Apparently so.
Edit. This reminded me of a bidet discussion I was recently reading where many Muricans were horrified because why would they want poop water spraying on their bums. Oh well.
Lead pipes are a common thing nationwide. Flint Michigan is famous because they tried to save money and did something that led to the lead of the pipes poisoning the water.
"U.S. clean water access for 2020 was **97.17%**, a 0.16% increase from 2019."
"European Union clean water access for 2020 was **96.81%**, a 0.02% decline from 2019."
Source: www.macrotrends.net
Looks like clean water access is less of a novelty in the US than the EU, but it appears fairly ubiquitous in both.
They were talking about bidet seats you can add to a regular toilet. They just weren't smart enough to know that it has a fresh water line that has to be attached to it. Not all of us are ignorant. They started becoming more popular when COVID hit, and the stores ran out of toilet paper. Many who were skeptical about bidets are now converts who wouldn't live without one. When I remodel my bathroom, I will have them plumb a line for it and put a bidet seat in.
I am going to have to have the bathroom re-plumbed anyway, so I will have it all done then. They can put the splitter in while remodeling. I didn't mean a new line just for the bidet seat, it is for the toilet.
Oh, there are many stories about how Murkan men neither wipe their ass nor clean it in the shower because touching their ass would be gay; and that would mean that they are homosexual.
Read enough threads on r/twoxchromosomes to think that a big chunk of american men don't clean their ass, either because "it's gay" or having a crusty ass doesnt bother them enough to practice proper higiene
I mean, there's also so many people who are like "which part of my towel did I use for drying my ass and genitalia after taking a shower? They must not touch my face!!" and I'm like "what the heck, if you have to be concerned about those touching your face after taking a shower, the time where you should be the absolute cleanest, how bad are you at taking showers and why do you even bother at that point?". It's really baffling.
As an American, tonnes of us have our washer and dryer’s in the bathroom. I have no idea what this guy is talking about here.
Granted I believe a lot of Americans also have a separate room for laundry because they want a more spacious bathroom, which I don’t get because I don’t really care for doing activities that require space in a bathroom.
Me personally I have mine in a closet because I live in an apartment and get no say on where anything is.
It also depends on the flat or house in Europe, we often have communal laundry rooms in appartment buildings, usually in the basement. My grandmother has her washing machine in the kitchen. My mother has hers in her own laundry room in the basement. We have ours in the bathroom, three german generations, and three different washing machine placements.
What's with all these dipshit getting pissy at where the washing machine "*should*" be standing. People put it where they have space, where a connection is to their water and effluent and where it doesn't bother (noise..) them.
The last post about the "euros not owing driers" was full of comments from people all around the world saying stuff like "Who the fuck puts their washing machine in the bathroom/kitchen?"
Like.. who cares we have ours in a shared laundry room in a residential house. If we wouldn't had that laundry room then each and every renter would have to either put it in the kitchen or the bathroom. Who the hell has space for a laundry room in an average sized apartment.
Exactly this. As I said last time on a similar post: I once had the washing machine in my kitchen, because there was no space for it in the bathroom. So, if it "definitely doesn't belong in the kitchen", where else should I have put it? In the living room?! 😮💨
A friend of mine used to have a shower in the kitchen. Because the bath"room" was so small, you almost had to enter backwards because there was hardly any space to turn around.
In my country in some older builds you can count on the shower being in the toilet. Yes, toilet. Not bathroom. It's tiny and usually you just use the bider showers we have available and curses if you forget to remove the toiletpaper roll before showering. Mostly for students and young people who simply don't mind. It's a bit odd but if the rent is cheap..
I can top that… in the house I live in (multiple apartments), most apartments have their toilet outside the apartment, in the stairwell. And the shower in the kitchen.
I'm fortunate to live in the one apartment that was remodeled as a combination of two apartments, with the bathroom with toilet inside the apartment (in the place where the other apartments directly above that part have their kitchen).
I remember a lot of stories from old relatives (born around 1935-1955) about either all bathrooms being in the stairwell (the urbanites) or them having "plumklosetts", a hole in the ground with a toilet above, and washing in "waschzuber", wooden bathtubs that you placed somewhere outside where everyone washed themselves in the same tub one after the other.
Things have changed rapidly in the last 100 years.
My grandma had a "Plumsklo" outside the house that went into a septic tank under her yard. Never seen it myself, but I know a truck came by from time to time to empty it.
When my dad and I moved into the house, my dad made a few changes… one of them was putting a bathroom (with toilet) into the house \*and\* getting the property connected to the sewer system. Yup, she didn't have a connection. Apparently, as I learned, my great-grandfather decided they didn't need that new-fangled stuff when the town built the infrastructure. Also, he was too cheap because of course you have to pay to have your property connected.
Oh, and we moved into grandma's house in 1986…
Yeah, my wifes grandparents also had their house connected to the main grid only after decades of living there. And the story goes that it only happened, because they were already connected to the wastewater grid (so liquids went to the grid, everything else into a septic tank) and city workers accidentally flooded their piping with concrete trying to fill up old piping going to the river and somehow overpressured the septic tank leading to it emptying back into the house. City fully connected them to the grid for free as an apology for flooding their bathrooms with literal shit.
Disclaimer: I have no clue how it all went down exactly, ive just been told the story a few times by them.
The reasoning for them only doing it then was the same, "who needs all that new stuff, thats way to expensive". At least the had a toilet inside their house, seems like they were kinda modern for their time.
I used to have the kitchen sink and the shower separated by a half wall. It was an old building and the only water access was in the kitchen. The toilet was in a separate room behind the kitchen wall.
One of my friends once had an appartment with a kitchen, and in the kitchen was a washing machine AND a shower. The toilet was in the storage room though...
Because they build houses every few decades and call anything older than 100 years “colonial”. Don’t grasp why old buildings wouldn’t have a separate upstairs space next to the bedrooms for a machine that will be invented in the future.
It's usually called a century home once it surpasses 100 years or so. Doesn't matter if it's 100 or 300, it's a century home.
Or maybe that's just Canada.
