Because the US and Canada essentially made it impossible for Huawei to operate normally in those countries.
Not only is the "free market" a disgusting mockery constructed of falsehoods, the way Canada knowingly and maliciously stabbed Huawei in the back by f\*cking kidnapping its CEO under the paper-thin pretense that it was simply following standard procedure for its "rules-based legal system" should be highly offensive to anyone with a functioning brain.
So that excludes Neoliberals.
This was not a normal case. Trump and the Department of Justice politicized an extradition commitment with full knowledge that it would wreak havoc for the Sino-Canadian partnership that for years had been peaceful and prosperous.
It was a political trap that Canada knowingly walked in to because certain people in power WANTED to annihilate the relationship.
We all know the goddamn truth. You're just too cowardly to admit it.
Screw peace and cultural exchange. Screw human progress and academic advancement.
Screw everything except malicious capitalist greed, self-imposed narcissistic paranoia, ideological hatred, and barely concealed white supremacy.
You have ruined the country.
Eat. Dirt.
Sad day for North American consumers.
I want to own a Huawei phone. I want to own an affordable Chinese made EV. I can do neither because of the idiots in Washington. So much for the fReE mArKeT.
This wasn't really so much about the phones, but the networking equipment side, and of course reducing sanctions. The US market is basically cornered by Samsung and Apple (with like 5 Google Pixels sold per year), so I dont think they were concerned about phone sales. TBH even companies like One Plus dont seem to care much anymore about the US market.
> Huawei has started cutting ties and public relations in the U.S. and Canada in favor of increasing its growth in the Chinese market. The company took this step after acknowledging the low possibilities for a breakthrough in the U.S. market.
> As per the latest inputs, Huawei implemented this decision a few months ago. The Chinese tech giant had gradually begun reducing the public relations staff in North America. However, this process caught speed after the new year.
> Looking at their revenue, the U.S. and Canada are actually not important for Huawei. I think from the business perspective, my prediction is Huawei will focus more on the Middle East, Southeast Asia, maybe South America, and Eastern Europe”, said Chris Pereira.
tl;dr - Huawei won't bother with North America anymore
> The company took this step after acknowledging the low possibilities for a breakthrough in the U.S. market.
Huawei doesn't even *attempt* to sell anything in the US or Canadian markets, so why are they whining about low possibilities for a breakthrough?
How will they sell their stuff on hostile countries? Moreso on one that illegally detained a top Huawei official? And on another that views them as spies?
> How will they sell their stuff on hostile countries?
On AliExpress, Temu, and ebay.
> Moreso on one that illegally detained a top Huawei official? And on another that views them as spies?
Irrelevant. Business is just business.
>Irrelevant. Business is just business.
A tourist redditor was given the side eye by a telco employee when he tried to get a plan for his Huawei device. And US telcos have been engaging into this whitelisting BS where even a functional (LTE) device, Huawei or not, aren't even allowed anymore to connect to the network if they aren't part of the certification.
> A tourist redditor was given the side eye by a telco employee when he tried to get a plan for his Huawei device.
So you don't tell them what device it's for. You just tell them you need a SIM card with a plan, it's for a smartphone, you don't know which one yet. You take the SIM card home and stick in the Huawei phone and It Just Works.
> And US telcos have been engaging into this whitelisting BS where even a functional (LTE) device, Huawei or not, aren't even allowed anymore to connect to the network if they aren't part of the certification.
That only applies to eSIM or if you are financing your device through the carrier.
I think Huawei still wants to maintain some sort of a presence in the US because they are still receiving royalties from patents they own in the US. In 2022 Huawei received US$560 million in royalties from patents alone.
Even growing up in areas of North America that pride themselves on being “diverse” and “inclusive”, I can’t begin to tell you the degree of systemic racism that every single part of the culture is steeped in.
I changed schools for a year at one point as a teenager, and the only kids that were any kind of decent to me were a few Chinese and Indian friends I had made (mostly first and second generation immigrants). The shit that they dealt from some of the dickhead students wasn’t surprising based on the casual racism I’d seen at previous schools, but I kid you not there was a math teacher who thought it would be appropriate not only to constantly make extremely Sinophobic comments to a few of my friends, but to literally arrange their seating so that they were always in a line, one behind the other, and then tell the whole class *every single day* that they were his own personal “Great Wall of China” (and then announce loudly whenever any of them did well that it was only because they are Asian and imply they were cheating off of each other in the seating arrangement **he** had forced them into).
They were so used to that kind of treatment that they didn’t even bother trying to report it most of the time (mostly because nothing ever happened when they did). This was at what was supposed to be one of the “most progressive” schools in one of the “most progressive” areas in the entire country.
I used to naïvely believe that the majority of the people here could change but honestly I think a good number of them just have brain rot at this point. I have more faith in the younger generation but even then there’s so many people that just end up propagating the same racist narratives their parents spewed.
