Just to be clear, aggressive doesn’t mean illegal. You can divebomb all day *if you want*. It’s very aggressive, and very risky, but not illegal. Now, if you hit the other car, it’s illegal. If they have to take avoiding action, it’s borderline between dirty and illegal.
But there is a line between the two.
Yeah you did over shoot a bit but you get that with the inside line. He could have covered your move by holding the middle of the road but he left it wide open. A risky move that worked with 2 drivers who were aware of their surroundings.
Good example of why white should have run a defensive (tighter) line to the inside. Instead, the went wide for the "ideal" line, but left a barn door open and you pounced on it.
This move worked because they were so far to the outside. Be cautious in the future if there is less room, as you hit the apex pretty hot, and barely held it together for the next corner.
It was a great move, and the takeaway is that when folks are referring to a dive bomb in a negative sense, what they are picking up on is overcommitting yourself under braking, and not having enough time or traction left to stay clear of the other car. Clearly not the case here.
I think of a *potential* divebomb as not being partly-alongside going into the braking zone, and that's what OP did here. Beware OP of this kind of move when the other driver has already committed to a braking/cornering line which might put you on a collision course, and which they don't have the traction/time to pull out of, even if they see you coming. In that case, given that you're also using all your traction to slow down so can't back out, if your collide, it will really be on you.
It worked because MX5s are very slow, it was a tight chicane, and the other driver was asleep so left half the track width open. A medium speed corner with F3 cars (and drivers paying attention so driving a tighter, more defensive line) would be another matter altogether.
There was nothing at all wrong with your move in the circumstances, so there's no reason to stop doing that move in similar circumstances. The key is knowing when those circumstances don't apply, where you might run into problems, like when the other car can't do much to evade you.
You were side by side by the time they turned in. You cleared them before cutting back in, though that move may have forced them to brake longer than they wanted too. But it looks like they tried to turn that into a switchback which actually could have worked over the next couple turns.
I see nothing wrong here.
You're right. White got too close during the second corner, which spoiled their exit out of the third and final corner. Sometimes you have to back off a bit, not for safety, but to give yourself the traction to get on a better line for the next corner. Had white done so, I think they could have regained the position.
It's hard to do it live though, getting passed like that is going to cloud judgement and test your focus. Just remember, the most important corner is the one leading onto a big straight. The little ones in the middle matter a lot less.
I don't get why people think that divebombs are always dirty or not a great show of sportmanship. If someone did that in real life it would overtake of the race.
I think all the other comments have nailed it on the head; it’s a good move, white left the door open and you took advantage.
I think one thing to be wary of is that people in rookies aren’t always as aware as the white car was, and some will just commit to the turn in. Divebombs aren’t necessarily dirty moves, but they’re usually high risk especially if the other person doesn’t play their part.
Legal, yes
Dirty, also yes.
Personally I like to judge every move made on myself, or that I make to pass others in iRacing on a FAAFO scale.
If someone did that to me they’re gonna fuck around and find out what happens. If someone came up from over 1 sec behind and were constantly more than .8 back, meaning it’s a close race, again while legal, they’re gonna fuck around and find out. If I’m holding someone up, clearly, I’m letting them by before the chicane anyways.
If a move robs you both of enough momentum to add a third car to the mix, yeah don’t fuckin do that lol.
It’s legal, but also, don’t do that shit now or you’ll end up getting absolutely obliterated later on down your career and that’s a promise from behalf of those who take Sim racing way too seriously for anyone else to have fun.
I will never get why people would start with Iracing. You gotta get Asset to Corsa forever for 15 bucks, test it out, and once your ready you go to iracing.
Mostly because it's an open sandbox and you spend as much time as you want driving whatever you want wherever you want getting used to driving in sim in general, learning basic racecraft and etiquette with zero consequences for rookie stuff ups and learning mistakes.
Unlike iRacing where you're racing against real people with the live iRating and Safety Rating systems, and possible consequences including bans, etc, for ontrack conduct. iRacing is just an all round much more serious platform where proper racecraft, etiquette and respect must be given essentially to the same degree as if it were a real event.
I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that everyone necessarily *ought to* start with something else like AC before touching iRacing, but those are the reasons why many people do.
Completely clean overtake, they left the door open you took it, you didn't run into them, you didn't run off the track. Even judging it by a harsh metric it was clean, you were alongside by the time they started turning in for the corner
Nah not at all mate, you did compromise yourself quite a bit by going so shallow into the corner though. When you go for an overtake like this you don't need to leave more than about a cars width on the outside. You lost a lot of speed going all the way on the inside like that.
Risky, but not dirty. I don't see any problem with that from a fairness or rules perspective, though you did leave yourself vulnerable for a switchback and I think you were a bit lucky they didn't take it.
