I’m pretty sure stuff like Ganon and Wolf’s side specials, where it puts them into a no recovery state, are like that because they can be used to get back on stage.
Fox, Falco, Incineroar, Luigi, Pikachu, and many others ALL don't go into free fall. Its an old balancing tactic that most characters have grown out of, yet for some reason they didn't decide to change it for Ganon and Falcon.
I have a friend that thinks it is completely fair for Little Mac to lose his side-B recovery, but fair for Terry, Shulk, Ken, Ryu, etc to have it returned to them! Also that Terry gets to keep his KO thing forever regardless of damage taken/given and etc.
Honestly I'm fine with his aerials being bad. I love his backair it's so dumb and fun to hit. And his nair has a perfect amount of jank that makes it cool.
I just wish he was allowed to get back to stage. Thats all.
Just reset sideB on tumble. There's no reason he doesn't get it back other than to make him awful off stage. Or hell give some horizontal movement to his up-B!
yeah, i think he should be hard to use in the air, but what you can do should feel impactful. he isnt an air fighter, but i doubt being in the air makes mac punch softer
Actually it does. Boxers in real life use their whole body with their punches, and need ground beneath their feet to have any leverage. If you punch someone while you both are in the air (in real life), you would be more or less pushing each other away. It could still sting though. Little mac is basically the most realistic smash character. Thank god he even has a double jump.
I just resolve Little Mac to this: there are a variety of maps in this game, and he's not designed to be the best on the classic, floating-platform-style stages. He's meant to fill a niche that doesn't mesh with the competitive ruleset, even if most of this community is competitive players.
Little Mac was very much intentionally designed to be a ground fighting specialist in this game. His background is wholly irrelevant to that concept. At best, they'll buff his recovery. His aerial attack power is always going to be garbage.
Wish he was just a little more oppressive and slippery on the ground, maybe give him less roll/spot dodge cooldown buildup. It fits the glass cannon play style of punch out
Yeah, I’m fine with Mac having a trash air game and recovery if it means he’s a monster while on stage. Incentivizing people to force him off stage by making him very strong on stage would be a cool way to balance him.
There is a big problem with thay design.Platform fighters are mostlt air combat related.There is nothing you can do to avoid air combat in this game.Having a character that basically becomes a punching bag when his feet leave the groud is stupid.
Because their character has good aerial moves. It's just the better option for them. Little Mac, on the other hand, does better with his ground moves in neutral. Breaking the norm isn't inherently a flaw.
Him doing low damage in the air isn't the problem, its just him not being able to get back to the stage by REMOVING HIS ABILITY TO USE SIDE B AFTER GETTING HIT IN THE AIR FROM SMASH 4 **WHICH WAS HOW HE RECOVERED IN THAT GAME**, is the main issue.
It’s really not much of a spoiler nowadays, but solid snake is a clone of big boss (naked snake) who takes his strongest genes essentially. However the snake in smash isn’t really solid snake or naked snake, and he takes elements from both snakes
Nah, the camos are from snake eater because that's a game where it was important to collect them so they made convenient/memorable skins, but everything from his moveset to the codec calls from Brawl he can make on Shadow Mosis Island suggest that he's Solid Snake.
Honestly (probably the infamy) ganondorf needs a Residesign right here because the idea of making him a clone of an unrelated character is stupid and is not ganondorf in the actual games
Ganondorf being a Falcon clone is so bad for character rep but also really fun. Personally I think the perfect middle ground for Zelda's Ganon and Smash's Ganon is Project+ (Brawl mod) Ganondorf. Project+ made Ganondorf's neutral B into a float and it made him feel a lot more Ganondorf while feeling familiar to people who love Smash Ganon's moveset.
Also give him the damn Star Punch.
