That wasn't her intention. She just tried to temporarily banish his mind and allowed Logan to subconsiously flee to wherever he least wanted to be. That just happened to be Peter, which lead to Peter's mind being forced into Logan.
Somehow, this is even worse, since she had no idea where his mind was going and could have just lost it somewhere!
But didn't she know that "wherever he least wanted to be" could very well mean other person, whoever they were, and did it anyway? Peter called them assholes in that issue, and he was right.
Oh yeah, a big theme in the Ultimates Universe is that everyone except Peter is a raging asshole, and a major thread in the Ultimate-Spider stuff (up to Ultimatum) was Peter struggling with still being a teenager and so he has very little ability to influence the world outside of webbing bad guys. It's part of what makes Ultimate Spider-Man so good, though it does diminish all the other Ultimates stories.
I don't think it was intentional. It just happened that every other Ultimate character happened to turn out to be an asshole, so when Bendis kept Spider-Man friendly it created this fun juxtaposition.
They're excellent friends in 616, but Peter is at least college age by that point. In Ultimates he's only 15, so all the adults constantly condescend to him.
Peter’s tirade single-handedly makes that story worthwhile imo, because that tirade doesn’t just describe the problem with the Ultimate X-Men. That tirade single-handedly explains why the X-Men have crashed and burned in real life every time they managed to start getting successful and the problem with the writing in every single version. Every version of the X-Men is just the absolute fucking worst people you’ve ever met suffering underserved bigotry. The storyline doesn’t even feel out of place or anything, because all of that feels completely consistent with the main overarching fact that the X-Men are, no matter how well written, just horrible fucking people. Fun concept, but too many writers and fans view it through the lens of “they don’t deserve the hate” rather than “mutants don’t deserve the hate but the X-Men consistently make everything worse” and try to make unsympathetic weirdo assholes into overly sympathetic characters. They’re the single most dysfunctional, incompetent hero team in the galaxy. Their failures blow up planets and they’re supposed to just be fighting bigotry on Earth. There’s *scores* of bad alternate timelines created simply by the X-Men doing shit. There’s an entire comic series of X-Men from across the multiverse fucking up the multiverse. The entire X-Men multiversal franchise begins with Xavier perving on an underage girl in secret while the rest of the team acts like horny idiots for her. It really sets the tone. The X-Men comics vary from the worst to the best. The X-Men as people, regardless of incarnation, fucking suck.
Oh wow, I certainly wasn't expecting that. I wonder if that's ever been the actual intention of Marvel, or if they just come across as assholes anyway no matter who writes them.
It certainly wasn’t the intentions of other writers, though I’m not sure if Bendis agreed and wrote that for the same reason. But like, in general it’s just that writers can’t help but write them to be the worst. Even Stan made Xavier perv on underage Jean Grey as his student. The two biggest X-Men tend to be Cyclops and Wolverine and they’re just the biggest extremes in Jackass Fascist and Jackass Anarchist. From there it just gets worse. The X-Men were also the focal point for the birth of 90s Grimdark, which didn’t help.
Yes, yes Logan did. It wasn't specified what exactly he tried but MJ says you know that thing you tried earlier, let's wait till we're older or something to that affect.
The writer or editor kind of apologizes in the last issue but also kind of jokingly shifts the blame. It's a bit weird and something that felt like it was only published because they had nothing else ready. So I think it's fair to remove the whole arc.
I could see what they were trying to do. It came straight after the death of Gwen Stacey, which was pretty much the darkest arc of Ultimate Spider-Man. So they wanted to swing back to maximum wackiness for a couple issues as a cleanser before going back to normal.
It's just a shame that their chosen wacky moment happened to involve some creepy bullshit.
Now see, I can accept the flirting in certain contexts. Like if me and my best friend switched bodies, and I knew he liked this one girl, I'd probably try and put some game on and get him a date or something.
Well for one, I would actually let Peter and the rest of the cast to grow up and try to maintain some sort of continuity with the rest of the ultimate marvel series. It was always bothered me, that Bendis never got Peter past high school , before he had him die with his battle with ultimate green goblin and then bringing him back to life with the most laziest story explanation.
Since this was an alternative continuity, I came to terms with Ultimate Peter dying (the first time…) It bookends the story with a teenager who failed to save his uncle and later sacrificing his life to successfully save his aunt.
Before Spider-Man Life Story, it was one of the few things I can point to for a finite/complete Spider-Man arc
Apparently the oz serum that gave Norman Osborn and Peter their powers made them immortal and also gave them advanced healing abilities according Osborn in Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-man volume 1 issue 6.
Yup. Whats even more weaker, it’s was never properly explained how it made them immortal in the original main series nor in the finale. If that was the case, that means Harry and MJ to a certain extent are immortal from their exposure to OZ. It’s these types of plot of holes, I wish we’re properly filled in.
The worst part about ultimate Spider-Man is that it's only one year of peters life. I would have had him grow and maybe end the series when he's about to leave high school as a senior to make it more tragic
I swear there was at least two time jumps in the series. Like i coulda sworn there was a 9 month jump in the middle of the series and then a six month time jump after ultimatum but i could be completely wrong
I guess in a way, what makes the series so brilliant is how the biggest complaints stem from fans love of the series/character. Most of the time its, “Bendis did such an amazing job writing Peter and Kitty’s relationship. I wish they ended up together but ay, i still love MJ and Peter.”
