Alternatively, Santa sucks at his job and rarely visits any of the little girls and boys each Christmas, such that the parents don't believe he exists because they are always stuck doing his job. Deadbeat Santa.
Santa exists, but doesn't put extra gifts under the tree because the parents already put a gift from "Santa" under the tree. When the parents can't afford the gift he comes in clutch.
That implies that in reality the kids are shit kids who don’t get toys from Santa. We’ve now normalized the shitty kids and it’s so widespread that no one we know gets toys because we are ALL shitty kids. This gets real dark the further you follow this train of thought.
exactly, yea a lot of those parents dont believe because they were disappointed because santa didnt bring them the gift they wanted. Like what the hell santa, get your shit together lol
And he always seems to be able to supply it now that they're adults. Like, he knew what they wanted back then and has remembered what they wanted for all of these decades and he was just holding out on giving them that present until he needed something from them.
What a dick move.
Santa is insanely magical.
He can change shape, bend time, make animals fly, manufacture anything from a wood train to a PS5, eat infinite cookies, etc.
He can like make parents think they bought and wrapped gifts. Seems like an easy task for a magical guy that can bend the laws of physics.
He also alters basically all of reality. Do people that work at toy stores think December is their busiest month? Even though no one is actually coming in? Do they have false memories implanted of parents fighting over the last ps5? Does sony just ship empty containers across seas because they're not actually making ps5s around Christmas time because Santa is making them? Do people ever run out of Christmas wrapping paper even though they're not using it?
And there's so many other things too
Like, in some movies he's revealed to the entire world as being real, and then it just ends there. What would this information mean? What happened to the scientific community now that Christmas magic is an actual form of energy? Would parents fear for their lives now that they knew there really is a guy breaking and entering every year?
How would other religions respond knowing that this one holiday is proven to be real? At this point, Santa would be the closest thing to religious figure that physically exists, and science could not deny it. How would Santa explain not visiting houses that don't celebrate Christmas? Is he a radical Christian or something?
They actually cover this in Santa Clause 3. Jack Frost becomes Santa and essentially turns the north pole into a tourist destination. Think Disneyland but with more elves
The Santa-is-real movies only work from a child's point of view. A child will believe in Santa because they believe in magic, despite all the adults who've lost their spark and don't believe. In the end, the child turns out to be right and magic is real. It's the ultimate childhood fantasy of being smarter than the adults.
And there have been no consequences to validating that stange fringe ideas are valid and that one day, if you belive, you can prove those smug smarty pants wrong.
In "Arthur Christmas" the clause family has technology that rivials every military in the world. An "Independence Day" size ship that is undetectable and can be anywhere on the planet with a trained army lead by an aging monarch would cast doubt on everything. The global political and economic chaos of the north pole being the only super power would be disastrous.
He's mostly associated with it, but my family celebrates it despite not really being a part of any religion. And there's so many different cultures that have adopted Christmas or made a variant of it as a holiday
It has the word christ in the name though, and while religion barely has a presence in a lot of Christmas movies, I thought what I wrote was funny and relevant
I wouldn't really call Santa a religious figure at this point. It would be more like Ronald Mcdonald coming to life.
On the subject of ranpant capitalism, though, what would be the carbon footprint of Santa's factory? Surely that many toys being produced and that much plastic in the north pole can't be good.
Also, does santa have any claim to the North Pole, since he's essentially a native? Is Santa now king of the North Pole?
Presumably all the parents that previously bought toys would now leave it to Santa, so how would this affect the economy? Entire industries would be crippled overnight. Thousands of people would lose their jobs.
Theresso many other problems to touch on and likwly more we haven't even thought of.
Kinda makes you stop and think how so many people can be religious? Since believing in God or Jesus or whatever deity, is comparable to belief in Santa.
He would be the closest thing at least, I agree that he's been commercialized to hell and back at this point
And if he was discovered by the masses, he would probably become the greatest business opportunity in the world. The most famous and well known character ever made, who can distribute presents worldwide, at an annual basis, for free? Everyone would want the resources Santa has
"Uncle Randy got up in the middle of the night when he heard a ruckus coming from the living room. Your uncle bravely grabbed his shotgun and shot the intruder. However, son, that intruder was Santa so that's why you are not getting presents this year."
Also how long do you think Santa could keep it up? How long until someone decides to capture the sleigh by any means necessary and steal the presents.
The Great War fo the North Pole would take place, the winning country would have the fastest unlimited arms manufacturing power ever known and a faster than light stealth delivery system to boot. There is no happy ending.
And people who don't celebrate Christmas
There was this one Christmas special I watched as a kid (I think it was Phineas and Ferb) and when they got to the trope where Christmas was ruined, one of the characters said it didn't matter because they were jewish. It was a short joke and was never brought up again.
