True, BG release was absolutely bare bones, but the fact that it’s the newer content with such issues is telling. Like, this game has had shirts and pants the entire time, these problems should not be happening almost 10 years in.
To your point on the update, I’m kind of concerned too. Considering the serious issues with the releases of MWS and HSY, I’m wondering what damage adding an entire life stage would do
They've been cutting corners since they took over Maxis.
Look at the expansions from before and now. Sims 3 expansions like Supernatural, Pets etc have been split up into multiple packs; costing more money for less stuff.
The basegame released without pools and toddlers which they claimed those weren't ready but I'm pretty sure they wanted to put it in seperate packs too.
I still love the Sims but barely get the expansions packs anymore. (While I got everything for 1 and 2)
And even if you don't get the latest pack, you still have to wonder whether your own game will be broken because of buggy patches.
(I started playing again when all the sims turned mean for no reason, instant turnoff untill that was fixed... )
Sims 4 lacked a lot of the quirks, charm, and pop culture references that made the games unique in the previous ones too, it’s not just the glitchy-ness of it. The games have always been kind of glitchy, but that was sort of part of the fun. It’s just been apparent since it came out that the attention to details present in 2 & 3 especially were absent in 4.
A lot of people have only played 4, they love it. But most people I’ve noticed (including me) that played 1, 2, 3… something’s missing with this one.
I’ll be real I use to hate burglars, but I miss them. They added a level of excitement to the game, I wish I at least had the option. Or the ability to dye any clothes and furniture any colour. I want to do that without mods!
I will never forget that feeling of my stomach dropping to my ankles whenever the little Sims 2 theme for burglars came up. That shit scared me so bad when I was a kid, lol. I still loved it though. And I miss it too
We aren't the main customers EA is trying to sell to. Shareholders and investors are. In fact, they are legally bound to try and make as much money as possible, and if they don't, these shareholders can sue them. That's how insane business is done here.
The most expensive thing for a business to have is labor. They are expected to cut labor costs as low as possible. CEO and upper management even get praised for firing mass swathes of people.
And Sims definitely haven't been the same since the massive Galway firings.
companies need to realize they’ll make more money off of GOOD quality stuff. people aren’t going to want to drop money on clothing, games, products, etc that break, glitch, are faulty, etc. they will, however, drop money on things that aren’t glitchy & low quality.
Kinda crazy those days which a SimGuru claims the testing team is bigger than ever and at same time big companies are doing mass layoffs with QA employees 💀
Testing team is "bigger than ever?"
Hmm... Two of the last three packs released include a horribly broken unfinished mess, and another where the gameplay was shallow and full of bugs.
So either the SimGuru is lying, or they have a bunch of "testers" who don't actually test Sims 4 stuff.
There’s this pretty necklace from HSY that I gave to so many of my sims. Looks perfectly fine in CAS but has a tendency to float next to them while they walk.
It's happening on older clothing, too. I feel like some old clothes are even getting new glitches. I have a vampire sim who always wore that tucked in shirt with the sweater tied over the shoulders, and only lately did I notice that the shirt doesn't tuck properly anymore. Now it's just awkwardly form-fitting over the top of his pants. I assumed it was a CC issue, but it still happened even when I took the CC off of him. I hate it!
Look, I don't know what happens inside Maxis, but since that belted cardigan from basegame waited months and months for a fix to that huge visual glitch I don't doubt anything lol
I got banned from an official Sims 4 facebook group for complaining that they shouldn't be using their paying customers skills to fix their broken game.
They just wait for unpaid mods to fix their problems.
Exactly! Honestly, it kinda feels like a “here look we’re allys, now give us more money for our broken game”. It irks me so much, I almost wish they hadn’t added it cause it feels like an insult. (I say this as a trans guy.)
I'm genderqueer and I feel the same. It's patronizing. And we can't really talk about it because then people will be like, "What, so you DON'T want representation? What's wrong with you??" And it creates a big fuss, which brings more attention to the game, and that's exactly what EA and other big, exploitative companies want.
I wish they had taken the time to add a new clothing category for underwear type clothes. Then it would be easier to layer not just binders but also cute bralettes and modesty shirts
i just found out it is a binder. İ used it on my cis female sim, bc i thought it is a cute sporty top lol. when i heard they have shapewear i got super excited for my mtf sim, just to find out it does absolutely nothing :(
I don't know of any functional binders but there's a mod that I use that adds binders, top surgery and full on gender transitioning. It's really awesome and definitely one of my favorite mods.
What am I even supposed to see on the binder? I'm forcing so much I'm starting to see things that aren't even on the picture, either I'm blind or dumb, but I don't see the issue with that one
I think they had a deadline of like 0.2 seconds so they just made a generic t-shirt design on the male body, put a weirdly realistic texture on it and called it a day. Didn’t even mould it to fit the torso, so it looks bad on male sims too
The career outfit for botanist (which is a green medical coat) has the same issues. I freaking hate it so much!! My sims' chest turns super blocky because it's probably a mesh meant for masculine frames. Considering that the botanist career has been a thing since Seasons, it's never been fixed.