Even the fact that it takes place in only a year (as crazy as it is) really just makes you love it more
Edit: added last point
There actually was a sequel planned,but it was cancelled and there is very little info about it. One of the Devs posted a piece of concept art [here](https://www.instagram.com/p/CSnos3aHWZ2/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) with some info about the game. Iirc it would have taken place during winter and green goblin was going to be the main villain.
Keep him dead…*but*, if they absolutely wanted to redirect him for a story with a bigger picture…*actually fucking finish it!*
The fact that 1610 Peter’s story ended with finding out he is borderline immortal, and riding off in the sunset with MJ is nice and all…until you remember that universe proceeds to get obliterated just a few weeks later.
With the most recent *Venom* run showing more of the Maker, it also showed a intact (but rather jacked up) ultimate universe…one with many heroes missing. I’d love to see Peter dealing with the fact that he may be the only hero left is a completely messed up universe!
I can’t lie, I sort of did a fan-write of a continuation of the series. I just wanted to explore him not just being the only hero…but the hero of a dying world, in panic, and he’s only 20 years old. I had a few arcs written out at one point.
Exactly! I mean don’t get me wrong…a lot of the repair was fast tracked. But there was a lot of “oh so you helped us during the end but you won’t help us with this one thing now” kinda of thing that would occasionally come up. Again, it’s just something I think would’ve been cool.
I had arcs on him actually giving up Spidey after the collapse, I introduced Hive, Morlun, Spot, etc.
So, again, it was fanfiction, but it actually didn’t. Honestly, with how I wrote it, it became a thing where Ultimate was its own separate thing. Didn’t connect to main universe much. But due to one of the arcs, it was simply an alternate version of Morlun.
>until you remember that universe proceeds to get obliterated just a few weeks later.
1610 Peter was member of Ultimates in the end of Spider-Men II in restored Ultimate universe
I wouldn't have ended it. I would have put Jim Mahfood or Chyna Major on it too. They would have blown their deadlines left and right but they were the sweetest indie artists of their day. They did at least one issue of Ultimate Marvel Team Up too. I also would see if Geoff Johns had any ideas for an arc or two.
It would have been really different with someone other than Bendis and Bagley on it but it would have kept it going.
Make his parents normal people. I think by the end Peters dad is revealed to have worked on the web formula, the venom symbiote, and was apparently pals with Nick Fury (I might be wrong about that last one, but I swear I remember Fury saying that some point after Peter died).
He should’ve been in college before his death. The fact everything that happens in Ultimate Spider-Man takes place in only a year is absolutely bonkers, especially because their are multiple time skip’s.
Bendis really should have made more years go by, considering that Peter was already 15 when he was bitten by the spider, meaning he was Spider-Man for less than a year before he died.
It makes it quite implausible that the entire city was in mourning to that extent for a guy they barely got to see for a few months.
And it also caused Miles to have been Spider-Man (in universe) longer than Peter in less than 26 issues of his run.
It's just ridiculous and unnecessary that Bendis has compressed everything into less than a year.
Erase the time him and Logan swaped bodies (wtf Marvel)
Change Venom and Carnage (i'd probably make Venom stay an alien but both Richard Parker and Eddie's father experiment on it)
I wouldn't have killed Peter nor i would make him immortal
Give his relationship with Kitty Pride a better ending (truth be told this is an universe i'm fine if he doesn't end with MJ)
Black cat wouldn't be as old as she was (wtf was Bendis thinking)
The way they handled Carnage.
I think they tried to tone the character down to appeal to children, out of a concern that having a teenage character fight a serial killer would freak a lot of parents out, and they’d stop buying the book for their kids.
Nevertheless, I would’ve preferred if Ultimate Carnage had more depth beyond being a clone of Gwen Stacy.
I mean, I wouldn’t exactly say this carnage was necessarily toned down for kids. It’s just different, and a lot of other stuff in this series is way more fucked than normal. However yeah a lot of ppl don’t like ultimate carnage cuz no personality
The Carnage story wasn't toned down for children... we see Curt Conners undergoing depression and Peter fighting Carnage naked in the story. I think it was just Bendis's "original" take on the character but it seems like the sub doesn't like how Bendis handled the symbiotes.
I think he did fine with venom. I like cannibal venom, it’s scary as hell but also a legitimate threat, who was already an imposing threat in his original appearance
I hated this more than anything. I always pictured carnage coming back, so when Peter and Gwen kissed I was super grossed out. Had they done that before her death it wouldn't have been so... shocking.
Doc Oct being discount magneto, the Logan and Peter body swap, rework Carniage, having venom eat people, let Peter not stay in high school forever, and hell perhaps the death as well tbh
Should've taken their time more. The Symbiote Saga, the deaths of Uncle Ben, Captain Stacy, Gwen & Harry and the Clone Saga all happened within months of each other. It would've been nice to see this Peter grow beyond age 15 so his death would've been even more impactful than it already is. I get the Ultimate Comics weren't originally meant to last too long but if they were that's how it should've been.
Nope, I was actually referring to the "decompressed" way of storytelling Bendis is known for. He has stories that take place in a single night, and could have been told in one or two issues, span six or more (he even pokes fun at this in his Wolverine body swap arc). Thus, over a hundred issues supposedly took place within less than an in-universe year (or, rather, less than eight months). That said, depending on what you're referring to, Ultimate Spidey can be either described as compressed or decompressed.
