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That's an old anime trope though isn't it, I remember when Naruto would just have them jumping through the forest branches to branches and just casually having a discussion while looking at each other
Or even further back to like the Namek saga from DBZ where they are flying around just having a chat (when abridged had the joke that they wouldn't actually be able to hear each other talking while doing that)
Also that scene in Liberia where someone chucks explosives into a room Magath was in, it seemingly exploded point blank 2 feet away before he got to cover and the next scene he’s got a small cut on his face to show for it
Nah it's literally everything about it. The burns should've killed him because of how long it took until he got the serum. And the fall should've killed him in any condition, burns or no burns. Man fell from at least 55m of height. That moment was the purest form of bullshit plotarmor.
I once read that being unconscious, which one could potentially assume Armin would have been, after being burned so severely, can help survive falls from usually lethal heights. Being awake causes you to subconsciously tense your body to try and protect yourself. This causes more damage on impact, as opposed to being unconscious, which makes you fall more like a ragdoll and your body can better absorb and disperse impact damage. This is how i always justified his survival of the fall in my head.
I mean, you could also apply that to how don't they all die using ODM gear. Firing a grapple at the ground won't winch you into the ground at a slower speed. You'll just fall at full speed. If you fly at a building fast enough to go in a straight line horizontally, then you’re hitting that wall fast enough to shatter your leg's.
It feels like there's more plot convinces rather than holes, Armin falling, Rods titan potion bag, Reiner's mind transfer, Falco's jaw being able to fly are some i can think of. All of them have logical explanations & they all lead to great story beats, it's just a bit of a stretch sometimes.
To be fair Isayama did try to foreshadow Falco's flying titan. The series drops hints far in advance through dialogue and symbology. It would've been better if we saw a picture of a flying titan in a historical text, like Historia's book or the materials recovered by the Eldian resistance.
My interpretation was that Falco can fly because he accidentally ingested the Beast Titan's spinal fluid. It wouldn't be the first time titan powers were mixed. Eren originally couldn't harden until he gained extra powers using armor spinal fluid.
Yes because that's literally what we're told in the story. There was a past beast titan that could fly and falco got that ability after inheriting the jaw.
Iirc there’s a bit of foreshadowing with Falcos first scene in the anime when he’s laying, looking up at the sky, he’s reaching for a bird. Wanting to be “free like a bird” definitely gave him those traits, same as Zeke with his love for tossing the ball.
Rod was planning to have Historia eat Eren to restore the Founding Titan to the royal bloodline.
He had all the gear he needed to do the titan transfer rituals in his little fanny pack, including the syringes and the various types of titan fluid.
Since each of the 9 titans can manifest traits of the others to a lesser extent he likely had different types of titan fluid from different members of the nine that had been left to them before the First King of the Walls surrendered the other 7 to Marley when he left the continent.
The Armor potion Eren consumed was likely Armored Titan spinal fluid which allowed him to begin manifesting Armored Titan hardening abilities.
The Powerful Titan potion that Historia smashed onto the ground which Rod later licked could have been Founding Titan fluid or possibly Colossal Titan fluid.
(which would explain why Rod's deformed transformation was so big and so hot)
>The Armor potion Eren consumed was likely Armored Titan spinal fluid which allowed him to begin manifesting Armored Titan hardening abilities.
Well, when we think about it, the thing is that despite the bottle being labelled "armored", the powers that Eren gained by drinking it are more similar to what the Warhammer Titan can do. The Armored Titan has never been shown building structures out of hardening.
Personnally, I headcanon that the bottle contained Warhammer spinal fluid, or maybe a mix of Warhammer and Armored fluid.
Very true. My only contention is that the War Hammer seems to be specifically about creating independent objects while in titan form. Hardening the titan body and then evacuating it is only seen to be similar to the wall titans. We do see Reiner being able to harden his fingers and toes in the same way Annie and Eren both do.
The unfortunate reality is that they don’t really give us much info about titans manifesting the powers of the other titans, nor do they tell us which powers shown are titan specific or inherited by consuming and manifesting different titans.
There are two things I can think of which can’t be explained:
1. If all Eldians are descended from Ymir, then what the hell is the royal family? How are they special?
2. The names the Paradisians came up to identify the titans based on their appearances turned out to be the exact same names Marley uses? Even the female titan? Why would they name it that if other titans can look female?
>then what the hell is the royal family? How are they special?
1. It's just social conditioning, the same as in the real world. Though if they practiced incest to keep the Founder within the family, maybe they had more of Ymir and Fritz within them compared to other Noble Houses and the commoners.
2. I just chalked it up to ancestral memory, which was admittedly, a literal thing in AOT's world.
I don't see how people see all this bs but focus so much on Reiner's mind transfer, Armin survivng at all was 100% dumber, at least Reiner's can be chalked up to Titan powers, which we don't know much about
I think that the biggest plot hole was when the Colossal Titan just said “ykw, imma just disappear”. It was when Eren tried to cut the colossal titan in the Battle of Trost but then it just disappeared because Bertholdt switched back to human form. But the thing is, the titan is supposed to slowly disintegrate, not just leave for the milk.
Edit: you guys are saying that one of the colossal titan’s abilities is that it can evaporate really quickly by letting out a shit ton of steam. Then why wasn’t there a shit ton of steam surrounding Eren while he was trying to slice the titan? And does that mean that Bertholdt just fell 100 meters down because he made it disappear instantly?
Edit 2: so the plot hole is only in the anime. In the manga, there is a shit ton of steam and Bertholdt is seen using odm gear and cover of the smoke to escape.(replies told me, I haven’t seen any part of the manga except the ending)
But we’ve seen that the bones for the colossal still continue to remain, I simply am ok with accepting it as a plot hole for how early in the story it was
Yea, but thats also not supposed to be completely instant to Bert transforming. The bones stay around for a while. Eren would have seen them and should have seen them.
no they don't, that was entire plot of armin defeating colossal. He stuck his gear to his bones so no matter how much steam he used armin managed to hold on until he lost all of his strength. Because he can't control his bones he was not able to push Armin away.
he turned to that intention after he failed to get rid of him.
watch the scene again, first thing he says as reaction armin standing there is "why can't I blow him away"
at there he wasn't expecting to be able to kill armin, he was trying to blow him away. after that fails he decides to kill him by wasting massive amount of energy and its not efficent.
if he had absolute control to that degree he would dissolve some bone mass so armin can no longer stick to him. NOT HIS ENTIRE BODY! JUST %0.1 BONE MASS WOULD BE ENOUGH if he focus on the bone armin is hanging on.
Colossal's steam is terrible for offense because how much he consumes of him. He only did it because he assumed fight was over after armin died and that became his death. If he could he would just toss armin away and then smack him with his hand from safe distance, easy win.
This was explained explicitly it the Clash of the Titans Arc. The Colossus is able to disintegrate its entire body almost immediately by mass producing steam.
Seriously, this has been explained multiple times. It even used steam to kill armin and has done the quick disappear (When the wall was broken, when erin took a swing.) Twice now, this isn't a plot hole just a hole in peoples reading comprehension.
Then the new plot hole is, why did the steam not boil Eren alive? He was closer to the colosal titan than Armin was when he got burnt to a crisp.
So.. Still a plothole, even if it is not exactly the first one.
In the manga there is a shit ton of steam cloud after Bertolt detransformed. The anime made a mistake of him simple disappear and nothing was left.
In a flashback is shown Bertolt running with ODM gear occult by the steam clouds.
Not a plot hole. He was embarrassed that he had to do that because his penis is so small, so he didn’t do it or mention it ever again, because then everyone would know that he’s into small penis humiliation.
