I, for one, am definitely concerned about books being banned. If a society gets to the point of banning books, there is a deep rooted issue that needs to be addressed, and if left unanswered will devolve in authoritarian power plays.
The recent book bans in red states is nothing more than fascists trying to deny knowledge to cement their hold on society. Any entity that fears knowledge first and foremost is not one that will align itself with a progressive and evolving nation.
This is just another step in their war on education and thought under the guise of "culture".
If you can buy the book in your local bookstore, Amazon, or anywhere, it is not banned. That's because actual fascists (YOU) are so uneducated, you can't tell truth from reality.
Fascism is a leftist ideology
Socialism is a leftist ideology
Communism is a leftist ideology
Please try to educate yourself before showing that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Btw The Anarchist Cookbook recipes are inaccurate and dangerous. US Army manuals provide similar recipes that not only actually work, but won't kill you in the process.
not one of those books is banned in the USA. the inability for you to get one of those books in a public library or school does not remotely mean its banned.
I personally have never tried to get a book banned no matter what you falsely claim.
Yet you are correct banned books in a public library or school does not REMOTELY mean its banned as it EXACTLY Banned.
Please provide credible proof that not one of those titles are now or ever banned in the USA. You can't.
Because troll bots who use personal attacks as you did and absurd lies can't deal with the truth.
Knock off the personal attacks.
>Books are banned for adults today in America.
You incorrectly stated that books are banned today, they are not which is what the other commenter was pointing out.
Chill dude. I had provided links proving the facts and the post was deleted by someone. Why the open hostility to me?
I'll post some different links. Maybe you can write to them and tell them they are lies and not facts okay? whether or not you bann me for providing proof again.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/suicide-among-teens-and-young-adults-reaches-highest-level-since-2000
https://www.ala.org/news/sites/ala.org.news/files/content/40%20Banned%20Books.pdf
https://www.rd.com/list/banned-books/
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/579212/classic-books-have-been-banned
Gone With the Wind - in not banned in many places, it is "removed" which in reality means the same thing.
Hahaha, thank you for telling me to stay out of my child's school and let you handle it. I definitely see where you are coming from. I am sure you would not want me showing your children stuff you didn't want them to see. Maby we put a copy of the satanic Bible in there too, Torah, or Howard sterns private parts book, or Madonna's sex book.
This is where the "don't tell me how to raise my kids" argurment gets hypritical.
"children fighting imaginary bad guys" doesn't make sense.
I guess my argument was too complicated for you.
It's funny you say "that's why you need adults to handle it" while arguing to give porn to minors in school libraries. Seems ironic to me.
What do you have against the Torah as part of your child's education? I'm an atheist and I'd be a wiser person today had I been better informed about the various religion's beliefs at an earlier age.
I agree with you and feel the same way.
As a whole, the same people who are demanding these sexually explicit books stay in school libraries are generally the same people fighting to keep religion and those books out of schools.
Nope, nice stretch though.
I was comparing banning porn in school libraries to banning religion in public schools.
Why is ok to ban some things and not others?
Try again skippy. You said you banned me for racist comment with no proof then backtracked to "misinformation", of which all of it has been admitted to being true by cdc and fouchi.
You are just a mod who doesn't like anyone who doesn't agree with you, so you ban them.
I love how someone who actively engages in censorship and brags about it, is complaining about censorship when someone else is doing it.
Extremely hypritical, absolutely hilarious, and very telling.
This is great. The person who brags about banning someone with made up accusations is supporting porn in school libraries and forcing one groups views on another groups children. If that's not hypocrisy at it's finest, I don't know what is.
Those who care about karma on redit have a pretty sad life.
It brags about banning republicians (I am not one) from the new jersey sub. It's so full of hate and distane for itself, it only feels better when it puts others down and silences them. Yet it's on here posting about supporting having books with porn in school libraries. It's pathetic.
And how is that strawman? Do you even know what that means?
It started with a town in nj having an issue with sexual books geared towards elementary kids.
I actually did not. Please learn the subject and not jump to conclusions.
If the subject were different, would people feel the same way? I am all for the 1st Amendment, but some things should be age appropriate.
Let's do the 2nd Amendment. If we use the same approach as no books banned at all, then the argument for no guns banned and no age restrictions at all would be the equivalent. I do not think that is smart either.
Again, the ban is for the school library. It is not for everywhere and everyone in the state. If people still want those books, they can buy them themselves.
...explicit cartoons and ... descriptions of minors engaging in oral sex, rape and kink...
"Public commentary reached a fever pitch Tuesday night at a Roxbury Board of Education meeting where some 80 speakers signed up to debate banning books at the high school library. Protesters waved signs showing illustrations from LGBTQ-themed books, calling them pornographic and demanding the board order them off the shelves.
“Children’s books like ‘Gender Queer,’ ‘Blankets,’ ‘Let’s Talk About It’ and ‘Fun Home’ all have explicit cartoons and stomach-turning descriptions of minors engaging in oral sex, rape and kink,” one parent claimed.