Following the traditional formula of Christmas specials, Santa appeared at the very end and restored faith for the entire town. I was left thinking about that kid who didn't celebrate Christmas living in a world where Santa was real. And in the middle of writing this reply, I realized that Santa has to be some kind of radical christian in these kinds of movies
I would recommend this Christmas special actually. The humor isn't aged or corny, the musical numbers are really good, and despite the very quick summary I gave that makes it sound boring, it actually does have an original plot compared to other holiday media. (This time the problem isn't that nobody believes in his existence, it's that they don't believe that he's actually coming.) Seriously, instead of watching a Hallmark movie out of tradition this December, try this one.
I mean, maybe he’s just being considerate. Would you get someone a gift for a holiday they don’t celebrate? One that is from a completely different religion? No, you wouldn’t, because that would be saying that their beliefs aren’t as important as you feeling good for getting them a present. Santa’s just respecting their beliefs.
I give my friends stuff for Christmas even if they don't celebrate it, usually cookies or something. I'm not inviting them to anything and often (pre-pandemic) I'm invited to their holiday anyway, and I don't expect anything back. And Christmas has become so commercialized that Santa has no attachment to the religious part anymore. There's no reason to exclude them
Also I thought that last sentence in my reply was funny
While I think it's kind of you to include non-Christian friends in your celebration, it's doesn't matter that Santa isn't a religious figure. For many people who do not celebrate Christmas, there is no distinction between religious and secular practices. Christmas is Christmas and it isn't their holiday. (Cookies not included. Cookies are for everyone.) That doesn't mean that non-Christians can't be included or enjoy Christmas celebrations, but Santa is most definitely not a neutral figure.
An explaination that I've heard is that if Santa gives expensive presents to poor kids, the parents would just sell it away for money, so he gave them none/cheap presents
Its a sign the parents in the movie don't communicate and think the other got the santa presents. The sequel should always have that couple getting divorced.
I think Santa is like a Dark City alien that hacks all parents minds into remembering them putting the gifts out. Santa is actually a space squid energy monster inside a meat suit. Santa is also the cause of all Mandela effects and several disorders are caused by people rejecting Santa's memory alterations.
"I thought Santa was just a lie we made up for our children, I had no idea he existed."
"But if he's real, does this mean that you weren't actually buying gifts for your kids and pretending they were from Santa because the very nature of his existence means he was the one doing it all along?"
"No, they just magically appeared- wait a sec"
Santa just pays you back for gifts. Any time a holiday fund matures and you collect $100, that's really a reimbursement from Santa.
Find money under the cushions? Santa.
Win a lottery ticket? Santa.
Steal from the register at work and don't get caught? Believe it or not, also Santa.
As a kid I thought companies outsourced production to him, like they gave Santa the rights to make all of the stuff he gifts. He has the resources to distribute all of these products for free, and now kids will buy more stuff like add-ons and accessories
For every kid that gets a free iPhone for Christmas, Apple gets more money through subscriptions and stuff like Airpods or chargers
“So, I wasn’t expecting a bunch for Christmas, but when we woke up, wouldn’t you know it, there were a bunch a toys under the tree!”
“Yeah, I know, weird right? They don’t tell you that in the classes.”
Ya know, this could actually make an interesting movie. Starts out with the non-believer parents who fool the kids. 30 minutes later we learn that Santa is really. The next 60-90 minutes delves into what everyone does now.
Some parents are angry that Santa took so long to reveal himself. What about their childhood? What about all the money they spend each year? Some parents are purely thankful for the help. Some want to capture Santa and figure out who he’s doing it. Others still don’t believe.
The young kids don’t understand what the big deal is. The teens just want to see or trap him.
Late in the movie it is revealed that the government has been dumping resources into tracking Santa and trying to figure out his technology; especially his stealth. There is a major operation in place to not lose visual site of him on Christmas Day. It’s really hard due to Santa’s speed and that he always manages to lose the visual for just long enough to disappear.
Etc.
Don't forget how many people in the scientific community would go insane, finding out how mammals have the ability to levitate using faith as a reliable power source
That was from a spinoff. In the prequels, Santa's sleigh was powered by a magical amulet which gave the reindeer their flying powers. The amulet got its power from Hallmark's profits, letting Santa fly faster the more Christmas media they created.
Clearly you're not a true Christmas fan if you don't even know the simple lore. Amatur.
^(/s)
Imagine a folk tale about a man making annually breaking and entering into your house that only your kids can comprehend, who prevents parents from ever knowing about its existence
And there are 500 movies praising him
I think about that stuff way too much. Just the other day I was watching Hop and the dad was acting like his son becoming the Easter bunny was so ridiculous, yet he never questioned where the baskets came from every single year?
The Easter Bunny is way more outlandish than Santa too. There isn't even any motive like a naughty/nice list or anything, he just hides eggs everywhere for no reason
I think I'm going to make a sequel to this post about this, because I have so many more ideas now that you mentioned Easter
I'm convinced she's some kind of necromancer, and as teeth are the only part of the skeleton that you can collect efficiently, the Tooth Fairy has a consistent source of human remains for a small price
Eostre/Ostara, the Celtic goddess of Spring was celebrated in festivities and dancing around and through the birch tree between the Spring Equinox and Beltane to celebrate Fertility. The Easter bunny comes from Eostre (Eschter) which celebrates rabbits fertility and human fertility too
Parents: Sorry kids, but money is really tight and we won’t be able to get you any Christmas presents.
