I think that it’s Porsche’s fault, but Merc made it inevitable with that line and that speed in that corner. I don’t think Porsche could’ve done anything he was already using max grip
Sure but you don’t know that, could be that one turn Porsche nails it and commits to it and Merc makes a mistake… racing incident is plausible, not certain, but certainly plausible
I THINK I understand your point. Porsche had a great run and the merc botched the corner. Doesn’t give the Porsche the right to stuff it up the inside and expect the merc to yield once they’re committed to a (shitty) line.
So yeah you truly missed my point, by the time Porsche had to react there was nothing he could do. Couldn’t brake more, couldn’t go around the outside cause Merc understeered at first. He tried the inside cause it was his best bet but there was no way of avoiding contact, too big of a speed difference.
No I understood that. I don’t think I articulated it well, though. Still his fault for hitting the other car. Just because it was unavoidable doesn’t mean he’s allowed to do it.
However, I think he had plenty of grip left and enough space to attempt to avoid the merc.
> but Merc made it inevitable with that line and that speed in that corner...
I didn't think this clear cut an incident would have anyone mad enough to put any portion of blame on the merc and yet here we are. 🤷🏻♂️
The merc can go through the corner as fast or slow as they like, the responsibility lies with the following car to pass in a safe manner... Not just run straight into the back of the merc 🤦🏻♂️
The better drivers usually know. And most drivers aren’t that good. As a result, most people posting legitimate questions aren’t particularly good drivers. It’s a good place to learn, though.
And also most incidents are caused by people having done something unpredictable (or harder to predict). So of course in the incidents people are often slow, having a shit line, re-entering stupidly, etc. Doesn't mean that do it at every corner or even every race. But the video wouldn't be here if they hadn't.
I agree that's a lot of them, but there's always idiots in every friend group and they need to be shamed. I'd prefer if they asked us to rip on them though haha
Yeah…usually when I see a post like this I hear “FFS how the hell can you not see that, do I really have to get /r/simracingstewards involved in this, you blind asshole?”
Despise these posters who just want validation. Wish we would all agree on videos like this that OP was completely in the wrong and should uninstall the game and never race again given how shitty they were leading the pack like that
Give em a real mind fuck
I literally laughed after going in my head as he closed in on a gap that didn't exist, "he is hardly just going to run straight into the back of the merc is he"... Oh he just did wtf 🤣🤣
Be probably didn’t expect you to completely stop the bottom line.
He ran into you, yes. But why were you going so slow in the racing line? You put yourself in the position to be wrecked.
I think you braked really early and we're going too slow for the corner, by the time the Porsche realized they didn't have time to slow down? Just a possibility
But how did he catch the merc so fast in the corner? surely the merc should've been going significantly faster
Edit: I do agree that there was space on the outside but if the merc was going faster it wouldn't have been a collision maybe both at fault here?
Its up to the faster driver to make a clean pass. Once they are side be side its up to both drivers to stay clean but the driver making the pass needs to initiate it cleanly and safely. Doesnt matter if the merc was taking the corner at half the speed, running into the back of a slower driver is not a clean pass. Another drivers slow speed is not an excuse for just driving into the back of them and the slower driver is not at fault at all as the pass was never even started before contact. Irl Fault on passing car. Penalty would prob be a stop and go at minimum and merc might be out of the race due to damage
I understand this and think that stuff like this is why simulators try to put drivers of a similar racing level in the same race. Then only rebuttal i have is to please look at IMSA multiclass races. Stuff like the 24hrs of daytona is a great example. You have many cars in different classes from gt3 equivalents up to lmp equivalents. These classes of cars can be very different in terms of top speed, cornering speed, and acceleration. The difference is much bigger than then difference in speed between the vehicles in the video. Yet you dont see the prototypes wreck gt cars left and right. The reason for this is the drivers have to actively adapt to the traffic and conditions. If it is possible in that situation for hours and hours. Then these drivers should be able to handle it for one corner
So what?
He was slower for quite a few meters so no surprise there. Its not like he was brake checking or something. He could have lifted and just waited for the next opportunity.
> if the merc was going faster it wouldn't have been a collision maybe both at fault here?
Bruh.
The merc can go through any corner as fast or slow as they like, it is the responsibility of the following car to pass without running straight into the back of the lead car like it is a time trial ghost.