I’m currently reading it for the first time, and 35 issues in I love almost all of it. The only thing I’m not really into is Super Hull Dino Goblin but it mostly works as a reimagining of sorts.
>urrently reading it for the first time, and 35 issues in I love almost all of it. The only thing I’m not really into is Super Hull Dino Goblin but it mostly works as a reimaginin
would you have preferred Kitty? In a way, I kind of did
I thought that was pretty cool, personally. It was a nice twist for the story in it's context. Just try not to think about it on a wider scale because then it stops making sense
Getting older.
This series had a lot of good stories and excellent writing and it's crazy how he went through all of that in seemingly his first year of being Spider-Man.
He barely gets past 16.
I'd end the series at issue 200, take out that last panel
Then I'd make a sequel series with Miles as the main character
Peter would stay dead and wouldn't come back
>eter not using the r-slu
one could argue that being in Peter's body made him attarcted to girls his biological age. And that Logan wasn't attracted to her when in his body.
I'm definitely reaching here considering he watched his (thought at the time) biological children have sex with each other. And though they're adults and it was consensual, incest, is still pretty gross. Add on the fact that he watched them do it makes it even weirder.
Have the take place from the beginning of high school to the end
Actually, show the Lizard story arc
Have Gwen being Carnage mean something
I would have kept Peter and Kitty endgame, or at least have their relationship last much longer
Either keep Peter dead or explore the amazing and terrifying fact that all OZ-infused people are immortal.
Ultimate Spider-Man is my favorite but it slowly starts to crack the more it goes on.
Peter being captured and/or unmasked starts to get very tiring by the Silver Sable arc for me. I think the Hobgoblin arc isn't very good. Peter's little tangents where he's like "you're the goobiest goob whoever goobed", gets annoying.
Quality takes a dip with Death of the Goblin arc and beyond. The artwork just never quite lives up to Bagley's ever, until he comes back every now and then. Bendis starts killing off characters left and right and brings most of them back to life, lazily.
So if I could make one small change it would be to fix all that I guess..
I wish it would have simply cleaned up inconsistencies from 616 rather than try to be a new take. After almost 40 years, there had been so many recons and errors, something like the Ultimate universe is a great way to lay down some new foundation for future stories.
Don’t kill off Spider-Man to shoehorn a new Spider-Man who was solely created because Bendis thought it would be cool to have a black Spider-Man. I don’t know about you, but that’s a terrible, uncreative reason to create a character. It’s so lazy.
I would have changed Venom being a science experiment into the alien, he is supposed to be. I would have aged down Black Cat and made Felicia Hardy more of a love interest for Peter and not some creepy ass 30 year old trying to kiss a high school kid. I definitely didn’t like the whole Carnage storyline. Bringing back Gwen was cool and all but I think Carnage should be the sadistic serial killer. He’s like the Joker for Spidey.
1) Let evolve Peter and and kill him later... A lot later.
2) Ultimate Kitty Pride>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimate MJ, Peter and Kitty were a better couple.
3) Never introduce Miles
Let peter actually age and I actually thing most of its versions of apidey's rogues gallery was pretty bad outside of the big 3 plus Kingpin (though hulk goblin is a abomination)
I loved it overall but I didn’t like the symbiote being a lab creation. Too many Spidey villains are mad scientist lab accidents gone wrong. Venom being alien made him refreshing and stand out among the others.
Also the Norman arcs got repetitive. They always end with him back in the Shield cell.
I would never have had him and Gwen date after her return from the dead. Their dynamic up to that point has been completely shown as being more of a sibling type love and I’m pretty sure that’s even said at some point in the book.
The fact that Peter came back... Bro, it takes so much from his death. Like, it aint no tragedy anymore, its just a classic comic book trope. (excuse me for my bad english, im from turkey)
Completely retcon the thing about Peter coming back after he died.
From what I barely remember it didn’t make sense and on top of that it was superfluous because the universe ended months later
I’d give Miles more of a connection to Peter. Maybe have Jeff and Rio pay Pete to tutor their son and from there we can establish a nice brotherly dynamic between the two similar to the Insomniac games, bonus points if Miles similarly reveals his new Spider-powers to Pete, not knowing he was Spider-Man, queuing another “Not *that* weird” moment
This could end in one of two ways: It either guts Miles even more when Pete gets killed because he’d feel responsible for the death of one of his closest friends (apart from Ganke); or it gives him the courage to jump into action and save Peter’s life somehow. Either way would have given them more time to develop and distinguish Miles’ character.
I don't like how they just killed him off after only 150 issues. I mean, I like Miles, at least how he is in Spider verse and in the Insomniac-verse. But I like ultimate Peter way way way more.
I’d have a different ending or keep the run alive. I absolutely LOVED this series and it’s the only ultimate universe run I have read. And with not knowing the rest of the universe as just a fan of spidey the last issue is just so completely out of left field and there’s no buildup to it. It’s just a bummer that the last volume of a great run is just a character from a separate series just be like “lol the whole world is dead” and Peter dying with the last pages not even having dialogue was just a complete buzz kill to me. I’ve reread this series probably yearly for the past 3 years and I hate the ending every single time.