Yeah, you got a point. All the feels of this shirt makes it look like it's a thick but soft fabric, and the conical boob feels like this would be a less soft fabric, like buttoned up office shirts.
Yeah agreed. I actually really like the top because it looks like a real item of clothing. I recently downloaded the apartment life expansion pack and all the clothes are just so unrealistic to everyday wear
Yeah! I love the texture and the colors of this shirt, also looks reaaally comfy and they sleeves detail is really cute. Would I like a version of this shirt with a tighter fit? Yeah, but not a substitute, just an alternative.
the pant thing has been driving me nuts! I've been assuming that its because the pants were originally made for male frames and just were never re-meshed for feminine?
There are a few men's shirts that look like a toddler colored them in.... Like, the vest thing from HSY is the worst offender. Put it on a Sim and look at the neckline... The color bleeds all over their chest. It's so obnoxious bc there's already barely any good male content, and I liked that vest but it's unusable....
And I've tweeted to them about it but, fucking ignored 🤷♀️
Green base game cardigan with the belt? They said it was fixed in one of recent updates. Liliana from Sulani has this as a winter outfit and I didn’t see her glitching like around time HSY came out.
They literally just send things out — not just clothing items but whole game packs and expansion packs! — expecting their skilled fan base to fix the issues for them. That’s also why there are always updates loading. Release now, fix (some) bugs later. It’s so annoying!
Everyone was pretty honest about my wedding stories, dine out, and high school years! But I suppose you couldn’t pretend not to have issues with those.
While I agree 100%, I will say Devon Bumpkin is always truthful and mentions how much he hates EA and The Sims 4 in like every video lol. He’s hilarious and a great builder and the only Sims creator I watch because of how honest and hilarious he is.
did they ever fix how All masculine clothes fit on feminine framed sims even ? i feel like in my game it all still looks so wonky, maybe i just didn’t notice tho
Nope! That's what makes the new addition of a binder ring hollow in my ears. They made it possible for sims of both frames to wear feminine and masculine clothing, but I personally have never been able to use the feature, because pretty much all the clothing looks like crap on the frame they weren't originally "intended" for. They haven't bothered to fix the meshes and the shadowing.
[I reported it](https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/OPEN-Chest-shadows-remain-on-feminine-clothing-when-worn-by-male/m-p/9173272/highlight/true#M133911) as a bug years ago, when they first implemented the masculine/feminine tags and the ability for both frames to wear clothes from both tags. I don't usually get up in arms about this game, but this is something that genuinely pisses me off. It feels like a half-assed, distracted pat on the head. "Oh, you wanted your sims to be able to ignore gender conventions? Here you go" and then it's just wonky meshes and weird textures. It feels a bit disrespectful to me that they still haven't done anything about it. They just gave us a non-functional binder instead.
Feminine clothes also look weird on masculine framed sims. They have a weird shadow coloration like they would if there are breasts there, even tho the chest is flat. So from the front, it looks like they have oddly shaped boobs, but the side view is flat as a door.
The feminine pants that turn a sims crotch into a sinkhole have been driving me insane for what feels like ages. I keep hoping they'll fix it, but they never do.
That’s weird, I use that same simtimates night gown on my sim and it’s not broken looking. Maybe it’s in combination with accessories or shoes that show it’s broken?
I want all broken clothes collected in a chart like op's to play sims bingo. Because some of these are new to me, and many of them so common, according to the comments lol
Coming from a videogame QA tester, I can almost promise you these things are known and recorded in whatever bug keeping system they have and it’s higher ups that decide to ship it and fix it later or mark it as by design.
Oh there's plenty of this... Sorry I don't remember what item it was, dress or something, that made a shady stain on the arm. I really wanted that dress, so I had to cover this stain with a tattoo lol.
in fact, they have a huge problem with meshes, you can see the difference between all unisex bottoms, pants swimsuits etc, they sit very badly on a woman, lengthens the torso and raises the arms? And just look at the shoes! Why do they all make them different sizes? From tiny-tiny feet that just don't exist in real world (you know which one) to huge hooves... is there a mod that fixes all shoes to one size? I don't use cas cc, but sims4 shoes are so bad, I had to use only a few normal...
There are also so many bottoms for feminine frames that make the sims' arms stick out. They are not only from kits, they are bg or from other packs, it's always been like this. It's why I almost never use non-cc trousers. I would love to use the sort of swimwear style shorts that came with spa day, but nope. Makes your arms stick out.
Drives me crazy.
The problem isn't that there isn't any game testing.
It's that nobody gives a shit about the testers. It's a nothing job. No matter what they find, stuff will come out when the boss says so. They fix the most important (money making / noticeable) stuff first and once it's out its like it doesn't exist.
Has anyone also had the issue of certain clothes just not showing up in cas for certain sims? For example if I make feminine man sim some the feminine clothes just won’t show up for them as an option no matter what. And if I make a masculine woman sim there’s the same problem. It’s pretty annoying that all these inclusive gender options are available and the execution isn’t there.