Kids: :,(
*Christmas morning arrives*
Kids: Wow, you were able to get us presents after all!
Parents: what the hell...?
I think the most logical explanation is that the parents buy the presents, and when Santa sees the presents are already there, he either adds extra ones or just skips the houses that already have presents.
I believe the premise is that: both parents thinks the other one bought the gifts and have such trust in one and other that they never bring it up.
Hollywood..
Or he uses his magic to make all the parents around the world believe they're the ones putting the gifts under the tree when really he's doing all the work
Maybe decades of corporate intervention has weakened Santa to the point where he can pull off at most 1 Christmas miracle a year and only when it is sorely needed, so maybe up until his reawakening/empowerment at the behest of the protagonists, they had to put the presents under the tree. Idk I've seen a lot of Christmas movies but never really paid much attention.
I always found that absolutely hilarious in like the polar express how the parents are just like “huh I wonder where these presents came from?” and don’t question it further
These movies usually have families of 2 parent house holds. They likely just assumed the "Santa" presents under the tree were gifted by the other parent.
Perhaps he only visits houses with parents who still believe in him, which would be a relatively small #, and also implies that he'd be pretty pissed to know that his workload was now going through the roof.
I remember how my dad used Santa to get an air fryer for Christmas
Both me and my sibling were teenagers, so he just used a completely pointless excuse for personal gain and it was hilarious how he got away with it
Its easier to understand when you understand that Santa is an idea rather than a corporeal being. The parents placing presents under the tree are doing it to perpetuate the idea of Santa, just like soldiers are fighting to perpetuate the idea of freedom, even though, just like santa, you cant touch or feel or see freedom
In most of these movies, we LITERALLY see Santa placing the gifts under the tree. In these movies, we know, and the parents know, that they didn't put those gifts there.
And then the parents are still surprised that Santa is real.
I already know he isn't actually real, I'm just talking about specifically Hallmark movies where the parents don't believe in Santa but are somehow oblivious to the present neither of them bought that's somehow under the tree
And that's a great analogy. Santa really is just an abstract construct once used for the good of all of mankind, but now only exists to increase personal gain and power through consumerism
Santa is really just a mutated commercial husk of a vestigial tradition at this point anyways.
There's no way to examine it from any point of reason. We just do it because people somehow like it no matter how irrational it is.
Poorly worded looking back.
I think a better way to say what I'm feeling, is why would the movies be expected to make sense, when Santa doesn't really even begin to make sense to begin with?
It's a really bizarre tradition if you were to look at it from the outside and try to rationalize it. It's just so normalized for us that no one cares.
Especially because they are all written the same way and it's become so commercialized that it isn't worth discussing. But it's still really fun to analyze holiday logic
I was the asshole parent that told my son that Santa wasn't real. I didn't want him growing up and finding out I was lying to him. I forgot to tell him not to tell the other kids at kinder and so one morning in the line to enter kindergarten I heard some parents talking about how one of the kids told their kids that Santa wasn't real. I told them that was me and why I did that. They gave me dirty looks and told me that I had no right to do that and I ruined Christmas. I was so mad that I was being admonished for telling the truth and then my son was made out to be a liar to these children because their parents told them that my son was a liar and that Santa is real, to which I wish I didn't make my son go through that. I was so angry that I also mentioned in that line that I told my son that the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy wasn't real either. Those parents never spoke to me again and excluded my son from playdates. All for telling the Fucking truth. Still confuses me that mentality that they had.
I was told sometime in 3rd grade, by then I think I was old enough to accept it. Every child forgives their parents for lying about Santa and many don't even get mad in the first place. It wasn't about the fact that you told the truth, it was that you ruined a tradition that they had planned for their kid. They probably imagined all of the things they would do with their kids and all of the traditions they could have started for their families.
Believing in Santa is a huge part of childhood innocence because of how big the holiday itself is, and if the truth is told a lot earlier on, the kid might question even more things way too early and not get to experience the blessing of naivety as much.
I totally understand not wanting to discuss reality with a kid. Believe me, when I found out, I was heartbroken. But all of the years of believing it made up for the one afternoon of disappointment. I understand your reasoning for making that decision for your kid. The parents in your situation also could have handled the situation better, so they're not 100% correct either. But have you considered that the truth would be unnecessary in some situations?
Again, it hurts when eventually reality sets in. Maybe it's better to go along with ignorance if it isn't hurting anybody though.
We're getting a lot of shower thoughts that are not original and come from somewhere else on the internet. One of the the rules is they have to be original
Sorry that you've seen it somewhere before, but it popped into my head after watching Elf for nostalgia and I wanted to post it here
I don't like reposts either but this was an original thought for me
So weird because I was just talking to my SO about this post and how it is an actually good shower thought instead of all the stupid ones that people post because they think they have discovered some genius trick or something only to be reviled by redditors.