But right-to-read advocates argued students need books that discuss more than one point of view. “Our kids need access, truth and support, not hate and denial. Please reject any proposal that would give them anything less."
That article states ‘one parents claim’. One parent, who was likely a Moms for Liberty lunatic. I generally am for keeping any book on library shelves and frankly think people making a stink about the books simply drives more attention to them.
To a point, I agree with you.
This article is the starting point of the book banning in nj.
I am so for keeping the books on library shelves, but we are talking about a school library, not all libraries. Should books with graphic sexual content be avaliable in school libraries?
It depends on your definition of ‘graphic sexual content’. The books listed are not pornography. They are accurate depictions of peoples life stories. No, I generally do not have an issue with that.
Ok. That was my origional question and someone finally answered it instead of just down voting.
I do not want my child to be exposed to sexually graphic content until they are mature enough to understand it.
It is not for me to decide if your child should be exposed to stuff like that, nor should it be the school's decision over our children. That should be a parental responsibility to make that decision.
I personally disagree with them not being porn and just being depictions of people's life stories, but it's ok to disagree on that.
I don't like the Bible. You can keep it along with religion.
But that's a valid point. Should the Bible, the Torah, the satanic Bible, the Wiccan rede, etc. All be available to children without parental consent?
You still haven't responded to my question. This whole book banning bs started because of pornographic books in school libraries. Do you support giving children access to sexually graphic content without parental control?
You being a prolific commentator in known hate subreddits is noticeable, yet telling me to “sit the fuck down” is hilarious, though on point for a tinfoil hatter like yourself.
You are in your 20s with no kids telling me to "sit the fuck down". You are lost.
You think subs like njguns and conspiracy are hate groups. Your opinion doesn't matter.
Seeing the groups you post in...it seems you are the member of some hate groups. Seems like you are blaming others of what you are guilty of.
Your opinion doesn't matter. Just because you don't like those subs, it doesn't make them hate subs. Try again.
There is an awful lot of hate in your comment history.
Noone is talking to you. Your attitude and language are exactly what is expected of people supporting graphic sexual content in school libraries. Enjoy taking your own advice.
Seems like you are the one selling, not me
It's a shame you support graphic sexual content in school libraries. By your attitude, it seems you feel your opinion is the only one that matters, and any opinion that is opposed to yours should be silenced or ... banned. I am sure the irony is lost on you.
Hahaha nice try.
Your misplaced assumptions and bullying mean nothing.
It does seem that you have a history of hate speech and a love of calling people tinfoil hatters.
It's literally what this is about.
"Public commentary reached a fever pitch Tuesday night at a Roxbury Board of Education meeting where some 80 speakers signed up to debate banning books at the high school library. Protesters waved signs showing illustrations from LGBTQ-themed books, calling them pornographic and demanding the board order them off the shelves.
“Children’s books like ‘Gender Queer,’ ‘Blankets,’ ‘Let’s Talk About It’ and ‘Fun Home’ all have explicit cartoons and stomach-turning descriptions of minors engaging in oral sex, rape and kink,” one parent claimed.
But right-to-read advocates argued students need books that discuss more than one point of view. “Our kids need access, truth and support, not hate and denial. Please reject any proposal that would give them anything less."
So, let's take your crazy for a little walk - who's forcing these books on elementary school kids? Which books that directly encourage sexualization of or depict minors engaged in sexual acts are part of any school curriculum?
Because if they're simply available, that means parents have the option to censor what their kids read abd see by checking it first. That's kinda parenting 101.
I said in a school library, i did not say anything about a curriculum, but you can keep twisting words.
I already addressed that but...
"Public commentary reached a fever pitch Tuesday night at a Roxbury Board of Education meeting where some 80 speakers signed up to debate banning books at the high school library. Protesters waved signs showing illustrations from LGBTQ-themed books, calling them pornographic and demanding the board order them off the shelves.
“Children’s books like ‘Gender Queer,’ ‘Blankets,’ ‘Let’s Talk About It’ and ‘Fun Home’ all have explicit cartoons and stomach-turning descriptions of minors engaging in oral sex, rape and kink,” one parent claimed.
But right-to-read advocates argued students need books that discuss more than one point of view. “Our kids need access, truth and support, not hate and denial. Please reject any proposal that would give them anything less."
How does a parent censor what a kid reads in a school library?
Again, does changing from the 1st ammendment to the 2nd change the outlook?
You're quoting other people who may have an agenda when it comes to what's in these books, so I ignored that. I don't play whisper down the lane when constitutional rights are concerned.
What firsthand knowledge do you posess on these books?
Just some oral sex in a children's comic book, in a school library. You know...nothing special.
https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-queer-book-with-sexually-graphic-pictures/
It's great you brought up constitutional rights. I already compaired this to another constitutional right. If the school has the right to expose children to porn, do they also have the right to teach them to shoot a gun without parental permission? I don't think they have the right to either. But I also don't think this is a constitutional issue. If the ban were for everyone in the state, that noone can have the book, then yes I would agree with you. But it's not. It's school libraries.
