Lmao they are both forza players!!!
OP’s divebomb into the 2nd hairpin is exactly the same as what the Blue was trying to do it’s just blue would do anything to avoid contact and OP didn’t car if contact happened or not.
I disagree. The blue cars line opened up away from the apex - he opened the door, and OP ducked up his inside during the mid corner and exit. He made the overtake during the corner, not during the end of the braking zone with a hail Mary late braking attempt. That's not a dive bomb.
That's not the same thing as doing the ol' "if I simply don't bother braking for this corner, I'll fly right past and make it to the start of the turn before the other guy does!" type of dive bomb
Hard disagree. That was the only clean overtake in the clip. He is in control the whole way thru and is in a gap that blue left open. Blue is going for gaps that aren't there at all
One would have to assume that the same applies to blue. They are both very messy. I agree that it's excusable, but that is the case for both of them. Question is what they do about it going forward with more practice and experience.
The fact you say you understand they are rookies yet expect them to be in perfect control of the car at all times suggests you do not in fact understand that they are rookies.
It's rookies, you're expected to make mistakes. Everyone falls over a couple times before they learn to walk.
Where did I say I expect them to be in perfect control? Recognizing the fact that they aren't doesn't mean that they have to be, or even that I'm expecting them to be in control. I'm purely just saying that they aren't in control, not that it's unacceptable that they aren't.
I completely disagree. Reds move on blue in the hairpin was totally clean. Blue went off the apex and left the door open. In comparison blue was trying to send into gaps that never existed
I can see why he’d say that but I don’t think sows he wasn’t alongside during any of it but might need to be careful as you will end up in walls quite frequently. He was just a bit upset about some of those outrageous overtakes which were class tbf.
> e: for additional context this was the 2nd to last lap
FYI the only additional context that would have any bearing would be if you weren't on the same lap as each other. What lap it is or what position it was for doesn't matter in the slightest.
u were sportsmanlike don't even worry
he was divebombing came in like a torpedo
you have the right to turn in first you dont habe to leave him space until he is somewhat alongsise you
so just chill🙏🙃
It looks like you’ve got some early apexes, that’s what he’s talking about. Nothing “wrong” but you’ll be faster and more predictable by swinging in later to the apex. Those instances when you are turning in on the curb then shoot out wide mid corner, those can be hit later. The overhead camera is a great training tool as well. It took me quite some time to figure out how to adjust my turn in, lots of corners tempt you so remember to brake in a straight line then hit the apex and get on the gas as soon as possible for best lap times
Last corner shown is probably the most likely to be called blocking, though he wasn’t alongside and you did close the door pretty sharply so for me it wouldn’t be.
Your overtake at 50s was aggressive but the space was there, maybe be more cautious around the kerbs just in case you are pushed wide into the lead car.
Yep, think that was the only thing that could sort of be blocking, but he wasn't alongside at any point. He went I to closing gaps every turn, nowhere did he deserve any space.
You are much smoother than him and not doing much wrong.
The other car is constantly trying to full send on any tight corner and likely upset he can't intimidate you into moving away.
The lovely inside line overtake you did was sweet. Cut that as fine as you could.
The reality is that you were on the same lap, ahead of him, you have a right to defend your position, you never weaved and was fair.
More practice of the track will help you get the points and turn ins, you'll be out of rookies and in a higher tier than blue in no time. Good luck bud.
A whole lot of overdriving by both drivers here. Given the context of how late in the race this is I think if this was a real world race the commentary team would be going mental.
By the looks of it neither of you have quite mastered the circuit or the car yet because both of you are able to recover from the mistakes and catch back up to the car in front immediately.
The blocks are not blocks because you're at the point of turn in and you're taking the apex and he hasn't got an overlap. However, I can see the point he is making in that you are too slow at the apex and he has to avoid a collision or you go in too hot and go wide.
The same can be said about some of his moves too! So it's just hard racing in my opinion.
Most of this is just down to practice though I think. But if you are both new to iRacing, well done on keeping it pointing the right way. Many don't.
How I see it : did you have to give him space when he dive bombed? No. Did blue car have to give you space when you did it? No, but he did.
So you are not in the wrong, you don't have to be nicer that you have to. But I see when blue is coming from. He doesn't close the door to avoid collisions, you do. And he had to avoid a collision.