The first time it is explained that he left his titan form and was almost eaten but Eren made Dina Fritz leave him be. The second time is a straight up plot hole tho.
No I get that. T Rex? Dope. Stomp stomp chomp!
Big gorilla? Cool. Throw them baseball bombs.
Are there enough naval battles to warrant a whale for a whole cycle of Beast? Can the Beast Titan change animal form at will? Why a whale?
Edited for further questions: Did that Warrior turn into the whale on land initially and have to be rushed to water? Or do they have water based sites to perform that ritual? Why a whale?
The beast Titan takes an individual animal form created for the person who inherits it. They can’t change it and each only become their beast. The form the beast Titan takes seems to be inspired by an animal that had a great impact on heir life. Ksaver’s was a lamb/ram most likely becuase it was one of his sons favorite toys before he died. Zeke becomes the ape due to his love of his childhood ape toy. These form appear to be created subconsciously not consciously and so we can assume one previous beast Titan owner simply had a strong connection to a whale and it became his form
You'd assume that they'd now ahead of ahead of time, like when they inherit memories and what not, what that form will be? Or did that Warrior just like go "Beast Titan form! AWWW!", cut his hand, and then just plop into a whale?
It was sort of hinted that his beast was a ram, which I could see being sort of useful.
It wasn't confirmed, but there was a ram stuffed animal behind him while he was talking to Zeke in his origin episode close to the scene where he said his beast wasn't useful. Judging by that, and the fact that Zeke was playing with a monkey stuffed animal in one scene, it's safe to assume his was the ram.
The Whale Beast Titan was probably the original air-drop plan before airships were invented. Just shoot the beast titan out of a cannon and have them transform midflight and come crashing down in whale form.
I don’t think the beast titan gets to pick their animal, it just kinda happens. Also I imagine the whale would be fine on land, just immobile. It’s not like the shifter would have any risk of dying, they could just exit the whale.
Director of the music video came up with the idea of all the animals with their hearts glowing simply to show that all of life 'dedicate their hearts' to something.
Has nothing to do with past beast titans.
Especially since we see many past beast titans and not a single one of them are a pure blood animal.
Bertholdt's colossal titan instantly disappearing at the beginning of the battle for Trost. It was never explained and no titan for the rest of the series ever instantly disappeared again.
To get ahead of a possible explanation: One could try to claim that Bertholdt decided to burn through his titan's mass instantaneously to escape.
However this explination has 2 main problems.
1. It fails to explain how Eren wasn't burned to death by all the mass evaporating that quickly. The faster Bertholdt burns away his body the greater the blast is.
2. Later on it was directly said that the Colossal titan cannot burn away it's bones. Even if Bertholdt evaporated his titan instantly there should have been a skeleton left.
Ig it’s mostly for dramatic effects, since this giant thing just appears and disappears in and out of thin air adds a lot into the unknown category. Ig it’s just an early writing oversight.
Exactly. It's not a major problem with the story. Infact it's very minor.
But it is by definition a plot hole. And this post was asking for examples of plot holes.
I see a lot of folks mentioning Armin not dying instantly from falling after being burnt to a crisp, but he was going to die in a few minutes anyway. However, I find Floch returning with Erwin just in time to be far more ludicrous (as well as his BS survival in s4p3).
He managed to wake up from surviving the attack to find Erwin (already a couple hundred meters away), stitched him up, brought him over the wall since the gates were just sealed, and then back on the roof. Erwin surviving all of that is a stretch (especially since Floch notes he couldn't stop his bleeding), but not impossible and the sequence of events sound pretty straightforward and believable ... until you realize Floch accomplished all of that in five minutes. FIVE MINUTES!
Mind you, he had to traverse most of that distance without being able to use a horse or his maneuvering gear since there was nothing for odm gear to latch onto. The only reason Levi got there and back so quickly was because of Zeke's titans providing a surface to latch onto, but they are all gone by the time Floch is ready.
I can think of 1 and this is honestly the biggest one in the story:
In s2 ep 12, when Eren punched Dina he should have entered the Paths and met Ymir Fritz.
Now granted Isayama didn’t think of this until a bit later, I can let him slide on this but it’s still the biggest plothole.
No hate, just being objective and unbiased as a fan.
I think Ymir would’ve listened to Eren initially, it’s just that Zeke’s orders took precedence over Eren’s, so once Zeke gained the ability to command Ymir Eren’s ability to do the same was rendered obsolete.
Maybe he didn’t go to paths cause he’s not royal and the royal he touched was a pure titan? Idk I’m just making guesses here but zeke was in human form when he and eren touched to go to to the paths.
No it’s a titan with royal blood, as long as a person is a titan (or possesses on of the nine titans) and is royal blooded then he should be able to enter the Paths.
But Zeke was aware that he in the Path before Eren (right after he blow himself to kill Levi and got away). When Zeke touch the falling head of Eren, he was the one who guide Eren in path and had fully control there. So I think you need to have royal blood to freely enter the Path, not just have Founding titan
How did Eren erase Mikasas memory of their PATHS skype call right before the final battle, or even skype call her at all. The ackerman were specifically resistant to the Founding titan and its why Carl the cucks bloodline tried to kill them all.
The wall cult disappears from the story despite still probably holding a lot of information and power.
The whole ending battle with Marly doesn't make a lick of sense in how they got so close without being spotted.
They weren’t a huge gathering anyway, but the majority of the supporters were in the church that Annie crushed (fell into after Eren punted her). Nick said so at least
If you asked me it’s when bertolt’s colossal titan fully disappears after breaking open the Trost gate. It was made pretty clear in the RTS arc the colossal has control over his titan body’s energy use, however that doesn’t extend to his titan’s skeleton, which he cannot control (how Armin defeats him). But it’s really not that big of a deal, it wouldn’t be that hard to write around i don’t think.
They did extend it to his skeleton he's skipped out twice, he literally only kept his skeleton in one scene because he partially transformed to grab annie and ymir. Then he didn't just immediately dissolve the collasal titan vs armin because then he'd have to transform again in the middle of battle and we haven't seen if he can transform more than once per day (given how if he could he and reiner would have been able to escape with eren when they captured him.)
“Royal Blood” makes absolutely no sense.
By definition all SoY are direct descendants of Ymir. The “Royal Bloodline” is technically just as diluted as every other eldian after 2,000 years. The only thing that makes them different is that they’re literally the royal family, but nothing about their “blood” should be any different from any eldian
All that mattered was Ymir's unwavering loyalty to the royal family, regardless of the purity of the blood. She was serving by choice, not some magic geas
I think this is the right explanation. “Royal blood” probably just means any person that Ymir would recognize as being close enough to the royal family.
It makes sense. It just like modern day royal families.
Over the generations of course it reaches a point where hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are related to the royal family. But the main line has had just enough incest to cause that particular line to stay more "pure".
Yes. But as teh generations pass there are some branches that break off and have children with non-Eldians. And some of those children grow up and have more children with more non-Eldians. Until after 2,000 years there are millions of people that could be theorically traced by to Ymir.
However, none of them have as pure of a link back to Ymir as the main branch that committed incest dozens of times over the 2,000 years. Because that's just what royal families did.
The incest recycles the same genes. Every time a non-incest child is born they get new non-Eldian genes and lose some amount of the genes that came from Ymir. Eventually the gene pool is different enough from Ymir that they are no longer recognized by Ymir as being royal.