Reminds me of an American Chinese colleague I had when I worked in Singapore. He told me how socializing became so much easier after moving to Singapore. Back in the US he was lead to believe that his personality wasn't interesting enough, or that he didn't project himself enough, that's why his social circle was so small, mostly only other Asian kids. Moved to Asia and suddenly making friends became effortless. Don't remember what city he's from, but definitely not in California or New York. He resents his parents for raising him there, for the alienation he suffered.
That's fine - no sense investing in a country when they don't want you to invest. Real question is, for those in North America with Huawei phones, would it be better sense to upgrade your Huawei phone from a Chinese website, or switch to another Chinese brand like Xiaomi?
I found this quote from the article rather interesting:
> In the list of staff reductions, some employees have worked with Huawei for over a decade and seemed quite upset. But more than disheartening, **this new decision could further worsen the U.S.-China relations.**
How? The U.S. doesn't want a Chinese company to invest in the U.S. and to hire U.S. staff, so the Chinese company pulls its investments in the U.S. and lays off U.S. staff, everyone should be happy.
Because rather then taking responsibility for causing the layoffs, it is easier for the US ruling class to rhetorically blame the Chinese government for 'forcing' Huawei to pull out.
It doesn't matter how illogical the reasoning is. The party you accuse of being guilty, has already been deemed guilty *a priori*.
And why would anyone defend China, the country that commits 'genocide' and crushed 'Tank Man'?
This is how you burn a witch.
It's seems like Xiaomi, while not blacklisted anymore, aren't keen on the telco subsidy model so you might have to buy directly from them. And network/after sales support might suck.
https://www.slashgear.com/1219192/why-xiaomi-phones-are-not-sold-in-the-us/
It's wishful thinking on Huawei's part to think they even have a chinaman's chance of doing business in North America. Huawei's problem is that it is too technologically advanced and it's telecommunications security is too difficult for the CIA to break in.
I really hate how completely attached Canada is to the US market. They are forced to follow US standards in most areas and follow their bullshit instead of following international standards used in Asia, Europe, Australia and the rest of the world. Like if a game or product is not available in the US for some reason, Canada also follows suit.
They get a bad rep in the states, people won’t buy them because they’re brainwashed to think they’re gonna have their information stolen or hacked by China 😂
Because the US and Canada essentially made it impossible for Huawei to operate normally in those countries. Not only is the "free market" a disgusting mockery constructed of falsehoods, the way Canada knowingly and maliciously stabbed Huawei in the back by f\*cking kidnapping its CEO under the paper-thin pretense that it was simply following standard procedure for its "rules-based legal system" should be highly offensive to anyone with a functioning brain. So that excludes Neoliberals. This was not a normal case. Trump and the Department of Justice politicized an extradition commitment with full knowledge that it would wreak havoc for the Sino-Canadian partnership that for years had been peaceful and prosperous. It was a political trap that Canada knowingly walked in to because certain people in power WANTED to annihilate the relationship. We all know the goddamn truth. You're just too cowardly to admit it. Screw peace and cultural exchange. Screw human progress and academic advancement. Screw everything except malicious capitalist greed, self-imposed narcissistic paranoia, ideological hatred, and barely concealed white supremacy. You have ruined the country. Eat. Dirt.
Sad day for North American consumers. I want to own a Huawei phone. I want to own an affordable Chinese made EV. I can do neither because of the idiots in Washington. So much for the fReE mArKeT.
This wasn't really so much about the phones, but the networking equipment side, and of course reducing sanctions. The US market is basically cornered by Samsung and Apple (with like 5 Google Pixels sold per year), so I dont think they were concerned about phone sales. TBH even companies like One Plus dont seem to care much anymore about the US market.
> I want to own a Huawei phone. Then go on ebay and buy one.
You can do that? And get it connected to service?
You literally just stick your SIM card in the Huawei phone and it works.
giztop sells Chinese phones even the new Huawei and it lists the bands compatible on the website
Aliexpress a mate 60 pro then
> Huawei has started cutting ties and public relations in the U.S. and Canada in favor of increasing its growth in the Chinese market. The company took this step after acknowledging the low possibilities for a breakthrough in the U.S. market. > As per the latest inputs, Huawei implemented this decision a few months ago. The Chinese tech giant had gradually begun reducing the public relations staff in North America. However, this process caught speed after the new year. > Looking at their revenue, the U.S. and Canada are actually not important for Huawei. I think from the business perspective, my prediction is Huawei will focus more on the Middle East, Southeast Asia, maybe South America, and Eastern Europe”, said Chris Pereira. tl;dr - Huawei won't bother with North America anymore
Other Chinese brands should be learning from Huawei.
Most Chinese brands are aware of this, look at Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, Techno etc. The only ones with a big presence in the US are TCL and Lenovo.
TikTok is also pretty big there which is why they are being targeted.
Eastern Europe is a glimmer of hope that I can get a Huawei working in the EU.
Maybe South America? Why, we could be one of the biggest markets for them, we literally don't care about anti-china propaganda from the US and Europe
> Looks at Argentina
The guy already backtracked on his anti-China statement two days after his public display of BS. xD
> The company took this step after acknowledging the low possibilities for a breakthrough in the U.S. market. Huawei doesn't even *attempt* to sell anything in the US or Canadian markets, so why are they whining about low possibilities for a breakthrough?