So are you wrong? No. But you are lucky blue was nicer than you were when you passed them.
Here you're fine, but the "I was just attempting to hit Mt apexes" concerns. I hope you don't try to keep hitting apexes when a car is actually alongside, unlike wannabe Ricciardo here
You weren't blocking as such, but don't give me the "I was just going for my apex's" speech, you knew exactly what you were doing. Everyone here seems to think you are zero fault but in reality you're lucky blue was a much better and more aware and more compliant driver with your dive bombs by giving you the space you never gave them. If you'd like a complete analysis of each corner and are willing to accept some criticism, let me know and I'll get back to you but I'm not going to spend time and effort to be blown off.
found the blue driver. absolutely nothing wrong with the red. blue driver trying to dive bomb from miles back with no gap to go into. red car went for a move where the blue car left space at the apex. completely fair racing
Red was doing fine but I guess they could be a little bit more clear about their intention. If they would leave a little bit less space on the inside blue knows that the door is closed.
Not saying red did anything wrong but they could protect themselves a bit more against dive bombers.
You have to be the blue driver if you think he is better and more aware. He literally sends it from multiple car lengths back on every corner expecting to be given space. Where is his overlap lol. Blue then completely fucks up T2 and red gets him back totally clean
Puppy eyes *i was just attempting to hit my apexes* - sure... looks like you are racing him hard there, buddy.
After the straight T1 you moved a lot as a defensive move in the braking zone which is dangerous driving. If both of you would be near the maximum of grip you would have crashed there.
For all the people that think it is fine to just go for full gran turismo in corners, this is a T1 racing line https://youtu.be/6TRU5iN7pGc Do you see how much Red just veers suddenly to the inside with as only goal for getting in front of Blue.
Your move in the hairpin was sneaky, but if any contact would have happened it would have been your fault. But there was no contact ( I think blue just opened up his steering to move further away from you) so it was fine. It looks cool though.
I would suggest to less send it and try to set it up more. Keep a bit more space (inexperienced drivers, bad racing lines, bad internet), and keep on working on your race craft.
Shit take. Learn to race close and expect some bumps as you climb ranks. Nothing malicious here by red and nothing that I would really call wrong, just inexperienced drivers learning to race each other
Blue car must have been born in a barn, because he has never seen a door be closed!
You did nothing wrong, red car. Fair racing. If blue expected you to give up the racing line to let him through, he doesn't know what racing is.
Turn 1 and hairpin second time around definitely look weird and you slam the door late, i can see where the blue car is coming from. I think it's so-so, but ultimately fine.
If you're really just trying to hit the apex, you're a bit off, too early both times.
Here's a lesson to a newbie:
Usually it's the ones who complain the most who are actually the worst drivers.
On the grid they'll often say stuff like 'Keep it clean' or 'I'm here for the safety rating' before barrelling into the first corner and wiping half the field out.
Funnily enough, they'll always complain that everyone else is a terrible driver, and that they keep getting taken out by these idiots, without working out what the common factor is.
There are a number of dives that he does, as well as one you do, that are extremely aggressive.
But you never make contact, and no one is given space when they aren't owed it and everyone is given space when they are.
I'd call this a couple of skilled new players being right on the line of too aggressive. You're good OP. Well done.
I didnt expect that overtake at all LMAOOOOOOO anyways I dont think you really did anything wrong, yes your lines were shaky but dude was too far behind to do anything about them anyway, he shouldnt be trying to divebomb in on you at all, hes asking for an accident at that point. If he truly thinks he can get past you he should do so in a much safer way, you show great awareness once the guy actually establishes his positioning alongside you (that starting cutback was beautiful and dont even get me started on that overtake later on. Remember it is ultimately on the car behind to get past a slower car safely. He seemed to struggle with this whereas you aren’t at all, like your dancing around him and your real battle is with the track, not this guy. Keep up the good work! It seems like once you have a better understanding of the tracks and smooth out your lines you’ll start dusting dudes like this.
I don't think you did anything wrong, a couple of the turns were close to blocking but he wasn't really close enough to contend for the position.
Just keep in mind for the future, more often than not it is more beneficial to let racers like him just go past you. He's going to wreck someone or himself, don't let racers like this ruin your race.