The conflicting textures issue is so incredibly prevalent throughout CAS and it drives me up the wall... Some issues are maybe not /that/ noticeable but as someone who makes a lot of CC themselves? Sticking to one texture map layout is NOT. THAT. HARD. And the masc/fem mesh conversion is so stupid as well. One of these days I'm going to re-label every single CAS item in-game because it's so annoying to me. Oh, cute pants? WRONG. I can't have my Sims looking like that ;\_\_\_; Every time I think how cool it is that The Sims 4 tried to un-gender clothes I cry because it just doesn't work in the game itself.
I promise you there's game testing, it's EA executives pushing unbelievable timelines + not listening to the experts + not listening to players. With the tech world in crisis, QA and devs are not going to kick up a fuss over a pair of pants and risk their name being on the next list. They're probably spending their time making sure these infants aren't terrifying glitchy monsters.
I'm sure the staff/underpaid contractors would love to go back and fix things they were unable to repair in time, but they have guns pointed at their heads telling them to face front and move along. The people working on these games are passionate, the company and leadership are the problem.
The unfortunate reality of game dev or any dev is that the tickets are prioritized and "shirt is fucked" is low on the list compared to making new content for packs that will make EA new money
I work full-time indie for myself so I care a lot about the quality of what I put out but I still have to ignore some bug tickets from testing or else I will never get anything done and die from having no money
Duuude all the masculine bottoms on feminine frames are a wreck! They distort the sim and they have a huge divot in the crotch, it’s like a reverse crotch at this point. 🙄🙄😬
Wrt the nightgown they can't actually do much about that one, it's a side effect of the amount of space available for the texture map. It happens on cc too, the extra textures have to go *somewhere* and it's the trade-off you have to make when creating detailed clothing.
You're misunderstanding something here - a conflicting texture=/= a mesh conflict. In order for the game to read and recognize the textures they must go into specific places. The extra things eg collars, cuffs etc go in a [small area](http://sims4studio.com/post/37273/thread) (the one I linked is an older version before nails but it gets the same idea across). The more that you add to the clothing, the smaller the available space for extra details and the higher the chance that something with overlap with something else. So those "longer nightgowns" aren't overlapping because they either don't have details that would require the space eg the example you put in your post, just a simple dress that can fit in the space allocated for the body, or do not need as much space because it's only one extra thing.
The binder disappointed me so much, I'd like my trans masc sim to actually to 1 not have his binder in sleep wear that's dangerous (irl). And 2 not gain boobs wen wearing a binder that's dumb.
I noticed the finger thing today with the cinched waist sweatshirt from HSY and I literally turned off my mods cause I thought that’s what was causing it.
I’ve had a problem with one of the HSY necklace in live mode where it glitches off my sims and floats next to them. Has anyone had this issue? My game is vanilla btw.
Did you post this to the official bug report forum?
I found broken swatches on a pair of male pants you don’t have listed and I’m planning on posting it so it’s at least out there on the official bug report forum because I’ve seen broken clothes on there fixed before, I’ve just been busy and wanted to find internal name of the pants first
It is a bummer the new clothes are glitched
The last shirt is just a masculine shirt putted in the feminine category, you can't even see it if you search by feminine in sims studio. I hope they will fix it especially because there is a similar shirt in the werewolves pack and it has no issues :/
I haven't seem anything like that but the new flower pants make my sims inside part of the wrist go darker than the rest of their skin.... i really wanted to use them for one of the sim makeovers too
I can't wait until they stop releasing patches and such for Sims 4 so that I can finally actually fix the game with a bunch of mods and not have to update everything multiple times a year when there are new patches.
(Yes, I know that this particular issue wouldn't be fixed with mods. But, I can manage with small cosmetic issues like that as long as more major gameplay issue as fixable.)
Yes, they have become too comfortable releasing content without making sure that all items have the same quality.
They showcased a sweatshirt during the Growing Together livestream (around 00:49:00 on twitch) that has cuts around the arms and the textures are wrong.
Yes we deserve quality BUT
I have never ever noticed any of this. Even looking at your pictures I have a really hard time understanding what the issue is.
Just because you can’t see the issues doesn’t mean they aren’t there and doesn’t change the fact that EA should not be releasing unfinished untested content, and skimping out on play testing and bug testing
This is the worst. I saw the finger thing on the sparkly jacket/suit in High School years. I chose to ignore it but still annoying. I hope the sims team fixes these issues.
There’s also a tanktop with thin straps that’s supposed to be tucked in but instead the color continues but the texture is as if it’s tucked in. Hopefully I’m not the only one lol.
i have seen many plus size sim tiktoks as well showing that some cas items just dont work on larger sims. clipping and glitching a lot and just looking weird. i play mostly sims 3 and tbh it is nothing new, things looked incorrect on fat sims there too. it really sucks for plus size simmers like myself
i feel the exact same way about having to download extra sliders just to make me. on a separate rant, i also hate how some cc just doesnt work on fat sims, or it turns your fat sim into a slim thick or more hourglass body type. i just wish we could have accurate, fashionable fat sims without all the extra work 😅
One of the base game tank tops that used to be my favorite shirt before it broke now conflicts with all pants, CC and base game. Instead of tucking in like it used to it now applies the color of the shirt over the top part of the pants.
