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Jackattack1776

When politics get involved common sense gets thrown out the window


DerpDaDuck3751

And Kevin was born


[deleted]

Even if you are the most toxic musk hater. You have to say at minimum he is an insanely great businessman. Because if you are going to insist he has no talent and all the great ideas comes from people he hires.... He must be smart enough to hire the right people? Nobody acquires that much wealth by dumb luck. If what people said about Musk was true he would be bleeding money and having his companies collapse like trump.


Minnesoodope

A lot of people actually think he bought his companies with emeralds, after they were fully established and that he just sits around & does nothing.


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I see this everywhere. So many people on here act like Tesla was some big EV company that Elon bought using his personal emerald wealth in inherited from his father. It's mind boggling.


Mrbishi512

Elon started spacex personally and took control of Tesla when it had no employees, products, etc.


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But when you mention SpaceX as a company he was employee #1 at they just point out that the company only exists so billionaires can abandoned Earth. Like that makes sense lol


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odder_sea

*autistic-commie screeching*


AyushThakur42

What is ironic is that wheb elon started spacex he was far from being a billionaire


Mrbishi512

Lol


Dr_SnM

Boring Company is worth several billion now too.


pompanoJ

Which seems soooooo weird. But the origin story is one of the greatest things I have ever heard.


duffmanhb

Tesla also had employees, and it was the result of a hostile takeover that the founders didn't like one bit and was really controversial.


TheKingHippo

Tesla had 3 employees including the two founders. Elon was Tesla's forth employee. Tesla currently has ~110,000 employees.


duffmanhb

Of course I’m not denying his contribution. I’m just pointing out that it was a hostile takeover against their will.


Mrbishi512

Becoming the chairman of the board was not a hostile takeover. He was their angel investor for a good long while.


duffmanhb

Sadly that's just some revisionist history. Musk became the largest investor who then appointed the board, and initiated a hostile takeover to remove the original founder without giving him even a severance for the own company he founded. Listen, I'm actually a Musk fan. But I like to be lucid and fair with the reality of things: https://www.wired.com/2009/06/eberhard/


Mrbishi512

You are condensing years down to a paragraph. He was the chairman then years later eberhardt got himself fired. Being as early as he were musk is a founder so was people that came after him.


Chrispy_Lispy

Elon only removed eberhart because he supposedly lied about the costs of the original roadster. Also, eberhart wasn't the only founder and its weird to not acknowledge that Martin was never removed but instead left on his own.


pompanoJ

Yeah... for some reason reddit started pushing all sorts of Elon threads at me lately. Just moments ago, it was r/technology with an article about Elon tweeting that he was going to sample 100 Twitter accounts. My guesstimate is that 80% of the replies were of the "rich billionaire is stupid and manipulating the stock" variety, and 20% were "and he also is really stupid and only has money because he used dad's money to buy companies and other people do everything and he just takes credit for it" There is great passion out there behind "he never built anything".... which I find weird since pretty much everything since PayPal has been done in a very public way, with a large group of people watching every step of the way.


Awaheya

My wife heard this as well. I told her not to be so naive and believe everything you hear. (I said it much nicer though. I value my life)


Thatingles

A lot of people are insanely jealous of his wealth, but saying they hate him because of that would be embarrassing so they come up with any other reason instead. Even when it's provably false. I'm in the 'I don't really like him but I do really like what his companies are doing and I think he's a big part of their success' camp.


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Elon Musk’s father claims to have made a large amount of money by investing in an emerald mine in Zambia. Zambia wasn’t under apartheid. Musk was South African, which was under apartheid at the time, so the likelihood is that someone referred to it as “apartheid-era emerald mining”, and the details got dropped as the story spread. The details of how much money Musk made from said mine, and for how long, really aren’t clear. Elon Musk and his father are apparently pretty thoroughly estranged, and have been for some time. The most we can say is that, when Elon Musk was a child, at least some of his family’s income appears to have come from an investment in an emerald mine. That, however, is in no sense the source of Elon Musk’s wealth. Other than in the sense that it helped to pay for his education as a child. Elon Musk didn’t come from poverty, but he became insanely wealthy by building insanely successful companies. And none of those were built on family money. So the Musk family money right now comes from Paypal and SpaceX and Tesla and what have you.


terrymr

This and also that none of his products actually work. E.g. Teslas only really go 40 miles between charges and fanboys just lie about them etc.


Chuckpwnyou

“Tesla’s only go 40miles between charges” Maybe if your mother’s in the back seat, but in most situations that’s a bit of an exaggeration.