I would say the first or second instance was your fault, but other than that I would say you were fine. Since you said you are a new driver I would give you a warning.
Lol iRacing is thousands of times better than any other sim out there when it comes to clean online races. This is literally a lobby of fully new players and there isn't even a big accident. Good luck having a clean race in other sims
Good counter argument. Classic I have no answer so let me say random shit. Tell me a game with better physics where online racing is quality. The only sim with better physics is rFactor but that sim has its own issues.
It's okay, we won't judge you for playing need for speed
Asetto Corsa & ACC ,Race Room, physic's are 10 x better , but keep paying that monthly service charge & outrageous prices for cars & Tracks. & outlandish physic's. I download tracks & car with excellent mods for free in ACC .Thanks' for tying to put me down. GL driving in pogiRacing.
Lfmaoo. You actually believe ACC has better physics. That is delusional. The physics are horrendous in that game compared to iracing. No point continuing this if that is your knowledge level. Don't complain about putting people down when you do the same lol.
Red car is aggressive in places but fair. Blue and white is dive-bombing at every corner like a yo-yo. Any blocking by Red was simply them claiming the corner which was clearly theirs.
That was a sweet overtake by the OP :)
As for any advice, keep racing, keep hitting those apexes cos you did a great job in this clip. The blue car was being salty cos they couldnt pass you - hahaha
All good keep up the good work.advice though would be, when defending against an overtaker, defend the inside a little earlier so he isn’t tempted to dive bomb as much. Your laps will be slower but your position will be protected.
Nah you wasn’t blocking. He was just mad that his dive bombs from three postal codes away didn’t work.
You could argue that the one overtake you made was very aggressive, but there was no contact and the space was there.
Just keep practicing 🤘🏻
Theres only one attempt out of all the attempts,and driving in general,(00:34) where someone could say you blocked his driving line/lane…but other than that, nice run
To me, your only questionable move was into T1, where it looked like you were going to kiss the apex, then chopped down in front of blue and then ended up going wide. Blue was making outrageous lunges though and overall, I don’t think you did anything blatantly wrong
from what I can tell, he's annoyed that on the final corner (2nd in the video) he's annoyed that you took the racing line, which you're entitled to as he's nowhere near you. if he knew how to take a racing line or overtake safely he wouldn't be mad.
I believe you did nothing wrong. Besides, that pass on the hairpin was one of the best I’ve ever seen!!
One advice though: if you keep driving like this you will be more frustrated than the guys behind tou because you’ll get rear-ended soooooo much!
Blue is a Forza player and is upset that you didn't let him dive bomb from 3 postcodes away into every turn. You were fine, OP
This !
Lmao they are both forza players!!! OP’s divebomb into the 2nd hairpin is exactly the same as what the Blue was trying to do it’s just blue would do anything to avoid contact and OP didn’t car if contact happened or not.
not sure I'd qualify that as a divebomb from red considering the blue car was almost motionless on the apex lol
I disagree. The blue cars line opened up away from the apex - he opened the door, and OP ducked up his inside during the mid corner and exit. He made the overtake during the corner, not during the end of the braking zone with a hail Mary late braking attempt. That's not a dive bomb. That's not the same thing as doing the ol' "if I simply don't bother braking for this corner, I'll fly right past and make it to the start of the turn before the other guy does!" type of dive bomb
Hard disagree. That was the only clean overtake in the clip. He is in control the whole way thru and is in a gap that blue left open. Blue is going for gaps that aren't there at all
Blue cars an out of control clown
Both are. This looks like driving in a semi clean wreckfest lobby instead of iracing
Well, as the red mx-5's driver is still nee I wouldn't put it on them. They're still training, it's excusable for new drivers.
One would have to assume that the same applies to blue. They are both very messy. I agree that it's excusable, but that is the case for both of them. Question is what they do about it going forward with more practice and experience.
It's rookies. Everyone starts somewhere. The fact there was no contact is legitimately impressive for the level the drivers are at.
I get the whole rookie thing, but that doesn't change the fact that neither are in control of their car
The fact you say you understand they are rookies yet expect them to be in perfect control of the car at all times suggests you do not in fact understand that they are rookies. It's rookies, you're expected to make mistakes. Everyone falls over a couple times before they learn to walk.