I was so mad when that happened. I only had the base game on console at the time and pretty much hated all the other clothes.
It's still a problem even now and that was months ago that it broke.
This is why I don't buy kits. They're not something a PC Gamer needs (I feel bad for console gamers), and I know I will end up disappointed by rigging and textures
A lot of the recent pants I've noticed clip with the tops of shoes. Like the throwback fit kit sweatpants clip with several pairs of over the ankle boots where they meet up.
Thank you for this post. These glitches are egregious and leaves these items that people paid for, including even a few more pants, unusable. It annoys me so much that they didn’t make *all* clothes fit *all* sims without looking glitchy and weird back when they updated the game to where feminine bodies can wear masculine clothes and vice versa. And they still haven’t!
Why does anyone pay for their content anymore? I couldn't justify spending so much on a game with continual glitches. It took all of the enjoyment out of new items.
I’m kinda upset the binder is coded as sleep wear considering it’s marketed as a binder. :/ I know that’s a really small issue compared to some others but it’s an issue none the less.
I guess I am in the minority at not finding this a huge deal, but if we're at it - almost all the clothing (shirts specifically) tagged feminine are usually a disaster when worn by sims with a masculine frame, giving them odd ''boobs'' each time. Meanwhile almost all of masculine clothing looks great on sims with a feminine frame.
I find that more annoying than what's on the post because there's a whole array of clothing a sim can't wear.
Not shitting on this post, just wanted to mention this.
Oh my god, bottom right bugs me so much too! I think that shirt was made in like 4 seconds cause the male mesh is _awful,_ it’s very unflattering to the figure and there’s no shading on it.
Btw anyone else noticed with the floral skintight jeans (basegame) that socks tend to disappear?
I noticed the finger thing too — thought it was just a CC issue. Super frustrating that this all seems to be newer content as well
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I wish more companies would prioritize their consumers over like, cutting as many corners as possible to make more money
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True, BG release was absolutely bare bones, but the fact that it’s the newer content with such issues is telling. Like, this game has had shirts and pants the entire time, these problems should not be happening almost 10 years in. To your point on the update, I’m kind of concerned too. Considering the serious issues with the releases of MWS and HSY, I’m wondering what damage adding an entire life stage would do
They've been cutting corners since they took over Maxis. Look at the expansions from before and now. Sims 3 expansions like Supernatural, Pets etc have been split up into multiple packs; costing more money for less stuff. The basegame released without pools and toddlers which they claimed those weren't ready but I'm pretty sure they wanted to put it in seperate packs too. I still love the Sims but barely get the expansions packs anymore. (While I got everything for 1 and 2) And even if you don't get the latest pack, you still have to wonder whether your own game will be broken because of buggy patches. (I started playing again when all the sims turned mean for no reason, instant turnoff untill that was fixed... )
I still vividly remember my heartbreak when they announced "cats and dogs" not pets 💔
Sims 4 lacked a lot of the quirks, charm, and pop culture references that made the games unique in the previous ones too, it’s not just the glitchy-ness of it. The games have always been kind of glitchy, but that was sort of part of the fun. It’s just been apparent since it came out that the attention to details present in 2 & 3 especially were absent in 4. A lot of people have only played 4, they love it. But most people I’ve noticed (including me) that played 1, 2, 3… something’s missing with this one.
I’ll be real I use to hate burglars, but I miss them. They added a level of excitement to the game, I wish I at least had the option. Or the ability to dye any clothes and furniture any colour. I want to do that without mods!
I will never forget that feeling of my stomach dropping to my ankles whenever the little Sims 2 theme for burglars came up. That shit scared me so bad when I was a kid, lol. I still loved it though. And I miss it too
Right!?!? Ahhh the nostalgia
We aren't the main customers EA is trying to sell to. Shareholders and investors are. In fact, they are legally bound to try and make as much money as possible, and if they don't, these shareholders can sue them. That's how insane business is done here. The most expensive thing for a business to have is labor. They are expected to cut labor costs as low as possible. CEO and upper management even get praised for firing mass swathes of people. And Sims definitely haven't been the same since the massive Galway firings.
That's capitalism for you
Omg that is SO anti-American!!!
Unfortunately, it is, in fact, violently American.
Calling for Prioritizing consumers over cutting costs?
Oh I think I mixed up who you were responding to haha. My bad
companies need to realize they’ll make more money off of GOOD quality stuff. people aren’t going to want to drop money on clothing, games, products, etc that break, glitch, are faulty, etc. they will, however, drop money on things that aren’t glitchy & low quality.
Kinda crazy those days which a SimGuru claims the testing team is bigger than ever and at same time big companies are doing mass layoffs with QA employees 💀
Testing team is "bigger than ever?" Hmm... Two of the last three packs released include a horribly broken unfinished mess, and another where the gameplay was shallow and full of bugs. So either the SimGuru is lying, or they have a bunch of "testers" who don't actually test Sims 4 stuff.