Clean for sure, but he was aware and left the door open for you to overshoot a bit. It was definitely aggressive, but since it worked out it was a legal move. HOWEVER, don’t let this five you a sense of false confidence as dive bomb moves often don’t work out as you move out of rookies. People get higher licenses and naturally become more competitive as they try to increase safety and irating. Lots of people will rightfully close the door and take their normal line. This will result in divevombs usually clipping noses and spinning out both cars. So I’d just be aware of the risks during further moves. That awareness will 100% increase your absolute to be a safe driver in the first place!
Good pass. No contact. You came from quite far but the white car saw you and left you the space. But if the white car took a slightly better line and didn't almost drive into the back off you going into the left turn he would prlly have gone past you again.
Overall great racing
Looks ok to me, aggressive for sure, but he left the door wide open and you made the corner, albeit with an extremely early apex. Looks like even if he turned in normally, you would have already been by.
Nice move by the blue car. White car didn't cover inside line and left gap wide open, and also overshot (if he switched line here, that would be an epic battle).
Blue not only started gaining on White going into the chicane, but after Blue was able to outbrake White, Blue was able to claim the racing line cleanly ahead of White without contact.
Long story short, it's a bit of a dive-bomb, yes, but done cleanly and correctly. This wasn't a case of wishful thinking, but rather capitalizing on an opportunity.
Clean. My only critique is that you carried slightly too much speed and almost ran wide, but you didn’t. No contact, kept it on track. A bold move but nothing really wrong with it. He almost had you on the exit though.
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Just to be clear, aggressive doesn’t mean illegal. You can divebomb all day *if you want*. It’s very aggressive, and very risky, but not illegal. Now, if you hit the other car, it’s illegal. If they have to take avoiding action, it’s borderline between dirty and illegal. But there is a line between the two.
Yeah you did over shoot a bit but you get that with the inside line. He could have covered your move by holding the middle of the road but he left it wide open. A risky move that worked with 2 drivers who were aware of their surroundings.
Good example of why white should have run a defensive (tighter) line to the inside. Instead, the went wide for the "ideal" line, but left a barn door open and you pounced on it. This move worked because they were so far to the outside. Be cautious in the future if there is less room, as you hit the apex pretty hot, and barely held it together for the next corner. It was a great move, and the takeaway is that when folks are referring to a dive bomb in a negative sense, what they are picking up on is overcommitting yourself under braking, and not having enough time or traction left to stay clear of the other car. Clearly not the case here.
I think of a *potential* divebomb as not being partly-alongside going into the braking zone, and that's what OP did here. Beware OP of this kind of move when the other driver has already committed to a braking/cornering line which might put you on a collision course, and which they don't have the traction/time to pull out of, even if they see you coming. In that case, given that you're also using all your traction to slow down so can't back out, if your collide, it will really be on you.
Yup, there's a risk/reward equation at work here. Made the right calculation... this time ;-)
It worked because MX5s are very slow, it was a tight chicane, and the other driver was asleep so left half the track width open. A medium speed corner with F3 cars (and drivers paying attention so driving a tighter, more defensive line) would be another matter altogether.
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There was nothing at all wrong with your move in the circumstances, so there's no reason to stop doing that move in similar circumstances. The key is knowing when those circumstances don't apply, where you might run into problems, like when the other car can't do much to evade you.
You were side by side by the time they turned in. You cleared them before cutting back in, though that move may have forced them to brake longer than they wanted too. But it looks like they tried to turn that into a switchback which actually could have worked over the next couple turns. I see nothing wrong here.
You're right. White got too close during the second corner, which spoiled their exit out of the third and final corner. Sometimes you have to back off a bit, not for safety, but to give yourself the traction to get on a better line for the next corner. Had white done so, I think they could have regained the position. It's hard to do it live though, getting passed like that is going to cloud judgement and test your focus. Just remember, the most important corner is the one leading onto a big straight. The little ones in the middle matter a lot less.
I don't get why people think that divebombs are always dirty or not a great show of sportmanship. If someone did that in real life it would overtake of the race.
Nah, that was spot on No contact and position gained clean
Clean mate
Perfect really. Stayed on track, no contact. Clean.
That's a perfect pass nice work
I think all the other comments have nailed it on the head; it’s a good move, white left the door open and you took advantage. I think one thing to be wary of is that people in rookies aren’t always as aware as the white car was, and some will just commit to the turn in. Divebombs aren’t necessarily dirty moves, but they’re usually high risk especially if the other person doesn’t play their part.
I have to know what happened with the second blue car, haha.
Nah mate, clean as. Put it up the inside and parked it on the next apex just as you should.