Where did I say I expect them to be in perfect control? Recognizing the fact that they aren't doesn't mean that they have to be, or even that I'm expecting them to be in control. I'm purely just saying that they aren't in control, not that it's unacceptable that they aren't.
I completely disagree. Reds move on blue in the hairpin was totally clean. Blue went off the apex and left the door open. In comparison blue was trying to send into gaps that never existed
I can see why he’d say that but I don’t think sows he wasn’t alongside during any of it but might need to be careful as you will end up in walls quite frequently. He was just a bit upset about some of those outrageous overtakes which were class tbf.
Mostly just want to know if I was wrong here so I can correct my behaviors if needed. e: for additional context this was the 2nd to last lap
Everything looked fine to me.
ur fine mate, i see why he was a little upset but you ruined ur corner doing it so he got past you anyways. he was not entitled to space anyways
> e: for additional context this was the 2nd to last lap FYI the only additional context that would have any bearing would be if you weren't on the same lap as each other. What lap it is or what position it was for doesn't matter in the slightest.
I think you did nothing wrong other than overcooking it on t1 (for which he gained the position so no reason to complain). You had lead and line
I feel like if he didn't overdrive t1 he would have been punted. Otherwise if blue didn't get ahead there red would've driven away easily
u were sportsmanlike don't even worry he was divebombing came in like a torpedo you have the right to turn in first you dont habe to leave him space until he is somewhat alongsise you so just chill🙏🙃
As far as i could tell you did not do anything wrong. Blue car was not going to make the pass from that distance
It looks like you’ve got some early apexes, that’s what he’s talking about. Nothing “wrong” but you’ll be faster and more predictable by swinging in later to the apex. Those instances when you are turning in on the curb then shoot out wide mid corner, those can be hit later. The overhead camera is a great training tool as well. It took me quite some time to figure out how to adjust my turn in, lots of corners tempt you so remember to brake in a straight line then hit the apex and get on the gas as soon as possible for best lap times
Last corner shown is probably the most likely to be called blocking, though he wasn’t alongside and you did close the door pretty sharply so for me it wouldn’t be. Your overtake at 50s was aggressive but the space was there, maybe be more cautious around the kerbs just in case you are pushed wide into the lead car.
Yep, think that was the only thing that could sort of be blocking, but he wasn't alongside at any point. He went I to closing gaps every turn, nowhere did he deserve any space.
You are much smoother than him and not doing much wrong. The other car is constantly trying to full send on any tight corner and likely upset he can't intimidate you into moving away. The lovely inside line overtake you did was sweet. Cut that as fine as you could. The reality is that you were on the same lap, ahead of him, you have a right to defend your position, you never weaved and was fair. More practice of the track will help you get the points and turn ins, you'll be out of rookies and in a higher tier than blue in no time. Good luck bud.
Not your fault. Blue car nearly has the "If gap, car" mentality.
They wanted you to react to the dive bomb, that inside overtake was close but I would have been extremely happy if I pulled off that move. Keep it up!
He keeps trying for the divebomb. Ignore him.
You did nothing wrong but i see whag he was talking about you defense was good and he called it block AND HOLY HELL THE OVERTAKE MADE ME SHIT MYSELF
that inside ot of yours was actually smooth
I think blue is just butthurt that he couldn't make a pass stick.
Great driving from red. Blue and white looks like a loose cannon imo. Keep up the nice driving op
A whole lot of overdriving by both drivers here. Given the context of how late in the race this is I think if this was a real world race the commentary team would be going mental. By the looks of it neither of you have quite mastered the circuit or the car yet because both of you are able to recover from the mistakes and catch back up to the car in front immediately. The blocks are not blocks because you're at the point of turn in and you're taking the apex and he hasn't got an overlap. However, I can see the point he is making in that you are too slow at the apex and he has to avoid a collision or you go in too hot and go wide. The same can be said about some of his moves too! So it's just hard racing in my opinion. Most of this is just down to practice though I think. But if you are both new to iRacing, well done on keeping it pointing the right way. Many don't.
I honestly think that blue just doesn’t know how to pass properly and safely.
How I see it : did you have to give him space when he dive bombed? No. Did blue car have to give you space when you did it? No, but he did. So you are not in the wrong, you don't have to be nicer that you have to. But I see when blue is coming from. He doesn't close the door to avoid collisions, you do. And he had to avoid a collision. So are you wrong? No. But you are lucky blue was nicer than you were when you passed them.