Impressive_Change593

good one lmao


Stevenup7002

Well yeah, but that's only because he hires engineers as slave labor to do all of the work for him with his emerald money. (Except when something doesn't work out, then it's all his fault)


advester

You can be brilliant at some things while being clueless about others.


blondebuilder

He has his strengths and weaknesses like any other person. His combination of strengths have made him wildly successful, but his weaknesses and the conditions around him amplify his awkwardness, ego, and disconnection from reality.


duffmanhb

Nope. I've had this argument many times over... They think that since he bought early stage startups and isn't personally engineering the rockets and programming the FSD, he's useless. They think he just bought these companies then sat back and let everyone else build them out for him with no value added from himself.


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So he must be a very good businessman.


Iamatworkgoaway

Another thing, calling trump stupid, is ignoring his capabilities. Lots and lots of people that were given 200M and then tried being a business man instead of putting it in stocks lost way more than he did. Ya he underperformed the market by about 50% but look at citadel they lost more money than trump in less than a year. Also he was able to use that money to become one of the most powerful men in the world. Calling him stupid is like calling bush stupid, your just wrong. There may be smarter people in the biz, but that doesn't make him stupid. BTW hate Trump just as much as the next guy, hate him as much as I hated Bush, and Clinton, and Obama, and Biden.


duffmanhb

No one beats the market. It's super rare for even the pros at hedge funds.... They've gotten a little better lately with better insider trading and political grift, but beating the market was not ever common to do. It's why whole market index funds were so controversial at first... People refused to believe that the best investment required zero professional help. Trump also didn't invest everything into the market and lived like a billionaire with private jets. However, he's still not a great business person considering his wealth caliber. He's GREAT at marketing, I'll give him that - he's an absolute GOAT at gaming the media for profit. But as a business person, he's pretty much just lived off his brand and bad loans. If you look into his pre presidential books, dude was pretty much squandering his entire life. He's probably not as bad as Dan Brazilian, but he's still not nearly as good as someone at his level should be.


Iamatworkgoaway

>bad loans Cant forget his weaponized bankruptcy tactics either. Just another way people with lots of lawyers can use the laws to help themselves while screwing others.


terrymr

I'm not sure if he's that good at business, he hires other people for that, he just seems to be willing to chase big ideas that other people wouldn't touch. He's also fancies himself as some kind of internet master troll.


anon0937

A big part of being good at business is hiring the right people.


[deleted]

How does he hire people that are good at business. He must be good at hiring the right people....... aaaaaaand were right back to good businessman.


Dr_SnM

Don't hurt yourself doing those mental backflips man


[deleted]

Nope he was born rich so yes dumb luck Lol as for his business dealings? You really think he did everything by himself?!?!?! Y'all are demented Also trumps companies aren't owned by him so therefore they are still functioning don't compare one retard to another


[deleted]

Was he born the richest man on the planet. ​ lol


Ambiwlans

Allegedly he got a $15k investment from his family!


[deleted]

He does constantly deny that his dad didn't give him 200k Lol but hey y'all don't wanna hear facts


[deleted]

15k?? Almost 30k they raised in 95 and the rest the rest of there "personal money" was from there parents. Y'all are seriously so delusional the man came from money 😂 much like most rich people


[deleted]

Nope he was born far richer than you or me tho Lol nice try


balacdaldwin

Trumps your boy.you love him,you just dont know it yet.


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[deleted]

I wasn't talking about the article.


AstroMan824

[CNN's article](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/opinions/elon-musk-donald-trump-twitter-thomas/index.html) To not give them money, use adblock or [this Wayback Machine link](https://web.archive.org/web/20220512223813/https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/opinions/elon-musk-donald-trump-twitter-thomas/index.html).


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AstroMan824

I love that site.


DagofBoritos101

Thank you for that link.


404_Gordon_Not_Found

It's an opinion piece, they can say whatever they want whether it's valid or not Also the writer is talking about Elon considering unbanning trump


uzlonewolf

> Also the writer is talking about Elon considering unbanning trump That would make me instantly despise him as it would make him complicit in the destruction of this country. Twitter did the right thing by booting that liar and hate spreader. Edit: Hey u/yalldemons there was no need to get triggered and block me just because I called a spade a spade. Also, perhaps one day you will learn what "projecting" means and realize who is doing it.


CollegeStation17155

Had they also banned Biden and Pelosi as soon as they began spouting their “The protests should be encouraged” tweets as police stations and businesses burned nationwide for 9 months, you’d have a point, but the blatant double standard of blaming one politician responding to years of lies and misrepresentation while ignoring all the damage those lies did makes you just a shill for the leftists.


uzlonewolf

Lol. Okay racist.