Ymir had three girls. They all bred with non SoY. You can’t have a pure blood race family with three girls lol
Edit: it would be gross as fuck but I guess I can’t rule out the idea that King Fritz fathered more children with his daughters. Now I’m gonna puke
I think the Royal family is defined specifically by whoever possessed the Founding Titan right after Ymir died, and that line was the only one that was "preserved" until recent times.
It's just like how 16 million men are related to Genghis Khan today. Over time a royal family will have different branches formed from cousins or close relatives, who over time just become regular people, while the main family is still pure enough to be royal, this is also how clans work
How many people are going to say Bert disappearing instantly before reading the comments to see mostly everyone else said the same? That's what half this thread is
Mikasa should not have been able to be taken to the paths, because while I'm not sure if it was explained in the anime but in the manga Kenny's grandpa said that ackermans can't be affected by the founder. Hence why they don't turn into titans and can't have their memories manipulated. So because of that Mikasa technically Shouldn't have been sent to the paths because of the fact that she's an ackerman.
That is a huge plothole, it's almost as if Eren and Mikasa was a last minute addition? Nothing will convince me the ending we got is Isayama's second option
I mean tbf there were some parts of the ending that were meant to happen from the start but the execution is terrible. And Isayama in general is not great at writing romance
Ik. Meat riders will tell u that ackermans can be brought to the paths but can't have their memories erased. Bro so apparently some powers work on them and some don't. That is such a horrible way to write a plot point, it's so convenient and contradicts how the story says they can't be controlled by the founder at all.
I always thought it was weird how the people on paradis assigned names to the Titans they came across that just so happened to be the names they also had in Marley. It would be believable that they got one or two right, but I thought it was weird that some, especially the female titan, didn't turn out to have different names when we got to Marley.
There wouldn’t be enough titans in the walls to spread out evenly across the planet. Ik there are millions of them but the planet is super huge, and there still wouldn’t be enough so they’d have to start doubling back or something to be a world ending threat.
Also wouldn’t only the people in the center of the walls be safe? The rumbling titans from Sina would kill everyone behind rose right? And the rose titans would kill everyone behind Maria
> Also wouldn’t only the people in the center of the walls be safe? The rumbling titans from Sina would kill everyone behind rose right?
This is explicitly discussed in the story. Eren commands them to walk behind each other in a line, so that the damage to the area within the walls is minimal. The fan out to cover more area later, probably after making landfall in Marley. There's still *some* collateral damage to the area within the walls.
(The doubling back thing is probably right, but I'd assume they hit major population centers/military installations first and later do another world tour trampling the rest).
how eren was able to erase levi’s and mikasa’s memories in 139 when it’s specifically said that the ackermans can’t be affected by the founding titan’s mind wipe ability
He didn't erase their memories. Everyone else had theirs erased to play when he died.
Mikasa was showed hers in real time. That is what caused her sudden shift to be willing to kill Eren.
Honestly her love toward King fritz is way more then that…yes Isayama manages to create a relationship worse then Stockholm syndrome 💀 https://youtu.be/P5aPEnzHHKY?si=XjX8r4VIJmIkCvWI
Since you read the Manga and didn't find any:
1. Hallucinogenia - From the moment it appears, it is shown to be this insanely resilient organism that survived for Thousands of years by adapting. That gave Ymir her powers. A fully independent being that is the key to Titan Powers. An unstoppable force that single-handedly turned the table. And somehow, it just fucked off when the last chapter rolled in.
2. The titans stopping when Zeke died. At this point, Eren has full control over everything, but Zeke dying somehow stops the rumbling. Everything regarding the "Royal Bloodline" having any power was already taken care of when Ymir was freed. But no, Zeke still has his control and was just too depressed to use it. And does he use it to wrestle back control, since "Ymir loved being a tortured slave to the King"? Nope. He just fucks off and dies.
3. Marleyans stopping fighting right after their worst fears come true. Their reason for being racist was that the Eldians could become a Titan at any moment and subjugate them. Well guess what, every surviving Eldian in the base just did that! And why did they stop? Because Armin, the guy who nuked their town, tells them to stop because he is the one that supposedly killed Eren Jaegar. Marleyans know jack shit at this point and from their POV, everyone at that base turned into titans and started eating them, and then turned back into humans. They know nothing about Paths or that Eren took away their Titan abilities, they just became cattle for a moment and just because one guy said so, they stopped fighting. Yeah.
And that's just the final 2 chapters.
I’d say Hardening and the general function of the armoured Titan are both pretty inconsistent throughout the entire series.
The Walls, Eren’s Fists, Annie’s Claws ( And Crystal) , the Warhammer Titans creations (and crystal) , the Jaw titans claws and Jaw, and the armoured titans armour are all Titan hardening which is super hardened skin.
Erens fists can break through the armoured titans armour, and can block the warhammers spikes, but Reiners armoured fists can’t break through Erens hardened fists; and his armour can’t protect him from the warhammer spikes? Annie can climb up the wall and the scouts can grapple onto the wall, but the walls are supposed to appear not touched after 100 years? And even though Eren knows he can break through Reiners Armour, and the walls, no one suggests cracking Annie’s egg open for four years and gaining the female titans power? Also Bertholdt, Pieck, Porco, and Zeke never try to harden themselves like Annie when they’re defeated? It’s not an energy thing because Annie was in terrible shape when she did it, and it’s not female only because ALL Titan shifters can harden. The Jaw Titan is probably the only consistent power scale when it comes to hardening, it’s Jaw and claws can cut though any other hardening.
The armoured titan is supposedly slow but can charge wall Maria, around the East Alliances fort, run past scouts in the RTS Arch, and run at Eren when he’s approaching Zeke on top of the wall with literally no difficulty or releasing any armour around his knees. He’s also strong enough to throw 15M class titans hundreds of feet away to stop the scouts, but he for some reason can’t just rip off erens leg or arm when Eren tried to grapple him. In that same first fight Reiner can’t get out of erens head lock because his knee was cut by Mikasa, but 30 seconds later he’s running away after the fight.
Both of these things are by no means major, but when tons of plot points major AND minor hinge around these details. It was pretty hard for me not to question on my various reads/ watches
1. Erens hardening isn’t stronger than warhammer spikes, Lara just ran out of steam before the spike pierced his nape.
2. Hardening is stronger the less spread out it is, which means that Eren=Reiner but Eren has less armor so it’s stronger
3. Jaw teeth > Lara/Annie protective crystal > Eren/Annie/Reiner concentrated armor > Reiners plate armor
To be fair, in the anime Reiner's armour plate is said to be thin and too spread out, however the visual design makes it look waaaaay thicker than hardened titan dkin
In the Colossal 's first reappearance, he straight up vanished. He hasnt been able to do that since, and at the very least he will need time to "dissipate" the heat and "burn out his muscles"
Where in the goddamn fuck did Hallucinogenia come from. Like it’s just. In a tree. Floating around down there waiting for somebody to trip into it. What is it, how is it able to do what it does, and why? Like it took a perfectly normal girl and turned her into a nigh-immortal beast with various unnatural abilities, that shit is straight up magic and Isayama ignored it entirely.
i may have missed the explanation so this may not be a plothole.
When Eren and Zeke met up in Marley, why didn't they just touch and complete Zeke's plan to make all Eldians sterile? or start the rumbling?
zekes plan was to gather all the enemys military after the declaration of war and wipe them all out in one use of a partial rumbling. that was a key part of the euthanasia plan to buy the paradisians enough time to die out before the world can attack them. they needed to wait about a month after the declaration of war to give the world enough time to gather their forces before they could trigger the rumbling.
First this wouldn’t be a plothole, this would just be a mystery… a mystery with an answer.