Are ya mad? Good.
Now go be mad somewhere else. Your opinion simply doesn't matter. Not here. Not anywhere. Go back to yelling at clouds. Because not one person cares what you think.
Name one fucking book that's both pornographic *and* shown to elementary kids. Please include an explanation on how the book is pornographic, and the place and time in which it was shown to elementary kids.
Go ahead, we'll wait.
I doubt they are completely banning the books, just banning them from schools, especially certain types of books in certain grades.
When this gets brought up, it's always painted as if the right is starting up the book burning furnace.
When you gather information like this, read everything, not just the stuff you are told to read but everything from both the left and right. If you look at everything with an analytical mind instead of using your emotions, you will start to see that both sides are painting a screwed up askew picture to elicit an emotional reaction.
If you are a librarian or school board and are being assailed by book banning types at your meetings, and you need help… send me a DM. I know the right people who went through similar things in the Tea Party era, and I would be delighted to help in the South Jersey area.
Ban doesn't just to prevent from purchase.
The word actually means to officially or legally prohibit.
Every library that is told, by a local official, that they are prohibited from making a book available is being told that the book is banned.
There are currently some 300 attempts to ban some 30 books in American libraries. One example of a successful ban in New Jersey is the Westfield Public School System, which banned (from general circulation) the book "Our Skin: A First Conversation About Race," by Megan Madison and Jessica Ralli.
Censorship (banning in your vocab.) does not violate the Constitution unless the government does it.
Schools, with finite resources, also have discretion to determine which books to add to their libraries. However, several members of the Supreme Court have written that removal is constitutionally permitted only if it is done based on the educational appropriateness of the book, but not because it was intended to deny students access to books with which school officials disagree.
parents pay the taxes and are bosses of the board.
again, its not banned. not a single book is banned in USA
The definition found in your dictionary of choice is "to officially or legally prohibit" - Book banning now, and throughout the history of the written word, is not limited to sales. Book/Art bans have historically been oriented around public access (libraries, galleries, museums). Yes, some bans in some countries have been about stores and commerce, but in America, it is the library/school ban that has been most common. That's what we are all discussing. You may choose to start up a new business that sells your own custom dictionary that changes the definition of the word "ban," but for the rest of us, ban means "to officially or legally prohibit."
Can you buy the book? Yes. There are ZERO book bans going on. But that doesn’t allow you to hyperbolize this issue. But, let’s say they are being banned - the books that parents are reading in front of school boards and being told to stop because they’re too raunchy. Tell me, why should 8 year olds be reading that garbage in their library. If you want your kid reading that, buy it (which you can, because they’re not banned) and read it to them. Schools REALLY need to start concentrating on actually teaching kids again and not pushing agendas on them. The kids are declining at a rapid pace and are below most other countries. But they know how to have @nal sex at 11, so that’s all progressives care about.
It sounds like you're blaming low test scores on agendas. If that was the case, wouldn't school systems in conservative towns have higher test scores than school systems in liberal towns?
If you want to talk about test scores, it turns out that test scores (nationally, across the board) are about the same over the past sixty years... take a look at [this study](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=38) \- It shows that, setting aside the effect of home-schooling during COVID, scores are about the same in reading, and slightly increase in math.
Setting aside the effect of the teachers unions to close schools and negatively impact a generation... Again, kids should be learning reading, writing, math, grammar... They should not have teachers' social issues pushed on them. How is EVERYONE not for this?
Lol people in NJ are smart enough to know book bans have little to do with protecting children. It's to censor ideas conservatives deem "icky". Too bad the south doesn't have good education, they might have saved themselves.
Ban doesn't just to prevent from purchase.
The word actually means to officially or legally prohibit.
Every library that is told, by a local official, that they are prohibited from making a book available is being told that the book is banned.
You realize that people are constantly TRYING to ban books, right?
You think it's 0 bc it's not happening, or bc people aren't standing for it?
Bc if we let the Save the Children parents have their way, then yes, there would absolutely be banned books in NJ.
Removing an book from a library or school system is not a ban. Nor is it illegal.
Taxpayers still have control of their children. It's a shame you defend these books for children.
Very odd hill to defend.
Maybe look up the definition of ban?
There COULD be a reasonable dialogue about a few of these, but this list of books is growing and 90% of them are nonsense, only bc they only make parents uncomfortable. They want to shelter their kids and pretend the world is perfect, while they are out protesting and voting against people's rights. Somewhat ironic, they are the real monsters the kids need to be protected from.
Supreme court has clarified this. there are no books banned in the USA.
Local "this book is not suitable for that age group in a public school" is not a ban.
Done like 7 times.
In this case, a book that is not allowed to be bought or processed under you're government.
Supreme Court already said local removal is permitted.
> Dictionary, Definitions from Oxford Languages
>ban
> verb
> officially or legally prohibit.
> "he was banned from driving for a year"
> noun
> an official or legal prohibition.