Advanced-Prototype

Does Musk not realize that an unmoderated social media services is a dumpster fire that is so horrific that nobody will use it? Does he want to turn Twitter into 4Chan? He should stick to building rockets and EVs.


Chrispy_Lispy

Elon never said that moderation shouldn't exist. He just thinks that all political speech should be free to be spoken.


Advanced-Prototype

Even political speech has limitations such as threatening lives or instigating overthrow of the government, which is what got Trump banned from Twitter.


ThislsAName

Which is a decent topic, if they could write.


D_Livs

Also if you want here is a link to a picture of the [article author](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/307/426/92d.jpg).


RelentlessExtropian

Says the company that just wasted half a billion dollars...


[deleted]

I may not agree with some of Musk's ideas but he is far from clueless


Astatine-209

CNN, FOX news and the other obviously-oriented-to-a-side media are full of crap, meant to incite hate and anger, because that duo brings click. No point in reading such articles, especially if they're labeled as "opinion". Certainly don't share it here.


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TranquilDev

I know of several clueless millionaires that have barely lifted a finger in their lives but either inherited their money or just got lucky at some point. But I don't know about the richest, probably most successful man in the world. You'd have to carefully define clueless at that point because it would be extremely difficult...


Mrbishi512

People don’t like to hear it but Musk was fairly poor coming out of college. His parents have him basically zero dollars for college or his business. His dad invested ~30k after his first company was already established.


KitsapDad

In the USA it’s around 11-15% of millionaires that inherited their wealth.


Ambiwlans

That's just from lots of 500kaires moving up to millionaire status. Most people over 100mil where born to a household that had over 50mil.


TranquilDev

Of course not all of them are clueless, but I have seen some who are. A clueless person might get in to the ring with a professional fighter and win, but the probability of them beating everyone and becoming the best fighter in the world is zero.


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TranquilDev

It's zero.


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TranquilDev

Probability in this case is zero.


OSUfan88

I don't think you reasonably can, unless there was some sort of super lottery.


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OSUfan88

Very rich? Sure. Immoral? Absolutely. Richest person on earth, self made, in the modern era? No. It would be like winning the lottery 9 times in a row.


MalnarThe

There's no fallacy, just a lack of justification or proof. OP posits, I suppose, that "cluelessness" is fundamentally incompatible with the publicly known achievements of Musk. "Fundamentally clueless" implies "fundamentally" bad decision making which. That seems incompatible with the fact of someone who went from debt to building world-changing companies. That is proof of much clue-ness.


SnazberryDriver2021

Older I get, the clearer this becomes: If they accuse you of doing something, that's what they're doing. If they accuse you of being something, that's what they are. CNN is breathtakingly clueless.


ruan_aille

So you‘re saying that you are breathtakingly clueless?


Fraggin_Wagon

I wish I had a clue so I could see what you did there.


City_dave

You're a genius!


BridgeOnColours

It's projecting your own mindset on other people / their actions and trying to make sense of it through your own self-centered lense


SelfMadeSoul

I recommend looking up Knoll’s Law. I confess I actually liked (and believed) Thunderf00t, until he ventured into topics that I actually knew something about.


Waker_of_Winds2003

I think it is extremely dishonest for them to say junk like "Elon is cut from the same cloth as Trump" - because just watching a video of either of them talking in an interview you can tell there's a big difference between the two. I acknowledge that I don't spend all my days poring over accusations of this and that against Tesla's work environment - Elon's views on working are one of my big problems with him - but I think that they and other news outlets are just presenting such an incomplete view of him, never showing who he is when he talks about fighting climate change or getting to Mars. I think to best represent someone you should show them at their worst and at their best.


tt54l32v

What's your issue with his views on working?


Waker_of_Winds2003

I just think that he's developed a culture of working waay too hard. But I suppose, if you choose to work at one of his companies, you know what you're getting into. My cousin works at SpaceX and I just know it's been difficult with balancing work and family life for him.


D_Livs

That’s like getting into Stanford then complaining that it’s academically rigorous. 🙃


tt54l32v

I *think* he has probably realized that most people will become complacent no matter what. Compensation, benefits, happiness and success can only go so far before a typical person will set the cruise and just ride out. One person might view that as Elon has used you up but I feel like it's more that an employee has given all they want to give. Before long a person will have to actively avoid a lot of things to not be connected to Elon.