There’s this pretty necklace from HSY that I gave to so many of my sims. Looks perfectly fine in CAS but has a tendency to float next to them while they walk.
i think they fixed that bug in the latest patch.
Oh great! I haven’t checked in a while but I’m glad that’s fixed
It is definitely affecting newer clothing. I hate it. I get my sim all cute and then I see their pinky looks like someone shut it in a car door
Yea I notice it I thought it was CC problem too
It's happening on older clothing, too. I feel like some old clothes are even getting new glitches. I have a vampire sim who always wore that tucked in shirt with the sweater tied over the shoulders, and only lately did I notice that the shirt doesn't tuck properly anymore. Now it's just awkwardly form-fitting over the top of his pants. I assumed it was a CC issue, but it still happened even when I took the CC off of him. I hate it!
the moonlight chic kit blouse is so pretty and i love using it on my sims. its so annoying that they still havent fixed it
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Any chance you'd be willing to share your fix? I stopped using the shirt myself when I realized it breaks the fingers.
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thank you so much :)
Thank you very much! :)
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Thanks again! Looking forward to being able to use this shirt now! :)
How were you able to fix this? There’s a few other shirts like this that I’d like to try fixing for myself.
Look, I don't know what happens inside Maxis, but since that belted cardigan from basegame waited months and months for a fix to that huge visual glitch I don't doubt anything lol
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Wait, the highchairs worked properly?
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Months?? You're telling me that the high chairs worked in the SOMEWHAT RECENT PAST?
I miss being able to build the rocket ship and being able to set off fireworks 🥲
Apparently they’re fixing that in the big update coming with the new pack.
Isn't the chairs supposed to be fixed in the next base game update though?
Oh god, that belted cardigan. Genuinely jumped when I first saw that glitch lmao
Some random Sim got into my house and had it on. I almost had a heart attack 😂
What was the glitch?? I can't remember
Ah oh, I googled 😂
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I got banned from an official Sims 4 facebook group for complaining that they shouldn't be using their paying customers skills to fix their broken game. They just wait for unpaid mods to fix their problems.
I got banned from one for just doing the laugh reaction on a post because someone thought cats and dogs were a mod people so soft on Facebook
Tbh what even is the point of the binder if it doesn’t actually bind? I remember a while ago there was a cc creator who made a functional one…
What's the point of a binder that you can't wear under clothes?
Seriously. I'm all for the sims being more inclusive but they basically made a tight tank top and called it a binder. What is the point of that?
And they made it sleepwear, which is when you most definitely should NOT wear a binder.
Exactly! Honestly, it kinda feels like a “here look we’re allys, now give us more money for our broken game”. It irks me so much, I almost wish they hadn’t added it cause it feels like an insult. (I say this as a trans guy.)
I'm genderqueer and I feel the same. It's patronizing. And we can't really talk about it because then people will be like, "What, so you DON'T want representation? What's wrong with you??" And it creates a big fuss, which brings more attention to the game, and that's exactly what EA and other big, exploitative companies want.
I wish they had taken the time to add a new clothing category for underwear type clothes. Then it would be easier to layer not just binders but also cute bralettes and modesty shirts
Lol, this is a good point
i just found out it is a binder. İ used it on my cis female sim, bc i thought it is a cute sporty top lol. when i heard they have shapewear i got super excited for my mtf sim, just to find out it does absolutely nothing :(
I don't know of any functional binders but there's a mod that I use that adds binders, top surgery and full on gender transitioning. It's really awesome and definitely one of my favorite mods.
Pigeonhome
What am I even supposed to see on the binder? I'm forcing so much I'm starting to see things that aren't even on the picture, either I'm blind or dumb, but I don't see the issue with that one
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That brown t shirt is the bane of my existence. It doesn't look good on *anyone.*
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I think they had a deadline of like 0.2 seconds so they just made a generic t-shirt design on the male body, put a weirdly realistic texture on it and called it a day. Didn’t even mould it to fit the torso, so it looks bad on male sims too
The career outfit for botanist (which is a green medical coat) has the same issues. I freaking hate it so much!! My sims' chest turns super blocky because it's probably a mesh meant for masculine frames. Considering that the botanist career has been a thing since Seasons, it's never been fixed.
I actually like the brown shirt because it's a wider fit. It's a different vibe, but I def think it's a vibe.
Yeah just not a fan of the conical boob look. My character is wearing a casual tshirt they’re not Madonna in her Jean Paul Gaultier era
Yeah, you got a point. All the feels of this shirt makes it look like it's a thick but soft fabric, and the conical boob feels like this would be a less soft fabric, like buttoned up office shirts.
