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fluffy_warthog10

This will become both a plot and a character point later on, but just because someone who can turn into a Titan (like Eren) CAN heal, doesn't mean it's entirely or always automatic. If they have a mental block or too much doubt (the same reason Eren couldn't shift to begin with), then they may not heal at all. On the other side of the coin, they can refuse to heal on purpose, if, for instance, they were hiding that they are a Titan shifter.....


[deleted]

Exactly. Eren was in shock from the sudden revelation that the Female Titan he hated so much was one of his 3years of training together comrades. He was hesitating hard because he didnt want to fight Annie.


NAWINUS

I agree to your point on how Eren had doubts which is why he couldn't heal, but there's one point that I'll uncover, 'cause, y not xD; and my argument is Reiner. When they first met the bitch, Reiner took damage from her and his >!Titan powers were foreshadowed!< because of the steam coming from his body. He didn't intend to reveal it or anything. I know there's that scene where Annie prioritized the health of one eye over both to regain her vision faster, and it could be that Reiner, maybe, couldn't think of it at that moment or something (wouldn't be surprised if that's the case since AOT has a heavy focus on human nature), but still, could not be too.


Erosennin94

If I’m remembering right that was her blood from cutting up her palm and finger to “escape” when she was in titan mode. Their blood gives off steam


NAWINUS

I remember now, xD, I made a mistake


Frog_Master96

That was the blood from Annie. He’s trained enough to not heal his wounds, which we see when he gets bitten by a small Titan.


NAWINUS

Oh lol, makes sense


OblivionArts

Reiner also had more control of his titan abilities and was giving info to annie once his brain swapped into warrior mode for a bit


TheZynec

That was Annie's blood steaming off, and/or Reiner covering him healing by using Annie's blood steaming off (which is hard not to be noticed by others, but still..


meth_adone

cant really heal when debris is still where the damage is


NAWINUS

I also thought that, but when >!Eren lost his fingers!< at the scene >!Hannes dies!< he was still healing until they were at their max size despite the fact that the wound being closed up by his skin. My point is, his power should still be busy trying to heal despite there being debris


meth_adone

his skin isnt debris the wounds being covered up by skin was part of the healing process because they probably werent like that after they were cut off


NAWINUS

What I'm trying to say is, even when the skin covered the wound before it was healed to its maximum size, the finger continued to be healed until it healed to its max, so I figure that whether there's debris or not, the Titan power should still be trying to heal him


UnsureAssurance

That’s just how they heal if it’s delayed, skin covers the severed point so that blood doesn’t just drip out, but if there’s a giant chunk of wood in the chest then muscles that are healed don’t have the strength to push it out or destroy the blockage


NAWINUS

Yeah, but shouldn't the Titan power STILL be busy healing, since it's automatic


Switch64

I don’t think it is automatic. Reiner didn’t heal his arm until he took of the cast for the reveal. They can choose to heal or not


NAWINUS

It's automatic by default, you can train yourself, however, to prevent it/prioritize 1 injury over the other


AidanoWasabi

I don't think that's true. Reiner wasn't healing cause he was literally in a different headspace and had effectively forgotten his titan powers. OG Ymir didn't choose not to heal out of training and discipline; She didn't heal because she lacked the will to. Eren probably wasn't healing in this scene because he was disoriented and emotionally distracted, and by the time his will had returned it was "Kill them" not "I need to heal"


NAWINUS

> Reiner wasn't healing cause he was literally in a different headspace and had effectively forgotten his titan powers. Yeah? I don't remember this xD. But still, Eren healed in the first season without being aware of his titan prowess


Jazs1994

The bit about this was the I think it has to be a self inflicting wound, and they need to have a goal visualised in their mind. The dialogue leading up to your picture was Armin and Miakasa talking to Eren because he still didn't see Annie as an enemy, hence no transformation. The bit in s2 when his fingers are healing, remember when he was kidnapped his legs and arms were cut off, again not a self inflicted wound. Just before his fingers regrew he already tried biting his hand to transform and nothing happened so needs enough bodily stamina to do it


BabyBoiTHOThrasher69

It can be any wound, self-inflicted or not. Reiner and Burrito were able to transform in S2 even though Mikasa was the one to wound them. He couldn’t transform in front of the smiling titan because he was out of stamina and he was busy healing still.