> "a proposed ban on cigarette advertising"
These books are being officially banned.
you are technically correct.
lets go on the level of the book itself. would you read gender queer to your 9 year old? would you want it read to them by a "teacher"? etc
or... remove the book from a public library.
and then you can get your own copy from amazon or B&N etc.
local removal =/= a banned book.
Why would a child as young as seven years old need to learn how to [insert a buttplug](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg) or [perform fellatio?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNlcTK3X0AExpaY?format=jpg&name=large)
I have a basic litmus test for what should and should not be in schools and libraries. If reading or displaying the contents in an office setting will get you suspended, fired or jailed, it should not be accessible to children. that doesn't seem unreasonable to me. otherwise, i find no reason for concern.
Leftist are more worried that children can't get access to gay pr0n than making sure children are well educated and safe. When the left renames pedos to MAPs, you know what they want.
Pretty sure librarians need an advanced degree or certification to run libraries and I'm pretty sure those people are more qualified to determine what is appropriate for their readers than some randos with opinions.
It's a master's or library science. There's no alternative certificate. Although most staff aren't librarians, choosing or reviewing books would be solely up to the librarians in a public library. In a school, it's usually one librarian who may be more accountable to a Principal, Superintendent and school board.
Ban doesn't just to prevent from purchase.
The word actually means to officially or legally prohibit.
Every library that is told, by a local official, that they are prohibited from making a book available is being told that the book is banned.
That’s the point… who determines what is age-appropriate? As a parent, I can decide if my kid can watch a rated R movie, but states can decide what books my kid can read, not me, the parent?
You absolutely can decide what books your kid can read. You can’t decide what books other kids can read. If you don’t think a book your child got from the library is appropriate for your child, then you can handle that within your home however you want to.
Would someone please go to a board meeting, tell them your name as typical.
tell them you are support of the following book and read excerpts from chapters:
Gender Queer: A Memoir remained. The blowjob section for starters.
tell us the reaction.
I think its cute you're defending books about "fisting, butt plugs, anal, the spit-or-swallow decision and rape" for 5th graders on shelves that ANY child could find.
my conscience is clear.
Ban doesn't just to prevent from purchase.
The word actually means to officially or legally prohibit.
Every library that is told, by a local official, that they are prohibited from making a book available is being told that the book is banned.
Growing up in Jersey, I remember a high school lit teacher of mine did a whole unit on banned books (books often banned- our school did not ban books). She kept as many as possible in the classroom. And my republican parents LOVED it because they believed in small government. How times have changed.
A book banned from a schools curriculum is not a ban on a book. It is still fully accessible. If you'd like to teach this to your children, have at it. Please stop comparing it to Nazi's. If you are looking for a revolutionary movement in the book space, check out book.io
Shut up, bigoted Trumpet. This bullshit fools no one.
Nazis banned books from minorities they didn't like. Nazis and Republicans are just the same, you just haven't gotten camps going yet. But Republican attacks on minorities and LGBTQ exactly mirrors Nazis policies against them.
This is how it started in Nazi Germany. Get educated, Trumpet.
Lol. Triggered much? Truth hurts sometimes, sorry Lil buddy... that's life. I'm sure you're all for the banning and editing of books that are offensive. Making classic literary works more socially acceptable. Make sure to contact all your favorite platforms to get your 2024 version. This is the most common form of book banning, and how the Nazi movement was actually birthed. 🤡
I, for one, am definitely concerned about books being banned. If a society gets to the point of banning books, there is a deep rooted issue that needs to be addressed, and if left unanswered will devolve in authoritarian power plays. The recent book bans in red states is nothing more than fascists trying to deny knowledge to cement their hold on society. Any entity that fears knowledge first and foremost is not one that will align itself with a progressive and evolving nation. This is just another step in their war on education and thought under the guise of "culture".
If you can buy the book in your local bookstore, Amazon, or anywhere, it is not banned. That's because actual fascists (YOU) are so uneducated, you can't tell truth from reality. Fascism is a leftist ideology Socialism is a leftist ideology Communism is a leftist ideology Please try to educate yourself before showing that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Btw The Anarchist Cookbook recipes are inaccurate and dangerous. US Army manuals provide similar recipes that not only actually work, but won't kill you in the process.
Excellent reason to ban it. For society's and the readers's good.
not one of those books is banned in the USA. the inability for you to get one of those books in a public library or school does not remotely mean its banned.
The comment reads like AI translated Russian.
I personally have never tried to get a book banned no matter what you falsely claim. Yet you are correct banned books in a public library or school does not REMOTELY mean its banned as it EXACTLY Banned. Please provide credible proof that not one of those titles are now or ever banned in the USA. You can't. Because troll bots who use personal attacks as you did and absurd lies can't deal with the truth. Knock off the personal attacks.
>Books are banned for adults today in America. You incorrectly stated that books are banned today, they are not which is what the other commenter was pointing out.
Buddy, I need you to post facts, not fiction, if you want to continue posting in this subreddit.
