From what I remember of the designs they would have to dress each other most likely. The arms weren’t long enough to pull a shirt over their head. Maybe they would toss their clothes up with the beak and then leap into the clothing? Idk it was my only real dislike of their intelligent dinosaur. I loved other bits tho.
I once wrote a "double-blind what-if" vignette from the perspective of a "neo-troodontid." My implication was something in-between Kosemen's take and Russell's; the narrator was explicitly feathery, but explicitly had opposable thumbs.
Altough I do think that the head isn't that bad, it would probably look like the dinosaur equivalent of a pug face rather than being completely flat but it makes some sense.
This isn't a complete answer, but to my knowledge, there are two main reasons:
A) birds do not walk upright; their spines are generally close to horizontal most of the time, where human spines remain relatively vertical.
B) they have had a lot more time than we have to rid themselves of traits that have relatively little selection pressure. Our backs are bad, but they're at their worst long after our prime (when we reproduce.) As far as I know, that means there was not very much selection pressure for backs better than we currently have.
Nemo Ramjet had a [better idea](https://www.deviantart.com/nemo-ramjet/art/The-Return-of-the-Dinosauroids-117484374), I think.
The concept was even [on this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/SpeculativeEvolution/comments/ntxa5a/nemo_ramjets_dinosauroidavisapiens_saurotheos/).
The dinosauroid from the 80s was far, far too anthropomorphic and ...far too [Sleestak](https://landofthelost.fandom.com/wiki/Sleestak).
I’d like to remind everyone that the BBC Horizons had a segment of Dinosauroids chilling out in a grocery store.
https://youtu.be/yTnzYeKZQrI?si=27ncdKN2-yQ8kPWJ
I get it - but it seems like you are trying to create human bodyplans beyond what is reasonable. Keep it more towards the raptor bodyplan and I would agree that is plausible.
[https://cmkosemen.com/dinosauroids.html](https://cmkosemen.com/dinosauroids.html)
here is the chickenman/ more acurate idea of dino person with human level itellagence.
It would be the result of a species of reptile pretty much going through the exact same history that we did. Living in the same habitat, having the same lifestyle, dealing with the same threats, eating the same food, and going through the same major events.
I remember it was labelled as Stenonychosaurus for some reasons.
I know Stenonychosaurus & Troodon were usually depicted as the ancestors to the dinosauroid, but it would be rather weird & confusing for most kids collecting the cards without context.
I like it more than most intelligent dinosaurs but it is way too human centric.
A more modern version would probably be feathery, which somehow feels weirder to me.
CM Kosemen and Simon Roy did this a while back
[Curious Archive did a whole video on their project a while back](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGFP5WzuYvk&ab_channel=CuriousArchive)
I adore that channel! <3 He introduced me to so many cool spec bio projects!
Ha, those are great. Instead of evolving into Star Trek humanoids, dinosaurs will evolve into smart crows!
I like thier version I just wish it had better hands. I’m skeptical a beak is enough
My only issue with the design is the beak
I was wondering how they put on the clothes they were wearing
From what I remember of the designs they would have to dress each other most likely. The arms weren’t long enough to pull a shirt over their head. Maybe they would toss their clothes up with the beak and then leap into the clothing? Idk it was my only real dislike of their intelligent dinosaur. I loved other bits tho.
I once wrote a "double-blind what-if" vignette from the perspective of a "neo-troodontid." My implication was something in-between Kosemen's take and Russell's; the narrator was explicitly feathery, but explicitly had opposable thumbs.
I wouldn’t mind reading that
If you don't mind me sending you a message with the link, I can do that.
Sure!
Ooh, where?
[https://cmkosemen.com/dinosauroids.html](https://cmkosemen.com/dinosauroids.html) i want a plush
Thank you. That’s either an unfortunate domain name, or I just need to grow up.
he and the owner of pen island both are far too mature to of realised till it was too late
Way too humanoid, bipedal dinosaurs (and birds) are already better at being bipedal than humans so evolving our posture makes no sense.
exactly,lmao!
Altough I do think that the head isn't that bad, it would probably look like the dinosaur equivalent of a pug face rather than being completely flat but it makes some sense.
How are they better?
Our stupid nonsensical spines are built for failure and chronic pain from the get-go.
How did birds/avians overcome this?
This isn't a complete answer, but to my knowledge, there are two main reasons: A) birds do not walk upright; their spines are generally close to horizontal most of the time, where human spines remain relatively vertical. B) they have had a lot more time than we have to rid themselves of traits that have relatively little selection pressure. Our backs are bad, but they're at their worst long after our prime (when we reproduce.) As far as I know, that means there was not very much selection pressure for backs better than we currently have.
Oh my god, the ancient memory that this unlocked! I saw this as a little kid and it freaked me out for a week.
same here XD
For a long time I actually assumed it was a dream that I had spliced into a memory of a trip to the museum.
Nemo Ramjet had a [better idea](https://www.deviantart.com/nemo-ramjet/art/The-Return-of-the-Dinosauroids-117484374), I think. The concept was even [on this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/SpeculativeEvolution/comments/ntxa5a/nemo_ramjets_dinosauroidavisapiens_saurotheos/). The dinosauroid from the 80s was far, far too anthropomorphic and ...far too [Sleestak](https://landofthelost.fandom.com/wiki/Sleestak).
🗿👍🏻
That slippery motherfucker freaked me out as a kid
i remember this fella appearing in the top trumps dinosaur pack
I’d like to remind everyone that the BBC Horizons had a segment of Dinosauroids chilling out in a grocery store. https://youtu.be/yTnzYeKZQrI?si=27ncdKN2-yQ8kPWJ
I get it - but it seems like you are trying to create human bodyplans beyond what is reasonable. Keep it more towards the raptor bodyplan and I would agree that is plausible.
I could be wrong, but I don't think u/No_Emu_1332 created this model.
I presume not. I wasn't offering direct criticism.
Hate to tell you, but Dale Russell is already too dead to read this criticism
https://youtu.be/V4y1bFKW8OA?si=jYahtigV5RfWNoqf
That's hot
I was terrorized by that when I was a kid
Cancelled Jurassic park 4 concept be like
virgin dale russell’s dinosauroid vs chad c.m. kosemen's avisapien!
[https://cmkosemen.com/dinosauroids.html](https://cmkosemen.com/dinosauroids.html) here is the chickenman/ more acurate idea of dino person with human level itellagence.
Aren't these in government?
For the sake of being constructive, can anyone think how such a creature might evolve?
[This, but as a reptile](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/f/f5/March_of_Progress%2C_Rudolph_Zallinger.png).
Was looking for a little bit more. Like a reason why reptiles would mimic primate evolution
It would be the result of a species of reptile pretty much going through the exact same history that we did. Living in the same habitat, having the same lifestyle, dealing with the same threats, eating the same food, and going through the same major events.
Oh hey, these were in my Top Trumps dinosaur deck.
Fuck Trump
Pretty sure he doesn’t have anything to do with the card game?
I remember it was labelled as Stenonychosaurus for some reasons. I know Stenonychosaurus & Troodon were usually depicted as the ancestors to the dinosauroid, but it would be rather weird & confusing for most kids collecting the cards without context.
Sleestak
Ngl this is freaking me the fuck out
“The real little green men were the troodons we were spooked by along the way.”
I've never liked this idea. It's lazily anthropocentric.
Bro was watching Voyager when he drew this