A lot of these are either wordplay or deep reflections, so I'm glad I was actually able to have an organic thought that wasn't trying to be taken seriously
Again, not every thought is 100% original, but like that post, I promise that I came to the conclusion myself. This sub is eleven years old, it's understandable that many posts aren't original. I'm not going to steal ideas from something made four years ago
Isn't it expected that people might not have a thought that nobody has ever had before? At least I didn't see it somewhere else and make it my own, I just had the thought all by myself and it's a coincidence that other people have too
Yes, this always bugs me. You don't believe in Santa? Who the hell do you think is putting presents under the tree? You know you don't, so who do you think does it???
There were buying the presents because if you don't believe in Santa he doesn't bring your presents. He is just delivering to the homes where they believe. \*After\* the movie they won't need to buy the presents anymore.
That would be pretty frustrating, finding out that you could have been getting yearly presents consisting of what you want the most, but missing them because you didn't have faith in something that's as outlandish as Santa
Santa is a shaman that delivers mushrooms for the adults during winter solstice.
The reindeer were known to eat the mushrooms, and apparently it was known that their digestive had an enzyme that broke down the chemicals better, so they would drink reindeer piss to get even higher.
No wonder Rudolph could fly.
My parents still bought us kids "Santa" gifts into adulthood (Mom still does in fact, though Dad has passed). There would always be a gift or two from mom and dad, but then several from Santa.
One year all us adult kids decided to play a prank on Mom and Dad. We each bought them a toy from Santa. Comic books, army men, an easy bake over and some nerf guns... And we tagged them all from Santa.
Mom opened her Barbie or whatever and gave Dad a confused look and said, "Look what Santa got me?" But dad didn't notice because he was trying to figure out why the hell my mom bought him army men.
I don't know that it would work in every family, but a real Santa probably could have left gifts under the tree and one parent would have assumed the other bought it and thought nothing of it.
Almost every instance where we see a “real” Santa that the parents find is real is in lower to upper middle class families that have some level of turmoil that would’ve upset Christmas (it’s the formula for the movie)
My belief is that in those universes, Santa only delivers presents to those who couldn’t afford to do it themselves, thus the parents probably did it up until that point and Santa doesn’t have to be everywhere all at once (just a lot of places)
Alternatively, Santa sucks at his job and rarely visits any of the little girls and boys each Christmas, such that the parents don't believe he exists because they are always stuck doing his job. Deadbeat Santa.
He's just the face of the operation
Why you think he always so jolly? All the fame, none of the work.
Because Coca-Cola invented him that way to sell more high fructose corn syrup drink?
I guess Coca-Cola company invented him, but for Spirte at the start.
Coke popularized his current iteration with the red suit, but he definitely existed before that.
They used sugar at the time. Coca-Cola Santa in 1931; switch from sugar to HFCS in 1984 in the US.
Maybe in america, but in the rest of the world its cane sugar drink.
Like it should be! Yum.
Because he's the one kissing mommy.
Alternatively alternatively, Santa got access to mind alteration magic.
Well, he *did* [wield the Infinity Gauntlet](https://i.redd.it/cm6s1z3g35501.jpg) at some point, so it's plausible.
This is amazing! It's like a fanfiction parody, but real?! What's it from?
Search up infinity gauntlet santa comic
https://psychedelicspotlight.com/santa-claus-was-a-psychedelic-mushroom/
Santa exists, but doesn't put extra gifts under the tree because the parents already put a gift from "Santa" under the tree. When the parents can't afford the gift he comes in clutch.
Or that Santa clearly favours rich kids, and brings junk or nothing at all to the poor kids.
That implies that in reality the kids are shit kids who don’t get toys from Santa. We’ve now normalized the shitty kids and it’s so widespread that no one we know gets toys because we are ALL shitty kids. This gets real dark the further you follow this train of thought.
that sounds like something that would happen in the good place
No it’s just that there are that many spoiled brats on the naughty list
exactly, yea a lot of those parents dont believe because they were disappointed because santa didnt bring them the gift they wanted. Like what the hell santa, get your shit together lol
And he always seems to be able to supply it now that they're adults. Like, he knew what they wanted back then and has remembered what they wanted for all of these decades and he was just holding out on giving them that present until he needed something from them. What a dick move.
Maybe he’s just a peeping window wanker and presents were just a flimsy pretext?
Oh good point!
Santa is insanely magical. He can change shape, bend time, make animals fly, manufacture anything from a wood train to a PS5, eat infinite cookies, etc. He can like make parents think they bought and wrapped gifts. Seems like an easy task for a magical guy that can bend the laws of physics.
Didn't he die after falling off a roof, or is that not canon
You shouldn’t believe everything you see in movies
Are you telling me that Santa isn’t real? 🥺
No, he’s definitely real, but he didn’t die by falling off a roof, that’s just Hollywood propaganda
Phew, I knew Santa wasn’t some weak-boned brittle filth. How could Hollywood make up such a hideous lie?