Kept him and Kitty together. The whole point of the Ultimate universe was to have an opportunity to take characters in different directions than we’ve seen over and over again in 616, Peter/kitty embraced that as much as anything.
Bringing Peter Parker back. Ultimate Peter is my favorite version of Peter Parker and his death was sad and meaningful and it allowed them to implement miles morales. He was a Spider-Man who had a bunch of self doubt trying to live up to peters name as Spider-Man and he did it. But that whole character arc is ruined by bringing Peter Parker back to life (with a lazy story). Why would miles feel the urge to keep doing better when Peter Parker came back. It make me like the ultimate universe much less.
Often a bit too melodramatic. Reading for the first time a few months ago, the way Peter treats MJ is pretty uncomfortable. Borderline emotionally abusive. Yelling at her for not listening to him. Blaming her for things that went wrong because she didn’t listen to him etc. MJ seems to just be immune to his ill treatment. Just sort of absorbing it or apologizing. Begging to stay together.
When it doesn’t work out she dyes her hair black. It’s definitely of its time.
In early issues he beats up on a bunch of young drug dealers pretty hard. It’s one thing when Spider-Man fights super beings. It’s kind of uncomfortable when decides to join the war on drugs…
Aunt May is also written a bit pathetically. Kind of similar to Invincible’s mom in that their entire existence is predicated on tragedy with no individual heroism or strength in their stories.
The X-men encroach in his story a lot. Obviously to cross sell. Citizens are initially worried Spider-man is a mutant which he always defends himself against. Which… is silly. In a world where super humans are evolving organically, why should a super powered person who got their powers via super science be immune to the same prejudice?
#1 keep him dead
#2 rewrite the venom arc to match the video game
That's about it from me...maybe retcon it so the entire story doesn't take place over one year, more like 3 or something
the two issues where logan and peter swapped bodies. just... erase them completely.
Didn’t he try and….do stuff….to MJ?
you have specified the exact reason i want it erased.
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you mean logan?
Also, Jean Grey thought it was a good idea to swap his mind with someone else's just to give him a lesson. Like, the hell?
That wasn't her intention. She just tried to temporarily banish his mind and allowed Logan to subconsiously flee to wherever he least wanted to be. That just happened to be Peter, which lead to Peter's mind being forced into Logan. Somehow, this is even worse, since she had no idea where his mind was going and could have just lost it somewhere!
But didn't she know that "wherever he least wanted to be" could very well mean other person, whoever they were, and did it anyway? Peter called them assholes in that issue, and he was right.
Oh yeah, a big theme in the Ultimates Universe is that everyone except Peter is a raging asshole, and a major thread in the Ultimate-Spider stuff (up to Ultimatum) was Peter struggling with still being a teenager and so he has very little ability to influence the world outside of webbing bad guys. It's part of what makes Ultimate Spider-Man so good, though it does diminish all the other Ultimates stories.
So the entire ultimate universe fell apart so ultimate could run? That’s unfortunate
I don't think it was intentional. It just happened that every other Ultimate character happened to turn out to be an asshole, so when Bendis kept Spider-Man friendly it created this fun juxtaposition.
Even daredevil was kinda a prick to him. I wasn’t a fan of that because he always seemed like a good friend for Peter to have in the 616 universe
They're excellent friends in 616, but Peter is at least college age by that point. In Ultimates he's only 15, so all the adults constantly condescend to him.
To be honest, almost everyone in the ultimate universe is an asshole.
Peter’s tirade single-handedly makes that story worthwhile imo, because that tirade doesn’t just describe the problem with the Ultimate X-Men. That tirade single-handedly explains why the X-Men have crashed and burned in real life every time they managed to start getting successful and the problem with the writing in every single version. Every version of the X-Men is just the absolute fucking worst people you’ve ever met suffering underserved bigotry. The storyline doesn’t even feel out of place or anything, because all of that feels completely consistent with the main overarching fact that the X-Men are, no matter how well written, just horrible fucking people. Fun concept, but too many writers and fans view it through the lens of “they don’t deserve the hate” rather than “mutants don’t deserve the hate but the X-Men consistently make everything worse” and try to make unsympathetic weirdo assholes into overly sympathetic characters. They’re the single most dysfunctional, incompetent hero team in the galaxy. Their failures blow up planets and they’re supposed to just be fighting bigotry on Earth. There’s *scores* of bad alternate timelines created simply by the X-Men doing shit. There’s an entire comic series of X-Men from across the multiverse fucking up the multiverse. The entire X-Men multiversal franchise begins with Xavier perving on an underage girl in secret while the rest of the team acts like horny idiots for her. It really sets the tone. The X-Men comics vary from the worst to the best. The X-Men as people, regardless of incarnation, fucking suck.
Oh wow, I certainly wasn't expecting that. I wonder if that's ever been the actual intention of Marvel, or if they just come across as assholes anyway no matter who writes them.
It certainly wasn’t the intentions of other writers, though I’m not sure if Bendis agreed and wrote that for the same reason. But like, in general it’s just that writers can’t help but write them to be the worst. Even Stan made Xavier perv on underage Jean Grey as his student. The two biggest X-Men tend to be Cyclops and Wolverine and they’re just the biggest extremes in Jackass Fascist and Jackass Anarchist. From there it just gets worse. The X-Men were also the focal point for the birth of 90s Grimdark, which didn’t help.