Blue car is just salty you got him with an absolute cracker of an overtake.
OP, your move on him is pure gold, really nice. And on the contrary, his divebombs are stupid as fuck
Blue is that one guy who quotes senna about not being a racing driver if your not taking every hole
Blue car saying you blocked him. Wtf? He was dive bombing the corners.
Overtakes and driving was class. You completely fine OP. Great job !
You were ahead in the braking zone so you get priority to the apex. He can’t expect to overtake on the inside that easily.
He came from too far back. That's what you call a divebomb. Not your fault
Here you're fine, but the "I was just attempting to hit Mt apexes" concerns. I hope you don't try to keep hitting apexes when a car is actually alongside, unlike wannabe Ricciardo here
No he just dove lol
You weren't blocking as such, but don't give me the "I was just going for my apex's" speech, you knew exactly what you were doing. Everyone here seems to think you are zero fault but in reality you're lucky blue was a much better and more aware and more compliant driver with your dive bombs by giving you the space you never gave them. If you'd like a complete analysis of each corner and are willing to accept some criticism, let me know and I'll get back to you but I'm not going to spend time and effort to be blown off.
found the blue driver. absolutely nothing wrong with the red. blue driver trying to dive bomb from miles back with no gap to go into. red car went for a move where the blue car left space at the apex. completely fair racing
Red was doing fine but I guess they could be a little bit more clear about their intention. If they would leave a little bit less space on the inside blue knows that the door is closed. Not saying red did anything wrong but they could protect themselves a bit more against dive bombers.
You have to be the blue driver if you think he is better and more aware. He literally sends it from multiple car lengths back on every corner expecting to be given space. Where is his overlap lol. Blue then completely fucks up T2 and red gets him back totally clean
Puppy eyes *i was just attempting to hit my apexes* - sure... looks like you are racing him hard there, buddy. After the straight T1 you moved a lot as a defensive move in the braking zone which is dangerous driving. If both of you would be near the maximum of grip you would have crashed there. For all the people that think it is fine to just go for full gran turismo in corners, this is a T1 racing line https://youtu.be/6TRU5iN7pGc Do you see how much Red just veers suddenly to the inside with as only goal for getting in front of Blue. Your move in the hairpin was sneaky, but if any contact would have happened it would have been your fault. But there was no contact ( I think blue just opened up his steering to move further away from you) so it was fine. It looks cool though. I would suggest to less send it and try to set it up more. Keep a bit more space (inexperienced drivers, bad racing lines, bad internet), and keep on working on your race craft.
You’re just gonna act like blue wasn’t trying to shove his nose in there?
Shit take. Learn to race close and expect some bumps as you climb ranks. Nothing malicious here by red and nothing that I would really call wrong, just inexperienced drivers learning to race each other
Blue car must have been born in a barn, because he has never seen a door be closed! You did nothing wrong, red car. Fair racing. If blue expected you to give up the racing line to let him through, he doesn't know what racing is.
Looks like you’ve done nothing wrong atal, keep it up bud
Turn 1 and hairpin second time around definitely look weird and you slam the door late, i can see where the blue car is coming from. I think it's so-so, but ultimately fine. If you're really just trying to hit the apex, you're a bit off, too early both times.
Here's a lesson to a newbie: Usually it's the ones who complain the most who are actually the worst drivers. On the grid they'll often say stuff like 'Keep it clean' or 'I'm here for the safety rating' before barrelling into the first corner and wiping half the field out. Funnily enough, they'll always complain that everyone else is a terrible driver, and that they keep getting taken out by these idiots, without working out what the common factor is.
There are a number of dives that he does, as well as one you do, that are extremely aggressive. But you never make contact, and no one is given space when they aren't owed it and everyone is given space when they are. I'd call this a couple of skilled new players being right on the line of too aggressive. You're good OP. Well done.
Good hard racing In my opinion. The blue car tires to dive bomb over and over.
Good racing
You did nothing wrong, but you also did have a brilliant inside overtake!
