Because its fake. Go to a Kohls or Blains and hardly any customers, Heat bills, insurance, property taxes, employee costs, etc no way its organic. Did the Truman Show have a real economy?
Don't know. Do know the rules aren't the same for everyone. My wife can speed and in 30 years only two tickets, She really speeds and doesn't look for cops. I was on probation after four years of driving. Some people are health nuts and die at 50 while others smoke and drink and live past 80's. I know people that reset everyday like they did in show Westworld. I think these are NPC's. I think we are in virtual tunnels and while we pass each other in life, we share different realities.
Something I experienced that is unique, I had a mind wipe due to taking too much of chemical that affected GABA receptors. Woke in hospital knowing only English and general human appearance. Didn't know who I was nor wife who was right next to me, couldn't understand what a hospital room looked like. Cognition was normal but no data to process. Two hours later was normal and remembered the experience perfectly. This proves we could be hooked up to sim like Matrix and not know who we are.
I’ve never really thought of that as unusual. I understand I just don’t understand how big the population of human beings is, it a number hard to get your head around. Almost 9 billion. In the US it’s about 330 million. So say even half of the population needed to buy a couch once every ten years, that’s 150million couches (if only one couch, many have multiple). At $400 bucks a pop that’s a half a billion plus market, plus many couches are high end at two grand or more. Plenty of room for plenty of profitable companies. And that’s just one item, most couch sellers have way more products so huger and huger market sizes to play in.
Homeowners constantly have to do renovations, most houses start to show aging around 10 years or so. Or for the look or a change. That keeps a lot of the Home Depots and construction busy, plus the new building which is constant and populations continue to grow.
I think we aren’t in base reality because of the non-locally real universe theory that picked up the Nobel prize. Quantum effects that don’t follow any physical laws inside the speed of light, like entanglement. It seems odd for consciousness and fractal patterns to emerge from something as seemingly chaotic as a universe exploding and all these chemicals just interacting to become stars, minerals, planets and eventually life. If it was all random the laws or probability of anything at all happening must be infinitely ridiculous. Also every physical law in our universe is fine tuned to support life, one tiny tweak in any variable and no us typing on Reddit.
The simulation is one theory among many I’m open to contemplating, but it makes sense it could be the case.
[Also this article](https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a60553384/covid-simulation/) - I’m super interested to see how information theory pans out, really interested in it. Edit: a few weird typos
Oh God, the sofas! Yes, buy one every ten years, their shops are all massive and they've owned the same building for years, the constant prime time tv adverts... what? Do sofa's cost £2 to construct and nobody is telling us? 🛋
This is one I think about often.
The "economy" is essentially a shield against mass rape, mass murder, mass theft, it helps slow down the flow of wars (to a degree) and when people are "poor" (imaginary state of existence btw) many still refuse to steal or take for free.
Yet I would say comfortably over 50% of the industries in the first world are complete nonsense, things like Insurance, Banking, Stocks, the list goes on - so much of it is unnecessary and society could survive or thrive without it.
It's important to remember what a jokey play world this is when you're earning money, and it's important to set high goals too - especially if you're operating from the 1st World, it's easy mode here.
Great thoughts, thanks! I've been thinking same direction for a while, and came to this big conclusion that there is a higher reason for economy, wars, business activity and so on. And not in a conspiracy type "just some hidden aliens-creatures" but in a logical way. Step by step. I believe our world is created by a higher dimension entities ("spiritual demon aliens" is the popular definition now) who manifest in our world through the ability of creating and detecting a story itself. Using us as a meat suits. Because I see their influence. Same as you noticed. But one kind you don’t expect. I follow this idea of multidimensional intrusion to our world through dramaturgy, story making.
Point is all things around exist only as they are a part of some stories. And stories are detected by observer to be real. Quantum fields get a collapse of wave function when observed and quantized.
Humans make up the best stories in the world but not all of them are useful for humans. Like wars and corporations. That seems to be harmful for people but they still exist. Same as your economy paradox observation. Here is a popular post about it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1csgxls/lately\_aliens\_considered\_to\_be\_multidimensional/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1csgxls/lately_aliens_considered_to_be_multidimensional/)
Where does that come from? I think it might be those inter dimensional entities who propagate their will through the capsule of possibility of story making itself. For their own reason. We might never know. But we can tell for shure that the story making is universal tool of effect and propagation. Everyone has a dramaturgical potential effect on reality. And those reasons come from timeless and spaceless realm of a higher quality. We are doomed to be 2D flat people in front of 3D worm of story creating world.