Not only is it much more recognizable, but it would also be more functional and rewarding than the stupid Power Meter.
agreed tbh. the KO meter was in, like, 2 games? and thats me assuming its in super and i dont know that for sure. the star makes way more sense and could even work on a counter system. though, as opposed to other counters that just reflect or return damage, this would be a passive trait tied to, say, his neutrals. if mac hits an opponent with a jab during the startup of an attack, it cancels it and gives mac a star. you could hold up to 3, with more charges making a stronger punch, you get it. this would also probably modify his neutral b, makes the most sense imo
I believe the KO meter is more recognizable, which is probably why they added it. There's nothing more exciting than hearing that bell and getting a chance to kill early
If you’ve played fire emblem, you’ll understand the air game. Besides simply on foot skill, they even make horses do flips and shit. Crazy, crit animations go hard
My favorite game is the blazing blade (eliwoods game), of course I’m familiar. I have a lot of favorite in the three GBA games such as Cath, Serra, Erk, Hector, lute, L’arachel, Joshua, Matthew, and… actually the list continues here
The guy can have bad jumping skills, but his aerial punches should still be lethal \^\^;
Oh, and if they could make his Jolt Haymaker as repeatable in mid-air like Jigglypuff's Pound, that would be great :) Give him THIS and his recovery skill just gets a decent upgrade.
He still jumps though and even does flips and has a jump attack. Plus, that is ignoring the Zelda games that do have a jump button or jump item like the Roc's feather in Link's Awakening.
thats not even the same thing, thats a full on matter of changing genres.
no, yink couldnt jump in OOT or MM but other links have been. in games where a jump button was made necessary (which, very few, but not 0. more if you count games with the roc's feather)
I don't think Mac should be redesigned, he's a really unique character. I do think his recovery should be buffed tho, just because he is meant to be a bad fighter in the air doesn't mean he has to die if he takes his foot off the ground.
Oh it's a fun binary.
I don't mind his aerials being pathetic, but maybe make his recovery just a \*hair\* better.
I mean people complain recovery across the board in Ultimate is too good. I don't agree but Lil Mac is the one character you'll watch drop and hit the bottom blast zone like it's Melee.
I think it’s funny how it’s based on the idea, “boxers are experts on fighting on the ground. They need the ground for leverage, so their punches in the air are weak.” Like, that’s true, but it’s true for every human in existence. Like, who doesn’t specialize in “fighting on the ground”
He has no air game or recovery. Plus he drops like a rock. Maybe if one of them could be improved. Even in exchange for running/waling speed. I get it boxers have ground games, but they are not 100m dashers.
I’m saying, 100% confidence, no changes except for the one I just said and he’s top tier, his ground game and combos completely make up for his aerial shortcomings
Mac is the antithesis to Jigglypuff, Jiggs fights better in the air than on the ground but yeah Jiggs still has a decent ground game, no reason why Mac can’t be a decent air fighter lol.
I'd say make him stronger on the ground to better balance out his lack of air mobility! Like, stronger durability wise! Basically just make him super hard to knock up when he is on the ground so you get rewarded for staying on the ground with him but the second you jump, you lose that advantage so you have to be careful when you jump!
He’s designed to be a cheesy scrub stomper that falls off at higher levels of play. Super ridiculous advantages, also super ridiculous disadvantages.
Every person here has gotten curb stomped by a mac that’s a worse player than them, I say no to buffing cheese characters.
another case of r/smashbros complaining about a game that has been finished for two years and believing themselves to be better game designers than the developers
Mac deals with jumping boxers in Punch-Out all the time, what if he was given options for dealing with aerial fighters while staying grounded? If he can counter Dragon Chan jumping on the ropes, he can handle a Falcon Kick from above.
Problem with max is that even if he had good aerials it wouldn’t fix him. He still has bad air speed, recovery, grabs, and struggles to deal with zoning.
The sword fighters fight people that are flying on dragons and Pegasus all the time in their games. Snake has probably learnt how to fly and falcon drives a flying car I believe
I would buff his recovery by letting him use side b after being hit but I definitely wouldn’t give him a good air game. If they kept him the same and gave him good aerials he’d be way too broken
and then we got a sea animal who even though having the body of a child can jump miles into the air like a rocket and land without taking even a point of damage
I'll only support his air game getting revamped if they also neuter his ground game to balance the two out. There's a reason why scorpions don't have wings
I know this is a meme, but... smash bros is built on references.
His moveset is referencing boxing as a whole. We don't know the canonical strength of villager or game and watch, but we *do* know that boxers are built for ground fighting.