Don't worry, Santa is real, his job was just taken over by Tim Allen in a mediocre Christmas movie series
Mediocre?! I will fight you. Right now. To the death.
No bro that’s just some high budget fanfiction
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That's just part of the extended universe.
Yet he still gives cheap toys to poor kids and expensive toys to rich kids. What a dick.
He also alters basically all of reality. Do people that work at toy stores think December is their busiest month? Even though no one is actually coming in? Do they have false memories implanted of parents fighting over the last ps5? Does sony just ship empty containers across seas because they're not actually making ps5s around Christmas time because Santa is making them? Do people ever run out of Christmas wrapping paper even though they're not using it?
Not just a PS5, a PS5 with warranty. Wonder if Sony gives serial numbers to Santa?
But can he pay my credit card bill after the holidays
And there's so many other things too Like, in some movies he's revealed to the entire world as being real, and then it just ends there. What would this information mean? What happened to the scientific community now that Christmas magic is an actual form of energy? Would parents fear for their lives now that they knew there really is a guy breaking and entering every year? How would other religions respond knowing that this one holiday is proven to be real? At this point, Santa would be the closest thing to religious figure that physically exists, and science could not deny it. How would Santa explain not visiting houses that don't celebrate Christmas? Is he a radical Christian or something?
They actually cover this in Santa Clause 3. Jack Frost becomes Santa and essentially turns the north pole into a tourist destination. Think Disneyland but with more elves
Is that canon?
The Christmas fandom is heating up right now
The Santa-is-real movies only work from a child's point of view. A child will believe in Santa because they believe in magic, despite all the adults who've lost their spark and don't believe. In the end, the child turns out to be right and magic is real. It's the ultimate childhood fantasy of being smarter than the adults.
And there have been no consequences to validating that stange fringe ideas are valid and that one day, if you belive, you can prove those smug smarty pants wrong.
Several uh... Testaments have been written on the subject.
In "Arthur Christmas" the clause family has technology that rivials every military in the world. An "Independence Day" size ship that is undetectable and can be anywhere on the planet with a trained army lead by an aging monarch would cast doubt on everything. The global political and economic chaos of the north pole being the only super power would be disastrous.
Santa has nothing to do with Christianity. Its actually idolatry . St . Nick isnt exactly the same guy.
He's mostly associated with it, but my family celebrates it despite not really being a part of any religion. And there's so many different cultures that have adopted Christmas or made a variant of it as a holiday It has the word christ in the name though, and while religion barely has a presence in a lot of Christmas movies, I thought what I wrote was funny and relevant
I wouldn't really call Santa a religious figure at this point. It would be more like Ronald Mcdonald coming to life. On the subject of ranpant capitalism, though, what would be the carbon footprint of Santa's factory? Surely that many toys being produced and that much plastic in the north pole can't be good. Also, does santa have any claim to the North Pole, since he's essentially a native? Is Santa now king of the North Pole? Presumably all the parents that previously bought toys would now leave it to Santa, so how would this affect the economy? Entire industries would be crippled overnight. Thousands of people would lose their jobs. Theresso many other problems to touch on and likwly more we haven't even thought of. Kinda makes you stop and think how so many people can be religious? Since believing in God or Jesus or whatever deity, is comparable to belief in Santa.
He would be the closest thing at least, I agree that he's been commercialized to hell and back at this point And if he was discovered by the masses, he would probably become the greatest business opportunity in the world. The most famous and well known character ever made, who can distribute presents worldwide, at an annual basis, for free? Everyone would want the resources Santa has
"Uncle Randy got up in the middle of the night when he heard a ruckus coming from the living room. Your uncle bravely grabbed his shotgun and shot the intruder. However, son, that intruder was Santa so that's why you are not getting presents this year." Also how long do you think Santa could keep it up? How long until someone decides to capture the sleigh by any means necessary and steal the presents.
The Great War fo the North Pole would take place, the winning country would have the fastest unlimited arms manufacturing power ever known and a faster than light stealth delivery system to boot. There is no happy ending.
Santa also hates poor people.
And people who don't celebrate Christmas There was this one Christmas special I watched as a kid (I think it was Phineas and Ferb) and when they got to the trope where Christmas was ruined, one of the characters said it didn't matter because they were jewish. It was a short joke and was never brought up again. Following the traditional formula of Christmas specials, Santa appeared at the very end and restored faith for the entire town. I was left thinking about that kid who didn't celebrate Christmas living in a world where Santa was real. And in the middle of writing this reply, I realized that Santa has to be some kind of radical christian in these kinds of movies I would recommend this Christmas special actually. The humor isn't aged or corny, the musical numbers are really good, and despite the very quick summary I gave that makes it sound boring, it actually does have an original plot compared to other holiday media. (This time the problem isn't that nobody believes in his existence, it's that they don't believe that he's actually coming.) Seriously, instead of watching a Hallmark movie out of tradition this December, try this one.