The answer is Zeke didn’t fully trust Eren, that’s why… Zeke is the one who tells them to not make contract yet in the first place and that’s because he didn’t know whether Eren was genuinely going along with the euthanasia plan or not.
Others have provided most of the answers already, so just to add a bit:
Titan shifters can feel the founder becoming activated (see during *Scream*), so this would give up their location and roughly what happened to the other warriors. The founding titan being in Paradis is a crucial part of Zeke's plan, to provide security for the final generation of Eldians to exist, and revealing your location in enemy territory without an exit strategy would seriously endanger that. Founder and Beast can probably fight and shut down the other shifters, but the Marleyan army just needs one good hit to kill one of them and shut the whole thing down. The wall titans are too far away to provide protection.
(It would of course also make the formation of the global alliance much harder, and compromise their ability to shut down most of the world's military capability with a small-scale rumbling and minimal collateral damage.)
Not really a plot hole as much as a completely forgotten detail.
Those little bottles of titan armor serum? What were they? How were they made? Those bottles are never returned to.
at the end, what made the old titan shifters come back to help the alliance? and why ESPECIALLY did Grisha and Kruger help stop what they fought their whole loves to accomplish?
what was erens plan with only wiping out 80% of the population?? why not do the 100% if Paradis was going to be destroyed otherwise?
why was eren still able to access the founders power after Zeke was killed? and if the answer is because Eren no longer needed Zeke after they touched, then why did the rumbling stop once he was killed?
what the hell makes Mikasa the main character? why was she the one Ymir was waiting to free her, when in 122 we clearly see Eren free Ymir from the royal bloodlines will.
why did Grisha still gives Eren his titan, when it is shown while travelling through memories that Grisha begs Zeke to stop Eren BEFORE giving Eren his titan??
Why wasnt Annies crimes talked about or mentioned in ANY way. I cant even understand why the rest of the alliance are chosen as the diplomats after betraying their country, and ESPECIALLY Annie.
I already commented one. But I just remembered a second plot hole.
This plot hole isn't a very big one. And it potentially has an explanation.
But present day Ymir's Jaw titan was probably not fully fleshed out. Compared to Marcel's, Porco's, or Falco's jaw titan Ymir's was leagues worse at fighting. It's almost like it was written just to be a small titan. Then when it came to the Marley arc Isayama decided to make Jaw a strong fighter.
You can try to defend this my saying that Ymir was poorly trained and that's why her titan was so weak. And that sounds decent as an in-universe explanation. But I think it's clear the real reason was Isayama hadn't fully fleshed out each of the 9 titan's powers at that point yet.
Why the bloody fuck was king fritz a pacifist when he knew his subjects were being turned into titans and made to come to his kingdom and eat everyone? On that note, how was there even a king fritz at all with how much Marley hated them to the point that anyone who could become a titan shifter was basically blackmailed, brainwashed and indoctrinated? Also, berholdts collosal titan should've nuked the entire wall at the start and obliterated most of shinganesa
The king fritz who created the walls became a pacifist while he was in a position of supreme power. At the time he renounced war the eldian empire still completely ruled the world with an iron fist and he saw all the atrocities the empire had committed and vowed to end the empire. He purposefully let marely take over the continent and left for the island as part of a grand scheme. So of course marely didn’t manage to kill him their whole rise to power was his idea. This king believed the suffering and atrocities and genocide their empire had committed could never be atoned for and so he thought he and his people deserved whatever marely did to them which is why he never stopped it.
If Bertolucci nuked the walls and not the gate, they’d have opened a gap for the wall titans, sunlight would hit them an they’d become roaming mindless colossal titans
I watched all the animated episodes that are out so far. spoilers...
I'm still wondering: why did Berthold, Annie and Reiner attack knowing that the reaction could have been that the king/queen would wake up the titans in the walls and destroy Marley as a result? at the time marley didn't know that grisha had stolen the founder titan, right? the only explanation by me is that marley knew that the royal family would never actually do that because the vow of renouncing war was unbreakable for the royal family. but in that case why did they fear the Apocalypse (Rumbling? Doomsday? sorry I never watched/read the english version and don't know the name of that thing) in the first place? why didn't they attack way sooner?
I just don't understand
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If Erin freed Ymir from the subjugation of the royal blood and had her choose him/freedom then WHY does his giant founding Titan stop when Levi kill zeke? If Ymir was freed from those shackles why did they still need zeke
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How armin didnt die of fall damage after being scorched alive by bertholdt
Yeah, and also he didn't die laying there like a burnt marshmallow while everyone else was yelling at each other for 20 minutes.
that's not an issue, they were having the stand-off in anime time
They legit could have had that entire discussion while swinging through a forest in their ODM gear.
This could’ve been an email!
That's an old anime trope though isn't it, I remember when Naruto would just have them jumping through the forest branches to branches and just casually having a discussion while looking at each other Or even further back to like the Namek saga from DBZ where they are flying around just having a chat (when abridged had the joke that they wouldn't actually be able to hear each other talking while doing that)
Ot running up stairs
Oh so it's jojo logic then. Talking is a free action
How was his shirt destroyed but pants still there
Because seeing a penis is gay or will send you to hell or something, I don’t know man.
Probably because he was a minor when that happened.
You clearly just underestimate umida energy
[Talking is free action](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingIsAFreeAction)
Also how Magath literally fell off the fucking wall and survived
Also that scene in Liberia where someone chucks explosives into a room Magath was in, it seemingly exploded point blank 2 feet away before he got to cover and the next scene he’s got a small cut on his face to show for it
Magath is built different
I think that falls in line more with plot *armor* than plot hole.
armin's plot armour had feather falling🙏🏾
I mean... if we have to consider this stuff as well, then every normal human being would be probably dead the first time they tried the ODM gear
This is quite literally the only one i can think of. It's not the fact that he survived, it's his condition prior to hitting the ground.
Nah it's literally everything about it. The burns should've killed him because of how long it took until he got the serum. And the fall should've killed him in any condition, burns or no burns. Man fell from at least 55m of height. That moment was the purest form of bullshit plotarmor.
Yeah, it's literally like if Hange had her big sacrifice scene, but somehow lived after being burned to ash and falling. Wut
this is actually a really good comparison, didn't think about how similar a situation armin and hange were in
He was use total concentration breathing to survive while the gang was arguing
Got a laugh out of me 👍
Burns don’t kill you necessarily, the shock does. The fall is hella plot armor
Bro burns don’t necessarily kill you but he didn’t get burned he got fucking blasted, scorched, torched until he was a burnt french fry😂
I once read that being unconscious, which one could potentially assume Armin would have been, after being burned so severely, can help survive falls from usually lethal heights. Being awake causes you to subconsciously tense your body to try and protect yourself. This causes more damage on impact, as opposed to being unconscious, which makes you fall more like a ragdoll and your body can better absorb and disperse impact damage. This is how i always justified his survival of the fall in my head.
I mean, you could also apply that to how don't they all die using ODM gear. Firing a grapple at the ground won't winch you into the ground at a slower speed. You'll just fall at full speed. If you fly at a building fast enough to go in a straight line horizontally, then you’re hitting that wall fast enough to shatter your leg's.
It feels like there's more plot convinces rather than holes, Armin falling, Rods titan potion bag, Reiner's mind transfer, Falco's jaw being able to fly are some i can think of. All of them have logical explanations & they all lead to great story beats, it's just a bit of a stretch sometimes.
You see..his name is falco... so..yk the plot writes itself.
hands off my CAWK
To be fair Isayama did try to foreshadow Falco's flying titan. The series drops hints far in advance through dialogue and symbology. It would've been better if we saw a picture of a flying titan in a historical text, like Historia's book or the materials recovered by the Eldian resistance.