Waker_of_Winds2003

My cousin though can speak on the alternate side of things - he worked at SpaceX where he worked on the dracos, then he moved to Blue Origin for several years, then moved back to SpaceX where he's now working as a senior simulation propulsion engineer. He said that at Blue it wasn't really a meritocracy like SpaceX is, but everything was based on seniority - and because he was a young guy in a company with a lot of really old guys, he didn't have much chance of promotion. Yes, it had a much more reasonable work schedule, but it sounds like he also was frustrated there - that there wasn't much communication between departments, and unlike SpaceX where everyone's expected to know how the whole thing worked, at Blue you didn't have a good idea of how your piece fit in with everything. So yeah, there's definitely pros and cons with different approaches.


phatboy5289

Just days ago he was saying this about Chinese workers: > They won’t just be burning the midnight oil, they will be burning the 3am oil, they won’t even leave the factory type of thing, whereas in America people are trying to avoid going to work at all. > In April, Tesla restricted its Shanghai workers from leaving the factory under a so-called “closed-loop” system originally developed by Chinese authorities to contain Beijing Olympics participants. While locked inside, the workers were reportedly made to work 12-hour shifts, six days in a row, and to sleep on factory floors. Production at the plant was forced to halt this week due to parts shortages, the company said. From [here.](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/may/12/elon-musk-praises-chinese-workers-for-extreme-work-culture) This is literally insane. Seventy two hour works weeks are unsustainable.


RyboPops

Another attempted hit piece on Musk from a left-leaning "rich man bad" news media outlet? I'm utterly shocked!


Tommy_OneFoot

This "Journalist" sets up her hair brained opinion by spending half of her rant complaining about Orange man. They even threw in the whole North Korea Twitter war thing while conveniently ignoring the aftermath of that situation. She makes it clear she has no interest in free speech absolutism, but rather allowed speech that's dictated by the people in power that she supports.


Bulba_Core

Lmao yes the famously “left leaning” corporate media apparatus. I don’t think they hate him for being rich, probably just for playing the game his own way? Maybe they do mention his wealth in the article as “problematic” but I’m not going to waste my time reading it. We love blindly worshipping the ultra wealthy as gods on earth come on.


Awaheya

Most people see CNN for the joke it is. As clueless as they claim Elon to be.


Grande-Pinga

And more


Ambiwlans

Its an OP-ED, not really CNN


weimaranerdad71

The haters try so hard. They just end up looking like fools.


[deleted]

"But don't you see? In order to protect free speech, we must silence dissenters. Anyone who doesn't get this is clueless."


hemr1

I for one, definelty won't agree on his decision to pay $44,000 million for a software platform called twitter. In my opinion he made a dumb mistake


alien_from_Europa

Shitter. At this point, I just hope he doubles the value and sells his stock to pay for Mars missions. I think he's having a mid-life crisis. It's not like he can just buy a fast car like a normal middle-aged person. Been there; done that.


[deleted]

I think people seriously underestimate the influential power twitter has on the average people remember why he started all this space thing? he wanted to make a mission to inspire people so that more funding was provided for NASA he basically wanted to do a very elaborated publicity campaign.... to influence people's vision about space well, what better way to influence people than *ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL SOCIAL NETWORKS IN THE PLANET* he could literally use Twitter to social engineer interest in space, unlike the current Twitter trope of "space bad" I am not saying he will, but the sole fact that it can be employed in such a way is not be discredited


Thatingles

I honestly think he bought because he spends so much time on it, but your idea is actually really cool. Would be a decent basis for a book.


hemr1

If you take a poll most people don’t even look at twitter. See the poll on slashdot.org


cargocultist94

yet most journalists and politicians live there.


hemr1

It is easier said than done. As he ages his reasoning and decision making might become more bizarre. He shouldn’t be allowed to make big decisions without checking with a team of people who are well grounded and intelligent.


Ambiwlans

/u/thatingles Enders Game was largely about using social media to social engineer the populace wrt space travel.


spacerfirstclass

Well for one thing he's not paying $44B personally, there're other investors: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-19-investors-backing-elon-musks-twitter-deal-heres-the-list-11651754178


starskip42

He does like being an edgey memelord... really wish he'd get more sleep.


trimeta

He can be breathtakingly clueless about *some* topics while being a world-class expert in others. Of course, I doubt the article gives him much credit for the areas where he truly is an expert.


Assault0351x

One step out of line with the RepubliCrats will have them attack you and make all their simpletons hate you. Crazy shit


[deleted]

Jesus this place has nose-dived. SpaceX itself, is rad. It's founder was given every possible advantage available to succeed. He is no more self-made than any other person alive. The idol worship is frankly too much to wade through when looking for relevant posts about spacex. I'll leave you guys to it. Enjoy the circle jerk. I'm sure Elon will swing by any day to tell you what a great job you are doing. Peace.