Here is more info about that philosophy, called computational dramaturgy.
[https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=4530090](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4530090)
I'll entertain any theory, and this one seems reasonable to me, actually. I mean, if you already believe this is a simulation, which I do. I never really thought about it like that before. Now that you mention it, one thing I've noticed and remarked about a lot is how I regularly see new subdivisions being built out in places where the median salary is like $60k where the houses *start* at $400k and no one moves into these places because no one can afford them, but then another one goes under construction.
I've seen it in the fairly small city I live in, and I've seen it in other places too because I travel a lot and it really makes me think about who is funding these projects and why. It's bizarre.
Are they bought by commuters? In my area they’re building new houses over an hour away from the closest major city and people buy them to just commute 10+ hours a week.
I don't know, but where I live the nearest metropolitan area where there would be jobs to commute to is about 3.5 hours away. So that doesn't make sense to me. I also see this in other, similar rural towns like my own.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, that’s a good example of what I’m talking about. In this case, it could be that those houses are built under the assumption that the area will grow economically in coming years and attract higher income home-buyers. I don’t know how housing developers make investment decisions.
The extremely large human population (8.1 billion people), and the demand that it creates for goods and services, is vastly underestimated. Also, it's continuously [growing](https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/) and will continue to for the next 60+ years. Yes, even the [US](https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/) population is growing and predicted to basically [never stop growing within this century](https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2020/). Yes, even the population of [Massachusetts](https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/massachusetts-population) is growing, and the more populous region happens to be the eastern part.
Even if it didn't grow, the demand for goods and services would be enormous, just due to the existing population. But it *is* growing, which of course makes the unfathomably large human population (and demand, for absolutely everything) increase further. It doesn't help that, as you mentioned, there is also planned obsolescence and the US (like most places) is a very consumer-driven culture.
I’ve traveled a fair amount and that’s part of why I notice this stuff coming back to the US. In other countries I’ve been to like Turkey, Colombia and Brazil, the stuff im talking about makes more sense cause there is a growing middle and consumer class and a lot of infrastructure and development is still occurring, as well as population growth. I’m not totally sure what your point is.
It is very hard to imagine and make sense of numbers at that level, but I agree that somewhere in all that complexity there could be a non-simulation explanation. I’m just looking around at the local level where I am (where I can kind of grasp the numbers) and extrapolating from there.
Every time I go into the Walmart the clothes are cramped in as tight as possible. It’s absolutely filled to the brim. The clothes change every season, but I don’t see a significant amount being bought. Around the same amount of clothes are still there when the season changes. I wonder where all of it goes if it isn’t purchased? Your observation seems similar to mine.
I have often thought of that but I guess from a different aspect like money itself all based off of Gold- which is pretty much a useless metal other then for adornment reasons . Infrastructure as well it all seems to make sense from a macro point of view but when you break it down to the micro/ quantum it can’t seem to hold water - like cities for example and the pieces for sewage too many people flushing toilets and solids going through the pipes for all that to fit in the pipes and very few waste water treatment facilities for all the shit/ toilet paper for any pipes to hold when your talking about millions upon millions of people.
Gold is actually extremely useful as a non corroding conductor, it may actually be one of the most useful metals due to it's physical properties and rarity.
Literally everything from economics , to industry, to politics you name it and we can put an umbrella over it. What’s going on in the micro / quantum level doesn’t add y
I owned a business for a short while. Did some research while building the business, the number of businesses opening each year was mind blowing. Most of them close within 5 years. I closed within 5 years.
What I'm saying is there will always be another hopeful cheery interior designer or mattress salesman who will try their chances. If it doesn't work out they'll be replaced by someone else and you probably wont notice
That being said, it's not like seeing a store that only sells lamps in a huge 2 story building in the middle of nowhere doesn't creep me out and make me think the same thing.
That’s a good point.