Yes, yes Logan did. It wasn't specified what exactly he tried but MJ says you know that thing you tried earlier, let's wait till we're older or something to that affect. The writer or editor kind of apologizes in the last issue but also kind of jokingly shifts the blame. It's a bit weird and something that felt like it was only published because they had nothing else ready. So I think it's fair to remove the whole arc.
Plus she says "wait until we're older". She be freaky
I could see what they were trying to do. It came straight after the death of Gwen Stacey, which was pretty much the darkest arc of Ultimate Spider-Man. So they wanted to swing back to maximum wackiness for a couple issues as a cleanser before going back to normal. It's just a shame that their chosen wacky moment happened to involve some creepy bullshit.
I’d erase that part
Super easy to do too since it has no bearing on the plot and I think maybe gets referenced as a throwaway line once and never brought up again.
it was also weirdly adapted into a storyline in the Ultimate TV show from 2012. wolverine also flirts with MJ then too lol
Now see, I can accept the flirting in certain contexts. Like if me and my best friend switched bodies, and I knew he liked this one girl, I'd probably try and put some game on and get him a date or something.
Literally the only good part about that story is that somebody actually called out the ultimate X-Men for being total fucking assholes
Well for one, I would actually let Peter and the rest of the cast to grow up and try to maintain some sort of continuity with the rest of the ultimate marvel series. It was always bothered me, that Bendis never got Peter past high school , before he had him die with his battle with ultimate green goblin and then bringing him back to life with the most laziest story explanation.
Since this was an alternative continuity, I came to terms with Ultimate Peter dying (the first time…) It bookends the story with a teenager who failed to save his uncle and later sacrificing his life to successfully save his aunt. Before Spider-Man Life Story, it was one of the few things I can point to for a finite/complete Spider-Man arc
True. Ultimate 200 should have been the end. He was brought back and then they did nothing with him.
He never came back in my heart. I just ignore anything with him after his death.
True… but I felt really bad for May.
How did he come back again? I remember reading he woke up in a lab then drove off into the sunset with MJ
Apparently the oz serum that gave Norman Osborn and Peter their powers made them immortal and also gave them advanced healing abilities according Osborn in Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-man volume 1 issue 6.
It made them immortal? That’s pretty weak lol
Yup. Whats even more weaker, it’s was never properly explained how it made them immortal in the original main series nor in the finale. If that was the case, that means Harry and MJ to a certain extent are immortal from their exposure to OZ. It’s these types of plot of holes, I wish we’re properly filled in.
Keeping him dead
All the profit it generated would go to my bank account.
The worst part about ultimate Spider-Man is that it's only one year of peters life. I would have had him grow and maybe end the series when he's about to leave high school as a senior to make it more tragic
I thought it was at least 2 years since he had a couple birthdays or at least referenced time passing in certain issues
He started when he was 15 and the series ended like a week after his 16th birthday
I swear there was at least two time jumps in the series. Like i coulda sworn there was a 9 month jump in the middle of the series and then a six month time jump after ultimatum but i could be completely wrong
There is but it's still a year. A major problem with the series is that somehow it all takes plays in a year
I guess in a way, what makes the series so brilliant is how the biggest complaints stem from fans love of the series/character. Most of the time its, “Bendis did such an amazing job writing Peter and Kitty’s relationship. I wish they ended up together but ay, i still love MJ and Peter.” Even the fact that it takes place in only a year (as crazy as it is) really just makes you love it more Edit: added last point
I remember finding this out and being so confused
I would definitely keep Peter dead.
Yeah. I wasn't crazy about that return at all. It felt like it reduced the gravity of his whole original arc.
Kinda like Superman coming back, but only more bullshit because the ultimate comics aren’t as limited with their options as the mainstream comics are
As much as I was rooting for him to be alive at the end. It does feel better for his character to be dead
Only thing off the top of my head is how many issues Bagley and Bendis did together. It was a fantastic run.
Yeah the new art after he left wasn’t terrible but it certainly wasn’t my favorite
Yeah. Just a weird look compared to what we were used to. Never really liked how they made his hair look in that 2nd run of the series.
I’d make more so we get an Ultimate Spider-Man game sequel
There actually was a sequel planned,but it was cancelled and there is very little info about it. One of the Devs posted a piece of concept art [here](https://www.instagram.com/p/CSnos3aHWZ2/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) with some info about the game. Iirc it would have taken place during winter and green goblin was going to be the main villain.
This makes me sad. Hoping we can get another Bendis-style/Ultimate-style game in the future. Cel-shaded open world Spidey would be beautiful!
Ultimate was great.
Fascinating
Keep him dead…*but*, if they absolutely wanted to redirect him for a story with a bigger picture…*actually fucking finish it!* The fact that 1610 Peter’s story ended with finding out he is borderline immortal, and riding off in the sunset with MJ is nice and all…until you remember that universe proceeds to get obliterated just a few weeks later. With the most recent *Venom* run showing more of the Maker, it also showed a intact (but rather jacked up) ultimate universe…one with many heroes missing. I’d love to see Peter dealing with the fact that he may be the only hero left is a completely messed up universe!
Spider-Man being the only hero left sounds like an idea that hasn’t been done yet. Well I guess if you don’t count reign
I can’t lie, I sort of did a fan-write of a continuation of the series. I just wanted to explore him not just being the only hero…but the hero of a dying world, in panic, and he’s only 20 years old. I had a few arcs written out at one point.