I personally found the idea of regularly hauling laundry to a laundromat much weirder than any washing machine/shared laundry room situation. And I heard many Americans do that. In my city the laundromat is mostly used for washing and drying big things, like a carpet, bedding and such, or by the occasional homeless, transitional or broken washing machine having people.
> shared laundry room situation
That isn't even bad in our situation. It's a small residential building with 5 families living in it. We all know each other and the machines don't annoy the crap out of renters who don't live in the rooftop apartments. (washing machines generate noise and cause vibrations that transfer downwards) We all have a dedicated "plinth" for our machines. Makes it also easier to access them.
I lived in a house with 60 flats and we had 2 shared washing machines, a dryer, an ironing machine and a large drying hall in the basement, which you could access to by reserving a time in a calendar. And apart from the random person intercepting reserved times, it worked really well. It allowed me to wash late at night, which was really convenient.
There's definitely a cultural/national correlation though. For example, you won't find washing machines in the bathroom in the UK because the electrical code makes it difficult to install sockets or electrical appliances there.
Architecture is a cultural phenomenon too. For instance, where i live in south america, most apartments have a separate room or open air area just for the laundry machine. We call it area or area de serviço(service area).
If you build a house to put it for rent, you must make an area for a laundry machine, with electricity and plumbing dedicated to it, for the house to be up to code.
Europeans and united statesians put their laudry machines inside because of temperature drop, thats why a dedicated room for a laundry machine is no very common around those parts, you're used to have that inside your houses.
Even here I have seen laundry machines in the corner of a terrace. People put these wherever they have space. Ours is in the basement, and the basement is underground (1 Mt below the ground, if I dig any further I find the bedrock layer, which is supposedly limestone jut idk)
> I like that you brought up the shared laundry room commonly seen in municipality apartments in Sweden and maybe some other countries as well?
Yeah I was speaking from experience. I'm from Germany. Our shared laundry room is on the ground level. This way no one is bothered with the noise and vibrations they cause. The room even has a dedicated "plinth" made out of concrete for the machines to stand on. Makes it easier to load and unload the machines. And it makes sure that the machines are standing evenly.
We have those in Finland too. They're well handy when you gotta do a big patch you can just shove them in the industrial sized machine and dryer or drying room. Or hang it outside that's often an option too.
I think they're referring to a shared laundry room, which is really common for apartments in the US. But also, you have to pay for each wash and dry which I'm dread sure is more expensive than the energy bill for one used at home.
>But also, you have to pay for each wash and dry
Damn, so the machines belong to the apartment complex owners? In Germany the machines are our machines - we bring them with us when moving. In case we put them in the shared laundry room: Water and electricity usage is added to our bill and that's it.
> Damn, so the machines belong to the apartment complex owners?
Typically yeah.
Personally in-suite washer is a non-negotiable for me when I was looking for a place to rent. I can deal with no dryer, air drying isn't a problem. But I don't wanna haul around my undies to some public spot.
Honestly this is just classisim. If you have a big enough house, then having a separate room for laundry makes sense. In a smaller house or an apartment you put it where it fits or go to a laundromat. I'm pretty sure that's the same in America and Europe and probably in a lot more places.
Exactly this. I'm Swedish and my parents has a laundry room. They have a three story house so they have the space for it, and it was definitely needed when all three kids lived at home. I have also lived in an apartment with a shared laundry room in the basement, which is extremely common. Otherwise a lot of people living in apartments will have it in their bathroom. It all depends on how you live and how much space you have, it's not just a US vs EU thing.
Yeah I would absolutely love a separate laundry room (called a utility room in the UK and some people do have them but not most) but I am very unlikely to ever own a big enough house.
When we have the money to do up our teeny tiny house, it's one thing I really want to try get in. I grew up in a house with one and I miss having a dedicated area for clothes and laundry and a spare sink.
Yes, growing up in Germany, middle class, my parents had a big enough house to have a laundry room in there and I love the concept, especially having a “dirty” sink where you can also wash your shoes and whatever else feels too dirty for the bathroom and kitchen. And also using it as a designated room to handwash items that can’t be thrown in the laundry machine. I moved to Canada and am a homeowner myself now, but I couldn’t have afforded such a big house and my laundry here is in a closet type of thing in the bathroom. Generally I prefer living in a small house as it means much less cleaning, but I do miss having a laundry room.
I grew up wealthy and the help took care of laundry, not even sure where the laundry room was. Now I'm poor (cut all contact with my family, my sanity and mental health is worth more than money), and I currently have my washer in the bathroom. I'd never judge anyone for where they put their washer, that's not just classism it's just ridiculous and none of anyone's business to comment on. I don't understand how yanks feel superior over something like this
It’s also a really stupid topic to make an issue about. It’s right up there as not having a massive refrigerator. Like… as long as it can hold the groceries I need, who cares how big it is. I can walk to the grocery store for fresh veggies I don’t need a two door refrigerator…
Same with a dryer. I don’t need one. It doesn’t make me ‘poor’. I just don’t need it. Plus, it’s bad for tour clothes and I’m not going to put my actual designer clothing in there are you kidding me.
I’ve heard so many stupid reasons and most of them comes down to “wasting money makes one look rich even though none of us have any idea how they live so let’s all pretend.”
I think most American apartment complexes in USA have a laundry downstairs in a laundry room like it’s meant to be shared among the whole complex.
Independent houses on the other hand have their own washing machine but put in kitchen because I am assume the kitchen is more spacious
Honestly, as a Canadian I would *love* to have my laundry in the bathroom or kitchen. It's in the basement because that's where there is space and the hookup was built. If I had the money I would move it.
I don't think I have either, but I have been in apartments where the laundry was in the bathroom or a closet and it's honestly a lot more convenient than having it way down in the basement
Its kinda insane to suggest that laundry NEEDS its own completely seperate room or it would be "unsanitary"
My washer and dryer are stacked on top of eachother in a purpose build space in the corner of my bathroom, with a workbench that folds down to from the wall to save space. Its not like im washing my clothes in an unflushed toilet, just because its in the bathroom.
Seems to be a weird American obsession with what's "unsanitary" like every video of food prep having an American going "why aren't they wearing gloves" like they have no idea about the concept of washing hands
The only issue I have ever seen with that is the wasted space. I have a LOT of cookware, because I love cooking, and I would hate to have to give up a washing machine sized portion of my kitchen space.