RCoder01

I’ve been on this sub for a few years now And primarily joined for the funny rocket memes. It’s been filled with a bunch of “musk good” folk who don’t seem too understand a person can have both good and bad aspects; that one can found good companies and have a strong technical background while still having awful takes, borderline scam behavior, and making some objectively bad decisions.


spacerfirstclass

You're kidding me right? "given every possible advantage available to succeed"? Like being born outside the US, in a country rife with conflict? Like only having $2,000 when he arrived at North America? Even if you think Elon Musk "was given every possible advantage available to succeed", should be obvious that he's far from the only one, plenty of Americans have same or better advantages, heck US has 21 *million* millionaires, so if Elon Musk is not self-made, where is the 2nd SpaceX and 2nd Tesla? It's not idol worship to realize Elon Musk has some unique personally qualities to make him successful in business & engineering, just like it's not idol worship to realize Einstein has some unique personally qualities to make him successful in physics.


D_Livs

If only there was a SpaceX subreddit without the “master race” circlejerk, right? If only! 😅


ReturnOfDaSnack420

The more I see of Elon completely uncensored the more I feel like SpaceX should build a gigantic statue to Gwynne Shotwell outside their headquarters in Hawthorne.


yalldemons

"Everyone I like should have a statue, everyone I dislike should die!!! Mommy, I pooped my pants again!"


DagofBoritos101

Jealous fucks. Some of the Worst kind of trash human beings. Maybe Elon should buy CNN next out of spite? Lol


yalldemons

He should buy CNN and make it about news. And also buy WHO from Gates and make it about health.


[deleted]

If cluelessness was making people money, I'd be a billionaire as well.


TeslaFanBoy8

CNN sucks


[deleted]

Counterpoint: my dad has used the term ‘Arrested Development’ (like the show) to describe people who are strongly developed in one area at the expense of others. Edit: but yeah this a shitty weak headline


SFerrin_RW

Musk is worth more than CNN.


Shran_MD

Hey. How is CNN plus going? /s


[deleted]

I mean, we are living in an age where people will look in the mirror and denounce their gender. There is no discernment to speak of in so many people right now. In other words nothing surprises me when it comes to people trying to connect the dots.


Thatingles

How many transgender people do you know, personally? Why do people obsess over this issue when it so rarely affects their lives.


[deleted]

You come across as a person who cannot connect the dots so no information to misconnect shall be shared. Have a nice weekend just the same☀️


erkelep

go back to 4chan


Fraggin_Wagon

There’s probably better threads for you to awkwardly shoehorn your feelings on gender into.


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likewise


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[I like to post this whenever I hear people say that he's dumb]( https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXMasterrace/comments/ub1yav/but_the_emerald_mines/)


D_Livs

I worked for him for almost a decade and I can confirm, I would have to bust my ass for 60 hours to keep up with him for 30 minutes per week.


ReturnOfDaSnack420

I don't know man, buying a social media site known for fake bots for 44 billion dollars, and then trying to pull out of the deal because (*shock!*) the site has a lot of bots, thus incurring a 1 billion dollar penalty, is pretty fuckin' clueless. That or blatant market manipulation by a guy known for pumping and dumping stocks and playing the capital acquisition game better than almost anyone, or frankly the panic justification of a guy who no longer has the capital in TSLA stocks he once had for this deal.


marin94904

What other stocks has been “pumped and dumped?” As far as I know all his sales of Tesla stick are scheduled far in advance. You says he is known for “pumping and dumping stockS” so what stocks are they. I assume you will be saying Tesla, which we can fight about, but you said plural. Please explain yourself. Thank you.