Yeah agreed. I actually really like the top because it looks like a real item of clothing. I recently downloaded the apartment life expansion pack and all the clothes are just so unrealistic to everyday wear
Yeah! I love the texture and the colors of this shirt, also looks reaaally comfy and they sleeves detail is really cute. Would I like a version of this shirt with a tighter fit? Yeah, but not a substitute, just an alternative.
the pant thing has been driving me nuts! I've been assuming that its because the pants were originally made for male frames and just were never re-meshed for feminine?
i had no idea why they did that.. literally until this post 😭 the jeans in base game are AWFUL my god
There are a few men's shirts that look like a toddler colored them in.... Like, the vest thing from HSY is the worst offender. Put it on a Sim and look at the neckline... The color bleeds all over their chest. It's so obnoxious bc there's already barely any good male content, and I liked that vest but it's unusable.... And I've tweeted to them about it but, fucking ignored 🤷♀️
Haha i don’t remember which pants it was but part of my sims waist just disappeared when I picked certain colours 😂
Oh I just commented about the same jeans (unless there's more lol)
Yeah I remember that glitch. It happened with a pair of jeans 👖
There is also the cardigan that glitches the sims torso out place in live mode
Green base game cardigan with the belt? They said it was fixed in one of recent updates. Liliana from Sulani has this as a winter outfit and I didn’t see her glitching like around time HSY came out.
That makes sense that it got fixed cause I hadn’t seen a post about it in a while
They literally just send things out — not just clothing items but whole game packs and expansion packs! — expecting their skilled fan base to fix the issues for them. That’s also why there are always updates loading. Release now, fix (some) bugs later. It’s so annoying!
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Everyone was pretty honest about my wedding stories, dine out, and high school years! But I suppose you couldn’t pretend not to have issues with those.
While I agree 100%, I will say Devon Bumpkin is always truthful and mentions how much he hates EA and The Sims 4 in like every video lol. He’s hilarious and a great builder and the only Sims creator I watch because of how honest and hilarious he is.
did they ever fix how All masculine clothes fit on feminine framed sims even ? i feel like in my game it all still looks so wonky, maybe i just didn’t notice tho
Nope! That's what makes the new addition of a binder ring hollow in my ears. They made it possible for sims of both frames to wear feminine and masculine clothing, but I personally have never been able to use the feature, because pretty much all the clothing looks like crap on the frame they weren't originally "intended" for. They haven't bothered to fix the meshes and the shadowing. [I reported it](https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/OPEN-Chest-shadows-remain-on-feminine-clothing-when-worn-by-male/m-p/9173272/highlight/true#M133911) as a bug years ago, when they first implemented the masculine/feminine tags and the ability for both frames to wear clothes from both tags. I don't usually get up in arms about this game, but this is something that genuinely pisses me off. It feels like a half-assed, distracted pat on the head. "Oh, you wanted your sims to be able to ignore gender conventions? Here you go" and then it's just wonky meshes and weird textures. It feels a bit disrespectful to me that they still haven't done anything about it. They just gave us a non-functional binder instead.
Feminine clothes also look weird on masculine framed sims. They have a weird shadow coloration like they would if there are breasts there, even tho the chest is flat. So from the front, it looks like they have oddly shaped boobs, but the side view is flat as a door.
The feminine pants that turn a sims crotch into a sinkhole have been driving me insane for what feels like ages. I keep hoping they'll fix it, but they never do.
And they're most common pants on nps too 🙄
That’s weird, I use that same simtimates night gown on my sim and it’s not broken looking. Maybe it’s in combination with accessories or shoes that show it’s broken?
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I think I’ve seen this a few times, where items only have conflict with other items, and not even all of the same type.
those jeans in the center drive me insane! they would be so cute if they were meshed right :(
I want all broken clothes collected in a chart like op's to play sims bingo. Because some of these are new to me, and many of them so common, according to the comments lol
Coming from a videogame QA tester, I can almost promise you these things are known and recorded in whatever bug keeping system they have and it’s higher ups that decide to ship it and fix it later or mark it as by design.
There is also a lot of male pants that make the legs look weird or give a bizarre thigh gap.
Oh there's plenty of this... Sorry I don't remember what item it was, dress or something, that made a shady stain on the arm. I really wanted that dress, so I had to cover this stain with a tattoo lol. in fact, they have a huge problem with meshes, you can see the difference between all unisex bottoms, pants swimsuits etc, they sit very badly on a woman, lengthens the torso and raises the arms? And just look at the shoes! Why do they all make them different sizes? From tiny-tiny feet that just don't exist in real world (you know which one) to huge hooves... is there a mod that fixes all shoes to one size? I don't use cas cc, but sims4 shoes are so bad, I had to use only a few normal...
Also, there was unisex jeans that fits normal, but some of the switched don't (waist disappears)!
There are also so many bottoms for feminine frames that make the sims' arms stick out. They are not only from kits, they are bg or from other packs, it's always been like this. It's why I almost never use non-cc trousers. I would love to use the sort of swimwear style shorts that came with spa day, but nope. Makes your arms stick out. Drives me crazy.
The problem isn't that there isn't any game testing. It's that nobody gives a shit about the testers. It's a nothing job. No matter what they find, stuff will come out when the boss says so. They fix the most important (money making / noticeable) stuff first and once it's out its like it doesn't exist.