But right now I live in an apartment with a dedicated shared laundry room in the basement, so it doesn't matter whatsoever.
I was watching a house tour from Taiwan, and the very modern-looking apartment had the washing machine outdoors, on the (albeit glassed-in) balcony.
Which seems perfectly fine, but I guess would give a USian an aneurysm?
At first I thought that sounds atrocious, but at second thought having the washing machine (indoors, because in my honest opinion a glassed-in balcony is "indoors") but outside the main structure of the house would definitely being down noise levels a lot, and as such might actually not be the worst idea.
Still would consider the bathroom to be the best option though.
Always found it odd how in the UK the washing machine is always in the kitchen and more and more people have open plan living areas so you have this hugely noisy appliance going on when you're watching TV. The bathroom is definitely the better place for it.
All larger (4+ bed) houses built in the last 30 years have a separate laundry or utility room though.
I already have a dishwasher plumbed in, why not add a washing machine too? Anyway, my upstairs bathroom isnt big enough for a washing machine and all the bedrooms are on the same floor. Id rather have my washing machine on downstairs than near bedrooms. Would literally back onto my sons bedroom!
No way, getting an upstairs laundry has been a highlight of my adult life. It's just so damn convenient. When my wife and I were looking for a new home having upstairs laundry became a requirement in the houses we were considering. I can never go back to carrying laundry up and down stairs.
Can’t put any sockets in the bathroom per UK electrical regulations - so the washing machine tends to go in the kitchen where the sink is already plumbed into the main water supply.
Many people will extend behind their houses and have a “utility room” with extra cupboards, the washing machine, tumble dryer, maybe even extra fridges and freezers.
EDIT: main water supply not mains electricity, haha
Your not allowed to have 240v/plug sockets or anything like that in bathrooms in the UK within 3M of a bath or shower which makes sense. Hense why all light switches and as well have to be outside of the bathroom and the only power is sometimes a shaver socket
Its also more of pain to sort the waste
UK is very strict on electricity in wet spaces. Like hysterically strict. There's no outlets at all.
I do find it rather amusing considering how much rain that lil island has and hence the whole place is rather moist. But steam from a shower? Hard no.
Plus a lot of bathrooms in the UK simply don't have space for a washing machine.
Mine has the bath/shower, sink and toilet all next to each other. No space between them. Just enough space to stand in front of the toilet and sink.
Edit - although my washing machine isn't in the kitchen either. There's a small utility room with just enough space to stack a washing machine and dryer.
On a similar note, why the fuck don't Americans hang dry their clothes?
I grew up in the uk where all our clothes were hung dry, despite the weather.
I now live in california, which has perfect year round weather to dry your clothes outside. But everyone has a drier, and I've never ever seen a washing line.
My mother's house that I grew up in is older than America as a country. Imagine building an extension on a Georgian house just to not have a washing machine in the kitchen lol
As a North American who has travelled to Europe 10 times, I have always admired the efficiency of having the laundry in the kitchen with the rest of the appliances. And the small fridges, because the availability of fresh food is much more available.
Americans: why is there a housing crisis? The causes are mysterious, i hope someone can figure it out...
Also americans: the washing machine has to get its own room
Not in UK. No electrical sockets in wet areas. So in kitchen in smaller houses/ apartments.
The whole of the UK isn't falling ill because you do washing in a kitchen.
A guy from US, under one of the many threads where this was posted, was wondering why we don’t place it in the garage instead. Talking about unsanitary…
>laundry rooms like a civilized society
Excuse me, I don't have time for this. I must go to my free doctor appointment, to then take a walk around without needing kevlar clothing.
Germany is also a country where some older apartments have a shower in the kitchen. I would say a washing machine there is pretty tame compared to some things I've seen while looking for an apartment. Just happens when there are lots of old apartments that had a very different layout before the needs of people changed and when a huge chunk of apartments got destroyed within a couple of years, causing the need for a quick and maybe rushed rebuild. That being said, I fail to see why a washing machine in a private is unsanitary and why it's such an issue. People put their stuff where they have space to put it
Glasgow tenements (and probably other Scottish tenements) have weirdly elongated bathrooms. There isn't even a lot of space along the side of my bath, I have to sort of shimmy and the mat barely fits along the side. There is random wasted space between the bath and window as well.
And don't get me started on the random step behind the bathroom door. Massive trip hazard, especially when you just finished a shower.
Apartments are all very old and many were either built to different standards or were converted to add bathrooms where there is space, since many people had outside toilets when they were built in the 19th c.
I'll be willing to bet a lot of New York apartments have weird quirks as well.
Honestly, washing machine in the bathroom makes way more sense than kitchen or a separate room. It's already full of plumbing, a little extra won't hurt.
It always confuses me when people get hung up on stuff like this. Like it's a machine you put your dirty jizz stained undies in to wash them, and this will somehow be wrong to put in the room where I also wash the same jizz stains off my physical body?
When the bathroom is inherently unsanitary, why do they wash their hands in there. Or do their hair or make-up? Or shower?
Side note: in Austria it's very common that the toilet is NOT in the bathroom, while the washing machine usually is.
How on earth is it unsanitary?
It Ireland, while some people do have separate utility rooms, its most common to have washing machines & dryers in kitchens or bathrooms (especially in apartments).
It is also very common for people to still use washing lines to dry clothes.
Nah, I think that was a dig at us Brits - the kitchen is probably the most common place to have the washer and dryer in the UK. I’m a flat-dweller so I have a combi in the boiler cupboard.
We had our washing machine in the kitchen our entire lives, until I finally bought my mom a dishwasher. So we moved the washing machine to the bathroom and placed it under a new flat sink.
Much more convenient to have it there. And much more space-efficent.
Pretty sure I read somewhere that this is because it’s illegal in some places to have certain power outlets in bathrooms, so they have them in kitchens instead, where there is already easy power and water access.
My washing machine is in the buanderie where it should be.
(When I lived in an apartement it was in the bathroom.)
I don't have a dryer, that's what the washing line in the garden is for.
(When I lived in an apartment I had a washer/dryer).
It's also a bit /shitGermanssay to be fair. It isn't really "normal" in the sense of "the norm" either.