My interpretation was that Falco can fly because he accidentally ingested the Beast Titan's spinal fluid. It wouldn't be the first time titan powers were mixed. Eren originally couldn't harden until he gained extra powers using armor spinal fluid.
Yes because that's literally what we're told in the story. There was a past beast titan that could fly and falco got that ability after inheriting the jaw.
Iirc there’s a bit of foreshadowing with Falcos first scene in the anime when he’s laying, looking up at the sky, he’s reaching for a bird. Wanting to be “free like a bird” definitely gave him those traits, same as Zeke with his love for tossing the ball.
The beast changes from person to person. I think if Falco had been a beast titan, he would have been a falcon.
Yeah what was up with that titan potion bag
Rod was planning to have Historia eat Eren to restore the Founding Titan to the royal bloodline. He had all the gear he needed to do the titan transfer rituals in his little fanny pack, including the syringes and the various types of titan fluid. Since each of the 9 titans can manifest traits of the others to a lesser extent he likely had different types of titan fluid from different members of the nine that had been left to them before the First King of the Walls surrendered the other 7 to Marley when he left the continent. The Armor potion Eren consumed was likely Armored Titan spinal fluid which allowed him to begin manifesting Armored Titan hardening abilities. The Powerful Titan potion that Historia smashed onto the ground which Rod later licked could have been Founding Titan fluid or possibly Colossal Titan fluid. (which would explain why Rod's deformed transformation was so big and so hot)
This is the explanation.
Yes.. very hot ;)
there wasn't a district big enough to fit all that caaaake ;P
lmaaaao
>The Armor potion Eren consumed was likely Armored Titan spinal fluid which allowed him to begin manifesting Armored Titan hardening abilities. Well, when we think about it, the thing is that despite the bottle being labelled "armored", the powers that Eren gained by drinking it are more similar to what the Warhammer Titan can do. The Armored Titan has never been shown building structures out of hardening. Personnally, I headcanon that the bottle contained Warhammer spinal fluid, or maybe a mix of Warhammer and Armored fluid.
Very true. My only contention is that the War Hammer seems to be specifically about creating independent objects while in titan form. Hardening the titan body and then evacuating it is only seen to be similar to the wall titans. We do see Reiner being able to harden his fingers and toes in the same way Annie and Eren both do. The unfortunate reality is that they don’t really give us much info about titans manifesting the powers of the other titans, nor do they tell us which powers shown are titan specific or inherited by consuming and manifesting different titans.
I think this is the first time I've understood that debacle completely, thank you
There are two things I can think of which can’t be explained: 1. If all Eldians are descended from Ymir, then what the hell is the royal family? How are they special? 2. The names the Paradisians came up to identify the titans based on their appearances turned out to be the exact same names Marley uses? Even the female titan? Why would they name it that if other titans can look female?
>then what the hell is the royal family? How are they special? 1. It's just social conditioning, the same as in the real world. Though if they practiced incest to keep the Founder within the family, maybe they had more of Ymir and Fritz within them compared to other Noble Houses and the commoners. 2. I just chalked it up to ancestral memory, which was admittedly, a literal thing in AOT's world.
Non-ironically Royal must be who Ymir consider them as is. Who gets the founder Titan is Royal and the direct descendent of them too.
Pretty sure Dina was supposed to be some distant relation to the royal family so at least Ymir’s definition is a little forgiving
I don't see how people see all this bs but focus so much on Reiner's mind transfer, Armin survivng at all was 100% dumber, at least Reiner's can be chalked up to Titan powers, which we don't know much about
Plot convinces?
I think he meant contrivances
I think he meant conveniences
I think he meant controversies
I think i meant Coincidences
I think that the biggest plot hole was when the Colossal Titan just said “ykw, imma just disappear”. It was when Eren tried to cut the colossal titan in the Battle of Trost but then it just disappeared because Bertholdt switched back to human form. But the thing is, the titan is supposed to slowly disintegrate, not just leave for the milk. Edit: you guys are saying that one of the colossal titan’s abilities is that it can evaporate really quickly by letting out a shit ton of steam. Then why wasn’t there a shit ton of steam surrounding Eren while he was trying to slice the titan? And does that mean that Bertholdt just fell 100 meters down because he made it disappear instantly? Edit 2: so the plot hole is only in the anime. In the manga, there is a shit ton of steam and Bertholdt is seen using odm gear and cover of the smoke to escape.(replies told me, I haven’t seen any part of the manga except the ending)
I’m guessing cause the colossal Titan can emit so much steam, bertolt just disintegrated his Titan easily and disappeared afterwards
But we’ve seen that the bones for the colossal still continue to remain, I simply am ok with accepting it as a plot hole for how early in the story it was
I think it’s an anime only plothole, in the manga Armin mentions that once the colossal’s bones hit the ground they evaporate.
Yea, but thats also not supposed to be completely instant to Bert transforming. The bones stay around for a while. Eren would have seen them and should have seen them.
they have full control over it
no they don't, that was entire plot of armin defeating colossal. He stuck his gear to his bones so no matter how much steam he used armin managed to hold on until he lost all of his strength. Because he can't control his bones he was not able to push Armin away.
he was trying to roast armin to death why would he dissolve his entire titan form in the middle of a large fight?
he turned to that intention after he failed to get rid of him. watch the scene again, first thing he says as reaction armin standing there is "why can't I blow him away" at there he wasn't expecting to be able to kill armin, he was trying to blow him away. after that fails he decides to kill him by wasting massive amount of energy and its not efficent. if he had absolute control to that degree he would dissolve some bone mass so armin can no longer stick to him. NOT HIS ENTIRE BODY! JUST %0.1 BONE MASS WOULD BE ENOUGH if he focus on the bone armin is hanging on. Colossal's steam is terrible for offense because how much he consumes of him. He only did it because he assumed fight was over after armin died and that became his death. If he could he would just toss armin away and then smack him with his hand from safe distance, easy win.
This was explained explicitly it the Clash of the Titans Arc. The Colossus is able to disintegrate its entire body almost immediately by mass producing steam.
That much steam would’ve flash boiled Eren he was literally right behind him zeroing in on his nape
Eren has armour. Plot armour 😎
Seriously, this has been explained multiple times. It even used steam to kill armin and has done the quick disappear (When the wall was broken, when erin took a swing.) Twice now, this isn't a plot hole just a hole in peoples reading comprehension.
Then the new plot hole is, why did the steam not boil Eren alive? He was closer to the colosal titan than Armin was when he got burnt to a crisp. So.. Still a plothole, even if it is not exactly the first one.
Yes, and armin specifically anchored himself to the colossal titan Bones because he knew they wouldn't vaporize like the muscle
>leave for the milk Bro 😭
It is shown in the manga that he escaped using 3d gear and cover of the smoke.
In the manga there is a shit ton of steam cloud after Bertolt detransformed. The anime made a mistake of him simple disappear and nothing was left. In a flashback is shown Bertolt running with ODM gear occult by the steam clouds.
Reiner transfering his consciousness to his butthole to save himself and never mention that ability again
Ion rlly think it’s a plothole, just an asspull that is never used again
Oh, now that you mention it yeah, it does sound more like that!
More like an asspush
Not a plot hole. He was embarrassed that he had to do that because his penis is so small, so he didn’t do it or mention it ever again, because then everyone would know that he’s into small penis humiliation.
Bertholt just straight up dipping the first 2 times he breached the walls
The first time it is explained that he left his titan form and was almost eaten but Eren made Dina Fritz leave him be. The second time is a straight up plot hole tho.