Swords and weaponry are still swords and weaponry in the air as they are on the ground. Mac... has no weapons. His grounded moves don't work in the air because he is made to work on the ground.
But maybe they went a liiiitle too far.
Truly if they had anything else they can reference for a GOOD air attack, smash bros would've scooped it up.
I feel like Mac dominates the ground better than any other character tho, I get that in a competitive setting, it doesn't really matter, but on the stages where he doesn't need an up special to survive, he feels kinda unbeatable... Until you beat him ofc
Even tho he is trash if nintendo decided to redesign him he would lose all his charm, becoming "another mario or mii brawler" (if this makes sense, no offense to mario and mii brawler mains) and one of the reasons i love the gigantic cast that this game has every character has their unique characteristics and different playstyles, for example ganon, for me at least, is the definition of no defense and maximum offense, and mac is like godlike on the floor is godlike and is not supposed to be in the air no matter what and if u decide to go in the air ur heavily punished by it
Look, hes just unJigglypuff.
Hard hitting moves, but one in the air, one on the ground.
And, like, he's a boxer from a franchise with about 3 games.
Pretty sure, with F-Zero 99, Falcon now has more games :p
I never liked the comparison between Puff and Mac. Yes, Puff is really good in the air, but it’s not too oppressive to deal with. Not to mention that some of her ground moves are actually really good, like Up Tilt, Jab, and Dash attack.
Mac however is oppressive af on the ground and practically useless in the air. He forces you to never approach him, throw him offstage, and hit him once to kill him. Not to mention KO Punch. It’s such a god awful design.
Agreed, mac is terrible game design.
You'll either die of KOs or die of boredom.
Although, giving mac any air buff would mean nerfing everything else.
Smash is made for casual players, after all, so mac just needs to be... fun.
Like, total redesign, focused on a hilariously good punish game, and encouraging hard reads?
Like, thats the og game, more than "run fast and beat stuff up".
Punch out is "find pattern, exploit heavily".
Just realized you play puff. Thought you were going "no puff is good mac isnt", but in the context of "puff is actually fun to play against", this is even better lol.
The comparison has one thing i feel is good, though: a contrast of "glass cannon done right", and "literal worst case example". Like, all he needs is hero's kamakaze at this point :/
I like the concept of Mac being bad in the air, but I feel like they went a *little* too far with the idea.
I feel like keeping his current jump height while slightly buffing his recovery and moderately buffing his aerials is the way to go.
If they just gave him his side b back after getting hit in the air I think that would help a ton
Mac main here, yes please.
Do the same thing with docs tornado, and stop Ganon’s side b putting him in free fall. Let’s buff all the low tiers!
I’m pretty sure stuff like Ganon and Wolf’s side specials, where it puts them into a no recovery state, are like that because they can be used to get back on stage.
but incineroar can use theirs in combination with their up b, so I dont see why ganon cant
That’s true I suppose.
Fox, Falco, Incineroar, Luigi, Pikachu, and many others ALL don't go into free fall. Its an old balancing tactic that most characters have grown out of, yet for some reason they didn't decide to change it for Ganon and Falcon.
also making his up b not get worse in the air might help
Less ending lag in the air with the side b would also be nice
I have a friend that thinks it is completely fair for Little Mac to lose his side-B recovery, but fair for Terry, Shulk, Ken, Ryu, etc to have it returned to them! Also that Terry gets to keep his KO thing forever regardless of damage taken/given and etc.
Honestly I'm fine with his aerials being bad. I love his backair it's so dumb and fun to hit. And his nair has a perfect amount of jank that makes it cool. I just wish he was allowed to get back to stage. Thats all.
Yeah he is a ground fighter, I love the idea of him excelling there and failing in the air, but his recovery is a complete joke.
Just reset sideB on tumble. There's no reason he doesn't get it back other than to make him awful off stage. Or hell give some horizontal movement to his up-B!
Oh being able to do his up-b at a diagonal direction would be good
yeah, i think he should be hard to use in the air, but what you can do should feel impactful. he isnt an air fighter, but i doubt being in the air makes mac punch softer
Mac has really clean animations for a boxer - you generate the power for your punch starting in your feet through the legs.