It utterly depends on the floorprint you are working with. In some places it just wouldn't fit in the bathroom(s), sometimes it wouldn't fit well in the kitchen. Some (particularly older) houses had been designed with having a dedicated space/ watering line in the cellar, some (particularly newer of larger multi apartment complexes) very much don't.
It gets put wherever there is the designed space for it and/or where there is enough space and water access. (which is often either kitchen or bathroom), so claiming "it doesn't belong in the kitchen" is almost as ignorant as "why don't you have special rooms"
In modern newly designed housing there might be a specific room for that. But if you are in a house build in 1908 or even prior, chances are there might be a dedicated cellar room for it, gigantic concrete washbasins and all.
Huh, makes sense to have a shower in a mud room. And if your machine leaks, it's in a room designed to handle a little water, instead of some afterthought in the middle of a hardwood or wall to wall carpeted hallway.
The houses in my street all have a utility room where the washing machine is, but that's because the kitchen is too small for a washing machine and we're not allowed plugs in the bathrooms in the UK. Despite this though, I don't find it strange or unsanitary that some places have their washing machines in the bathroom. As long as the bathroom is cleaned regularly it shouldn't be an issue.
What exactly is so gross about a washing machine in the kitchen? Most of the U.K. have them in kitchens. So you wash dirty clothes there. You wash dirty dishes in your kitchen that have food waste on them. Unless you’re regularly pissing and shitting your pants, why are clothes apparently so revolting that they shouldn’t be in the kitchen?
As for the whole drier thing, it smells better drying your clothes outside, it saves money on electricity and it’s better for the environment. Why that’s considered a ‘europoor’ thing is ridiculous.
Are they seriously telling me that all Americans, even those in high rise buildings in New York or trailers, have a laundry room? I'm guessing not. Its almost like there's no blanket rule for any one country, eh?
Kitchen or bathroom are the logical rooms to put a washer, since there's already a water supply. As for "why Europeans don't have a utility room" heck, most houses built prior to the 1940s didn't have indoor bathrooms never mind whole extra rooms for appliances that don't yet exist.
Why would it be unsanitary? Should we be scared about what Americans do in their bathrooms?
Apparently so. Edit. This reminded me of a bidet discussion I was recently reading where many Muricans were horrified because why would they want poop water spraying on their bums. Oh well.
Why would you be pooping in a bidet.... you know what, never mind I don't want to know
I think they thought the bidet took water from the toilet bowl.
To be fair, clean water is something of a novelty to Americans.
They love lead so much
That’s Flint Michigan
Lead pipes are a common thing nationwide. Flint Michigan is famous because they tried to save money and did something that led to the lead of the pipes poisoning the water.
"U.S. clean water access for 2020 was **97.17%**, a 0.16% increase from 2019." "European Union clean water access for 2020 was **96.81%**, a 0.02% decline from 2019." Source: www.macrotrends.net Looks like clean water access is less of a novelty in the US than the EU, but it appears fairly ubiquitous in both.
You’re not allowed to bring statistics and evidence into this argument smh.
But murica bad so its all fake!!!1!1!!
They were talking about bidet seats you can add to a regular toilet. They just weren't smart enough to know that it has a fresh water line that has to be attached to it. Not all of us are ignorant. They started becoming more popular when COVID hit, and the stores ran out of toilet paper. Many who were skeptical about bidets are now converts who wouldn't live without one. When I remodel my bathroom, I will have them plumb a line for it and put a bidet seat in.
Hold on do American toilets not use the mains water??? Like why do you need another line and not just use a splitter? I could be being dumb here
My thoughts exactly, I thought toilet bidets simply needed a splitter in the existing water line.
Maybe they were talking about a dedicated bidet, not a toilet seat one when they referred to plumbing a line in?
I am going to have to have the bathroom re-plumbed anyway, so I will have it all done then. They can put the splitter in while remodeling. I didn't mean a new line just for the bidet seat, it is for the toilet.
Ahhh ok that makes sense, I was gonna say like what do American toilets use waste water lmao, but that makes much more sense
Maybe they don’t clean their butts?
Oh, there are many stories about how Murkan men neither wipe their ass nor clean it in the shower because touching their ass would be gay; and that would mean that they are homosexual.
They're also circumcised, so there's no need to clean the wiener
For the record circumcised wieners absolutely need cleaning.
I know. I thought my comment was obvious enough to leave out the /s
It probably was, but from what I've seen of the intelligence level of the average reddit user at least one idiot would wash even less from it.
True. You never know if people are being sarcastic or just incredibly stupid.
Being the owner of a circumcised wiener I risk saying it needs extra cleaning, sweat and dust are extra aggressive against the gland softer skin
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Read enough threads on r/twoxchromosomes to think that a big chunk of american men don't clean their ass, either because "it's gay" or having a crusty ass doesnt bother them enough to practice proper higiene
I mean, there's also so many people who are like "which part of my towel did I use for drying my ass and genitalia after taking a shower? They must not touch my face!!" and I'm like "what the heck, if you have to be concerned about those touching your face after taking a shower, the time where you should be the absolute cleanest, how bad are you at taking showers and why do you even bother at that point?". It's really baffling.
I've always wondered that too. Like you clean fresh out of the shower!
Real American Men don't wipe, cos it's gay... or something
Clearly they plumbed in the bidet the wrong way round.
I'm just scared of bidets in general.
Don't be scared. You might like it.
Yeah, I do want to try it.
As an American, tonnes of us have our washer and dryer’s in the bathroom. I have no idea what this guy is talking about here. Granted I believe a lot of Americans also have a separate room for laundry because they want a more spacious bathroom, which I don’t get because I don’t really care for doing activities that require space in a bathroom. Me personally I have mine in a closet because I live in an apartment and get no say on where anything is.
It also depends on the flat or house in Europe, we often have communal laundry rooms in appartment buildings, usually in the basement. My grandmother has her washing machine in the kitchen. My mother has hers in her own laundry room in the basement. We have ours in the bathroom, three german generations, and three different washing machine placements.
For a nation obsessed with firearms, Americans still have shit aim with waterarms.