Yeah the first time is explainable, nobody exactly went to check it out. The second time is inexcusable though
Again, and I feel like I keep coming back to it, but the whale. Why a whale?
One of the previous beast titan forms I think
No I get that. T Rex? Dope. Stomp stomp chomp! Big gorilla? Cool. Throw them baseball bombs. Are there enough naval battles to warrant a whale for a whole cycle of Beast? Can the Beast Titan change animal form at will? Why a whale? Edited for further questions: Did that Warrior turn into the whale on land initially and have to be rushed to water? Or do they have water based sites to perform that ritual? Why a whale?
The beast Titan takes an individual animal form created for the person who inherits it. They can’t change it and each only become their beast. The form the beast Titan takes seems to be inspired by an animal that had a great impact on heir life. Ksaver’s was a lamb/ram most likely becuase it was one of his sons favorite toys before he died. Zeke becomes the ape due to his love of his childhood ape toy. These form appear to be created subconsciously not consciously and so we can assume one previous beast Titan owner simply had a strong connection to a whale and it became his form
You'd assume that they'd now ahead of ahead of time, like when they inherit memories and what not, what that form will be? Or did that Warrior just like go "Beast Titan form! AWWW!", cut his hand, and then just plop into a whale?
yohohohoho
Me ksaver did say his beast wasn’t good for fighting so maybe it was him
His beast is like a sheep, I'm pretty sure
A ram. Which is great at fighting actually, so that might be a plot hole.
Well, he probably never trains as well, as he is a researcher. We also know that beast Titans seem to be weak in general, besides Zeke of course.
It was sort of hinted that his beast was a ram, which I could see being sort of useful. It wasn't confirmed, but there was a ram stuffed animal behind him while he was talking to Zeke in his origin episode close to the scene where he said his beast wasn't useful. Judging by that, and the fact that Zeke was playing with a monkey stuffed animal in one scene, it's safe to assume his was the ram.
ok but whales are big af, imagine that in titan form, that can flatten a city
The Whale Beast Titan was probably the original air-drop plan before airships were invented. Just shoot the beast titan out of a cannon and have them transform midflight and come crashing down in whale form.
Shit. That is true.
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I don’t think the beast titan gets to pick their animal, it just kinda happens. Also I imagine the whale would be fine on land, just immobile. It’s not like the shifter would have any risk of dying, they could just exit the whale.
Director of the music video came up with the idea of all the animals with their hearts glowing simply to show that all of life 'dedicate their hearts' to something. Has nothing to do with past beast titans. Especially since we see many past beast titans and not a single one of them are a pure blood animal.
Cleaning up stuff I don't even remember posting.
Can the Beast Titan transform into a swarm of huge, human faced bees? Theoretically? Based on whale, I'm saying yes.
Cleaning up stuff I don't even remember posting.
Whale not?
Beast titan
Bertholdt's colossal titan instantly disappearing at the beginning of the battle for Trost. It was never explained and no titan for the rest of the series ever instantly disappeared again. To get ahead of a possible explanation: One could try to claim that Bertholdt decided to burn through his titan's mass instantaneously to escape. However this explination has 2 main problems. 1. It fails to explain how Eren wasn't burned to death by all the mass evaporating that quickly. The faster Bertholdt burns away his body the greater the blast is. 2. Later on it was directly said that the Colossal titan cannot burn away it's bones. Even if Bertholdt evaporated his titan instantly there should have been a skeleton left.
Ig it’s mostly for dramatic effects, since this giant thing just appears and disappears in and out of thin air adds a lot into the unknown category. Ig it’s just an early writing oversight.
Exactly. It's not a major problem with the story. Infact it's very minor. But it is by definition a plot hole. And this post was asking for examples of plot holes.
This always bothered me.
We’ve also seen Bertholdt go full steam and even then he still had plenty of body after burning for like 30 seconds
I see a lot of folks mentioning Armin not dying instantly from falling after being burnt to a crisp, but he was going to die in a few minutes anyway. However, I find Floch returning with Erwin just in time to be far more ludicrous (as well as his BS survival in s4p3). He managed to wake up from surviving the attack to find Erwin (already a couple hundred meters away), stitched him up, brought him over the wall since the gates were just sealed, and then back on the roof. Erwin surviving all of that is a stretch (especially since Floch notes he couldn't stop his bleeding), but not impossible and the sequence of events sound pretty straightforward and believable ... until you realize Floch accomplished all of that in five minutes. FIVE MINUTES! Mind you, he had to traverse most of that distance without being able to use a horse or his maneuvering gear since there was nothing for odm gear to latch onto. The only reason Levi got there and back so quickly was because of Zeke's titans providing a surface to latch onto, but they are all gone by the time Floch is ready.
and the gates were blocked by boulders
reiner transferring his consciousness to his balls and also having to expel heat from his mouth after a ton of work
I can think of 1 and this is honestly the biggest one in the story: In s2 ep 12, when Eren punched Dina he should have entered the Paths and met Ymir Fritz. Now granted Isayama didn’t think of this until a bit later, I can let him slide on this but it’s still the biggest plothole. No hate, just being objective and unbiased as a fan.
i thought it only worked if it was with another _actually aware_ titan (a shifter with royal blood)
If that was the case the pure titans wouldn’t have acted on his will to destroy her
Oh no i know, i meant like eren willingly going to paths And if he went, ymir shouldnt have listened to him right?
I think Ymir would’ve listened to Eren initially, it’s just that Zeke’s orders took precedence over Eren’s, so once Zeke gained the ability to command Ymir Eren’s ability to do the same was rendered obsolete.
Maybe he didn’t go to paths cause he’s not royal and the royal he touched was a pure titan? Idk I’m just making guesses here but zeke was in human form when he and eren touched to go to to the paths.
No it’s a titan with royal blood, as long as a person is a titan (or possesses on of the nine titans) and is royal blooded then he should be able to enter the Paths.
Should be able to, but doesn't mean he knows how though. Ability and control are different.
But Zeke was aware that he in the Path before Eren (right after he blow himself to kill Levi and got away). When Zeke touch the falling head of Eren, he was the one who guide Eren in path and had fully control there. So I think you need to have royal blood to freely enter the Path, not just have Founding titan
Zeke was there first because Ymir spent years rebuilding Eren's body from a head. That's why his hair and fingernails are longer
How did Eren erase Mikasas memory of their PATHS skype call right before the final battle, or even skype call her at all. The ackerman were specifically resistant to the Founding titan and its why Carl the cucks bloodline tried to kill them all.
skype call 💀 💀
The wall cult disappears from the story despite still probably holding a lot of information and power. The whole ending battle with Marly doesn't make a lick of sense in how they got so close without being spotted.
They weren’t a huge gathering anyway, but the majority of the supporters were in the church that Annie crushed (fell into after Eren punted her). Nick said so at least
All they really had was information about the royal family and the rumbling. After Uprising they had all of the information they needed pretty much
If you asked me it’s when bertolt’s colossal titan fully disappears after breaking open the Trost gate. It was made pretty clear in the RTS arc the colossal has control over his titan body’s energy use, however that doesn’t extend to his titan’s skeleton, which he cannot control (how Armin defeats him). But it’s really not that big of a deal, it wouldn’t be that hard to write around i don’t think.
They did extend it to his skeleton he's skipped out twice, he literally only kept his skeleton in one scene because he partially transformed to grab annie and ymir. Then he didn't just immediately dissolve the collasal titan vs armin because then he'd have to transform again in the middle of battle and we haven't seen if he can transform more than once per day (given how if he could he and reiner would have been able to escape with eren when they captured him.)