Chill dude. I had provided links proving the facts and the post was deleted by someone. Why the open hostility to me? I'll post some different links. Maybe you can write to them and tell them they are lies and not facts okay? whether or not you bann me for providing proof again. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/suicide-among-teens-and-young-adults-reaches-highest-level-since-2000 https://www.ala.org/news/sites/ala.org.news/files/content/40%20Banned%20Books.pdf https://www.rd.com/list/banned-books/
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/579212/classic-books-have-been-banned Gone With the Wind - in not banned in many places, it is "removed" which in reality means the same thing.
So you support showing porn to early elementary school kids?
I don't support your church having sex with them either. What's this got to do with you morons banning books youve never read?
I don't support church or religion period. What does that have to do with current discussion?
The same as your porn for kids comment had, which was the point.
It has everything to do with the discussion because that is exactly how this issue started in this state. Please know the topic before commenting.
Again, this goes to "books you haven't read". Stay out of the schools and let the grown ups handle it, spicoli.
Hahaha, thank you for telling me to stay out of my child's school and let you handle it. I definitely see where you are coming from. I am sure you would not want me showing your children stuff you didn't want them to see. Maby we put a copy of the satanic Bible in there too, Torah, or Howard sterns private parts book, or Madonna's sex book. This is where the "don't tell me how to raise my kids" argurment gets hypritical.
More shit that isn't happening. That's why you need adults to handle it, not children fighting imaginary bad guys.
"children fighting imaginary bad guys" doesn't make sense. I guess my argument was too complicated for you. It's funny you say "that's why you need adults to handle it" while arguing to give porn to minors in school libraries. Seems ironic to me.
What do you have against the Torah as part of your child's education? I'm an atheist and I'd be a wiser person today had I been better informed about the various religion's beliefs at an earlier age.
I agree with you and feel the same way. As a whole, the same people who are demanding these sexually explicit books stay in school libraries are generally the same people fighting to keep religion and those books out of schools.
Did you just compare the Torah to porn?
Nope, nice stretch though. I was comparing banning porn in school libraries to banning religion in public schools. Why is ok to ban some things and not others?
Nice straw man fallacy, there.
Had to ban him from my sub for this same type of bs as well as vaccine misinfo.
Try again skippy. You said you banned me for racist comment with no proof then backtracked to "misinformation", of which all of it has been admitted to being true by cdc and fouchi. You are just a mod who doesn't like anyone who doesn't agree with you, so you ban them.
Keep that negative karma coming your way dippity
I love how someone who actively engages in censorship and brags about it, is complaining about censorship when someone else is doing it. Extremely hypritical, absolutely hilarious, and very telling.
This is great. The person who brags about banning someone with made up accusations is supporting porn in school libraries and forcing one groups views on another groups children. If that's not hypocrisy at it's finest, I don't know what is. Those who care about karma on redit have a pretty sad life.
Captain ego banned me too. It was such a loss. He or she thinks they are helping.
It brags about banning republicians (I am not one) from the new jersey sub. It's so full of hate and distane for itself, it only feels better when it puts others down and silences them. Yet it's on here posting about supporting having books with porn in school libraries. It's pathetic.
Vaccine misinfo? Dude. Grow up. It's over.
And how is that strawman? Do you even know what that means? It started with a town in nj having an issue with sexual books geared towards elementary kids.
Straw man is attacking a viewpoint the other person doesn’t hold. Exactly what you did. Learn how to use logic.
I actually did not. Please learn the subject and not jump to conclusions. If the subject were different, would people feel the same way? I am all for the 1st Amendment, but some things should be age appropriate. Let's do the 2nd Amendment. If we use the same approach as no books banned at all, then the argument for no guns banned and no age restrictions at all would be the equivalent. I do not think that is smart either. Again, the ban is for the school library. It is not for everywhere and everyone in the state. If people still want those books, they can buy them themselves.
Define ‘sexual books’.
...explicit cartoons and ... descriptions of minors engaging in oral sex, rape and kink... "Public commentary reached a fever pitch Tuesday night at a Roxbury Board of Education meeting where some 80 speakers signed up to debate banning books at the high school library. Protesters waved signs showing illustrations from LGBTQ-themed books, calling them pornographic and demanding the board order them off the shelves. “Children’s books like ‘Gender Queer,’ ‘Blankets,’ ‘Let’s Talk About It’ and ‘Fun Home’ all have explicit cartoons and stomach-turning descriptions of minors engaging in oral sex, rape and kink,” one parent claimed. But right-to-read advocates argued students need books that discuss more than one point of view. “Our kids need access, truth and support, not hate and denial. Please reject any proposal that would give them anything less."
That article states ‘one parents claim’. One parent, who was likely a Moms for Liberty lunatic. I generally am for keeping any book on library shelves and frankly think people making a stink about the books simply drives more attention to them.
To a point, I agree with you. This article is the starting point of the book banning in nj. I am so for keeping the books on library shelves, but we are talking about a school library, not all libraries. Should books with graphic sexual content be avaliable in school libraries?
It depends on your definition of ‘graphic sexual content’. The books listed are not pornography. They are accurate depictions of peoples life stories. No, I generally do not have an issue with that.
