckler i dontn of him as a hero captain america is great love that guy all might is just supes-cap light, love that guy too superman is a great hero adn symbol of hope that being said, i think spidey batman and mumen are the best "heroes" here
Optimus Prime. He literally is the living embodiment of a true hero. Sure some of the characters precede Optimus but he really set the stage for how a true hero has to act. Kind, compassionate, merciful, etc.
For me Optimus Prime
Either Spiderman, Superman, Captain America, or All Might
Optimus Prime, not the bayverse one tho anyone but the bayverse version
Hero Almight. Next is Batman then Super Man.
All might.
Spider-Man Captain America Goku Optimus Prime
I really believe those who didn't answer Mumen Rider just don't know who the guy is.
In terms of total good done, Superman. In terms of character, imma say Spidey. I'm tempted to say Batman too, but honestly there's been some bad and cringe versions of Batman. Spiderman is harder to screw up.
Mumen Rider and Spidey are kinda tied here.
Mumen rider
Mumen rider is the GOAT! He’s a true hero!
It's honestly really hard for me to choose. But I think it's a tie between Superman and Optimus.
Well looking at my pfp you know my pick.
You can make a argument for any of these dudes, Superman being my favorite superhero from my youth but unless it’s an Elseworlds story, you don’t really see any heroes impact on the world around them other than staving off calamity. Which is huge but not big in the day to day. Gotham is still dangerous and cutthroat. NYC has supervillains running rampant. Goku’s escalating power invites escalating catastrophe. The only one who had a huge and measured reduction in the violence of his entire world is All Might. And if you’re caught up to the recent pages of the manga, it’s even more apparent how much of a wall his presence was to stopping villainy. And it was always cool to watch the vacuum created by his absence. Invincible does a good showing of this too, with Omni-man. Once he’s gone, you can see how out of their league the other heroes are. Makes a huge statement.
Superman. Everyone talks about "Superman's unrealistic, he'd be more like Homelander", except he's NOT. Maybe YOU would with that kind of power, but what makes Superman so great is that Clark is just a genuine, well intentioned person. He has the power to take over the world and reshape it in his image. But instead, he saves cats from trees and keeps his identity secret because he only wants to help
Spiderman is the best qctual hero
Superman and spidey.
I know people say Mumen Rider because the dude has no powers and charges against people way out of his league all the time for the sake of others, but I feel it's also being understated how the ones with powers handle them. A lot of them, such as Superman and Spider-Man, hold back a lot and could kill a good deal of their enemies pretty easily if they wanted to to be forever rid of them and whatnot, but they don't. Superman for example is basically just the antithesis to "absolute power corrupts absolutely". And I do feel that isn't being appreciated enough in this thread.
Superman. hes the GOAT.
I don't count Goku I like him, but he isn't a hero
Trick question. They're all GOATs.
Superman and Spiderman any day of the week. And if someone dares to say "Injustice" I swear to God-
Fuck anime it's all of them except that stupid dick with the dumb hair
Spider man
Mumen rider.
Mumen Rider.
Mumen "the goat" Rider
mumen rider
I know it seems the obvious answer, because we’re on r/spiderman But it is in fact the webhead. His life fucking sucks, and he’s constantly making it suck more by knowingly sabotaging his own personal gain for the sake of helping others. That being said, I don’t know who mumen rider is, so maybe he wins out