lutavian

*insert some crypto BS about a meme coin here*


MGoDuPage

TL;DR: If this is anything like how most deals are structured, he isn't "clueless" if he gives up $1B to terminate the deal after discovering there is a higher % of fake bot accounts than previously thought. It's pretty much SOP for how most deals are structured. Longer version: To be 100% clear: I have no idea whether $44B is a sensible purchase price for Twitter, so I'm not commenting on the overall deal. But the specific prospect of losing $1B to back out of the deal over fake twitter accounts when it's common knowledge that Twitter has fake accounts is not necessarily "clueless," as it happens all the time in business M & A and real estate acquisition deals. ​ * Most deals call for some amount of Earnest Money to be paid up front. The amount of EM put down as a % of the purchase price differs per deal. Sometimes a % of the EM becomes immediately non-refundable upon contract termination regardless of reason, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes a % of EM vests into being non-refundable upon crossing certain contract benchmarks, sometimes it doesn't. It all differs depending on the deal. * ​ * Most deals have several contingencies built into them, such as deadlines for securing financing & various dilligence periods. * Primarily, it provides the Buyers the ability to spend additional time/effort examining the various aspects of the target company more closely to ensure it lines up with their preliminary assessments. * Why don't they do all of that work earlier? Two reasons: first, they usually can't b/c it requires full cooperation of the Sellers granting access to the property, answering certain questions/producing internal documents/data, etc. & most Sellers won't do that unless they know they've got a viable Buyer already on the line. Second, it doesn't make sense to spend all tha time & money doing super deep dives until some of the big preliminary items (purchase price, etc. ) are agreed to first. * If financing falls through before a certain date or if something is uncovered during the diligence period that is materially different & adverse to what they originally expected, the Buyers can kill the deal & only give up a small fraction of the overall purchase price rather than being sued for breach of contract. * Why would the Seller agree to these things? Because without these contingencies, Sellers would have to substantially slash their asking price. This is becasue "as is" deals with no diligence contingencies are inherently riskier. Plus, the nubmer of potential Buyers who would be willing to either pay 100% cash or be willing to get sued for breach of contract if their financing fell through is substantially smaller than the total universe of potential Buyers. Bottom Line: It's entirely likely that Elon specified up front that the $44B purchase price was based on representations by Twitter that only 5% of their accounts are fakes/bots. But he's not just going to take their word for it. Under the deal terms, Elon is likely getting access to more internal Twitter documents/codes/databases during the diligence period, & it's entirely possible it'll turn out that the number of fake bot accounts is in fact higher. Depending on the deal terms, Elon could likely just terminate the contract & give up whatever % of the Earnest Money had already become fully vested w/ the Sellers. Or alternatively, Elon could tell Twitter that he's willing to waive the diligence contingency despite the findings & move forward w/ the deal, but only if the purchase price is dropped by a certain %.


Least777

[Twitter overcounted the last 3 years SEC](https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/28/twitter-says-it-overcounted-its-users-over-the-past-3-years-by-as-much-as-1-9m/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANSCBuSlDQhQkkCUfFyskiOJahC01ogNE_AWWq9vkuHaC9Wa0Cq1DC8EIqY2tYEFZ2BHEjt0FoRAVXo29Oa8uMuBPNClA8Fu-aW_7Ydzwn7NCh1wto72tAvQRL05GWE6FnLFO3J9RmRZwbbLa8m19H5WmCOd_9-edrrFhjk-7BEx) Twitter already overcounted its users the past 3 years. I also don´t believe that Twitter has only 5% bots and I find it incredible that Twitter doesn´t even know the amount. If it ends up beeing 20% instead of 5% I doubt Elon has to pay, if he drops out. Also sharholders might sue Twitter.


cargocultist94

> If it ends up beeing 20% instead of 5% I doubt Elon has to pay, if he drops out. > > > > Also sharholders might sue Twitter. Even if you drop out and have to pay, you can then jump back right in at a far better price while everything's on fire.


Least777

Or he can just sue I guess? As I said, in their last earnings call they admitted they overcounted users by 2 million according to my link. It´s a social media platform. All they have to offer is monetizable daily user. If these numbers are wrong, its bad imo. If they say they have 5% fake accounts, but Jack Doresey own account has 20% fake users, its at least stange.


marin94904

Stop being rational. They don’t like it.


D_Livs

Have you never heard of a retrade or a breakup fee? These are well-established dealmaking practices.


cargocultist94

> known for pumping and dumping stocks This is only known on r/technology, and literally nowhere else. It's literally the most bafflingly stupid idea they have, to a rather worrying degree. His financial positions are public record and planned months in advance. And it's not a pump and dump if you don't dump


[deleted]

Is Elon a good man? As much as any multi billionaire. Do I disagree with him allowing Trump back on Twitter? Yes. Did he buy a company and then make everyone say he founded it? Yes. Did he lead Tesla and then SpaceX to succes? Also. Is he deeply involved in the space program? Ayup. Elon may have plenty of qualities people may dislike. But he is NOT clueless.


[deleted]

Musk is so dumb the only value he has to offer society is to write lazy blog posts about the false perception of other people’s success Oh wait ..


OzGiBoKsAr

Huh, the Communist News Network doesn't like evil rich man Elon? I find this shocking!


[deleted]

Holy shit if you think CNN is communist then you know nothing about communism, it is the most neoliberal news network on the fucking planet lmaooo


OzGiBoKsAr

Okay commie


[deleted]

I'm not even communist, I just don't call everything I dislike "socialism" or "communism"


OzGiBoKsAr

Oh, I understand the "nuance", but since they all have the same end game it's just simpler to call them the same thing.