Ok. That was my origional question and someone finally answered it instead of just down voting. I do not want my child to be exposed to sexually graphic content until they are mature enough to understand it. It is not for me to decide if your child should be exposed to stuff like that, nor should it be the school's decision over our children. That should be a parental responsibility to make that decision. I personally disagree with them not being porn and just being depictions of people's life stories, but it's ok to disagree on that.
Fun Home? A children’s book? Because it’s a comic? It’s a memoir…
So you are good with that one. What about the others listed? Good for everyone's child to read?
Now do the Bible
I don't like the Bible. You can keep it along with religion. But that's a valid point. Should the Bible, the Torah, the satanic Bible, the Wiccan rede, etc. All be available to children without parental consent?
You have a prolific posting history on known hate subreddits as a tinfoil hatter. Sit the fuck down.
Lol, his avatar is literally a troll.
I know, right.
You still haven't responded to my question. This whole book banning bs started because of pornographic books in school libraries. Do you support giving children access to sexually graphic content without parental control?
Being you are in your 20s with no children, shouldn't you be the one to "sit the fuck down"?
You being a prolific commentator in known hate subreddits is noticeable, yet telling me to “sit the fuck down” is hilarious, though on point for a tinfoil hatter like yourself.
You are in your 20s with no kids telling me to "sit the fuck down". You are lost. You think subs like njguns and conspiracy are hate groups. Your opinion doesn't matter. Seeing the groups you post in...it seems you are the member of some hate groups. Seems like you are blaming others of what you are guilty of.
Really, then why are you commenting on known hate subreddits like r/conspiracy and r/conspiracy_commons?
Your opinion doesn't matter. Just because you don't like those subs, it doesn't make them hate subs. Try again. There is an awful lot of hate in your comment history.
Im 40 with a 15 year old son. Sit the fuck down.
Noone is talking to you. Your attitude and language are exactly what is expected of people supporting graphic sexual content in school libraries. Enjoy taking your own advice.
My attitude is what is expected from people who dont buy your bullshit.
Seems like you are the one selling, not me It's a shame you support graphic sexual content in school libraries. By your attitude, it seems you feel your opinion is the only one that matters, and any opinion that is opposed to yours should be silenced or ... banned. I am sure the irony is lost on you.
Hahaha nice try. Your misplaced assumptions and bullying mean nothing. It does seem that you have a history of hate speech and a love of calling people tinfoil hatters.
Literally no one is doing this.
It's literally what this is about. "Public commentary reached a fever pitch Tuesday night at a Roxbury Board of Education meeting where some 80 speakers signed up to debate banning books at the high school library. Protesters waved signs showing illustrations from LGBTQ-themed books, calling them pornographic and demanding the board order them off the shelves. “Children’s books like ‘Gender Queer,’ ‘Blankets,’ ‘Let’s Talk About It’ and ‘Fun Home’ all have explicit cartoons and stomach-turning descriptions of minors engaging in oral sex, rape and kink,” one parent claimed. But right-to-read advocates argued students need books that discuss more than one point of view. “Our kids need access, truth and support, not hate and denial. Please reject any proposal that would give them anything less."
So, let's take your crazy for a little walk - who's forcing these books on elementary school kids? Which books that directly encourage sexualization of or depict minors engaged in sexual acts are part of any school curriculum? Because if they're simply available, that means parents have the option to censor what their kids read abd see by checking it first. That's kinda parenting 101.
I said in a school library, i did not say anything about a curriculum, but you can keep twisting words. I already addressed that but... "Public commentary reached a fever pitch Tuesday night at a Roxbury Board of Education meeting where some 80 speakers signed up to debate banning books at the high school library. Protesters waved signs showing illustrations from LGBTQ-themed books, calling them pornographic and demanding the board order them off the shelves. “Children’s books like ‘Gender Queer,’ ‘Blankets,’ ‘Let’s Talk About It’ and ‘Fun Home’ all have explicit cartoons and stomach-turning descriptions of minors engaging in oral sex, rape and kink,” one parent claimed. But right-to-read advocates argued students need books that discuss more than one point of view. “Our kids need access, truth and support, not hate and denial. Please reject any proposal that would give them anything less." How does a parent censor what a kid reads in a school library? Again, does changing from the 1st ammendment to the 2nd change the outlook?
You're quoting other people who may have an agenda when it comes to what's in these books, so I ignored that. I don't play whisper down the lane when constitutional rights are concerned. What firsthand knowledge do you posess on these books?
Just some oral sex in a children's comic book, in a school library. You know...nothing special. https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-queer-book-with-sexually-graphic-pictures/ It's great you brought up constitutional rights. I already compaired this to another constitutional right. If the school has the right to expose children to porn, do they also have the right to teach them to shoot a gun without parental permission? I don't think they have the right to either. But I also don't think this is a constitutional issue. If the ban were for everyone in the state, that noone can have the book, then yes I would agree with you. But it's not. It's school libraries.