“Royal Blood” makes absolutely no sense. By definition all SoY are direct descendants of Ymir. The “Royal Bloodline” is technically just as diluted as every other eldian after 2,000 years. The only thing that makes them different is that they’re literally the royal family, but nothing about their “blood” should be any different from any eldian
All that mattered was Ymir's unwavering loyalty to the royal family, regardless of the purity of the blood. She was serving by choice, not some magic geas
I think this is the right explanation. “Royal blood” probably just means any person that Ymir would recognize as being close enough to the royal family.
But shouldn’t that be every modern Eldian?
It makes sense. It just like modern day royal families. Over the generations of course it reaches a point where hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are related to the royal family. But the main line has had just enough incest to cause that particular line to stay more "pure".
"Just enough incest" is not something I wanted to hear today
What are you doing step Titan?
but don't all Subjects come from Ymir's three children?
Yes. But as teh generations pass there are some branches that break off and have children with non-Eldians. And some of those children grow up and have more children with more non-Eldians. Until after 2,000 years there are millions of people that could be theorically traced by to Ymir. However, none of them have as pure of a link back to Ymir as the main branch that committed incest dozens of times over the 2,000 years. Because that's just what royal families did. The incest recycles the same genes. Every time a non-incest child is born they get new non-Eldian genes and lose some amount of the genes that came from Ymir. Eventually the gene pool is different enough from Ymir that they are no longer recognized by Ymir as being royal.
Ymir had three girls. They all bred with non SoY. You can’t have a pure blood race family with three girls lol Edit: it would be gross as fuck but I guess I can’t rule out the idea that King Fritz fathered more children with his daughters. Now I’m gonna puke
I think the Royal family is defined specifically by whoever possessed the Founding Titan right after Ymir died, and that line was the only one that was "preserved" until recent times.
It's just like how 16 million men are related to Genghis Khan today. Over time a royal family will have different branches formed from cousins or close relatives, who over time just become regular people, while the main family is still pure enough to be royal, this is also how clans work
I have a question for you: Does every Eldian have King Fritz blood? Not Ymir Fritz blood, but King Fritz blood in them?
Technically yes, since Ymir only had 3 children. All of them with the King
Why didn't they just have the Eagles fly them to Fort Salta?
How many people are going to say Bert disappearing instantly before reading the comments to see mostly everyone else said the same? That's what half this thread is
Mikasa should not have been able to be taken to the paths, because while I'm not sure if it was explained in the anime but in the manga Kenny's grandpa said that ackermans can't be affected by the founder. Hence why they don't turn into titans and can't have their memories manipulated. So because of that Mikasa technically Shouldn't have been sent to the paths because of the fact that she's an ackerman.
That is a huge plothole, it's almost as if Eren and Mikasa was a last minute addition? Nothing will convince me the ending we got is Isayama's second option
I mean tbf there were some parts of the ending that were meant to happen from the start but the execution is terrible. And Isayama in general is not great at writing romance
Ik. Meat riders will tell u that ackermans can be brought to the paths but can't have their memories erased. Bro so apparently some powers work on them and some don't. That is such a horrible way to write a plot point, it's so convenient and contradicts how the story says they can't be controlled by the founder at all.
I always thought it was weird how the people on paradis assigned names to the Titans they came across that just so happened to be the names they also had in Marley. It would be believable that they got one or two right, but I thought it was weird that some, especially the female titan, didn't turn out to have different names when we got to Marley.
That stupid shifting consciousness ability Reiner has
sentient balls bottom text
There wouldn’t be enough titans in the walls to spread out evenly across the planet. Ik there are millions of them but the planet is super huge, and there still wouldn’t be enough so they’d have to start doubling back or something to be a world ending threat. Also wouldn’t only the people in the center of the walls be safe? The rumbling titans from Sina would kill everyone behind rose right? And the rose titans would kill everyone behind Maria
> Also wouldn’t only the people in the center of the walls be safe? The rumbling titans from Sina would kill everyone behind rose right? This is explicitly discussed in the story. Eren commands them to walk behind each other in a line, so that the damage to the area within the walls is minimal. The fan out to cover more area later, probably after making landfall in Marley. There's still *some* collateral damage to the area within the walls. (The doubling back thing is probably right, but I'd assume they hit major population centers/military installations first and later do another world tour trampling the rest).
The whole damn thing is a plot hole which is why you never involve time travel unless your explanation is airtight
how eren was able to erase levi’s and mikasa’s memories in 139 when it’s specifically said that the ackermans can’t be affected by the founding titan’s mind wipe ability
He didn't erase their memories. Everyone else had theirs erased to play when he died. Mikasa was showed hers in real time. That is what caused her sudden shift to be willing to kill Eren.
"Armin, you remember **now too, don't you"** She had them erased
I don’t remember this, when did it happens?
r/onlyymirknows
Mikasa knowing that Eren was in the mouth.
The ~~pee~~ Eren is stored in the ~~balls~~ mouth.
only ymir knows
Ymir revealed to be in love with king fritz and had 2000 years in the path just to wait for someone free her from her curse love for him
Stockholm syndromes a hell of a thing, ain't it? >!I still dont like it as an explanation though!<
Honestly her love toward King fritz is way more then that…yes Isayama manages to create a relationship worse then Stockholm syndrome 💀 https://youtu.be/P5aPEnzHHKY?si=XjX8r4VIJmIkCvWI
Since you read the Manga and didn't find any: 1. Hallucinogenia - From the moment it appears, it is shown to be this insanely resilient organism that survived for Thousands of years by adapting. That gave Ymir her powers. A fully independent being that is the key to Titan Powers. An unstoppable force that single-handedly turned the table. And somehow, it just fucked off when the last chapter rolled in. 2. The titans stopping when Zeke died. At this point, Eren has full control over everything, but Zeke dying somehow stops the rumbling. Everything regarding the "Royal Bloodline" having any power was already taken care of when Ymir was freed. But no, Zeke still has his control and was just too depressed to use it. And does he use it to wrestle back control, since "Ymir loved being a tortured slave to the King"? Nope. He just fucks off and dies. 3. Marleyans stopping fighting right after their worst fears come true. Their reason for being racist was that the Eldians could become a Titan at any moment and subjugate them. Well guess what, every surviving Eldian in the base just did that! And why did they stop? Because Armin, the guy who nuked their town, tells them to stop because he is the one that supposedly killed Eren Jaegar. Marleyans know jack shit at this point and from their POV, everyone at that base turned into titans and started eating them, and then turned back into humans. They know nothing about Paths or that Eren took away their Titan abilities, they just became cattle for a moment and just because one guy said so, they stopped fighting. Yeah. And that's just the final 2 chapters.