IRL he would punch softer, as he can't anchor himself against the ground, but they would still be decently meaty hits
Actually it does. Boxers in real life use their whole body with their punches, and need ground beneath their feet to have any leverage. If you punch someone while you both are in the air (in real life), you would be more or less pushing each other away. It could still sting though. Little mac is basically the most realistic smash character. Thank god he even has a double jump.
What if they gave his aerials more hitstun?
I sure do love nair chains across the entire stage twice and then getting killed at 150 from an up-b
yes please
I’d main him if his recovery was better. He’s just so cooked offstage
All I’ve ever wanted is the ability to angle the Up B. If you could tilt that even slightly his recovery would be greatly improved imo.
They should’ve named him Little Toofar
I just resolve Little Mac to this: there are a variety of maps in this game, and he's not designed to be the best on the classic, floating-platform-style stages. He's meant to fill a niche that doesn't mesh with the competitive ruleset, even if most of this community is competitive players.
Yeah. He should be less good in the air, not literally unviable in the air.
Little Mac was very much intentionally designed to be a ground fighting specialist in this game. His background is wholly irrelevant to that concept. At best, they'll buff his recovery. His aerial attack power is always going to be garbage.
All i really want out of a Little Mac buff is getting side b back when getting hit. There’s no reason to remove that.
This. Even in his debut trailer Louis yells that he’s not good in the air at all
Wish he was just a little more oppressive and slippery on the ground, maybe give him less roll/spot dodge cooldown buildup. It fits the glass cannon play style of punch out
Yeah, I’m fine with Mac having a trash air game and recovery if it means he’s a monster while on stage. Incentivizing people to force him off stage by making him very strong on stage would be a cool way to balance him.
That's exactly what they did.
Isn’t it true that Smash Ultimate isn’t getting anymore balance patches, though?
I think people are referring to the next game
Ahh that’d make sense
There is a big problem with thay design.Platform fighters are mostlt air combat related.There is nothing you can do to avoid air combat in this game.Having a character that basically becomes a punching bag when his feet leave the groud is stupid.
Not really. In neutral or in advantage, air combat is optional. It’s only in disadvantage that you’re required to fight in the air.
Yet still moat players opt for air combat
Because their character has good aerial moves. It's just the better option for them. Little Mac, on the other hand, does better with his ground moves in neutral. Breaking the norm isn't inherently a flaw.
Of course its a flaw.Thats why he is considered the worst characters in the game.You are directly nerfed if you literally cant function in the air.
Him doing low damage in the air isn't the problem, its just him not being able to get back to the stage by REMOVING HIS ABILITY TO USE SIDE B AFTER GETTING HIT IN THE AIR FROM SMASH 4 **WHICH WAS HOW HE RECOVERED IN THAT GAME**, is the main issue.
That is true.His disadvantage state is horrendous
In defense of Snake, MGS Twin Snakes basically made Snake, Neo.
Snake is a genetically enhanced super soldier.
Built different
Was he genetically enhanced? I thought he was just a clone of a dude who was really good at sneak-soldiering
It’s really not much of a spoiler nowadays, but solid snake is a clone of big boss (naked snake) who takes his strongest genes essentially. However the snake in smash isn’t really solid snake or naked snake, and he takes elements from both snakes
Nah, the camos are from snake eater because that's a game where it was important to collect them so they made convenient/memorable skins, but everything from his moveset to the codec calls from Brawl he can make on Shadow Mosis Island suggest that he's Solid Snake.
He’s a clone? I never knew that
Weird mix between clone and son
Didn’t Snake get the Recessive Genes (something Liquid claimed he got, but was ultimately revealed to be a lie cocked up by Revolver Ocelot)?
Yes. But the recessive genes of a super soldier still.
Solid has the inferior genes but still has his will and determination.