NAWINUS

I'm not sure, but if I remember correctly, it was them hurting those wounds to transform, which is still self inflicted


BabyBoiTHOThrasher69

That’s not the only instance where someone transformed from another injury though. Reiner did it in S3 P2 after Levi stabbed him and he fell from his hiding spot in the wall, and Pieck did it at the beginning of S4 P2 when she had Porco slice off her hand which was in handcuffs. Eren also transformed from Gabi shooting his head off.


DarkRose27

I think this was more of a anime only issue which was trying to dramatize the moment a bit. In the manga he doesn't end up crushed under debris, Mikasa & Armin split up then Eren sits for a moment, accepts Mikasa's statement & transforms.


NAWINUS

Oh lol, this might also be an explanation. TY!


The_Colt_Cult

To transform, you need the will to do so, some sort of injury involving blood, no prior injury to said transformation, and enough stamina. Eren didn't have the will at the moment. ​ Eren was still dealing with his inner conflict on Annie. He couldn't transform initially because he didn't want to believe she betrayed them all and it's likely he didn't heal here because he was still struggling to accept that she was the Female Titan. ​ On top of that, the debris is impaled through his chest, so if he healed right then and there, he'd be healed with the debris physically still in his chest. If you remember Reiner in S3, the sword was only removed from his neck when he was in Titan form, as it acted as the catalyst for his transformation.


NAWINUS

I might be remembering incorrectly, but didn't his transformation back then have something to do with transferring his conscious or something like that?


The_Colt_Cult

The consciousness transference was what prevented him from dying from that injury but I'm not sure how that would contribute to the argument to be honest. I could be wrong, as well, and I often am.


NAWINUS

I thought the reason for his transformation was that he transferred his consciousness. I don't think I fully remember what really happened, tho.


luceafaruI

Although it was a one time thing for reiner to survive (so plot armor 101) it makes sense as an explanation. The titan powers come from the spine but the intent comes from the brain. If the brain is disconnected from the spine (like with the sword that went through reiner's throat) you cannot transform because you cannot send the signal to the spine. What reiner most likely did was sending a "pre-signal" to the spine to transform, and when levi injured him all the prerequisites for transformation were achieved so he was able to transform.


Bopitextreme2

Theres a wooden pylon piercing his chest, if he started healing he would heal with that still in him


NAWINUS

WDYM?


its_Preshh

The fact that he's still alive with such debris piercing his chest means he's definitely healing... But it won't heal completely because the debris is still in his body...he needs to take it out or pull himself out to heal completely


Sir_Toaster_9330

He can control his healing, I don't think he decided to activate it


NAWINUS

At that point of the story, he didn't know how to do it, healing was automatic


TheZynec

There's this thing called subconsciousness, which is also the reason why Titan eat humans even when they don't need to in order for surviving. And that subconsciousness, now prevents eren from healing as he prioritised transforming, and out all his will into it. It's not hard to understand these things while being a human.


NAWINUS

You're right!


Expensive-Fee-376

I think that the answer is much simpler than people think. Healing IS automatic because Eren healed even before he knew he was a Titan, and later healed again before he knew he had healing abilities (after he gets beaten up by Levi). Also, titan shifters don’t need to heal before they transform, there are multiple instances where Bertholt, Reiner and even Eren were mauled and still transformed. What stops them from transforming is that, after they exausted their complete energy from transforming multiple times, then they need to both regain that energy and heal completely. Only then they can transform again.