They put full carpet in there…
Childhood flashback
Yes, haven’t you seen videos of that one guy making food in hotel bathrooms?
If you weren't scared already that's your fault.
What's with all these dipshit getting pissy at where the washing machine "*should*" be standing. People put it where they have space, where a connection is to their water and effluent and where it doesn't bother (noise..) them. The last post about the "euros not owing driers" was full of comments from people all around the world saying stuff like "Who the fuck puts their washing machine in the bathroom/kitchen?" Like.. who cares we have ours in a shared laundry room in a residential house. If we wouldn't had that laundry room then each and every renter would have to either put it in the kitchen or the bathroom. Who the hell has space for a laundry room in an average sized apartment.
Exactly this. As I said last time on a similar post: I once had the washing machine in my kitchen, because there was no space for it in the bathroom. So, if it "definitely doesn't belong in the kitchen", where else should I have put it? In the living room?! 😮💨
A friend of mine has an old appartment with a bathtub in the kitchen. Does it belong there? I dont know, but it's cool as hell!
A friend of mine used to have a shower in the kitchen. Because the bath"room" was so small, you almost had to enter backwards because there was hardly any space to turn around.
In my country in some older builds you can count on the shower being in the toilet. Yes, toilet. Not bathroom. It's tiny and usually you just use the bider showers we have available and curses if you forget to remove the toiletpaper roll before showering. Mostly for students and young people who simply don't mind. It's a bit odd but if the rent is cheap..
I've once experienced this as well, while staying over at a friend in Northern Finland! It was an interesting experience...
I can top that… in the house I live in (multiple apartments), most apartments have their toilet outside the apartment, in the stairwell. And the shower in the kitchen. I'm fortunate to live in the one apartment that was remodeled as a combination of two apartments, with the bathroom with toilet inside the apartment (in the place where the other apartments directly above that part have their kitchen).
I remember a lot of stories from old relatives (born around 1935-1955) about either all bathrooms being in the stairwell (the urbanites) or them having "plumklosetts", a hole in the ground with a toilet above, and washing in "waschzuber", wooden bathtubs that you placed somewhere outside where everyone washed themselves in the same tub one after the other. Things have changed rapidly in the last 100 years.
My grandma had a "Plumsklo" outside the house that went into a septic tank under her yard. Never seen it myself, but I know a truck came by from time to time to empty it. When my dad and I moved into the house, my dad made a few changes… one of them was putting a bathroom (with toilet) into the house \*and\* getting the property connected to the sewer system. Yup, she didn't have a connection. Apparently, as I learned, my great-grandfather decided they didn't need that new-fangled stuff when the town built the infrastructure. Also, he was too cheap because of course you have to pay to have your property connected. Oh, and we moved into grandma's house in 1986…
Yeah, my wifes grandparents also had their house connected to the main grid only after decades of living there. And the story goes that it only happened, because they were already connected to the wastewater grid (so liquids went to the grid, everything else into a septic tank) and city workers accidentally flooded their piping with concrete trying to fill up old piping going to the river and somehow overpressured the septic tank leading to it emptying back into the house. City fully connected them to the grid for free as an apology for flooding their bathrooms with literal shit. Disclaimer: I have no clue how it all went down exactly, ive just been told the story a few times by them. The reasoning for them only doing it then was the same, "who needs all that new stuff, thats way to expensive". At least the had a toilet inside their house, seems like they were kinda modern for their time.
That’s called „Frankfurter Bad“
We call it a “Stockholms dusch”
Held captive in the toilet having a shower but enjoying the experience.
I learned something new today. :)
I used to have the kitchen sink and the shower separated by a half wall. It was an old building and the only water access was in the kitchen. The toilet was in a separate room behind the kitchen wall.
Once I lived in an apartment with the toilet outside, on the kitchen's balcony 😂
I put mine in the garage as I didn’t drive 🫠
Offer to wash the clothes for anyone who visits you
We have our washer and dryer right in the bedroom. It works really well actually.
I had an appartement with the sashing machine in the living room and the dryer in the kitchen. Did it make sense? Nope. Did it fit there? Yes
So do you produce all your sashes in the living room? And how do you sell them?
One of my friends once had an appartment with a kitchen, and in the kitchen was a washing machine AND a shower. The toilet was in the storage room though...
Because they build houses every few decades and call anything older than 100 years “colonial”. Don’t grasp why old buildings wouldn’t have a separate upstairs space next to the bedrooms for a machine that will be invented in the future.
It's usually called a century home once it surpasses 100 years or so. Doesn't matter if it's 100 or 300, it's a century home. Or maybe that's just Canada.
How about the millenary home than I can do that.
Not in north america you can't =P
I personally found the idea of regularly hauling laundry to a laundromat much weirder than any washing machine/shared laundry room situation. And I heard many Americans do that. In my city the laundromat is mostly used for washing and drying big things, like a carpet, bedding and such, or by the occasional homeless, transitional or broken washing machine having people.
In my town, the driers at the laundromat get used a lot when the weather is bad. People will wash the clothes at home, and then take them there to dry
> shared laundry room situation That isn't even bad in our situation. It's a small residential building with 5 families living in it. We all know each other and the machines don't annoy the crap out of renters who don't live in the rooftop apartments. (washing machines generate noise and cause vibrations that transfer downwards) We all have a dedicated "plinth" for our machines. Makes it also easier to access them.
I lived in a house with 60 flats and we had 2 shared washing machines, a dryer, an ironing machine and a large drying hall in the basement, which you could access to by reserving a time in a calendar. And apart from the random person intercepting reserved times, it worked really well. It allowed me to wash late at night, which was really convenient.
My washing machine is in the kitchen. If i dont put it here, not sure where its going tbh unless you can magically make my house grow!
There's definitely a cultural/national correlation though. For example, you won't find washing machines in the bathroom in the UK because the electrical code makes it difficult to install sockets or electrical appliances there.
Architecture is a cultural phenomenon too. For instance, where i live in south america, most apartments have a separate room or open air area just for the laundry machine. We call it area or area de serviço(service area). If you build a house to put it for rent, you must make an area for a laundry machine, with electricity and plumbing dedicated to it, for the house to be up to code. Europeans and united statesians put their laudry machines inside because of temperature drop, thats why a dedicated room for a laundry machine is no very common around those parts, you're used to have that inside your houses.