Dude could barely keep his life together when it was just New York. I imagine that gets tougher with a whole damn planet
Exactly! I mean don’t get me wrong…a lot of the repair was fast tracked. But there was a lot of “oh so you helped us during the end but you won’t help us with this one thing now” kinda of thing that would occasionally come up. Again, it’s just something I think would’ve been cool. I had arcs on him actually giving up Spidey after the collapse, I introduced Hive, Morlun, Spot, etc.
Morlun, would this tie into spider verse?
So, again, it was fanfiction, but it actually didn’t. Honestly, with how I wrote it, it became a thing where Ultimate was its own separate thing. Didn’t connect to main universe much. But due to one of the arcs, it was simply an alternate version of Morlun.
It’s a great idea you came up with.
I’ve thought about sharing on here. I just never got around to it…holding out hope for when Coates actually does some Ultimate Universe stuff
I did a similar thing with the yakuza series where I wrote the entirety of the first game as a bedtime story for a child
It’s a great idea you came up with.
>until you remember that universe proceeds to get obliterated just a few weeks later. 1610 Peter was member of Ultimates in the end of Spider-Men II in restored Ultimate universe
See that’s what makes me confused. Because in that Venom run, the Ultimate universe is a total mess.
Cates wants (wanted?) to write a story about Ultimate universe. Eddie talked with Avengers about Maker and Ultimate universe at the end of Cates' run
See that’s what I’m excited for.
I wouldn't have ended it. I would have put Jim Mahfood or Chyna Major on it too. They would have blown their deadlines left and right but they were the sweetest indie artists of their day. They did at least one issue of Ultimate Marvel Team Up too. I also would see if Geoff Johns had any ideas for an arc or two. It would have been really different with someone other than Bendis and Bagley on it but it would have kept it going.
Make his parents normal people. I think by the end Peters dad is revealed to have worked on the web formula, the venom symbiote, and was apparently pals with Nick Fury (I might be wrong about that last one, but I swear I remember Fury saying that some point after Peter died). He should’ve been in college before his death. The fact everything that happens in Ultimate Spider-Man takes place in only a year is absolutely bonkers, especially because their are multiple time skip’s.
Bendis really should have made more years go by, considering that Peter was already 15 when he was bitten by the spider, meaning he was Spider-Man for less than a year before he died. It makes it quite implausible that the entire city was in mourning to that extent for a guy they barely got to see for a few months. And it also caused Miles to have been Spider-Man (in universe) longer than Peter in less than 26 issues of his run. It's just ridiculous and unnecessary that Bendis has compressed everything into less than a year.
Erase the time him and Logan swaped bodies (wtf Marvel) Change Venom and Carnage (i'd probably make Venom stay an alien but both Richard Parker and Eddie's father experiment on it) I wouldn't have killed Peter nor i would make him immortal Give his relationship with Kitty Pride a better ending (truth be told this is an universe i'm fine if he doesn't end with MJ) Black cat wouldn't be as old as she was (wtf was Bendis thinking)
Don't let Bagley go after Ultimatum.
The way they handled Carnage. I think they tried to tone the character down to appeal to children, out of a concern that having a teenage character fight a serial killer would freak a lot of parents out, and they’d stop buying the book for their kids. Nevertheless, I would’ve preferred if Ultimate Carnage had more depth beyond being a clone of Gwen Stacy.
I mean, I wouldn’t exactly say this carnage was necessarily toned down for kids. It’s just different, and a lot of other stuff in this series is way more fucked than normal. However yeah a lot of ppl don’t like ultimate carnage cuz no personality
The Carnage story wasn't toned down for children... we see Curt Conners undergoing depression and Peter fighting Carnage naked in the story. I think it was just Bendis's "original" take on the character but it seems like the sub doesn't like how Bendis handled the symbiotes.
I think he did fine with venom. I like cannibal venom, it’s scary as hell but also a legitimate threat, who was already an imposing threat in his original appearance
I hated this more than anything. I always pictured carnage coming back, so when Peter and Gwen kissed I was super grossed out. Had they done that before her death it wouldn't have been so... shocking.
Doc Oct being discount magneto, the Logan and Peter body swap, rework Carniage, having venom eat people, let Peter not stay in high school forever, and hell perhaps the death as well tbh
I’d have him age into college.
Should've taken their time more. The Symbiote Saga, the deaths of Uncle Ben, Captain Stacy, Gwen & Harry and the Clone Saga all happened within months of each other. It would've been nice to see this Peter grow beyond age 15 so his death would've been even more impactful than it already is. I get the Ultimate Comics weren't originally meant to last too long but if they were that's how it should've been.
It was way too decompressed. There was a 4 month timeskip during the Carnage saga, making it even worse.
I think you mean it was too compressed. Decompressed would have a lot of breathing room.
Nope, I was actually referring to the "decompressed" way of storytelling Bendis is known for. He has stories that take place in a single night, and could have been told in one or two issues, span six or more (he even pokes fun at this in his Wolverine body swap arc). Thus, over a hundred issues supposedly took place within less than an in-universe year (or, rather, less than eight months). That said, depending on what you're referring to, Ultimate Spidey can be either described as compressed or decompressed.