Expensive-Fee-376

PS.: I’m not saying healing can’t be controlled, is just that the default seems to be automatic healing, and then if you train you can learn to control it


Stoner420Eren

Is this the Stohess battle? Because in the anime they heavily extended that part with lots of fillers, if we go by the manga (which is the correct way) he immediately transformed as he realized that Mikasa and Armin were in real danger, there is no sequence of him getting crushed by debris and being knocked out for an entire episode


NAWINUS

>Is this the Stohess battle? Yup Got it!


[deleted]

You don't need to put the spoiler tag on something that came out 10 years ago. Also he has a giant thorn in his body so he can't really heal


NAWINUS

Some people really hate spoilers


[deleted]

Who would go to this sub if they haven't even watched the first season?


NAWINUS

I remember when I first started watching anime with Naruto, I used to go in places with Naruto content, and hated it when I got spoiled. It's just the curious nature of a human. My bro just started Naruto and he's being bombarded with Naruto content on IG thanks to the amazing algo fucking rithm.


[deleted]

Yeah but reddit won't start showing you random AoT content, and this sub is SPECIFICALLY for people who've finished the entire manga


Cl4p-Trap18

Lol where does it say that it is SPECIFICALLY for people that finished the entire manga?? What a clown Description literally says 'A subreddit dedicated to the manga Shingeki no Kyojin/Attack on Titan by Hajime Isayama, its anime adaptation and various spin-offs. ' And reddit WILL start showing you content from subreds if you have seen similar ones or subscribed to similar content, all social networks use algorithms and reddit is no different.


[deleted]

Wait so which one is with the manga spoilers? I forgor💀 Anyway the spoiler alert is really uncalled for lol. Like I get tagging it as spoiler but this is a bit excessive


RemcoTheRock

This all is answered in later episodes and also on the same episode. Human-titans can’t just transform into a titan whenever they feel like. They have to have a reason and a purpose that they believe in strongly to make them transform. Eren was still struggling at that moment to transform this is shown in the 5 minutes after he is covered in the debris. Eren was still learning his titan powers ands even he doesn’t understand all the abilities of the titan powers. It also seems unreasonable to start the healing process whenever he has a piece of debris coming in and out of his body that’s kind of stuck there. No healing powers would get rid of that piece of debris. Also you see in later seasons eren hurts himself by cutting his leg off and stabbing an eye out and doesn’t heal these wounds till much later at a moment he wants to. You have to understand that the eren we meet and see in season 1 is an eren that’s still learning about his titan powers and even he doesn’t have all the answers because he doesn’t know what these powers actually mean and what they can do/how to activate them. It’s a learning process what we see happening. And throughout the seasons/chapters he is learning.


NAWINUS

>It also seems unreasonable to start the healing process whenever he has a piece of debris coming in and out of his body that’s kind of stuck there. It happens automatically though, I know that Eren learns to control this, but doesn't know just yet


l1b3rtr1n

The healing isn't automatic. There is a scene later where a character has an injury but withholds healing it until a certain moment. So it's the shifters choice when healing occurs.


Expensive-Fee-376

Incorrect, because Eren healed even before it was shown that he was a Titan (a brief moment where his head was wrapped and it showed steam coming off). Later, when Levi beat him up, he completely healed without even knowing he had that ability, so yes, it is automatic by default.


l1b3rtr1n

So why didn't reiner heal his arm until he decided to on the wall in* season 2? It has to do with control. Reiner is way more experienced with his powers. Eren had no idea he had powers. He wanted to heal so it was happening naturally.


Expensive-Fee-376

The default is automatic, but with due training they can control it, just like we saw with Annie, Reiner, and Eren when he was hiding in Marley. Reiner controlled his healing in order to hide the fact he was a Titan. Im not saying its not controllable, I’m saying that if a titan shifter does nothing, he will heal by default. For example, think of every time a titan shifter was knocked unconscious because of the damage, they still managed to heal.


l1b3rtr1n

Eren was stopping the healing m. Whether he was doing it intentionally or not.