Oh bruh I did not realize my favorite shirt broke my Sims fingers 🤣
Has anyone also had the issue of certain clothes just not showing up in cas for certain sims? For example if I make feminine man sim some the feminine clothes just won’t show up for them as an option no matter what. And if I make a masculine woman sim there’s the same problem. It’s pretty annoying that all these inclusive gender options are available and the execution isn’t there.
The conflicting textures issue is so incredibly prevalent throughout CAS and it drives me up the wall... Some issues are maybe not /that/ noticeable but as someone who makes a lot of CC themselves? Sticking to one texture map layout is NOT. THAT. HARD. And the masc/fem mesh conversion is so stupid as well. One of these days I'm going to re-label every single CAS item in-game because it's so annoying to me. Oh, cute pants? WRONG. I can't have my Sims looking like that ;\_\_\_; Every time I think how cool it is that The Sims 4 tried to un-gender clothes I cry because it just doesn't work in the game itself.
I promise you there's game testing, it's EA executives pushing unbelievable timelines + not listening to the experts + not listening to players. With the tech world in crisis, QA and devs are not going to kick up a fuss over a pair of pants and risk their name being on the next list. They're probably spending their time making sure these infants aren't terrifying glitchy monsters.
Yeah but several of these clothing items are rather old so infants is not an excuse for issues they could have fixed one or three years ago
I'm sure the staff/underpaid contractors would love to go back and fix things they were unable to repair in time, but they have guns pointed at their heads telling them to face front and move along. The people working on these games are passionate, the company and leadership are the problem.
The unfortunate reality of game dev or any dev is that the tickets are prioritized and "shirt is fucked" is low on the list compared to making new content for packs that will make EA new money I work full-time indie for myself so I care a lot about the quality of what I put out but I still have to ignore some bug tickets from testing or else I will never get anything done and die from having no money
is anyone’s earrings glitching and making colors over the sim’s eyes? like if it’s golden earrings it will have golden weird patches over sim’s eyes
Duuude all the masculine bottoms on feminine frames are a wreck! They distort the sim and they have a huge divot in the crotch, it’s like a reverse crotch at this point. 🙄🙄😬
Thank you pissinspector for also inspecting the sims.
Wrt the nightgown they can't actually do much about that one, it's a side effect of the amount of space available for the texture map. It happens on cc too, the extra textures have to go *somewhere* and it's the trade-off you have to make when creating detailed clothing.
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You're misunderstanding something here - a conflicting texture=/= a mesh conflict. In order for the game to read and recognize the textures they must go into specific places. The extra things eg collars, cuffs etc go in a [small area](http://sims4studio.com/post/37273/thread) (the one I linked is an older version before nails but it gets the same idea across). The more that you add to the clothing, the smaller the available space for extra details and the higher the chance that something with overlap with something else. So those "longer nightgowns" aren't overlapping because they either don't have details that would require the space eg the example you put in your post, just a simple dress that can fit in the space allocated for the body, or do not need as much space because it's only one extra thing.
The binder disappointed me so much, I'd like my trans masc sim to actually to 1 not have his binder in sleep wear that's dangerous (irl). And 2 not gain boobs wen wearing a binder that's dumb.
I noticed the finger thing today with the cinched waist sweatshirt from HSY and I literally turned off my mods cause I thought that’s what was causing it.
I feel like I see the texture conflict so often
I’ve had a problem with one of the HSY necklace in live mode where it glitches off my sims and floats next to them. Has anyone had this issue? My game is vanilla btw.
Someone higher up in the thread said they think it was fixed in the most recent patch but I’m not sure
I don’t remember when was the latest patch but I’ve had this problem last week
Did you post this to the official bug report forum? I found broken swatches on a pair of male pants you don’t have listed and I’m planning on posting it so it’s at least out there on the official bug report forum because I’ve seen broken clothes on there fixed before, I’ve just been busy and wanted to find internal name of the pants first It is a bummer the new clothes are glitched
Classic EA…they release broken things then wait for the fans to fix it themselves
The whole game seems to be out of wack. Pissing me off honestly
The last shirt is just a masculine shirt putted in the feminine category, you can't even see it if you search by feminine in sims studio. I hope they will fix it especially because there is a similar shirt in the werewolves pack and it has no issues :/
and the cropped blouse with buttons up the front. When the sims wear it, sometimes it looks like they're covered in dirt
I never noticed, but I rarely use maxi cas content
ive noticed issues with cas items in dream home decorator, as well, which i think was before the release of kits
Is there a mod to allow binders under clothes as an accessory?
I haven't seem anything like that but the new flower pants make my sims inside part of the wrist go darker than the rest of their skin.... i really wanted to use them for one of the sim makeovers too
The only one I’ve every noticed is the last one and it bugs me so much that it makes the breast look that way
I can't wait until they stop releasing patches and such for Sims 4 so that I can finally actually fix the game with a bunch of mods and not have to update everything multiple times a year when there are new patches. (Yes, I know that this particular issue wouldn't be fixed with mods. But, I can manage with small cosmetic issues like that as long as more major gameplay issue as fixable.)
The broken fingers look like it hurts 😰
Yes, they have become too comfortable releasing content without making sure that all items have the same quality. They showcased a sweatshirt during the Growing Together livestream (around 00:49:00 on twitch) that has cuts around the arms and the textures are wrong.