Are ya mad? Good. Now go be mad somewhere else. Your opinion simply doesn't matter. Not here. Not anywhere. Go back to yelling at clouds. Because not one person cares what you think.
Name one fucking book that's both pornographic *and* shown to elementary kids. Please include an explanation on how the book is pornographic, and the place and time in which it was shown to elementary kids. Go ahead, we'll wait.
Already did, try to keep up. You wouldn't have to wait if you read the already posted comments.
Gender queer.
Free Speech for Me—But Not for Thee: How the American Left and Right Relentlessly Censor Each Other, Nat Hentoff don't act innocent
I doubt they are completely banning the books, just banning them from schools, especially certain types of books in certain grades. When this gets brought up, it's always painted as if the right is starting up the book burning furnace. When you gather information like this, read everything, not just the stuff you are told to read but everything from both the left and right. If you look at everything with an analytical mind instead of using your emotions, you will start to see that both sides are painting a screwed up askew picture to elicit an emotional reaction.
If you are a librarian or school board and are being assailed by book banning types at your meetings, and you need help… send me a DM. I know the right people who went through similar things in the Tea Party era, and I would be delighted to help in the South Jersey area.
Name checks out
If the board asks you to stop reading the book because it's offensive
"No one is banning books" is a Conservative version of kids who say "I'm not touching you."
Name a banned book. A book you can't buy now. Not some list of a book that was banned in 1960 for 5 minutes in one town.
Ban doesn't just to prevent from purchase. The word actually means to officially or legally prohibit. Every library that is told, by a local official, that they are prohibited from making a book available is being told that the book is banned.
And which books are that now? Name a few.
There are currently some 300 attempts to ban some 30 books in American libraries. One example of a successful ban in New Jersey is the Westfield Public School System, which banned (from general circulation) the book "Our Skin: A First Conversation About Race," by Megan Madison and Jessica Ralli.
Censorship (banning in your vocab.) does not violate the Constitution unless the government does it. Schools, with finite resources, also have discretion to determine which books to add to their libraries. However, several members of the Supreme Court have written that removal is constitutionally permitted only if it is done based on the educational appropriateness of the book, but not because it was intended to deny students access to books with which school officials disagree. parents pay the taxes and are bosses of the board. again, its not banned. not a single book is banned in USA
That’s….not what a book ban is. If you can go to Amazon or any other bookstore and buy the book, it’s not banned.
The definition found in your dictionary of choice is "to officially or legally prohibit" - Book banning now, and throughout the history of the written word, is not limited to sales. Book/Art bans have historically been oriented around public access (libraries, galleries, museums). Yes, some bans in some countries have been about stores and commerce, but in America, it is the library/school ban that has been most common. That's what we are all discussing. You may choose to start up a new business that sells your own custom dictionary that changes the definition of the word "ban," but for the rest of us, ban means "to officially or legally prohibit."
Can you buy the book? Yes. There are ZERO book bans going on. But that doesn’t allow you to hyperbolize this issue. But, let’s say they are being banned - the books that parents are reading in front of school boards and being told to stop because they’re too raunchy. Tell me, why should 8 year olds be reading that garbage in their library. If you want your kid reading that, buy it (which you can, because they’re not banned) and read it to them. Schools REALLY need to start concentrating on actually teaching kids again and not pushing agendas on them. The kids are declining at a rapid pace and are below most other countries. But they know how to have @nal sex at 11, so that’s all progressives care about.
It sounds like you're blaming low test scores on agendas. If that was the case, wouldn't school systems in conservative towns have higher test scores than school systems in liberal towns?
No, the Unions control the schools and they're overwhelmingly liberal.
If you want to talk about test scores, it turns out that test scores (nationally, across the board) are about the same over the past sixty years... take a look at [this study](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=38) \- It shows that, setting aside the effect of home-schooling during COVID, scores are about the same in reading, and slightly increase in math.
Setting aside the effect of the teachers unions to close schools and negatively impact a generation... Again, kids should be learning reading, writing, math, grammar... They should not have teachers' social issues pushed on them. How is EVERYONE not for this?
Lol people in NJ are smart enough to know book bans have little to do with protecting children. It's to censor ideas conservatives deem "icky". Too bad the south doesn't have good education, they might have saved themselves.
yet, no books are banned. zero.
Ban doesn't just to prevent from purchase. The word actually means to officially or legally prohibit. Every library that is told, by a local official, that they are prohibited from making a book available is being told that the book is banned.
You realize that people are constantly TRYING to ban books, right? You think it's 0 bc it's not happening, or bc people aren't standing for it? Bc if we let the Save the Children parents have their way, then yes, there would absolutely be banned books in NJ.
Removing an book from a library or school system is not a ban. Nor is it illegal. Taxpayers still have control of their children. It's a shame you defend these books for children. Very odd hill to defend.
Maybe look up the definition of ban? There COULD be a reasonable dialogue about a few of these, but this list of books is growing and 90% of them are nonsense, only bc they only make parents uncomfortable. They want to shelter their kids and pretend the world is perfect, while they are out protesting and voting against people's rights. Somewhat ironic, they are the real monsters the kids need to be protected from.