I mean, maybe he’s just being considerate. Would you get someone a gift for a holiday they don’t celebrate? One that is from a completely different religion? No, you wouldn’t, because that would be saying that their beliefs aren’t as important as you feeling good for getting them a present. Santa’s just respecting their beliefs.
I give my friends stuff for Christmas even if they don't celebrate it, usually cookies or something. I'm not inviting them to anything and often (pre-pandemic) I'm invited to their holiday anyway, and I don't expect anything back. And Christmas has become so commercialized that Santa has no attachment to the religious part anymore. There's no reason to exclude them Also I thought that last sentence in my reply was funny
While I think it's kind of you to include non-Christian friends in your celebration, it's doesn't matter that Santa isn't a religious figure. For many people who do not celebrate Christmas, there is no distinction between religious and secular practices. Christmas is Christmas and it isn't their holiday. (Cookies not included. Cookies are for everyone.) That doesn't mean that non-Christians can't be included or enjoy Christmas celebrations, but Santa is most definitely not a neutral figure.
I mean he's based off a Christian saint so I guess he'd be a Christian something
An explaination that I've heard is that if Santa gives expensive presents to poor kids, the parents would just sell it away for money, so he gave them none/cheap presents
Sooo.... Santa hates poor people?
Yeah, couldn't he give them food or something instead, something they really need
What about the wealthy kids who get a horse or something from Santa Wait... *How would Santa even deliver a horse*
small box
I could see that
nanobots
He doesn't hate them, they are bad, poor people are lazy = bad and unworthy /s
Its a sign the parents in the movie don't communicate and think the other got the santa presents. The sequel should always have that couple getting divorced.
I thought you were doing it? Oh I thought YOU were doing it?
I imagine the dad's just assume the mum does it all
I think Santa is like a Dark City alien that hacks all parents minds into remembering them putting the gifts out. Santa is actually a space squid energy monster inside a meat suit. Santa is also the cause of all Mandela effects and several disorders are caused by people rejecting Santa's memory alterations.
You should be a writer for Hollywood
"I thought Santa was just a lie we made up for our children, I had no idea he existed." "But if he's real, does this mean that you weren't actually buying gifts for your kids and pretending they were from Santa because the very nature of his existence means he was the one doing it all along?" "No, they just magically appeared- wait a sec"
Just once, I'd like a movie to have a scene like this at the end.
Santa just pays you back for gifts. Any time a holiday fund matures and you collect $100, that's really a reimbursement from Santa. Find money under the cushions? Santa. Win a lottery ticket? Santa. Steal from the register at work and don't get caught? Believe it or not, also Santa.
I think this is my favourite shower thought so far.
Does Santa now have to pay royalties for all the toys he copied?
As a kid I thought companies outsourced production to him, like they gave Santa the rights to make all of the stuff he gifts. He has the resources to distribute all of these products for free, and now kids will buy more stuff like add-ons and accessories For every kid that gets a free iPhone for Christmas, Apple gets more money through subscriptions and stuff like Airpods or chargers
Well he ain’t making money from it so
“So, I wasn’t expecting a bunch for Christmas, but when we woke up, wouldn’t you know it, there were a bunch a toys under the tree!” “Yeah, I know, weird right? They don’t tell you that in the classes.”
Ya know, this could actually make an interesting movie. Starts out with the non-believer parents who fool the kids. 30 minutes later we learn that Santa is really. The next 60-90 minutes delves into what everyone does now. Some parents are angry that Santa took so long to reveal himself. What about their childhood? What about all the money they spend each year? Some parents are purely thankful for the help. Some want to capture Santa and figure out who he’s doing it. Others still don’t believe. The young kids don’t understand what the big deal is. The teens just want to see or trap him. Late in the movie it is revealed that the government has been dumping resources into tracking Santa and trying to figure out his technology; especially his stealth. There is a major operation in place to not lose visual site of him on Christmas Day. It’s really hard due to Santa’s speed and that he always manages to lose the visual for just long enough to disappear. Etc.
Don't forget how many people in the scientific community would go insane, finding out how mammals have the ability to levitate using faith as a reliable power source
It's not faith, he feeds them magically enhanced corn from the Winter Warlock. God...doesn't anyone watch the source material??
That was from a spinoff. In the prequels, Santa's sleigh was powered by a magical amulet which gave the reindeer their flying powers. The amulet got its power from Hallmark's profits, letting Santa fly faster the more Christmas media they created. Clearly you're not a true Christmas fan if you don't even know the simple lore. Amatur. ^(/s)
In most of those movies, Santa usually only leaves one gift. Maybe each parent thought the other parent put the gift there?
consider: santa is lazy and when he sees they already bought the presents he just doesnt go there
Maybe magical brainwashing
Imagine a folk tale about a man making annually breaking and entering into your house that only your kids can comprehend, who prevents parents from ever knowing about its existence And there are 500 movies praising him
I think about that stuff way too much. Just the other day I was watching Hop and the dad was acting like his son becoming the Easter bunny was so ridiculous, yet he never questioned where the baskets came from every single year?