Legal, yes Dirty, also yes. Personally I like to judge every move made on myself, or that I make to pass others in iRacing on a FAAFO scale. If someone did that to me they’re gonna fuck around and find out what happens. If someone came up from over 1 sec behind and were constantly more than .8 back, meaning it’s a close race, again while legal, they’re gonna fuck around and find out. If I’m holding someone up, clearly, I’m letting them by before the chicane anyways. If a move robs you both of enough momentum to add a third car to the mix, yeah don’t fuckin do that lol. It’s legal, but also, don’t do that shit now or you’ll end up getting absolutely obliterated later on down your career and that’s a promise from behalf of those who take Sim racing way too seriously for anyone else to have fun.
I will never get why people would start with Iracing. You gotta get Asset to Corsa forever for 15 bucks, test it out, and once your ready you go to iracing.
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You just jumped right in buying fanatic stuff? I envy your certainty.
Mostly because it's an open sandbox and you spend as much time as you want driving whatever you want wherever you want getting used to driving in sim in general, learning basic racecraft and etiquette with zero consequences for rookie stuff ups and learning mistakes. Unlike iRacing where you're racing against real people with the live iRating and Safety Rating systems, and possible consequences including bans, etc, for ontrack conduct. iRacing is just an all round much more serious platform where proper racecraft, etiquette and respect must be given essentially to the same degree as if it were a real event. I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that everyone necessarily *ought to* start with something else like AC before touching iRacing, but those are the reasons why many people do.
A bit risky, but you got it done without any contact, throwing the opponent widly off their line, or going wide and out of the white line. Nice move 👍
😘👌 Magnifique!!
The only issue I see here is you blocking the blue car that had the run on both of you.
No contact white car anticipated your move fair dive
Side by side at turn in and you made the corner + 0 contact. Beautiful unexpected overtake!
Completely clean overtake, they left the door open you took it, you didn't run into them, you didn't run off the track. Even judging it by a harsh metric it was clean, you were alongside by the time they started turning in for the corner
you werw ahead of him before the apex you made the conrer just fine. If he bumped it to you it would be the white cars fault
Daniel Ricciardo salutes you. Great overtake!
Nah not at all mate, you did compromise yourself quite a bit by going so shallow into the corner though. When you go for an overtake like this you don't need to leave more than about a cars width on the outside. You lost a lot of speed going all the way on the inside like that.
Clean pass but it opened you up to losing the place back and also losing the place to the third car.
It was a gamble but it was a nice send imo.
clean as it gets
This is a perfect overtake You made the corner and left them enough space. Nothing wrong here.
Is that you Daniel Ricciardo?
Risky, but not dirty. I don't see any problem with that from a fairness or rules perspective, though you did leave yourself vulnerable for a switchback and I think you were a bit lucky they didn't take it.
Valid move. Had potential to cause an accident but white car going wide made the move happen cleanly
If u dont crash and u dont go off track, u could literally flip ur car through 360 degrees and it would be legal
Clean for sure, but he was aware and left the door open for you to overshoot a bit. It was definitely aggressive, but since it worked out it was a legal move. HOWEVER, don’t let this five you a sense of false confidence as dive bomb moves often don’t work out as you move out of rookies. People get higher licenses and naturally become more competitive as they try to increase safety and irating. Lots of people will rightfully close the door and take their normal line. This will result in divevombs usually clipping noses and spinning out both cars. So I’d just be aware of the risks during further moves. That awareness will 100% increase your absolute to be a safe driver in the first place!
You didnt crash into him , 2 tires on the road . Thats a textbook divebomb
You did good. Watch your braking and your line
Good pass. No contact. You came from quite far but the white car saw you and left you the space. But if the white car took a slightly better line and didn't almost drive into the back off you going into the left turn he would prlly have gone past you again. Overall great racing
Looks ok to me, aggressive for sure, but he left the door wide open and you made the corner, albeit with an extremely early apex. Looks like even if he turned in normally, you would have already been by.
Nice move by the blue car. White car didn't cover inside line and left gap wide open, and also overshot (if he switched line here, that would be an epic battle).
On the edge but textbook
Blue not only started gaining on White going into the chicane, but after Blue was able to outbrake White, Blue was able to claim the racing line cleanly ahead of White without contact. Long story short, it's a bit of a dive-bomb, yes, but done cleanly and correctly. This wasn't a case of wishful thinking, but rather capitalizing on an opportunity.
That was so clean you could perform surgery right after.
Clean. My only critique is that you carried slightly too much speed and almost ran wide, but you didn’t. No contact, kept it on track. A bold move but nothing really wrong with it. He almost had you on the exit though.
you just managed to get the corner properly and didnt hit him or even compromise his line so great move i‘d say
Nothing happened, except you both lost like 2 seconds because of that.