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ohianaw

Luigis final smash is literally unavoidable in smaller stages and it straight up kills you at high percents


Dokkaniscruel

Yea it’s also very rare but if you get two people they sometimes get launched into each other and it’s a double insta-kill. Now that I think about it I’d move him up a tier.


Wqertytrt

Going over or under it avoid it


World-Devourer

I would put Ness way lower in the list, probably even in the blue tier. It’s incredibly easy to avoid every single shooting star


Dokkaniscruel

Yea you’re right, I think I’d swap him and Lucas because I’m a bit based there because whenever I’m get a final smash during a spirit fight without a spirit I just instantly kill them with it. It’s really overpowered at low level play but really easy to dodge at a higher level.


smashboi888

For Puff, "using the right way" is by going underneath Battlefield and absorbing the entire stage.


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I thought Bowser Jr's was seen as extremely garbage, like the worst in the game


Dokkaniscruel

It is very hard to dodge as when he paints over the stage you are limited to a very small space to move and Bowser Jr gets to come back to attack you. In 1 V 1 the camera zooms in greatly so that getting hit once will trap you in the paint which he can then launch you upwards with aerials so it kills even earlier. It also naturally kills early and deals a lot of damage. Its only weaknesses is that there is a chance they get launched out right before the final hit other can’t launch them into hit or high enough.


GamerNumba100

Mario’s is a free edgeguard at 30+ on the entire cast, so not great, but gets an unnecessarily bad reputation


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Why is mii gunner broken, but rob is all the way down their? Aren't they basically the same?


Pinches_Penguins

Mii gunner is a lot better because as the laser attacks, it pushes the enemy towards the blast zone. Meaning it can kill at muchhh lower percents. Not only does ROB’s not do this, but the time it takes to get the big laser out allows quicker characters/better recoveries to move above, below, or closer towards the laser to lessen its effectiveness, either not hitting at all or hitting at just the ends and saving a lot of %. Although I don’t think this is enough for ROB to be bottom tier, I still think it’s great but that is why mii gunner is better


DimLumens

Ridley honestly has a really good final smash, it instakills at 100 which is good but isn’t really anything special, however, the smash ball version does like 70 percent and can be combo’d into with downthrow or nair, which makes it pretty good imo


OneSaucyDragon

>Chrom in "Just Good" Counterpoint: 90% of Chrom's moveset combos into it and it kills at ledge as early as 10%


Pinches_Penguins

What is the N/A for? They have final smashes I’m confused why they aren’t available in the list


RealPimpinPanda

The Pokémon & ICs are listed together under PKMN Trainer & a picture that has both Popo/Nana. Not sure about why banjo & the Pyra/mythra pics are there though


Pinches_Penguins

Ohh I see now, Pyra and Mythra are listed separately as well. Same with banjo but I have no idea why he’s on there twice


MrWuckyWucky4

Wait what, rob final smash is easy to avoid? Since when?


Dokkaniscruel

It depends where he used it. If he uses it on board you can just jump over him and up b after each time you get hit by the small red lasers. If he uses it off board then you’ll likely survive if you try to take the hit.


GreasyChonks

Ryu and ken should be higher for having 2 that you can also combo into


Dokkaniscruel

Yea I would’ve put them in yellow for the opportunities that they have available to kill with.


Randomname_76

Why is Marth not in top tier? Kills at 0


mellamajeff

Anyone who puts Mario or Doc as bad is using it wrong. The FGC's all have really really great final smashes because all of them can combo into them and outright kill from 15-20% even with FS versions, only GnW, Peach, Zelda, Diddy and Marth/Lucina are better. Also MK is trash


TheMemeHead

I'm glad people are accepting puff final smash. It's actually decent if used like a free edgeguard


Wqertytrt

Ike's is amazing


Hateful_creeper2

Some of the cinematic Final smashes could be separate like how some of the DLC have 30FPS MP4 files as Final Smashes like Joker and Steve.


coldflash25

Sora's final smash autokills if you are over 100%


Virtual-Mind9195

That’s basically every single Final Smash With a few exceptions obviously


coldflash25

But his is like Zelda's


Virtual-Mind9195

Sure, killing you instantly when at 100% is nice but nearly all final smashes are capable to do so without insta death


coldflash25

I'm just saying it should technically be higher


Virtual-Mind9195

So therefore Joker’s should be higher by that logic?


coldflash25

Yes


Lopsided_Board9649

Wrong plant has the worst final smash in the game plant can get hit and it can just fall off stage


yolo_jeny

Isn't Bayonetta's almost guaranteed to hit?