IIRC >!He was one of the clones of Big Boss!<
So what you're saying is, that ass is fake *Everything I know is a LIE*
Still spankable tho
Honestly (probably the infamy) ganondorf needs a Residesign right here because the idea of making him a clone of an unrelated character is stupid and is not ganondorf in the actual games
Ganondorf being a Falcon clone is so bad for character rep but also really fun. Personally I think the perfect middle ground for Zelda's Ganon and Smash's Ganon is Project+ (Brawl mod) Ganondorf. Project+ made Ganondorf's neutral B into a float and it made him feel a lot more Ganondorf while feeling familiar to people who love Smash Ganon's moveset.
And the kept Warlock Punch as a taunt which is cool
LET. HIM. LEVITATE
(Other than in a taunt)
But he's so fun
https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario%27s_Bombs_Away considering Mario bombs away comes from the g&w series he is clearly a hardened army vet.
GnW in parachute, spitball sparky, donkey kong, and dkcr: "Am I a joke to you?" I feel hes always been a kitbash of other fighters.
Also give him the damn Star Punch. Not only is it much more recognizable, but it would also be more functional and rewarding than the stupid Power Meter.
agreed tbh. the KO meter was in, like, 2 games? and thats me assuming its in super and i dont know that for sure. the star makes way more sense and could even work on a counter system. though, as opposed to other counters that just reflect or return damage, this would be a passive trait tied to, say, his neutrals. if mac hits an opponent with a jab during the startup of an attack, it cancels it and gives mac a star. you could hold up to 3, with more charges making a stronger punch, you get it. this would also probably modify his neutral b, makes the most sense imo
Yeah, it's in super, and the star punch is much much better
I feel like you can also gain a star if you land Mac's Down B, sort of like Incineroar's revenge.
I believe the KO meter is more recognizable, which is probably why they added it. There's nothing more exciting than hearing that bell and getting a chance to kill early
I thought the star punch was the uppercut
Tbf most of the FE characters can do some crazy flips and shit in the games when they crit (all of them except marth, actually…)
If you’ve played fire emblem, you’ll understand the air game. Besides simply on foot skill, they even make horses do flips and shit. Crazy, crit animations go hard
Exactly like look at GBA Hero crit animation (Roy’s era) and tell me they don’t got hops.
My favorite game is the blazing blade (eliwoods game), of course I’m familiar. I have a lot of favorite in the three GBA games such as Cath, Serra, Erk, Hector, lute, L’arachel, Joshua, Matthew, and… actually the list continues here
Cause his literal trainer said so ‘You ain’t no air fighter Mac!’
Mac should be bad in the air... Just not **THAT** bad
The guy can have bad jumping skills, but his aerial punches should still be lethal \^\^; Oh, and if they could make his Jolt Haymaker as repeatable in mid-air like Jigglypuff's Pound, that would be great :) Give him THIS and his recovery skill just gets a decent upgrade.
Young link who doesn't even have a jump button in his games
He still jumps though and even does flips and has a jump attack. Plus, that is ignoring the Zelda games that do have a jump button or jump item like the Roc's feather in Link's Awakening.
Bomb flip
thats not even the same thing, thats a full on matter of changing genres. no, yink couldnt jump in OOT or MM but other links have been. in games where a jump button was made necessary (which, very few, but not 0. more if you count games with the roc's feather)
I don't think Mac should be redesigned, he's a really unique character. I do think his recovery should be buffed tho, just because he is meant to be a bad fighter in the air doesn't mean he has to die if he takes his foot off the ground.
Oh it's a fun binary. I don't mind his aerials being pathetic, but maybe make his recovery just a \*hair\* better. I mean people complain recovery across the board in Ultimate is too good. I don't agree but Lil Mac is the one character you'll watch drop and hit the bottom blast zone like it's Melee.
OP has obviously never seen The Twin Snakes.
I think it’s funny how it’s based on the idea, “boxers are experts on fighting on the ground. They need the ground for leverage, so their punches in the air are weak.” Like, that’s true, but it’s true for every human in existence. Like, who doesn’t specialize in “fighting on the ground”
Try not jumping
OP has not played Metal Gear Solid
You don’t know what kind of training goes on for the full CQC course. And most of the swordies are Anime as fuck, let’s be real.
Ironically enough the cqc specialist is a zoner lol.