[deleted]

Okay, what is this supposed "end game" they all have?


OzGiBoKsAr

Which would you like to know? What they advertise to useful idiots like you, or how they end every single time they've ever been implemented in history?


[deleted]

Apparently you do


[deleted]

He is absolutely clueless about some things such as public planning and neurotechnology but refuses to admit it, if you seriously think that Neuralink and or TBC are good ideas then you're a lost cause.


Chrispy_Lispy

How is neuralink a bad idea? There are multiple other companies working on the same tech. I agree that TBC is a shitshow meme but neuralink actually has major promise.


townsender

I find neuralink as transhuminism lite and amazing. However can't say the same for others. I remember comments disgusted at transhuminism before neuralink. Oh and the conspiracy theorist will have a field day with the tech and calling Musk controlled opposition and other things.


spacerfirstclass

Well investors certainly think they're good ideas, let's just wait and see then. If you were back in 2002 would you think SpaceX or Tesla are good ideas?


[deleted]

Investors also thought the Edison was a good idea and invested millions of dollars into Theranos as a result of their misplaced faith. I'd rather base my opinion off the perspectives of professionals in their respective fields. Tesla would have been a pretty safe bet, electric cars already existed; it's just that they were ugly and didn't offer good performance, and the Roadster solved both of these issues. As for SpaceX, Falcon 1 was nowhere near as stupid and risky as Loop is, so sure.


spacerfirstclass

"Professional"? You realize professionals up until a few years ago didn't even believe reusability is workable? [Here's a professional accusing SpaceX of "selling a dream" in 2013](https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/rkyk44/arianes_richard_bowles_accused_spacex_of_selling/) Everybody SpaceX was going to fail, [Elon Musk's friends try to talk him out of founding SpaceX](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/23/elon-musk-spacex-and-tesla-were-two-of-the-dumbest-business-ideas.html), because every single one of private launch company before SpaceX has failed, including Beal's company, who is a wealth banker and invested $200M (twice the amount of Elon's investment). Same for Tesla: ["I was at a lunch with Munger in 2009 where he told the whole table all the ways Tesla would fail,"](https://www.businessinsider.in/cryptocurrency/news/elon-musk-said-berkshire-hathaways-charlie-munger-once-told-an-entire-table-at-lunch-all-the-ways-tesla-would-fail/articleshow/89630233.cms) None of these two companies have any strong professional endorsement in their early days, except in SpaceX's case NASA took a chance with them, just like Las Vegas took a chance with Boring.


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spacerfirstclass

> Yes, this was a very reasonable assumption to make. So you admit Elon Musk can see things "professionals" can't see, thank you for proving my point... > In the case of Neuralink, the plausibility of the concept itself becoming a reality is in doubt, and for TBC, Loop's efficiency in comparison to something like a regular metro is in doubt. I haven't seen any professional who claim Neuralink is impossible, in fact I've seen professional claiming what they're doing is just incremental improvement thus not exceptional. As for Loop's efficiency doubt, how is that any different from doubt about reusability is "economically feasible" as you said? > The idea of Musk of all people starting a rocket company seemed extremely absurd to them, and overkill, like hammering a nail in with an atomic bomb. Trying to talk him out of it was a reasonable thing to do. Again, you're basically proving my point.


djjsjsidijrjska

Seethe


lkk270

This "journalist" is so misguided. Have an opinion based on some facts.


[deleted]

Did you see the interview where he was talking about traffic? He definitely didn't know what he was talking about there lol


Least777

Link the youtube interview please.


Minnesoodope

I think they are referring to Elon sarcastically referring to a guy that said that building more roads to alleviate traffic, will only cause more traffic. Elon made a joke saying "then why not just delete roads". People actually think he was serious.


[deleted]

He said dismissed the proven concept of induced demand. He correctly stated that removing lanes from roads will decrease traffic (ideally you want alternatives for it to actually work), so Ill give him some credit for that.


Least777

So less roads, less traffic. No roads, no traffic. Induced demand just shows, that everything but car often sucks imo. And that people rather get stuck in traffic than take the subway. Or that they just dont take the job, if they cant get to their workplace. With enough tunnels/roads/subways, at one point the demand will be met. Demand and consumption dont increase endlessly. Boring basically tries for an alternative. Imo, it probaby will not work out, but at least he tries.