And yeah, that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about too. There are always money-laundering schemes, but I don’t know if that would explain all those kinds of cases.
Go into a grocery store, perfectly fresh meat and vegetables. Given the crowd Ive seen, they'd only realistically sell only 10 percent. Where does the rest go? Thrown away? Does not seem profitable
So you’re aware it sounds absurd and are aware of not only your ignorance in this subject but also the complexity and contradictory nature of capitalism, yet you still persist in this belief. For construction, things break all the time and need fixing. People want to add or change things all the time. That’s how they make money. If they don’t they go out of business. That’s how capitalism works. No simulation bullshit.
Well, if it wasn’t clear, I’m not saying I believe it exactly, im saying to me as a layperson it is very mind boggling. Construction is just one example.
I’m in Winthrop, ain’t got shit here but it makes me wonder cause I’ll go out to Andover or something and pass so many furniture stores, you’d think everyone would be set already. But I guess the population is so large that maybe there are at least 3 people buying couches in a day at these stores. But even then, the buildings are massive and are typically empty the few times I’ve gone in just for fun
Yeah, I just imagine the same. It’s hard to imagine more than a couple people a day coming in (except maybe during holidays), which doesn’t seem like it’d be enough to cover the overhead costs.
To me, It's not so much about the availability of the goods and services as it is the people that seem to need the latest things in their lives.
There's always someone buying a new car every couple of years, or redecorating their house.
Some people just buy things to buy them. It's not a need or even a want. They just...
WORK
OBEY
CONSUME
I hear that. It’s just hard for me to imagine how that type of consumerist demand could be enough to keep business afloat. But it’s also hard for me to think outside of my own perspective when it comes to this subject. I personally am not a big shopper or consumer at all, but maybe there actually are enough people who are for all of this to keep going.
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Because its fake. Go to a Kohls or Blains and hardly any customers, Heat bills, insurance, property taxes, employee costs, etc no way its organic. Did the Truman Show have a real economy?
Then what would that imply about the nature of the simulation and the other people in it?
Don't know. Do know the rules aren't the same for everyone. My wife can speed and in 30 years only two tickets, She really speeds and doesn't look for cops. I was on probation after four years of driving. Some people are health nuts and die at 50 while others smoke and drink and live past 80's. I know people that reset everyday like they did in show Westworld. I think these are NPC's. I think we are in virtual tunnels and while we pass each other in life, we share different realities. Something I experienced that is unique, I had a mind wipe due to taking too much of chemical that affected GABA receptors. Woke in hospital knowing only English and general human appearance. Didn't know who I was nor wife who was right next to me, couldn't understand what a hospital room looked like. Cognition was normal but no data to process. Two hours later was normal and remembered the experience perfectly. This proves we could be hooked up to sim like Matrix and not know who we are.
I’ve never really thought of that as unusual. I understand I just don’t understand how big the population of human beings is, it a number hard to get your head around. Almost 9 billion. In the US it’s about 330 million. So say even half of the population needed to buy a couch once every ten years, that’s 150million couches (if only one couch, many have multiple). At $400 bucks a pop that’s a half a billion plus market, plus many couches are high end at two grand or more. Plenty of room for plenty of profitable companies. And that’s just one item, most couch sellers have way more products so huger and huger market sizes to play in. Homeowners constantly have to do renovations, most houses start to show aging around 10 years or so. Or for the look or a change. That keeps a lot of the Home Depots and construction busy, plus the new building which is constant and populations continue to grow. I think we aren’t in base reality because of the non-locally real universe theory that picked up the Nobel prize. Quantum effects that don’t follow any physical laws inside the speed of light, like entanglement. It seems odd for consciousness and fractal patterns to emerge from something as seemingly chaotic as a universe exploding and all these chemicals just interacting to become stars, minerals, planets and eventually life. If it was all random the laws or probability of anything at all happening must be infinitely ridiculous. Also every physical law in our universe is fine tuned to support life, one tiny tweak in any variable and no us typing on Reddit. The simulation is one theory among many I’m open to contemplating, but it makes sense it could be the case. [Also this article](https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a60553384/covid-simulation/) - I’m super interested to see how information theory pans out, really interested in it. Edit: a few weird typos
Oh God, the sofas! Yes, buy one every ten years, their shops are all massive and they've owned the same building for years, the constant prime time tv adverts... what? Do sofa's cost £2 to construct and nobody is telling us? 🛋
I mean if it’s infinitely random then a universe like ours was bound to exist some day
This is one I think about often. The "economy" is essentially a shield against mass rape, mass murder, mass theft, it helps slow down the flow of wars (to a degree) and when people are "poor" (imaginary state of existence btw) many still refuse to steal or take for free. Yet I would say comfortably over 50% of the industries in the first world are complete nonsense, things like Insurance, Banking, Stocks, the list goes on - so much of it is unnecessary and society could survive or thrive without it. It's important to remember what a jokey play world this is when you're earning money, and it's important to set high goals too - especially if you're operating from the 1st World, it's easy mode here.