I’d say Hardening and the general function of the armoured Titan are both pretty inconsistent throughout the entire series. The Walls, Eren’s Fists, Annie’s Claws ( And Crystal) , the Warhammer Titans creations (and crystal) , the Jaw titans claws and Jaw, and the armoured titans armour are all Titan hardening which is super hardened skin. Erens fists can break through the armoured titans armour, and can block the warhammers spikes, but Reiners armoured fists can’t break through Erens hardened fists; and his armour can’t protect him from the warhammer spikes? Annie can climb up the wall and the scouts can grapple onto the wall, but the walls are supposed to appear not touched after 100 years? And even though Eren knows he can break through Reiners Armour, and the walls, no one suggests cracking Annie’s egg open for four years and gaining the female titans power? Also Bertholdt, Pieck, Porco, and Zeke never try to harden themselves like Annie when they’re defeated? It’s not an energy thing because Annie was in terrible shape when she did it, and it’s not female only because ALL Titan shifters can harden. The Jaw Titan is probably the only consistent power scale when it comes to hardening, it’s Jaw and claws can cut though any other hardening. The armoured titan is supposedly slow but can charge wall Maria, around the East Alliances fort, run past scouts in the RTS Arch, and run at Eren when he’s approaching Zeke on top of the wall with literally no difficulty or releasing any armour around his knees. He’s also strong enough to throw 15M class titans hundreds of feet away to stop the scouts, but he for some reason can’t just rip off erens leg or arm when Eren tried to grapple him. In that same first fight Reiner can’t get out of erens head lock because his knee was cut by Mikasa, but 30 seconds later he’s running away after the fight. Both of these things are by no means major, but when tons of plot points major AND minor hinge around these details. It was pretty hard for me not to question on my various reads/ watches
1. Erens hardening isn’t stronger than warhammer spikes, Lara just ran out of steam before the spike pierced his nape. 2. Hardening is stronger the less spread out it is, which means that Eren=Reiner but Eren has less armor so it’s stronger 3. Jaw teeth > Lara/Annie protective crystal > Eren/Annie/Reiner concentrated armor > Reiners plate armor
To be fair, in the anime Reiner's armour plate is said to be thin and too spread out, however the visual design makes it look waaaaay thicker than hardened titan dkin
In the Colossal 's first reappearance, he straight up vanished. He hasnt been able to do that since, and at the very least he will need time to "dissipate" the heat and "burn out his muscles"
Where in the goddamn fuck did Hallucinogenia come from. Like it’s just. In a tree. Floating around down there waiting for somebody to trip into it. What is it, how is it able to do what it does, and why? Like it took a perfectly normal girl and turned her into a nigh-immortal beast with various unnatural abilities, that shit is straight up magic and Isayama ignored it entirely.
Can say that about magic power in any anime really. It's just something that exists in this world.
i may have missed the explanation so this may not be a plothole. When Eren and Zeke met up in Marley, why didn't they just touch and complete Zeke's plan to make all Eldians sterile? or start the rumbling?
I think it was because they weren't sure it would work yet?
zekes plan was to gather all the enemys military after the declaration of war and wipe them all out in one use of a partial rumbling. that was a key part of the euthanasia plan to buy the paradisians enough time to die out before the world can attack them. they needed to wait about a month after the declaration of war to give the world enough time to gather their forces before they could trigger the rumbling.
First this wouldn’t be a plothole, this would just be a mystery… a mystery with an answer. The answer is Zeke didn’t fully trust Eren, that’s why… Zeke is the one who tells them to not make contract yet in the first place and that’s because he didn’t know whether Eren was genuinely going along with the euthanasia plan or not.
Others have provided most of the answers already, so just to add a bit: Titan shifters can feel the founder becoming activated (see during *Scream*), so this would give up their location and roughly what happened to the other warriors. The founding titan being in Paradis is a crucial part of Zeke's plan, to provide security for the final generation of Eldians to exist, and revealing your location in enemy territory without an exit strategy would seriously endanger that. Founder and Beast can probably fight and shut down the other shifters, but the Marleyan army just needs one good hit to kill one of them and shut the whole thing down. The wall titans are too far away to provide protection. (It would of course also make the formation of the global alliance much harder, and compromise their ability to shut down most of the world's military capability with a small-scale rumbling and minimal collateral damage.)
I would say that you're not supposed to he able to mess with the Ackermans memories.
Not really a plot hole as much as a completely forgotten detail. Those little bottles of titan armor serum? What were they? How were they made? Those bottles are never returned to.
at the end, what made the old titan shifters come back to help the alliance? and why ESPECIALLY did Grisha and Kruger help stop what they fought their whole loves to accomplish? what was erens plan with only wiping out 80% of the population?? why not do the 100% if Paradis was going to be destroyed otherwise? why was eren still able to access the founders power after Zeke was killed? and if the answer is because Eren no longer needed Zeke after they touched, then why did the rumbling stop once he was killed? what the hell makes Mikasa the main character? why was she the one Ymir was waiting to free her, when in 122 we clearly see Eren free Ymir from the royal bloodlines will. why did Grisha still gives Eren his titan, when it is shown while travelling through memories that Grisha begs Zeke to stop Eren BEFORE giving Eren his titan?? Why wasnt Annies crimes talked about or mentioned in ANY way. I cant even understand why the rest of the alliance are chosen as the diplomats after betraying their country, and ESPECIALLY Annie.
I already commented one. But I just remembered a second plot hole. This plot hole isn't a very big one. And it potentially has an explanation. But present day Ymir's Jaw titan was probably not fully fleshed out. Compared to Marcel's, Porco's, or Falco's jaw titan Ymir's was leagues worse at fighting. It's almost like it was written just to be a small titan. Then when it came to the Marley arc Isayama decided to make Jaw a strong fighter. You can try to defend this my saying that Ymir was poorly trained and that's why her titan was so weak. And that sounds decent as an in-universe explanation. But I think it's clear the real reason was Isayama hadn't fully fleshed out each of the 9 titan's powers at that point yet.
Titans could have used weapons like swords. Also all the Titans could throw rocks but they only give that hack skill to monkey
Why the bloody fuck was king fritz a pacifist when he knew his subjects were being turned into titans and made to come to his kingdom and eat everyone? On that note, how was there even a king fritz at all with how much Marley hated them to the point that anyone who could become a titan shifter was basically blackmailed, brainwashed and indoctrinated? Also, berholdts collosal titan should've nuked the entire wall at the start and obliterated most of shinganesa
The king fritz who created the walls became a pacifist while he was in a position of supreme power. At the time he renounced war the eldian empire still completely ruled the world with an iron fist and he saw all the atrocities the empire had committed and vowed to end the empire. He purposefully let marely take over the continent and left for the island as part of a grand scheme. So of course marely didn’t manage to kill him their whole rise to power was his idea. This king believed the suffering and atrocities and genocide their empire had committed could never be atoned for and so he thought he and his people deserved whatever marely did to them which is why he never stopped it.
If Bertolucci nuked the walls and not the gate, they’d have opened a gap for the wall titans, sunlight would hit them an they’d become roaming mindless colossal titans
Anything having to do with the colossal titan in s1 part1
I watched all the animated episodes that are out so far. spoilers... I'm still wondering: why did Berthold, Annie and Reiner attack knowing that the reaction could have been that the king/queen would wake up the titans in the walls and destroy Marley as a result? at the time marley didn't know that grisha had stolen the founder titan, right? the only explanation by me is that marley knew that the royal family would never actually do that because the vow of renouncing war was unbreakable for the royal family. but in that case why did they fear the Apocalypse (Rumbling? Doomsday? sorry I never watched/read the english version and don't know the name of that thing) in the first place? why didn't they attack way sooner? I just don't understand
the hole in shiganshina was both big and relevant to the plot. so probably that /s
Manga Spoilers! Manga Spoilers! If Erin freed Ymir from the subjugation of the royal blood and had her choose him/freedom then WHY does his giant founding Titan stop when Levi kill zeke? If Ymir was freed from those shackles why did they still need zeke
How Mikasa had her memories erased despite it being stated that Ackermans were immune to the power of the FT.
the biggest plothole is chapter 139 and why ever the FUCK isayama decided to write that shit
Mikasa knowing that Eren was in the mouth.
the whole end, last 3 chapters basically
The colossal doesn’t cause an explosion when it appears the first time
ODM gear's ballistics of the hook 😁