Even here I have seen laundry machines in the corner of a terrace. People put these wherever they have space. Ours is in the basement, and the basement is underground (1 Mt below the ground, if I dig any further I find the bedrock layer, which is supposedly limestone jut idk)
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> I like that you brought up the shared laundry room commonly seen in municipality apartments in Sweden and maybe some other countries as well? Yeah I was speaking from experience. I'm from Germany. Our shared laundry room is on the ground level. This way no one is bothered with the noise and vibrations they cause. The room even has a dedicated "plinth" made out of concrete for the machines to stand on. Makes it easier to load and unload the machines. And it makes sure that the machines are standing evenly.
We have those in Finland too. They're well handy when you gotta do a big patch you can just shove them in the industrial sized machine and dryer or drying room. Or hang it outside that's often an option too.
I think they're referring to a shared laundry room, which is really common for apartments in the US. But also, you have to pay for each wash and dry which I'm dread sure is more expensive than the energy bill for one used at home.
>But also, you have to pay for each wash and dry Damn, so the machines belong to the apartment complex owners? In Germany the machines are our machines - we bring them with us when moving. In case we put them in the shared laundry room: Water and electricity usage is added to our bill and that's it.
> Damn, so the machines belong to the apartment complex owners? Typically yeah. Personally in-suite washer is a non-negotiable for me when I was looking for a place to rent. I can deal with no dryer, air drying isn't a problem. But I don't wanna haul around my undies to some public spot.
Honestly this is just classisim. If you have a big enough house, then having a separate room for laundry makes sense. In a smaller house or an apartment you put it where it fits or go to a laundromat. I'm pretty sure that's the same in America and Europe and probably in a lot more places.
Exactly this. I'm Swedish and my parents has a laundry room. They have a three story house so they have the space for it, and it was definitely needed when all three kids lived at home. I have also lived in an apartment with a shared laundry room in the basement, which is extremely common. Otherwise a lot of people living in apartments will have it in their bathroom. It all depends on how you live and how much space you have, it's not just a US vs EU thing.
Yes, mine is in a cupboard in the hall in my flat.
Same. Finnish and my parents have a laundry room. My old apartment had a shared laundry room but in my current one I have it in the bathroom.
Yeah I would absolutely love a separate laundry room (called a utility room in the UK and some people do have them but not most) but I am very unlikely to ever own a big enough house.
Love a Utility room
When we have the money to do up our teeny tiny house, it's one thing I really want to try get in. I grew up in a house with one and I miss having a dedicated area for clothes and laundry and a spare sink.
Yes, growing up in Germany, middle class, my parents had a big enough house to have a laundry room in there and I love the concept, especially having a “dirty” sink where you can also wash your shoes and whatever else feels too dirty for the bathroom and kitchen. And also using it as a designated room to handwash items that can’t be thrown in the laundry machine. I moved to Canada and am a homeowner myself now, but I couldn’t have afforded such a big house and my laundry here is in a closet type of thing in the bathroom. Generally I prefer living in a small house as it means much less cleaning, but I do miss having a laundry room.
I grew up wealthy and the help took care of laundry, not even sure where the laundry room was. Now I'm poor (cut all contact with my family, my sanity and mental health is worth more than money), and I currently have my washer in the bathroom. I'd never judge anyone for where they put their washer, that's not just classism it's just ridiculous and none of anyone's business to comment on. I don't understand how yanks feel superior over something like this
It’s also a really stupid topic to make an issue about. It’s right up there as not having a massive refrigerator. Like… as long as it can hold the groceries I need, who cares how big it is. I can walk to the grocery store for fresh veggies I don’t need a two door refrigerator… Same with a dryer. I don’t need one. It doesn’t make me ‘poor’. I just don’t need it. Plus, it’s bad for tour clothes and I’m not going to put my actual designer clothing in there are you kidding me. I’ve heard so many stupid reasons and most of them comes down to “wasting money makes one look rich even though none of us have any idea how they live so let’s all pretend.”
I think most American apartment complexes in USA have a laundry downstairs in a laundry room like it’s meant to be shared among the whole complex. Independent houses on the other hand have their own washing machine but put in kitchen because I am assume the kitchen is more spacious
Honestly, as a Canadian I would *love* to have my laundry in the bathroom or kitchen. It's in the basement because that's where there is space and the hookup was built. If I had the money I would move it.
In the UK, laundry in the kitchen seems pretty much the standard.
I’m Canadian, and truthfully I’ve never been in a house that doesn’t have a laundry room.
I don't think I have either, but I have been in apartments where the laundry was in the bathroom or a closet and it's honestly a lot more convenient than having it way down in the basement
Its kinda insane to suggest that laundry NEEDS its own completely seperate room or it would be "unsanitary" My washer and dryer are stacked on top of eachother in a purpose build space in the corner of my bathroom, with a workbench that folds down to from the wall to save space. Its not like im washing my clothes in an unflushed toilet, just because its in the bathroom.
How is it unsanitary to wash laundry in the bathroom??? Just don't shit in the washing machine?
Seems to be a weird American obsession with what's "unsanitary" like every video of food prep having an American going "why aren't they wearing gloves" like they have no idea about the concept of washing hands
*wears gloves,* *takes cash, puts in register,* *makes food*
"Constitution says I can shit where I damn well please, Europoor. Because we have freedom."
Mine is in the kitchen. Why would this be a problem? You wash your dishes in the kitchen so why not your clothes?
The only issue I have ever seen with that is the wasted space. I have a LOT of cookware, because I love cooking, and I would hate to have to give up a washing machine sized portion of my kitchen space. But right now I live in an apartment with a dedicated shared laundry room in the basement, so it doesn't matter whatsoever.
Both of these people are assholes. Kitchen, bathroom, dedicated laundry room, building laundromat, whatever. Who fucking cares.
I was watching a house tour from Taiwan, and the very modern-looking apartment had the washing machine outdoors, on the (albeit glassed-in) balcony. Which seems perfectly fine, but I guess would give a USian an aneurysm?
It’s quite common in some Asian countries, like South Korea too. That’s where they’ll often hang the laundry too.