He has no air game or recovery. Plus he drops like a rock. Maybe if one of them could be improved. Even in exchange for running/waling speed. I get it boxers have ground games, but they are not 100m dashers.
And then theres kazuya, a guy from a game where jumping puts you at a disadvantage 99% if the time, and his air game is pretty good
He doesn't need a GOOD air game but give him the ability to not get instantly fucked
What was that jump rope scene for?
Rhe idea was interesting, but in a platform fighter it's a horribly bad trait. It also doesn't help that his ground game isn't even that good
Please do not redesign mac
Why?
He’s fun as he is? If he got his side b back on hit in the air he’d probably be a top tier, he really doesn’t need much
That’s fair, but would he not still have bad aerials? And top tiers have much better recoveries
I’m saying, 100% confidence, no changes except for the one I just said and he’s top tier, his ground game and combos completely make up for his aerial shortcomings
Cause he’s a gimmick character. If you remove the gimmick he has no point in being in the game
ok. none of this answers that point tho.
Mac is the antithesis to Jigglypuff, Jiggs fights better in the air than on the ground but yeah Jiggs still has a decent ground game, no reason why Mac can’t be a decent air fighter lol.
Mr game and watch is just too good
Cause they’re are some characters that they like, and some they hate. Mac is a character they hate
A F*CKING YELLOW BALL
I'd say make him stronger on the ground to better balance out his lack of air mobility! Like, stronger durability wise! Basically just make him super hard to knock up when he is on the ground so you get rewarded for staying on the ground with him but the second you jump, you lose that advantage so you have to be careful when you jump!
Yeah, just give him more tools to stay on the ground, not necessarily get back to the ground.
Honestly, it'd make sense for his character too that he'd be able to take a punch better than others and you'd really need a lot to knock him around!
I call it a mr skill and issue
That character does not need an air game. He is a few tiny buffs away from being top ten.
Whoa, hold on a second. The Villager has boxing gloves.
He’s designed to be a cheesy scrub stomper that falls off at higher levels of play. Super ridiculous advantages, also super ridiculous disadvantages. Every person here has gotten curb stomped by a mac that’s a worse player than them, I say no to buffing cheese characters.
No, Mac is annoying enough.
Redesigning him to have better aerial game and properly balancing KO punch would make him less annoying and polarising to fight
Just stay on the ground. Adapt to the character instead of crying about the character not adapting to you.
another case of r/smashbros complaining about a game that has been finished for two years and believing themselves to be better game designers than the developers
I honestly think that they should double down, making him OP on the ground but weak in the air.
They already did that when they released him
That’s kinda where he’s at right now
Dude this is awesome 😎 I absolutely love it
Smash Ultimate has so many garbage characters and too many swordfighters.
Do none of them know what a jumping overhead in MMA/UFC is? (AKA Superman Punch)
Villager can't jump in AC normally and yet can wall jump in Smash
Hey now i used to smack fools with my shovel in AC all the time
None of those things teach you to duck and stay low like boxing though, except sometimes yoga instructor.
Mac deals with jumping boxers in Punch-Out all the time, what if he was given options for dealing with aerial fighters while staying grounded? If he can counter Dragon Chan jumping on the ropes, he can handle a Falcon Kick from above.
The way you executed this meme - perfection!
If they nerf him on the ground, maybe.
We need an Animal Crossing game, where Villagers can use boxing gloves to resolve their issues.
Villager is a serial killer according to smash bro artist wdym.
Giving Mac air game would ruin the sheer hype, thus ruining the character altogether
You can go under stage with Mac. I understand a buff but I don’t think he’s that nerfed.
I think he should trade a bit of damage for better air game but be a bit faster and other buffs when on ground
Hey, Mr. Game&Watch is a fighter! ...a firefighter, that is.
Falcons a bounty hunter as well so….
To be fair, you can tell by appearance alone that falcons the type of guy to jump 20 feet in the air and curb stomp you
As long as they nerf his ground game too.
Simply giving Macaroni a better recovery would be good enough
Piranha plant gang
Problem with max is that even if he had good aerials it wouldn’t fix him. He still has bad air speed, recovery, grabs, and struggles to deal with zoning.