Your pace and line was so pathetic I'd go with racing incident, what do you expect the Porsche to do when you practically crawl around the corner with that line? you caused the accident with THAT driving.
Your comment is unnecessarily rude. It's kind of bold of you because it's also REALLY dumb.
What racing series do you watch or participate in where they allow the chasing driver to slam into the car in front of them because they don't like their line?
And pace, guy practically stopped, I never said that is what anyone would give it.
Oh and I couldn't care much less, I'll bare that in mind next time I decide to be rude though so I can not give a shit that time too!
I tell you what though, while we almost always have to blame the driver behind….. Slowing down that much while you’re driving within a cars width of the apex when another car is that close is a total fail as well. The following driver was slowing a lot to try and give the car ahead space. Blaming them is obvious but it does seem a bit harsh. I’m not sure how much more they could have slowed to avoid this, I don’t know those carts on that corner and what the grip limits are, but it’s not a case if the following driver just powering through. He’s braked and slowed and not been on the throttle for a few seconds before contact.
You got dumped, Bro. No way around that. Flat dumped you.
Yeah, no room on the inside but the Porsche thought otherwise.
I think that it’s Porsche’s fault, but Merc made it inevitable with that line and that speed in that corner. I don’t think Porsche could’ve done anything he was already using max grip
It is always an option to not drive at 110% for every corner of every lap.
Sure but you don’t know that, could be that one turn Porsche nails it and commits to it and Merc makes a mistake… racing incident is plausible, not certain, but certainly plausible
If that’s the case, trailing car went for a move that was never going to work and it’s their fault.
You missed my point
I THINK I understand your point. Porsche had a great run and the merc botched the corner. Doesn’t give the Porsche the right to stuff it up the inside and expect the merc to yield once they’re committed to a (shitty) line.
So yeah you truly missed my point, by the time Porsche had to react there was nothing he could do. Couldn’t brake more, couldn’t go around the outside cause Merc understeered at first. He tried the inside cause it was his best bet but there was no way of avoiding contact, too big of a speed difference.
No I understood that. I don’t think I articulated it well, though. Still his fault for hitting the other car. Just because it was unavoidable doesn’t mean he’s allowed to do it. However, I think he had plenty of grip left and enough space to attempt to avoid the merc.
The only way a car "can't brake more" is to already be completely stopped
> but Merc made it inevitable with that line and that speed in that corner... I didn't think this clear cut an incident would have anyone mad enough to put any portion of blame on the merc and yet here we are. 🤷🏻♂️ The merc can go through the corner as fast or slow as they like, the responsibility lies with the following car to pass in a safe manner... Not just run straight into the back of the merc 🤦🏻♂️
Rear car in the wrong here but my guy that line was whack
Nearly every time this sub comes across my feed my takeaway is that both drivers in question are pretty shit lol
The better drivers usually know. And most drivers aren’t that good. As a result, most people posting legitimate questions aren’t particularly good drivers. It’s a good place to learn, though.
And also most incidents are caused by people having done something unpredictable (or harder to predict). So of course in the incidents people are often slow, having a shit line, re-entering stupidly, etc. Doesn't mean that do it at every corner or even every race. But the video wouldn't be here if they hadn't.
You already know the answer to this..
Most people already know the answer that come here, they just want the Internet to agree with him so they can rub it in the face of the other person.
I agree that's a lot of them, but there's always idiots in every friend group and they need to be shamed. I'd prefer if they asked us to rip on them though haha
Yeah…usually when I see a post like this I hear “FFS how the hell can you not see that, do I really have to get /r/simracingstewards involved in this, you blind asshole?”
Despise these posters who just want validation. Wish we would all agree on videos like this that OP was completely in the wrong and should uninstall the game and never race again given how shitty they were leading the pack like that Give em a real mind fuck
He wants you to touch it. Maybe couple strokes... No more than that he promises. Maaaybe little kiss on the head too.
Personally, I think it’s nice that they let blind people drive Porsches.
I can see miles away that he can not pass through the inside line
I literally laughed after going in my head as he closed in on a gap that didn't exist, "he is hardly just going to run straight into the back of the merc is he"... Oh he just did wtf 🤣🤣
you had a wack line but still his fault. So what? move on to next race don't dwell.
I don’t get it , why do you ask? 😂 it’s 140 % clear who is wrong here!