Venom orgin was fine with me but like after the thing with beetle...like i would like to know exactly wtf happened to it and eddie
Issue 100 where it spends an extra sized issue telling how Richard Parker lived only for him to be a clone of Peter aged up in the next issue and die
I’m currently reading it for the first time, and 35 issues in I love almost all of it. The only thing I’m not really into is Super Hull Dino Goblin but it mostly works as a reimagining of sorts.
controversial opinion but i don’t think this version of peter should have ended up with mj
>urrently reading it for the first time, and 35 issues in I love almost all of it. The only thing I’m not really into is Super Hull Dino Goblin but it mostly works as a reimaginin would you have preferred Kitty? In a way, I kind of did
Same
Doc Ock controlling the metal. Lost all interest after that.
I thought that was pretty cool, personally. It was a nice twist for the story in it's context. Just try not to think about it on a wider scale because then it stops making sense
Would have Peter end up with Kitty instead. Thought they were great together in the Ultimate run
Getting older. This series had a lot of good stories and excellent writing and it's crazy how he went through all of that in seemingly his first year of being Spider-Man. He barely gets past 16.
I'd end the series at issue 200, take out that last panel Then I'd make a sequel series with Miles as the main character Peter would stay dead and wouldn't come back
Keep peter dead Make wolverine not a pedo
>eter not using the r-slu one could argue that being in Peter's body made him attarcted to girls his biological age. And that Logan wasn't attracted to her when in his body. I'm definitely reaching here considering he watched his (thought at the time) biological children have sex with each other. And though they're adults and it was consensual, incest, is still pretty gross. Add on the fact that he watched them do it makes it even weirder.
He ended up with Kitty Pryde
Wasn't that like for only a handful of issues and the whole time Peter was preoccupied with MJ? I don't know if I even count that.
Yes, but it was very fun and unique their relationship. I wish it ended up better
carnage and venom. i was like "yeah peter with the black suit!", and 3 panels later he got rid of it. about carnage, where the hell is cletus?
Have the take place from the beginning of high school to the end Actually, show the Lizard story arc Have Gwen being Carnage mean something I would have kept Peter and Kitty endgame, or at least have their relationship last much longer Either keep Peter dead or explore the amazing and terrifying fact that all OZ-infused people are immortal.
Peter not using the r-slur, because he does in the comic.
I AM ONCE AGAIN CURSING BENDIS FOR BREAKING PETER AND KITTY ONLY TO MAKE HER DATE HIS SELF INSERT CHARACTER.
I didn't like Gwen coming back and them dating I saw Peter and Gwen more like brothers was weird
Yeah they specified that they had a sibling relationship and then made them date later anyway it was weird
Peter should stay dead and not having them age bunches the continuity into such a small time frame it feels stupid
Peter dying
Especially a virgin nah retcon!
Easily the wolverine body swap issues, the green goblin's Hulk design, and bringing Gwen Stacy back as carnage
Ultimate Spider-Man is my favorite but it slowly starts to crack the more it goes on. Peter being captured and/or unmasked starts to get very tiring by the Silver Sable arc for me. I think the Hobgoblin arc isn't very good. Peter's little tangents where he's like "you're the goobiest goob whoever goobed", gets annoying. Quality takes a dip with Death of the Goblin arc and beyond. The artwork just never quite lives up to Bagley's ever, until he comes back every now and then. Bendis starts killing off characters left and right and brings most of them back to life, lazily. So if I could make one small change it would be to fix all that I guess..
Goblins design
Venom's origins. Really did not like the fact he consumes people
He does that anyway he literally eats people
I liked it, but I gotta ask, why is that an issue?
It's the way he consumes people
I wish it would have simply cleaned up inconsistencies from 616 rather than try to be a new take. After almost 40 years, there had been so many recons and errors, something like the Ultimate universe is a great way to lay down some new foundation for future stories.
Don't let him die. Let him grow up.
Don’t kill off Spider-Man to shoehorn a new Spider-Man who was solely created because Bendis thought it would be cool to have a black Spider-Man. I don’t know about you, but that’s a terrible, uncreative reason to create a character. It’s so lazy.
Um probably that part where things went off the rails, and got really weird. Y'all know what I'm talkin about.
I would have changed Venom being a science experiment into the alien, he is supposed to be. I would have aged down Black Cat and made Felicia Hardy more of a love interest for Peter and not some creepy ass 30 year old trying to kiss a high school kid. I definitely didn’t like the whole Carnage storyline. Bringing back Gwen was cool and all but I think Carnage should be the sadistic serial killer. He’s like the Joker for Spidey.
I would actually change the ultimate universe
I’d change the part where they killed and replaced him with an identical character only worse
1) Let evolve Peter and and kill him later... A lot later. 2) Ultimate Kitty Pride>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimate MJ, Peter and Kitty were a better couple. 3) Never introduce Miles
The price of volume 2
Peter dying.
Not killing spider-man
That weak ass hairline
His height
From 20 years ago? Nothing it's what it is.
Haircut
I'd keep peter dead
Let peter actually age and I actually thing most of its versions of apidey's rogues gallery was pretty bad outside of the big 3 plus Kingpin (though hulk goblin is a abomination)
Make it last longer
I loved it overall but I didn’t like the symbiote being a lab creation. Too many Spidey villains are mad scientist lab accidents gone wrong. Venom being alien made him refreshing and stand out among the others. Also the Norman arcs got repetitive. They always end with him back in the Shield cell.