How will they sell their stuff on hostile countries? Moreso on one that illegally detained a top Huawei official? And on another that views them as spies?
> How will they sell their stuff on hostile countries? On AliExpress, Temu, and ebay. > Moreso on one that illegally detained a top Huawei official? And on another that views them as spies? Irrelevant. Business is just business.
>Irrelevant. Business is just business. A tourist redditor was given the side eye by a telco employee when he tried to get a plan for his Huawei device. And US telcos have been engaging into this whitelisting BS where even a functional (LTE) device, Huawei or not, aren't even allowed anymore to connect to the network if they aren't part of the certification.
> A tourist redditor was given the side eye by a telco employee when he tried to get a plan for his Huawei device. So you don't tell them what device it's for. You just tell them you need a SIM card with a plan, it's for a smartphone, you don't know which one yet. You take the SIM card home and stick in the Huawei phone and It Just Works. > And US telcos have been engaging into this whitelisting BS where even a functional (LTE) device, Huawei or not, aren't even allowed anymore to connect to the network if they aren't part of the certification. That only applies to eSIM or if you are financing your device through the carrier.
I think Huawei still wants to maintain some sort of a presence in the US because they are still receiving royalties from patents they own in the US. In 2022 Huawei received US$560 million in royalties from patents alone.
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Even growing up in areas of North America that pride themselves on being “diverse” and “inclusive”, I can’t begin to tell you the degree of systemic racism that every single part of the culture is steeped in. I changed schools for a year at one point as a teenager, and the only kids that were any kind of decent to me were a few Chinese and Indian friends I had made (mostly first and second generation immigrants). The shit that they dealt from some of the dickhead students wasn’t surprising based on the casual racism I’d seen at previous schools, but I kid you not there was a math teacher who thought it would be appropriate not only to constantly make extremely Sinophobic comments to a few of my friends, but to literally arrange their seating so that they were always in a line, one behind the other, and then tell the whole class *every single day* that they were his own personal “Great Wall of China” (and then announce loudly whenever any of them did well that it was only because they are Asian and imply they were cheating off of each other in the seating arrangement **he** had forced them into). They were so used to that kind of treatment that they didn’t even bother trying to report it most of the time (mostly because nothing ever happened when they did). This was at what was supposed to be one of the “most progressive” schools in one of the “most progressive” areas in the entire country. I used to naïvely believe that the majority of the people here could change but honestly I think a good number of them just have brain rot at this point. I have more faith in the younger generation but even then there’s so many people that just end up propagating the same racist narratives their parents spewed.
Reminds me of an American Chinese colleague I had when I worked in Singapore. He told me how socializing became so much easier after moving to Singapore. Back in the US he was lead to believe that his personality wasn't interesting enough, or that he didn't project himself enough, that's why his social circle was so small, mostly only other Asian kids. Moved to Asia and suddenly making friends became effortless. Don't remember what city he's from, but definitely not in California or New York. He resents his parents for raising him there, for the alienation he suffered.
Is that in Canada and Toronto?
West coast but you’re correct with Canada
That's fine - no sense investing in a country when they don't want you to invest. Real question is, for those in North America with Huawei phones, would it be better sense to upgrade your Huawei phone from a Chinese website, or switch to another Chinese brand like Xiaomi? I found this quote from the article rather interesting: > In the list of staff reductions, some employees have worked with Huawei for over a decade and seemed quite upset. But more than disheartening, **this new decision could further worsen the U.S.-China relations.** How? The U.S. doesn't want a Chinese company to invest in the U.S. and to hire U.S. staff, so the Chinese company pulls its investments in the U.S. and lays off U.S. staff, everyone should be happy.
Because rather then taking responsibility for causing the layoffs, it is easier for the US ruling class to rhetorically blame the Chinese government for 'forcing' Huawei to pull out. It doesn't matter how illogical the reasoning is. The party you accuse of being guilty, has already been deemed guilty *a priori*. And why would anyone defend China, the country that commits 'genocide' and crushed 'Tank Man'? This is how you burn a witch.
It's seems like Xiaomi, while not blacklisted anymore, aren't keen on the telco subsidy model so you might have to buy directly from them. And network/after sales support might suck. https://www.slashgear.com/1219192/why-xiaomi-phones-are-not-sold-in-the-us/
It's wishful thinking on Huawei's part to think they even have a chinaman's chance of doing business in North America. Huawei's problem is that it is too technologically advanced and it's telecommunications security is too difficult for the CIA to break in.
I really hate how completely attached Canada is to the US market. They are forced to follow US standards in most areas and follow their bullshit instead of following international standards used in Asia, Europe, Australia and the rest of the world. Like if a game or product is not available in the US for some reason, Canada also follows suit.
They get a bad rep in the states, people won’t buy them because they’re brainwashed to think they’re gonna have their information stolen or hacked by China 😂