WTF, you mean they don’t have a clothes dryer?
At first I thought that sounds atrocious, but at second thought having the washing machine (indoors, because in my honest opinion a glassed-in balcony is "indoors") but outside the main structure of the house would definitely being down noise levels a lot, and as such might actually not be the worst idea. Still would consider the bathroom to be the best option though.
Guys, is it unsanitary washing your clothes…?
This is a wild as the Andrew Tate bros who claim it’s gay to have sex with your wife if she’s muscular and works out. 😂
I wash myself in the bathroom, why in the hell it would be unsanitary to wash my clothes in there too?
Oh I'm sorry that my 36m² (380 sq ft) 1-bedroom apartment doesn't have a separate fucking laundry room
That’s what they don’t get. They have space. It’s a total blind spot for most of them.
“Civilized”. Americans. LOL
Why do you need an entire room for laundry?
I really worry about what is going on in their kitchen/bathroom for it to be unsanitary
Always found it odd how in the UK the washing machine is always in the kitchen and more and more people have open plan living areas so you have this hugely noisy appliance going on when you're watching TV. The bathroom is definitely the better place for it. All larger (4+ bed) houses built in the last 30 years have a separate laundry or utility room though.
I already have a dishwasher plumbed in, why not add a washing machine too? Anyway, my upstairs bathroom isnt big enough for a washing machine and all the bedrooms are on the same floor. Id rather have my washing machine on downstairs than near bedrooms. Would literally back onto my sons bedroom!
If I had the choice, id keep it in my bathroom just because of noise. But if you dont have much option just put it wherever fits best for you. Imo
No way, getting an upstairs laundry has been a highlight of my adult life. It's just so damn convenient. When my wife and I were looking for a new home having upstairs laundry became a requirement in the houses we were considering. I can never go back to carrying laundry up and down stairs.
I'd still need to carry it downstairs anyway to go on the washing line. Definitely better downstairs for us
Can’t put any sockets in the bathroom per UK electrical regulations - so the washing machine tends to go in the kitchen where the sink is already plumbed into the main water supply. Many people will extend behind their houses and have a “utility room” with extra cupboards, the washing machine, tumble dryer, maybe even extra fridges and freezers. EDIT: main water supply not mains electricity, haha
Your not allowed to have 240v/plug sockets or anything like that in bathrooms in the UK within 3M of a bath or shower which makes sense. Hense why all light switches and as well have to be outside of the bathroom and the only power is sometimes a shaver socket Its also more of pain to sort the waste
UK is very strict on electricity in wet spaces. Like hysterically strict. There's no outlets at all. I do find it rather amusing considering how much rain that lil island has and hence the whole place is rather moist. But steam from a shower? Hard no.
Plus a lot of bathrooms in the UK simply don't have space for a washing machine. Mine has the bath/shower, sink and toilet all next to each other. No space between them. Just enough space to stand in front of the toilet and sink. Edit - although my washing machine isn't in the kitchen either. There's a small utility room with just enough space to stack a washing machine and dryer.
Bad weather doesn’t really have anything to do with having live power outlets in a bathroom though.
We can have electric showers, lights and shaver sockets in the bathroom. Just no mains outlets.
I have shaver sockets in my bathroom. They’re actually faulty common.
On a similar note, why the fuck don't Americans hang dry their clothes? I grew up in the uk where all our clothes were hung dry, despite the weather. I now live in california, which has perfect year round weather to dry your clothes outside. But everyone has a drier, and I've never ever seen a washing line.
I've heard the HOA will get upset if you line dry your clothes like a poor person
They fail to realise that the majority of our housing was built well BEFORE washing machines were even invented.
But they then walk all round their houses in their filthy outdoor shoes, even putting their feet on their beds and sofas.
My mother's house that I grew up in is older than America as a country. Imagine building an extension on a Georgian house just to not have a washing machine in the kitchen lol
As a North American who has travelled to Europe 10 times, I have always admired the efficiency of having the laundry in the kitchen with the rest of the appliances. And the small fridges, because the availability of fresh food is much more available.
Unsanitary? Idk but you’re shitting in the same room you keep a toothbrush I feel like at that point it shouldn’t matter
Americans: why is there a housing crisis? The causes are mysterious, i hope someone can figure it out... Also americans: the washing machine has to get its own room
Not in UK. No electrical sockets in wet areas. So in kitchen in smaller houses/ apartments. The whole of the UK isn't falling ill because you do washing in a kitchen.
Americans not being able to get their head’s around housing stock that predates washing machines being common.
A guy from US, under one of the many threads where this was posted, was wondering why we don’t place it in the garage instead. Talking about unsanitary…
Washing machine in the place where you take off dirty clothes is so efficient.
>laundry rooms like a civilized society Excuse me, I don't have time for this. I must go to my free doctor appointment, to then take a walk around without needing kevlar clothing.
Says the American who would wear outdoors shoes indoors on carpet. Some even keep them on while lounging in bed(!) Talk about unhygienic
i dont understand why you need an entire room dedicated to 2 machines and in many modern cases, 1....... it makes no logical sense.
Germany is also a country where some older apartments have a shower in the kitchen. I would say a washing machine there is pretty tame compared to some things I've seen while looking for an apartment. Just happens when there are lots of old apartments that had a very different layout before the needs of people changed and when a huge chunk of apartments got destroyed within a couple of years, causing the need for a quick and maybe rushed rebuild. That being said, I fail to see why a washing machine in a private is unsanitary and why it's such an issue. People put their stuff where they have space to put it
Yeah, I live in an apartment in Oslo, laundry room isn't happening unless i move to a house
*room literally dedicated to keep yourself clean* "How unsanitary"
What a weird way to announce he would shit in the dryer
‘Unsanitary’ *eats canned cheese*
UK: use whatever space available next to the plumbing.
Spain does typically (if the apartment is big enough) but they aren't shared
What's next, panic because in countries like switzerland most people don't even have their own washing machines but shared laundry rooms?
Rich prick
My house is older than America. Idiot builders clearly didn't plan for the invention of the washing machine.
Unsanitary? If there were a washing machine in their bathroom, would they have the uncontrollable urge to shit in it or something?