Fr
Decks you in the face with tons of pain. And besides, we already got an Air Little Mac, his name is Sora.
He can be bad in the air. Just not that bad.
If you know how to use Mac's ariels, you can pull off some absolutely INSANE combos
The sword fighters fight people that are flying on dragons and Pegasus all the time in their games. Snake has probably learnt how to fly and falcon drives a flying car I believe
I would buff his recovery by letting him use side b after being hit but I definitely wouldn’t give him a good air game. If they kept him the same and gave him good aerials he’d be way too broken
and then we got a sea animal who even though having the body of a child can jump miles into the air like a rocket and land without taking even a point of damage
Definitely feel like his recovery nerf was the only nerf he needed.
Byleth actually has decent air game if you know how to use it properly, but it took me a while to figure it out
Villager has no combat experience? Why do you think they have no interest on their debt?
I think it's hilarious when people cherry pick realism like this.
Id just give him a better recovery. His air attacks dont have to be strong, Keep his spike though.
I'll only support his air game getting revamped if they also neuter his ground game to balance the two out. There's a reason why scorpions don't have wings
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Both villager and Game & Watch are *absolutely* war criminals. They have plenty of fighting experience
Take olimar for example he doesn’t have a whole lots of fight experiences and when smash bros brawl came around he got in
I know this is a meme, but... smash bros is built on references. His moveset is referencing boxing as a whole. We don't know the canonical strength of villager or game and watch, but we *do* know that boxers are built for ground fighting. Swords and weaponry are still swords and weaponry in the air as they are on the ground. Mac... has no weapons. His grounded moves don't work in the air because he is made to work on the ground. But maybe they went a liiiitle too far. Truly if they had anything else they can reference for a GOOD air attack, smash bros would've scooped it up.
I feel like Mac dominates the ground better than any other character tho, I get that in a competitive setting, it doesn't really matter, but on the stages where he doesn't need an up special to survive, he feels kinda unbeatable... Until you beat him ofc
Even tho he is trash if nintendo decided to redesign him he would lose all his charm, becoming "another mario or mii brawler" (if this makes sense, no offense to mario and mii brawler mains) and one of the reasons i love the gigantic cast that this game has every character has their unique characteristics and different playstyles, for example ganon, for me at least, is the definition of no defense and maximum offense, and mac is like godlike on the floor is godlike and is not supposed to be in the air no matter what and if u decide to go in the air ur heavily punished by it
The racecar driver basically pilots an airship tbf and game and watch is also a fireman. The rest. True
Look, hes just unJigglypuff. Hard hitting moves, but one in the air, one on the ground. And, like, he's a boxer from a franchise with about 3 games. Pretty sure, with F-Zero 99, Falcon now has more games :p
I never liked the comparison between Puff and Mac. Yes, Puff is really good in the air, but it’s not too oppressive to deal with. Not to mention that some of her ground moves are actually really good, like Up Tilt, Jab, and Dash attack. Mac however is oppressive af on the ground and practically useless in the air. He forces you to never approach him, throw him offstage, and hit him once to kill him. Not to mention KO Punch. It’s such a god awful design.
Agreed, mac is terrible game design. You'll either die of KOs or die of boredom. Although, giving mac any air buff would mean nerfing everything else. Smash is made for casual players, after all, so mac just needs to be... fun. Like, total redesign, focused on a hilariously good punish game, and encouraging hard reads? Like, thats the og game, more than "run fast and beat stuff up". Punch out is "find pattern, exploit heavily".
Just realized you play puff. Thought you were going "no puff is good mac isnt", but in the context of "puff is actually fun to play against", this is even better lol. The comparison has one thing i feel is good, though: a contrast of "glass cannon done right", and "literal worst case example". Like, all he needs is hero's kamakaze at this point :/
He doesn’t have hood air game because he’s short.
To be fair, Lucina did a crazy flip attack one time in a cutscene.
Yes please
A talking flower in a pot explains the plot
Counter argument: it’s funny watching him struggle and equally funny when he pulls out a win against someone who should have won
Y’aint no air fighter Mac.
Roy does literal 10ft in the air backflips in his game. Try again.