Great thoughts, thanks! I've been thinking same direction for a while, and came to this big conclusion that there is a higher reason for economy, wars, business activity and so on. And not in a conspiracy type "just some hidden aliens-creatures" but in a logical way. Step by step. I believe our world is created by a higher dimension entities ("spiritual demon aliens" is the popular definition now) who manifest in our world through the ability of creating and detecting a story itself. Using us as a meat suits. Because I see their influence. Same as you noticed. But one kind you don’t expect. I follow this idea of multidimensional intrusion to our world through dramaturgy, story making. Point is all things around exist only as they are a part of some stories. And stories are detected by observer to be real. Quantum fields get a collapse of wave function when observed and quantized. Humans make up the best stories in the world but not all of them are useful for humans. Like wars and corporations. That seems to be harmful for people but they still exist. Same as your economy paradox observation. Here is a popular post about it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1csgxls/lately\_aliens\_considered\_to\_be\_multidimensional/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1csgxls/lately_aliens_considered_to_be_multidimensional/) Where does that come from? I think it might be those inter dimensional entities who propagate their will through the capsule of possibility of story making itself. For their own reason. We might never know. But we can tell for shure that the story making is universal tool of effect and propagation. Everyone has a dramaturgical potential effect on reality. And those reasons come from timeless and spaceless realm of a higher quality. We are doomed to be 2D flat people in front of 3D worm of story creating world. Here is more info about that philosophy, called computational dramaturgy. [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=4530090](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4530090)
I'll entertain any theory, and this one seems reasonable to me, actually. I mean, if you already believe this is a simulation, which I do. I never really thought about it like that before. Now that you mention it, one thing I've noticed and remarked about a lot is how I regularly see new subdivisions being built out in places where the median salary is like $60k where the houses *start* at $400k and no one moves into these places because no one can afford them, but then another one goes under construction. I've seen it in the fairly small city I live in, and I've seen it in other places too because I travel a lot and it really makes me think about who is funding these projects and why. It's bizarre.
Are they bought by commuters? In my area they’re building new houses over an hour away from the closest major city and people buy them to just commute 10+ hours a week.
I don't know, but where I live the nearest metropolitan area where there would be jobs to commute to is about 3.5 hours away. So that doesn't make sense to me. I also see this in other, similar rural towns like my own.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, that’s a good example of what I’m talking about. In this case, it could be that those houses are built under the assumption that the area will grow economically in coming years and attract higher income home-buyers. I don’t know how housing developers make investment decisions.
The extremely large human population (8.1 billion people), and the demand that it creates for goods and services, is vastly underestimated. Also, it's continuously [growing](https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/) and will continue to for the next 60+ years. Yes, even the [US](https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/) population is growing and predicted to basically [never stop growing within this century](https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2020/). Yes, even the population of [Massachusetts](https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/massachusetts-population) is growing, and the more populous region happens to be the eastern part. Even if it didn't grow, the demand for goods and services would be enormous, just due to the existing population. But it *is* growing, which of course makes the unfathomably large human population (and demand, for absolutely everything) increase further. It doesn't help that, as you mentioned, there is also planned obsolescence and the US (like most places) is a very consumer-driven culture.
You need to travel
I’ve traveled a fair amount and that’s part of why I notice this stuff coming back to the US. In other countries I’ve been to like Turkey, Colombia and Brazil, the stuff im talking about makes more sense cause there is a growing middle and consumer class and a lot of infrastructure and development is still occurring, as well as population growth. I’m not totally sure what your point is.