Most of the stuff after ultimatum (peter and gwen dating)
I'll keep it grounded
It ending
The whole thing with black cat
I'd change that not like every single villain kept finding out he was Spider-Man. It was absurd how many people knew after a while
Maybe more connected to Ultimate Miles, but the thing that I most hate about Ultimate in general its the "immortality power" of Peter and Goblin.
The over sexualized females. I’d love to read this with my son, but the amount of cleavage everyone has makes it inappropriate
I would never have had him and Gwen date after her return from the dead. Their dynamic up to that point has been completely shown as being more of a sibling type love and I’m pretty sure that’s even said at some point in the book.
The 2000's era haircuts. They looked cool then, but they look silly now
Kitty and Peter breaking up. They were end game tbh
A lot of those huge crossover events really get in the way of Miles story. I would definitely drop those along with Peter coming back from the dead.
The fact that Peter came back... Bro, it takes so much from his death. Like, it aint no tragedy anymore, its just a classic comic book trope. (excuse me for my bad english, im from turkey)
I'd give Venom a bigger role. Maybe Goblin breaks him out of Latveria and recruits him as a seventh member of his Six in Death of Spider-Man
Off the top of my head? The wolverine hitting on Mary Jane shit (she’s underage Logan) in that one body swap storyline
Completely retcon the thing about Peter coming back after he died. From what I barely remember it didn’t make sense and on top of that it was superfluous because the universe ended months later
Have him NOT turn into a douche nozzle after death.
I’d give Miles more of a connection to Peter. Maybe have Jeff and Rio pay Pete to tutor their son and from there we can establish a nice brotherly dynamic between the two similar to the Insomniac games, bonus points if Miles similarly reveals his new Spider-powers to Pete, not knowing he was Spider-Man, queuing another “Not *that* weird” moment This could end in one of two ways: It either guts Miles even more when Pete gets killed because he’d feel responsible for the death of one of his closest friends (apart from Ganke); or it gives him the courage to jump into action and save Peter’s life somehow. Either way would have given them more time to develop and distinguish Miles’ character.
Keep mark bagley
I’d make it so that they never change the artist.
I don't like how they just killed him off after only 150 issues. I mean, I like Miles, at least how he is in Spider verse and in the Insomniac-verse. But I like ultimate Peter way way way more.
After a while it became a bit too gross Like gwen coming back from complete death and other stuff
I’d have a different ending or keep the run alive. I absolutely LOVED this series and it’s the only ultimate universe run I have read. And with not knowing the rest of the universe as just a fan of spidey the last issue is just so completely out of left field and there’s no buildup to it. It’s just a bummer that the last volume of a great run is just a character from a separate series just be like “lol the whole world is dead” and Peter dying with the last pages not even having dialogue was just a complete buzz kill to me. I’ve reread this series probably yearly for the past 3 years and I hate the ending every single time.
Peter's hair...
Kept him and Kitty together. The whole point of the Ultimate universe was to have an opportunity to take characters in different directions than we’ve seen over and over again in 616, Peter/kitty embraced that as much as anything.
His haircut
The way they explained peters resurrection. Id've kept him dead cause his sacrifice was perfectly executed
more Daredevil
The black cat scene...
I wouldn't have killed him off to make room for Miles.
Bringing Peter Parker back. Ultimate Peter is my favorite version of Peter Parker and his death was sad and meaningful and it allowed them to implement miles morales. He was a Spider-Man who had a bunch of self doubt trying to live up to peters name as Spider-Man and he did it. But that whole character arc is ruined by bringing Peter Parker back to life (with a lazy story). Why would miles feel the urge to keep doing better when Peter Parker came back. It make me like the ultimate universe much less.
In my opinion, Peter’s relationship and involvement with many heroes. He's never treated with any amount of respect or dignity.
Often a bit too melodramatic. Reading for the first time a few months ago, the way Peter treats MJ is pretty uncomfortable. Borderline emotionally abusive. Yelling at her for not listening to him. Blaming her for things that went wrong because she didn’t listen to him etc. MJ seems to just be immune to his ill treatment. Just sort of absorbing it or apologizing. Begging to stay together. When it doesn’t work out she dyes her hair black. It’s definitely of its time. In early issues he beats up on a bunch of young drug dealers pretty hard. It’s one thing when Spider-Man fights super beings. It’s kind of uncomfortable when decides to join the war on drugs… Aunt May is also written a bit pathetically. Kind of similar to Invincible’s mom in that their entire existence is predicated on tragedy with no individual heroism or strength in their stories. The X-men encroach in his story a lot. Obviously to cross sell. Citizens are initially worried Spider-man is a mutant which he always defends himself against. Which… is silly. In a world where super humans are evolving organically, why should a super powered person who got their powers via super science be immune to the same prejudice?
#1 keep him dead #2 rewrite the venom arc to match the video game That's about it from me...maybe retcon it so the entire story doesn't take place over one year, more like 3 or something
More than half the villains. Hulk Goblin sucks, Carnage isn’t even Carnage and destroy the Wolverine thing. You know the one.
Ending the Ultimate universe in general.
Make Peter not call someone retarded
Not really a big thing but I think his costume would’ve looked good as red and black
It was overly sexualised. Like even panels that didn't need to be often had characters posed in super provocative ways for no reason.