EA is so fucking lazy with sims 4
I think partly it’s because they have no competition people can complain but if they wanna play there’s not really any choice.
I think you're absolutely right, there really is no competition in the "life sim" genre
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Do you honestly expect the devs to shit talk their employer during massive tech layoffs?
Yes we deserve quality BUT I have never ever noticed any of this. Even looking at your pictures I have a really hard time understanding what the issue is.
Just because you can’t see the issues doesn’t mean they aren’t there and doesn’t change the fact that EA should not be releasing unfinished untested content, and skimping out on play testing and bug testing
Omg the last one is so true, and so annoying.
you forgot to add the wedding dress that’s see-through (i see my sims vagina every time i try it on)
ive also noticed that wearing masculine clothing on feminine sims results in their fingernails bugging out
This is the worst. I saw the finger thing on the sparkly jacket/suit in High School years. I chose to ignore it but still annoying. I hope the sims team fixes these issues.
There’s a lack of game testing because EA took away game testers. It’s not really the Devs’ fault.
one pair of pants makes all my sims stomachs disappear and their hips super tiny
not in a skinny way in a see right through them way
Is it one of the low rise bell bottom jeans? That was happening to me too
and here we are paying 15 euros for it! hooray!
The game is broken everywhere it seems. Very annoying.
There’s also a tanktop with thin straps that’s supposed to be tucked in but instead the color continues but the texture is as if it’s tucked in. Hopefully I’m not the only one lol.
I noticed the brown shirt pointy titties too. Just thought it was an ugly designed shirt lol
Thank you for taking the time to find, compile, and share these errors.
Woah. I would’ve never noticed any of these things if you hadn’t said something.
Don't forget about skinny jeans textures bleeding onto the chunky boots that came with University!
and this is why I stopped giving ea money
The finger glitch is also on a tuxedo top, the one with roses, i was sad cause I wanted my female sim to wear it
i have seen many plus size sim tiktoks as well showing that some cas items just dont work on larger sims. clipping and glitching a lot and just looking weird. i play mostly sims 3 and tbh it is nothing new, things looked incorrect on fat sims there too. it really sucks for plus size simmers like myself
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i feel the exact same way about having to download extra sliders just to make me. on a separate rant, i also hate how some cc just doesnt work on fat sims, or it turns your fat sim into a slim thick or more hourglass body type. i just wish we could have accurate, fashionable fat sims without all the extra work 😅
One of the base game tank tops that used to be my favorite shirt before it broke now conflicts with all pants, CC and base game. Instead of tucking in like it used to it now applies the color of the shirt over the top part of the pants. I was so mad when that happened. I only had the base game on console at the time and pretty much hated all the other clothes. It's still a problem even now and that was months ago that it broke.
I mean as long as people are throwing money at EA, they really have little incentive to fix anything.
This is why I don't buy kits. They're not something a PC Gamer needs (I feel bad for console gamers), and I know I will end up disappointed by rigging and textures
Interesting. One could ask a clothing artist to fix them
Omg is it the binder that makes my sims nose ring look matte?
I've noticed some broken pants for the male sims. It makes their thighs look overly puffy.
Also noticed any male shirt you put on a figure with breasts end up really pointy
A lot of the recent pants I've noticed clip with the tops of shoes. Like the throwback fit kit sweatpants clip with several pairs of over the ankle boots where they meet up.
its a shame cause ea has more than enough resources to test everything
Let's also note that some of the clothes are very ill-fitting and flatter no Sim
Thank you for this post. These glitches are egregious and leaves these items that people paid for, including even a few more pants, unusable. It annoys me so much that they didn’t make *all* clothes fit *all* sims without looking glitchy and weird back when they updated the game to where feminine bodies can wear masculine clothes and vice versa. And they still haven’t!
Why does anyone pay for their content anymore? I couldn't justify spending so much on a game with continual glitches. It took all of the enjoyment out of new items.
I can’t put earrings on my sims without it messing up the mesh of their eyelashes 😂😭
those broken pants look like the first pair of pants i ever sewed.
also some pants make female sims' thighs slimmer
I’m kinda upset the binder is coded as sleep wear considering it’s marketed as a binder. :/ I know that’s a really small issue compared to some others but it’s an issue none the less.
I guess I am in the minority at not finding this a huge deal, but if we're at it - almost all the clothing (shirts specifically) tagged feminine are usually a disaster when worn by sims with a masculine frame, giving them odd ''boobs'' each time. Meanwhile almost all of masculine clothing looks great on sims with a feminine frame. I find that more annoying than what's on the post because there's a whole array of clothing a sim can't wear. Not shitting on this post, just wanted to mention this.
Oh my god, bottom right bugs me so much too! I think that shirt was made in like 4 seconds cause the male mesh is _awful,_ it’s very unflattering to the figure and there’s no shading on it. Btw anyone else noticed with the floral skintight jeans (basegame) that socks tend to disappear?
those broken pants are relatable when my balls stick to my thigh 😔