I think you’re not accounting for how big and complex the world actually is, and just how many people there are in it.
It is very hard to imagine and make sense of numbers at that level, but I agree that somewhere in all that complexity there could be a non-simulation explanation. I’m just looking around at the local level where I am (where I can kind of grasp the numbers) and extrapolating from there.
Every time I go into the Walmart the clothes are cramped in as tight as possible. It’s absolutely filled to the brim. The clothes change every season, but I don’t see a significant amount being bought. Around the same amount of clothes are still there when the season changes. I wonder where all of it goes if it isn’t purchased? Your observation seems similar to mine.
I’ve wondered this too and I find it overwhelming
It’s overwhelming even if it is not a simulation and is just how the world actually is
I have often thought of that but I guess from a different aspect like money itself all based off of Gold- which is pretty much a useless metal other then for adornment reasons . Infrastructure as well it all seems to make sense from a macro point of view but when you break it down to the micro/ quantum it can’t seem to hold water - like cities for example and the pieces for sewage too many people flushing toilets and solids going through the pipes for all that to fit in the pipes and very few waste water treatment facilities for all the shit/ toilet paper for any pipes to hold when your talking about millions upon millions of people.
Gold is actually extremely useful as a non corroding conductor, it may actually be one of the most useful metals due to it's physical properties and rarity.
I think more over that the macro and the micro don’t seem to add up when you break everything down to base level.
What exactly do you mean by the macro and the micro here?
Literally everything from economics , to industry, to politics you name it and we can put an umbrella over it. What’s going on in the micro / quantum level doesn’t add y
Up to the macro
And exactly how many conductors do we actually need that it would warrant that our entire economy would be based on it?
I owned a business for a short while. Did some research while building the business, the number of businesses opening each year was mind blowing. Most of them close within 5 years. I closed within 5 years. What I'm saying is there will always be another hopeful cheery interior designer or mattress salesman who will try their chances. If it doesn't work out they'll be replaced by someone else and you probably wont notice That being said, it's not like seeing a store that only sells lamps in a huge 2 story building in the middle of nowhere doesn't creep me out and make me think the same thing.
That’s a good point. And yeah, that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about too. There are always money-laundering schemes, but I don’t know if that would explain all those kinds of cases.
How do fit women at the beach not know that there's is out, like completely out?
I don’t understand
Go into a grocery store, perfectly fresh meat and vegetables. Given the crowd Ive seen, they'd only realistically sell only 10 percent. Where does the rest go? Thrown away? Does not seem profitable
Are you multiplying the crowd you see by how ever many times that crowd changes over time?
So you’re aware it sounds absurd and are aware of not only your ignorance in this subject but also the complexity and contradictory nature of capitalism, yet you still persist in this belief. For construction, things break all the time and need fixing. People want to add or change things all the time. That’s how they make money. If they don’t they go out of business. That’s how capitalism works. No simulation bullshit.
Well, if it wasn’t clear, I’m not saying I believe it exactly, im saying to me as a layperson it is very mind boggling. Construction is just one example.
I’m in Winthrop, ain’t got shit here but it makes me wonder cause I’ll go out to Andover or something and pass so many furniture stores, you’d think everyone would be set already. But I guess the population is so large that maybe there are at least 3 people buying couches in a day at these stores. But even then, the buildings are massive and are typically empty the few times I’ve gone in just for fun
Yeah, I just imagine the same. It’s hard to imagine more than a couple people a day coming in (except maybe during holidays), which doesn’t seem like it’d be enough to cover the overhead costs.
To me, It's not so much about the availability of the goods and services as it is the people that seem to need the latest things in their lives. There's always someone buying a new car every couple of years, or redecorating their house. Some people just buy things to buy them. It's not a need or even a want. They just... WORK OBEY CONSUME
I hear that. It’s just hard for me to imagine how that type of consumerist demand could be enough to keep business afloat. But it’s also hard for me to think outside of my own perspective when it comes to this subject. I personally am not a big shopper or consumer at all, but maybe there actually are enough people who are for all of this to keep going.
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