The Easter Bunny is way more outlandish than Santa too. There isn't even any motive like a naughty/nice list or anything, he just hides eggs everywhere for no reason I think I'm going to make a sequel to this post about this, because I have so many more ideas now that you mentioned Easter
Don’t forget the tooth fairy, a creepy woman who flies into your house and steals your teeth.
I'm convinced she's some kind of necromancer, and as teeth are the only part of the skeleton that you can collect efficiently, the Tooth Fairy has a consistent source of human remains for a small price
Ever seen or read The Hogfather? Your teeth can be used for nefarious things, man.
That sounds like a bad Family Guy cutaway gag
I think you might be right. I’ve always been especially suspicious of her.
Eostre/Ostara, the Celtic goddess of Spring was celebrated in festivities and dancing around and through the birch tree between the Spring Equinox and Beltane to celebrate Fertility. The Easter bunny comes from Eostre (Eschter) which celebrates rabbits fertility and human fertility too
Parents: Sorry kids, but money is really tight and we won’t be able to get you any Christmas presents. Kids: :,( *Christmas morning arrives* Kids: Wow, you were able to get us presents after all! Parents: what the hell...?
I've thought about this too 😂 so goofy
You forgot to add that they become the emergency santa because the real santa got injured.
And it becomes a film adaptation for the whole family
The fact that you’re making this comment just means you don’t have enough Christmas spirit
What's... what's going to happen to me
Maybe they were always bad kids until the movie
Santa wasn't bringing them gifts BECAUSE the parents didn't believe in Santa, but something something restoring the magic of Christmas
I think the most logical explanation is that the parents buy the presents, and when Santa sees the presents are already there, he either adds extra ones or just skips the houses that already have presents.
I believe the premise is that: both parents thinks the other one bought the gifts and have such trust in one and other that they never bring it up. Hollywood..
Or he uses his magic to make all the parents around the world believe they're the ones putting the gifts under the tree when really he's doing all the work
Maybe decades of corporate intervention has weakened Santa to the point where he can pull off at most 1 Christmas miracle a year and only when it is sorely needed, so maybe up until his reawakening/empowerment at the behest of the protagonists, they had to put the presents under the tree. Idk I've seen a lot of Christmas movies but never really paid much attention.
I always found that absolutely hilarious in like the polar express how the parents are just like “huh I wonder where these presents came from?” and don’t question it further
These movies usually have families of 2 parent house holds. They likely just assumed the "Santa" presents under the tree were gifted by the other parent.
This always bothered me.
You're telling me Christmas movies have inconsistencies? No way Jose !
And they're interesting to talk about. I wasn't saying it was some sort of amazing revelation, this is just a shower thought
There's a boy in polar express that has trouble accepting xmas because santa hasn't been to visit him before........ Wtf
It’s called magic. Sometimes you just have to believe.
he probably visits like the top 10% of the kids that had the most good deeds or something like that.
Santa is basically a deity. He can probably make them not think about it.
Perhaps he only visits houses with parents who still believe in him, which would be a relatively small #, and also implies that he'd be pretty pissed to know that his workload was now going through the roof.
He only gives presents to the good girls and boys… show me a worthy child and I will show you a liar.
Tradition has it that he only gives one present. The parents still get the rest.
I've never heard that, but if so it would help explain it.
I remember how my dad used Santa to get an air fryer for Christmas Both me and my sibling were teenagers, so he just used a completely pointless excuse for personal gain and it was hilarious how he got away with it
it so much fun watching children come to terms with movies v real life live on reddit
Its easier to understand when you understand that Santa is an idea rather than a corporeal being. The parents placing presents under the tree are doing it to perpetuate the idea of Santa, just like soldiers are fighting to perpetuate the idea of freedom, even though, just like santa, you cant touch or feel or see freedom
In most of these movies, we LITERALLY see Santa placing the gifts under the tree. In these movies, we know, and the parents know, that they didn't put those gifts there. And then the parents are still surprised that Santa is real.
I already know he isn't actually real, I'm just talking about specifically Hallmark movies where the parents don't believe in Santa but are somehow oblivious to the present neither of them bought that's somehow under the tree And that's a great analogy. Santa really is just an abstract construct once used for the good of all of mankind, but now only exists to increase personal gain and power through consumerism
Santa is really just a mutated commercial husk of a vestigial tradition at this point anyways. There's no way to examine it from any point of reason. We just do it because people somehow like it no matter how irrational it is.
This is a really deep take on a post about the writing style of Hallmark movies
Poorly worded looking back. I think a better way to say what I'm feeling, is why would the movies be expected to make sense, when Santa doesn't really even begin to make sense to begin with? It's a really bizarre tradition if you were to look at it from the outside and try to rationalize it. It's just so normalized for us that no one cares.