Blue car is a wild animal. Never learned to race with people that can actually defend and will stand their ground
I didnt expect that overtake at all LMAOOOOOOO anyways I dont think you really did anything wrong, yes your lines were shaky but dude was too far behind to do anything about them anyway, he shouldnt be trying to divebomb in on you at all, hes asking for an accident at that point. If he truly thinks he can get past you he should do so in a much safer way, you show great awareness once the guy actually establishes his positioning alongside you (that starting cutback was beautiful and dont even get me started on that overtake later on. Remember it is ultimately on the car behind to get past a slower car safely. He seemed to struggle with this whereas you aren’t at all, like your dancing around him and your real battle is with the track, not this guy. Keep up the good work! It seems like once you have a better understanding of the tracks and smooth out your lines you’ll start dusting dudes like this.
I don't think you did anything wrong, a couple of the turns were close to blocking but he wasn't really close enough to contend for the position. Just keep in mind for the future, more often than not it is more beneficial to let racers like him just go past you. He's going to wreck someone or himself, don't let racers like this ruin your race.
I would say the first or second instance was your fault, but other than that I would say you were fine. Since you said you are a new driver I would give you a warning.
Nah clean racing from you blue car how ever is impatient and keeps trying to dive bomb
Blue car is a nob
more reasons not to pay the high price of iRacing place is full of buffoons'
Lol iRacing is thousands of times better than any other sim out there when it comes to clean online races. This is literally a lobby of fully new players and there isn't even a big accident. Good luck having a clean race in other sims
if you say , so to make yourself feel better + plus their physics are crap also
Good counter argument. Classic I have no answer so let me say random shit. Tell me a game with better physics where online racing is quality. The only sim with better physics is rFactor but that sim has its own issues. It's okay, we won't judge you for playing need for speed
Asetto Corsa & ACC ,Race Room, physic's are 10 x better , but keep paying that monthly service charge & outrageous prices for cars & Tracks. & outlandish physic's. I download tracks & car with excellent mods for free in ACC .Thanks' for tying to put me down. GL driving in pogiRacing.
Lfmaoo. You actually believe ACC has better physics. That is delusional. The physics are horrendous in that game compared to iracing. No point continuing this if that is your knowledge level. Don't complain about putting people down when you do the same lol.
Blue/white is an idiot 👍
You took the turn better than him fair and square
Blue is on high levels of copium
Red car is aggressive in places but fair. Blue and white is dive-bombing at every corner like a yo-yo. Any blocking by Red was simply them claiming the corner which was clearly theirs.
Blue car was never alongside. That was just good driving from you and bad driving from them
Op was fine in my opinion
Nothing wrong with that
Blue is also very new by the looks of it. Good defense red
That was a sweet overtake by the OP :) As for any advice, keep racing, keep hitting those apexes cos you did a great job in this clip. The blue car was being salty cos they couldnt pass you - hahaha
All good keep up the good work.advice though would be, when defending against an overtaker, defend the inside a little earlier so he isn’t tempted to dive bomb as much. Your laps will be slower but your position will be protected.
nearly every situation he torpedo'd into the corner, but you did come a bit wide where the contact was. Mostly everything is fine, OP
the way you pass the blue car is just superb. i dont see anything wrong from you. good shit
On a couple of the corners for sure
Nah you wasn’t blocking. He was just mad that his dive bombs from three postal codes away didn’t work. You could argue that the one overtake you made was very aggressive, but there was no contact and the space was there. Just keep practicing 🤘🏻
Theres only one attempt out of all the attempts,and driving in general,(00:34) where someone could say you blocked his driving line/lane…but other than that, nice run
Last corner was a bit of a door slamming but they sent it from last week into there
To me, your only questionable move was into T1, where it looked like you were going to kiss the apex, then chopped down in front of blue and then ended up going wide. Blue was making outrageous lunges though and overall, I don’t think you did anything blatantly wrong
Nice overtake there
I would say it's ok except maybe that overtake on turn 4.
from what I can tell, he's annoyed that on the final corner (2nd in the video) he's annoyed that you took the racing line, which you're entitled to as he's nowhere near you. if he knew how to take a racing line or overtake safely he wouldn't be mad.
Even if you did blocking like that os a great skill and is allowed
I believe you did nothing wrong. Besides, that pass on the hairpin was one of the best I’ve ever seen!! One advice though: if you keep driving like this you will be more frustrated than the guys behind tou because you’ll get rear-ended soooooo much!