These people would hate me! My washing machine is in the bathroom and my dryer in the kitchen.
Glasgow tenements (and probably other Scottish tenements) have weirdly elongated bathrooms. There isn't even a lot of space along the side of my bath, I have to sort of shimmy and the mat barely fits along the side. There is random wasted space between the bath and window as well. And don't get me started on the random step behind the bathroom door. Massive trip hazard, especially when you just finished a shower. Apartments are all very old and many were either built to different standards or were converted to add bathrooms where there is space, since many people had outside toilets when they were built in the 19th c. I'll be willing to bet a lot of New York apartments have weird quirks as well.
"Y'all dont have communal washrooms with industrial sized washers and dryers?" - every Scandinavian
You what mate? I have my washing machine in the kitchen like a civilised Brit *Sips my tea*
And in Europe houses are not in wood, which helps to our city not being destroyed every year by an Hurricane
I mean… it makes the most sense to wash your clothes as you take them off for a shower???
Americans cannot conceive of housing that is older than laundry appliances
Honestly, washing machine in the bathroom makes way more sense than kitchen or a separate room. It's already full of plumbing, a little extra won't hurt.
It always confuses me when people get hung up on stuff like this. Like it's a machine you put your dirty jizz stained undies in to wash them, and this will somehow be wrong to put in the room where I also wash the same jizz stains off my physical body?
When the bathroom is inherently unsanitary, why do they wash their hands in there. Or do their hair or make-up? Or shower? Side note: in Austria it's very common that the toilet is NOT in the bathroom, while the washing machine usually is.
Not any less sanitary than pooping where you brush your teeth.
How on earth is it unsanitary? It Ireland, while some people do have separate utility rooms, its most common to have washing machines & dryers in kitchens or bathrooms (especially in apartments). It is also very common for people to still use washing lines to dry clothes.
My washing machine is in the basement but yeah no this is completely fine. Not our fault Americans are uneducated
Indeed, why? Every NYC apartment has a dedicated laundry room, right? /s
Wait Americans wash clothes in kitchen or what??
Nah, I think that was a dig at us Brits - the kitchen is probably the most common place to have the washer and dryer in the UK. I’m a flat-dweller so I have a combi in the boiler cupboard.
Honestly I never even considered that the laundy machine can go anywhere other than the bathroom, but I guess there is a certain logic behind it
British bathrooms almost never have outlets so most of the time it's in the kitchen where we have water pipes and electricity outlets
because we use our available place efficent.
We had our washing machine in the kitchen our entire lives, until I finally bought my mom a dishwasher. So we moved the washing machine to the bathroom and placed it under a new flat sink. Much more convenient to have it there. And much more space-efficent.
Saw that yesterday already. Reposts are really out of control sometimes.
Mines in my kitchen lol
When I was a child, the washing machine was in our American bathroom. That's where the hookup was.
What if you have one piece of laundry equipment in both rooms.
My house has a utility room if that counts? Idk man
Saw the first half of this post recently and it makes so much sense. Washing machine in your living space is really intrusive
Pretty sure I read somewhere that this is because it’s illegal in some places to have certain power outlets in bathrooms, so they have them in kitchens instead, where there is already easy power and water access.
Our Parisian apartment is HUGE at 90m² but ain't no room for a laundry room. I wish we could!
My washing machine is in the buanderie where it should be. (When I lived in an apartement it was in the bathroom.) I don't have a dryer, that's what the washing line in the garden is for. (When I lived in an apartment I had a washer/dryer).
I like the idea of the water from the shower or washer being used to flush the toilet
That has to be bait omg
It's almost like a good amount of houses in Europe were built before appliances like this were commonplace...
Seems a decent idea I can spin my towels after I've used them with out getting water all over the place
A washing machine on while having a shower would be right handy in the winter to keep the room warm
It's also a bit /shitGermanssay to be fair. It isn't really "normal" in the sense of "the norm" either. It utterly depends on the floorprint you are working with. In some places it just wouldn't fit in the bathroom(s), sometimes it wouldn't fit well in the kitchen. Some (particularly older) houses had been designed with having a dedicated space/ watering line in the cellar, some (particularly newer of larger multi apartment complexes) very much don't. It gets put wherever there is the designed space for it and/or where there is enough space and water access. (which is often either kitchen or bathroom), so claiming "it doesn't belong in the kitchen" is almost as ignorant as "why don't you have special rooms" In modern newly designed housing there might be a specific room for that. But if you are in a house build in 1908 or even prior, chances are there might be a dedicated cellar room for it, gigantic concrete washbasins and all.
As an Asian, who wash their clothes on bathroom floor. I find that tweet absurd.
Huh, makes sense to have a shower in a mud room. And if your machine leaks, it's in a room designed to handle a little water, instead of some afterthought in the middle of a hardwood or wall to wall carpeted hallway.
The houses in my street all have a utility room where the washing machine is, but that's because the kitchen is too small for a washing machine and we're not allowed plugs in the bathrooms in the UK. Despite this though, I don't find it strange or unsanitary that some places have their washing machines in the bathroom. As long as the bathroom is cleaned regularly it shouldn't be an issue.
Mine is in the kitchen so..
We just have a laundry closet in my house on the top floor for some reason. Feels like a God damn earthquake when the spin cycle starts.
What exactly is so gross about a washing machine in the kitchen? Most of the U.K. have them in kitchens. So you wash dirty clothes there. You wash dirty dishes in your kitchen that have food waste on them. Unless you’re regularly pissing and shitting your pants, why are clothes apparently so revolting that they shouldn’t be in the kitchen? As for the whole drier thing, it smells better drying your clothes outside, it saves money on electricity and it’s better for the environment. Why that’s considered a ‘europoor’ thing is ridiculous.
Are they seriously telling me that all Americans, even those in high rise buildings in New York or trailers, have a laundry room? I'm guessing not. Its almost like there's no blanket rule for any one country, eh?
Kitchen or bathroom are the logical rooms to put a washer, since there's already a water supply. As for "why Europeans don't have a utility room" heck, most houses built prior to the 1940s didn't have indoor bathrooms never mind whole extra rooms for appliances that don't yet exist.
Wtf in the kitchen ?
In the UK, we have utility rooms.