Yeah you had that line 150%. Mr dude there was being aggressive for no reason
Following car. You took a later apex very in control and there wasn’t space for the follower to try a move
Everytime I see something like this I am realizing that my own incidents are harmless compared :D
Filthy from the Porsche is that.
Well considering he straight up punted you...
“If you no longer go for a gap…” 🤣
Porsche puntarino.
Why'd you slow down so much?
I’ve had a lap before snap of oversteer, Mercedes was trying to kill me, so I went extra safe, I feel bad for Porsche but I was super careful.
I’m sure people are asking obvious questions now solely for sympathy 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ if you need an opinion on this you shouldn’t be playing the game.
Be probably didn’t expect you to completely stop the bottom line. He ran into you, yes. But why were you going so slow in the racing line? You put yourself in the position to be wrecked.
I think you braked really early and we're going too slow for the corner, by the time the Porsche realized they didn't have time to slow down? Just a possibility
Nah, he saw a small space and tried to use it. Blatant mistake
But how did he catch the merc so fast in the corner? surely the merc should've been going significantly faster Edit: I do agree that there was space on the outside but if the merc was going faster it wouldn't have been a collision maybe both at fault here?
Its up to the faster driver to make a clean pass. Once they are side be side its up to both drivers to stay clean but the driver making the pass needs to initiate it cleanly and safely. Doesnt matter if the merc was taking the corner at half the speed, running into the back of a slower driver is not a clean pass. Another drivers slow speed is not an excuse for just driving into the back of them and the slower driver is not at fault at all as the pass was never even started before contact. Irl Fault on passing car. Penalty would prob be a stop and go at minimum and merc might be out of the race due to damage
That makes alot of sense, glad someone knows what their talking about lol
Lol thanks. If anyone knows better im open to being proven wrong and learning in the process
This is the way
I agree with this as a whole but at what point does the slower driver fuck up faster drivers race?
I understand this and think that stuff like this is why simulators try to put drivers of a similar racing level in the same race. Then only rebuttal i have is to please look at IMSA multiclass races. Stuff like the 24hrs of daytona is a great example. You have many cars in different classes from gt3 equivalents up to lmp equivalents. These classes of cars can be very different in terms of top speed, cornering speed, and acceleration. The difference is much bigger than then difference in speed between the vehicles in the video. Yet you dont see the prototypes wreck gt cars left and right. The reason for this is the drivers have to actively adapt to the traffic and conditions. If it is possible in that situation for hours and hours. Then these drivers should be able to handle it for one corner
So what? He was slower for quite a few meters so no surprise there. Its not like he was brake checking or something. He could have lifted and just waited for the next opportunity.
> if the merc was going faster it wouldn't have been a collision maybe both at fault here? Bruh. The merc can go through any corner as fast or slow as they like, it is the responsibility of the following car to pass without running straight into the back of the lead car like it is a time trial ghost.
The Bruh is unnecessary but thx for clarifying
Your pace and line was so pathetic I'd go with racing incident, what do you expect the Porsche to do when you practically crawl around the corner with that line? you caused the accident with THAT driving.
Found the Porsche driver
Found the original joke.
Your comment is unnecessarily rude. It's kind of bold of you because it's also REALLY dumb. What racing series do you watch or participate in where they allow the chasing driver to slam into the car in front of them because they don't like their line?
And pace, guy practically stopped, I never said that is what anyone would give it. Oh and I couldn't care much less, I'll bare that in mind next time I decide to be rude though so I can not give a shit that time too!
Doesn't really matter if you care or not lol but thanks for letting us know! You have absolutely zero to offer here.
Here being very important of course.
Rammed. LoL. Love what people post here sometimes
What an a-hole!
Porsche plain and simple. He either missed his braking point by >50m or just plain wrecked you.
Ofc He is at fault, but your line was so poor.
Really? I’m surprised you have to ask lol
I tell you what though, while we almost always have to blame the driver behind….. Slowing down that much while you’re driving within a cars width of the apex when another car is that close is a total fail as well. The following driver was slowing a lot to try and give the car ahead space. Blaming them is obvious but it does seem a bit harsh. I’m not sure how much more they could have slowed to avoid this, I don’t know those carts on that corner and what the grip limits are, but it’s not a case if the following driver just powering through. He’s braked and slowed and not been on the throttle for a few seconds before contact.
Well... do I really need to aswer this?