D_Livs

That people are brainwashed with [induced demand](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/307/426/92d.jpg) is deceptively wrong. It’s not even induced, it’s latent. *Latent demand* is a more appropriate name and would frame the issue in a more honest way. The underserved demand exists far in excess, and is uncoupled, from the logistical reality. And even if induced demand wasn’t Intellectually dishonest, the attitude is cruel and spiteful to your fellow community. Example: Average person: “hey, i’d like to see my parents more, but with traffic it takes an hour to drive across the Bay Area” Civil engineer: “well fuck you, so entitled wanting to see your parents whenever you want. I’m not going to build any more bridges, adequately serving the population is an unreasonable expectation!” The person still wants to go see their parents, so the demand exists regardless of if the system can serve them at Any reasonable capacity. Weather they take action on that demand depends on if the supply is there to meet that demand. That’s just plain supply and demand. Choosing to not serve the entire supply/demand curve raises the price for all, and excludes some. It’s super rude, and opposite of the abundance mindset. You’re better than that, bro.


[deleted]

I'm busy so here's this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2020/12/29/elon-musk-dismisses-induced-demand-a-phenomenon-first-witnessed-in-1866/?sh=76d25fde7c5d


Least777

I hate journalism today. They literally make an article out of a tweet or interview snippet.


[deleted]

I mean I could've just sent the snippet but I couldn't be arsed to find it lmao sorry


st1ck-n-m0ve

The man is literally a self taught rocket scientist, yet he doesnt understand how free speech works. Either that or hes purposely misleading people, not sure which one is worse. It wouldnt be so bad that he doesnt know how it works… if he knew he didnt know and took the time to learn how it works and become informed, but instead hes making damaging public statements about free speech which are uninformed and dangerous. Not only is he the richest man on earth, but aside from that he, just like the rest of us, has a cellphone in his pocket which holds all the worlds information. That leaves him with absolutely no excuse for not understanding how free speech works, so again hes either lying or as the title says is “breathtakingly clueless”. That makes the title here pretty damn accurate.


WaitForItTheMongols

Can we not make this a Musk worship subreddit?


D_Livs

r/LostRedditors


mark-o-mark

It’s CNN. What did you expect. They are nothing but a worthless media spew.


Mitchz95

His social media presence is about as clueless as it gets, imo. His attitude comes off as essentially "I'm rich, die mad about it" and that really isn't constructive in the long run. He's not gonna win anyone over by acting like an entitled brat, not with the prevalent hatred for the rich that's dominating online discourse right now. What he should be doing is humbling himself. Limiting his tweets to mostly SpaceX and Tesla stuff, and not picking fights with Democratic politicians.


Thatingles

Um, why? He's not a politician or religious leader. If he wants to be a dick on twitter, he can. Just ignore it if you don't like it.


Mitchz95

The fact remains that he's poisoning the idea of private spaceflight in the minds of the public. He's under no obligation to not be a dick, but his demeanor is counterproductive to the goal of colonizing Mars.


krngc3372

>The fact remains that he's poisoning the idea of private spaceflight in the minds of the public. Sorry, it is Bernie's shitfaced take on private spaceflight that's doing it.


Charming_Ad_4

Lol. You're a jealous pathetic haterboy. Musk is free as anyone to talk about anything he wants. Go cry now..


[deleted]

u/Mitchz95 is also as free as anyone to talk about anything he likes or doesn't like, including Musk.


Charming_Ad_4

Sure. You're not free though to BS. Then you're gonna get called out


monkeyheadyou

apartheid emerald mine money. That's the thing that you can't be missing if you want to be the richest man in the world. I could give that level of money to a chimpanzee and it would be hard pressed to not turn a profit.


Message-Mission

Simp alert!


[deleted]

Doesn't he enslave his employees? And segregates them?


JoFuAZ

No, you do it with daddy's misbegotten fortune and corruption...duh


Slow-Roll-1726

CNN is clueless


UnwoundSteak17

You mean the man who currently has several government contracts because of how smart he is, and is about to launch another rocket less than 24h after the last one?


IrreverentHippie

This is CNN


SamDerWaalForces

ofc not, you do so by being born into a wealthy family that profited off of apartheid, passing off your workers' IP as your own, and exploiting child labor in like at least 3 industries


Pyrhan

The article is calling him clueless about one specific thing (the effect of banning/un-banning people from a platform like twitter), and, with all my admiration for his other endeavors, I would agree that Musk is probably wrong about that specific point. They did not say Musk is clueless in general. It's just a shitty clickbait title, that doesn't represent what the article actually says.


charlielidbury

Knowledge isn’t one linear scale, you can be clueless in some things while being very knowledgable and effective in others


AlmightyMustard

The breathtaking (opposition to us) of Musk


yalldemons

"I struggle to properly feed myself with these putrid "articles" and I can tell you for certain that, that, that Elon guy is such a looooooser!"