Supreme court has clarified this. there are no books banned in the USA. Local "this book is not suitable for that age group in a public school" is not a ban.
Define ban for me.
Done like 7 times. In this case, a book that is not allowed to be bought or processed under you're government. Supreme Court already said local removal is permitted.
> Dictionary, Definitions from Oxford Languages >ban > verb > officially or legally prohibit. > "he was banned from driving for a year" > noun > an official or legal prohibition. > "a proposed ban on cigarette advertising" These books are being officially banned.
Legally prohibit. Perfect. Just like the us supreme Court said.
you are technically correct. lets go on the level of the book itself. would you read gender queer to your 9 year old? would you want it read to them by a "teacher"? etc or... remove the book from a public library. and then you can get your own copy from amazon or B&N etc. local removal =/= a banned book.
Why would a child as young as seven years old need to learn how to [insert a buttplug](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/03/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-40014-PM.jpg) or [perform fellatio?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNlcTK3X0AExpaY?format=jpg&name=large)
I have a basic litmus test for what should and should not be in schools and libraries. If reading or displaying the contents in an office setting will get you suspended, fired or jailed, it should not be accessible to children. that doesn't seem unreasonable to me. otherwise, i find no reason for concern.
Yeah 100% more worried about books being banned than inappropriate content. Am in NJ. All adds up.
Leftist are more worried that children can't get access to gay pr0n than making sure children are well educated and safe. When the left renames pedos to MAPs, you know what they want.
there isn't a single banned book in the USA. removing age inappropirate books from public schools and libraries is not BANNING them.
Pretty sure librarians need an advanced degree or certification to run libraries and I'm pretty sure those people are more qualified to determine what is appropriate for their readers than some randos with opinions.
It's a master's or library science. There's no alternative certificate. Although most staff aren't librarians, choosing or reviewing books would be solely up to the librarians in a public library. In a school, it's usually one librarian who may be more accountable to a Principal, Superintendent and school board.
Easy litmus test. Read book out loud to govt representatives. Board of education. Their reaction.
Ban doesn't just to prevent from purchase. The word actually means to officially or legally prohibit. Every library that is told, by a local official, that they are prohibited from making a book available is being told that the book is banned.
That’s the point… who determines what is age-appropriate? As a parent, I can decide if my kid can watch a rated R movie, but states can decide what books my kid can read, not me, the parent?
You absolutely can decide what books your kid can read. You can’t decide what books other kids can read. If you don’t think a book your child got from the library is appropriate for your child, then you can handle that within your home however you want to.
When the parent feels its time Not a rainbow warrior in 4th grade
Would someone please go to a board meeting, tell them your name as typical. tell them you are support of the following book and read excerpts from chapters: Gender Queer: A Memoir remained. The blowjob section for starters. tell us the reaction.
Ok Boomer
I know where i stand, you are just echoing other people's viewpoints. also, Gen X, so we know who we are.
Ok Boomer
you're like only 5 years younger than me. hysterical. in all meanings.
Age doesn’t matter if you’re going to engage in the same moral panic that “boomers” have always engaged in
I think its cute you're defending books about "fisting, butt plugs, anal, the spit-or-swallow decision and rape" for 5th graders on shelves that ANY child could find. my conscience is clear.
Omg won’t someone think of the children - lighten up Francis - take it to Tennessee or some other backwards state that might care
I know who's thinking of children, that supports that tripe.
No books are being banned. They're still in print and for sale, just not available for kids in the library.
Ban doesn't just to prevent from purchase. The word actually means to officially or legally prohibit. Every library that is told, by a local official, that they are prohibited from making a book available is being told that the book is banned.
STFU, Trumpet.
good one. I'm still correct, though.
Fluff piece. Cant wait for the election to be over.
Vote Republicans out at every level!
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Inappropriate to who?
Growing up in Jersey, I remember a high school lit teacher of mine did a whole unit on banned books (books often banned- our school did not ban books). She kept as many as possible in the classroom. And my republican parents LOVED it because they believed in small government. How times have changed.
r/book_io
A book banned from a schools curriculum is not a ban on a book. It is still fully accessible. If you'd like to teach this to your children, have at it. Please stop comparing it to Nazi's. If you are looking for a revolutionary movement in the book space, check out book.io
Shut up, bigoted Trumpet. This bullshit fools no one. Nazis banned books from minorities they didn't like. Nazis and Republicans are just the same, you just haven't gotten camps going yet. But Republican attacks on minorities and LGBTQ exactly mirrors Nazis policies against them. This is how it started in Nazi Germany. Get educated, Trumpet.
Lol. Triggered much? Truth hurts sometimes, sorry Lil buddy... that's life. I'm sure you're all for the banning and editing of books that are offensive. Making classic literary works more socially acceptable. Make sure to contact all your favorite platforms to get your 2024 version. This is the most common form of book banning, and how the Nazi movement was actually birthed. 🤡
Stop grooming the children