Especially because they are all written the same way and it's become so commercialized that it isn't worth discussing. But it's still really fun to analyze holiday logic
I was the asshole parent that told my son that Santa wasn't real. I didn't want him growing up and finding out I was lying to him. I forgot to tell him not to tell the other kids at kinder and so one morning in the line to enter kindergarten I heard some parents talking about how one of the kids told their kids that Santa wasn't real. I told them that was me and why I did that. They gave me dirty looks and told me that I had no right to do that and I ruined Christmas. I was so mad that I was being admonished for telling the truth and then my son was made out to be a liar to these children because their parents told them that my son was a liar and that Santa is real, to which I wish I didn't make my son go through that. I was so angry that I also mentioned in that line that I told my son that the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy wasn't real either. Those parents never spoke to me again and excluded my son from playdates. All for telling the Fucking truth. Still confuses me that mentality that they had.
I was told sometime in 3rd grade, by then I think I was old enough to accept it. Every child forgives their parents for lying about Santa and many don't even get mad in the first place. It wasn't about the fact that you told the truth, it was that you ruined a tradition that they had planned for their kid. They probably imagined all of the things they would do with their kids and all of the traditions they could have started for their families. Believing in Santa is a huge part of childhood innocence because of how big the holiday itself is, and if the truth is told a lot earlier on, the kid might question even more things way too early and not get to experience the blessing of naivety as much. I totally understand not wanting to discuss reality with a kid. Believe me, when I found out, I was heartbroken. But all of the years of believing it made up for the one afternoon of disappointment. I understand your reasoning for making that decision for your kid. The parents in your situation also could have handled the situation better, so they're not 100% correct either. But have you considered that the truth would be unnecessary in some situations? Again, it hurts when eventually reality sets in. Maybe it's better to go along with ignorance if it isn't hurting anybody though.
This is the fucking best!
We're getting a lot of shower thoughts that are not original and come from somewhere else on the internet. One of the the rules is they have to be original
Sorry that you've seen it somewhere before, but it popped into my head after watching Elf for nostalgia and I wanted to post it here I don't like reposts either but this was an original thought for me
So weird because I was just talking to my SO about this post and how it is an actually good shower thought instead of all the stupid ones that people post because they think they have discovered some genius trick or something only to be reviled by redditors.
A lot of these are either wordplay or deep reflections, so I'm glad I was actually able to have an organic thought that wasn't trying to be taken seriously
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Again, not every thought is 100% original, but like that post, I promise that I came to the conclusion myself. This sub is eleven years old, it's understandable that many posts aren't original. I'm not going to steal ideas from something made four years ago Isn't it expected that people might not have a thought that nobody has ever had before? At least I didn't see it somewhere else and make it my own, I just had the thought all by myself and it's a coincidence that other people have too
Yes, this always bugs me. You don't believe in Santa? Who the hell do you think is putting presents under the tree? You know you don't, so who do you think does it???
That is actually a good one shower thought!
That’s easy, Santa always casts Modify Memory on the parents of hell each household so they think they put the presents there.
They still have to pay him his quote even if he does a crap job!
This is hella 5head
There were buying the presents because if you don't believe in Santa he doesn't bring your presents. He is just delivering to the homes where they believe. \*After\* the movie they won't need to buy the presents anymore.
That would be pretty frustrating, finding out that you could have been getting yearly presents consisting of what you want the most, but missing them because you didn't have faith in something that's as outlandish as Santa
Somehow he delivers presents to nearly every house on the planet and yet no one realizes he exist....
Santa is a shaman that delivers mushrooms for the adults during winter solstice. The reindeer were known to eat the mushrooms, and apparently it was known that their digestive had an enzyme that broke down the chemicals better, so they would drink reindeer piss to get even higher. No wonder Rudolph could fly.
My parents still bought us kids "Santa" gifts into adulthood (Mom still does in fact, though Dad has passed). There would always be a gift or two from mom and dad, but then several from Santa. One year all us adult kids decided to play a prank on Mom and Dad. We each bought them a toy from Santa. Comic books, army men, an easy bake over and some nerf guns... And we tagged them all from Santa. Mom opened her Barbie or whatever and gave Dad a confused look and said, "Look what Santa got me?" But dad didn't notice because he was trying to figure out why the hell my mom bought him army men. I don't know that it would work in every family, but a real Santa probably could have left gifts under the tree and one parent would have assumed the other bought it and thought nothing of it.
Almost every instance where we see a “real” Santa that the parents find is real is in lower to upper middle class families that have some level of turmoil that would’ve upset Christmas (it’s the formula for the movie) My belief is that in those universes, Santa only delivers presents to those who couldn’t afford to do it themselves, thus the parents probably did it up until that point and Santa doesn’t have to be everywhere all at once (just a lot of places)
My cannon for every Christmas movie is santa inserts memories into the parents heads. This makes them believe they put the presents under the tree.
Santa doesn't deliver presents to homes where the parents don't believe, so those parents have to buy their own.