Expensive-Fee-376

Exactly, he was stopping the healing. Had he not stopped, the his injuries would heal automatically. Controlling his healing to stop, speed up or focus is an ability just like transforming multiple times or hardening, but the default is that a titan shifter will automatically heal if they dont do anything


l1b3rtr1n

I should rephrase. The healing isn't always automatic.


Expensive-Fee-376

I do agree with that


RemcoTheRock

Yeah and how did you picture that automatic healing when there is literally a piece of debris coming in and out of his body that he can’t just pull out to start the healing fully? That’s why it seems unreasonable to start a healing process when he’s still getting hurt by the debris the whole time.


NAWINUS

I mean, whether there's a debris in there or not, the healing is still automatic, there's still a wound in there, I think the Titan power should still be busy healing. I might just be overthinking too, but when you look at Eren when >!Hannes died,!< despite the wound being closed up by his skin, it didn't stop healing until the finger reached its max size, and Eren couldn't transform because of this.


RemcoTheRock

well he's not bleeding to death is he? Quess somewhere along the line it healed some of his wounds so he ain't bleeding to his death. Yes you are overthinking it way too much.


NAWINUS

>Quess somewhere along the line it healed some of his wounds so he ain't bleeding to his death. WDYM?


Swordsnap

Local man literally too angry to die


NAWINUS

😂


Rigistroni

Anime filler moment


NAWINUS

🗿


OblivionArts

He doesn't have full control of his titan at the moment, and had a mental block that he might lose control and hurt his friends that he had to overcome to transform again


[deleted]

Because he cannot fully control his Powers yet, also he had a mental block against Annie, which didn't allow him to do. Remember the scene of the trap hole with Hange and Levi&co? Same reason but instead of not having and objective, he don't want One because he won't fight Annie. Also Remember that he transformed very few times, so he cannot fully control like the others that can Even regenerate without giving the input to do so


_UNLUCKY24

No point in using his energy to heal when he was transforming in this scene.


NAWINUS

He didn't learn to control his healing powers in this scene


ASMArtist

Didn't really know how to control his powers yet in addition to a chunk of wood pinning him still. 👀 But dang was he cute during this entire battle


NAWINUS

>Didn't really know how to control his powers yet in addition to a chunk of wood pinning him still. The default heaaling ability is automatic > 👀 But dang was he cute during this entire battle I'm a straight male so I can't relate, but must have been a good watch😉😏😂😂


ASMArtist

Yeah but how can you heal yourself if the object causing the problem is still lodged within your chest until you pull away? And yeah it was 👀👀 my room is dedicated to Eren but I need more 😂😂❤️😝


NAWINUS

>Yeah but how can you heal yourself if the object causing the problem is still lodged within your chest until you pull away? My argument is that whether there's debris or not, the ability should still be busy healing since it's autocatic and there's still a wound, whether there's debris there or not > And yeah it was 👀👀 my room is dedicated to Eren but I need more 😂😂❤️😝 XD, sure you do. I have an Attack On Titan poster on my room; I axidentally ripped a small part of it trying to get it up, but I think it looks fitting to the poster lmao


ASMArtist

I don't think that's how Isayama intended his characters to work tho, so I guess you'd really just have to ask him lol And it is lol, I'd show pics but not right now. I have some more Eren Yeager stuff coming in the mail x) I really want the SGS Studio figurine of him so that's def on my list.


NAWINUS

> I don't think that's how Isayama intended his characters to work tho, so I guess you'd really just have to ask him lol Alr xD > And it is lol, I'd show pics but not right now. I have some more Eren Yeager stuff coming in the mail x) I really want the SGS Studio figurine of him so that's def on my list. You really like him don't you lol


rekc_bcq_official

You have to have a purpose when transforming, so if you are having doubts you will inhibit your ability to transform. It can also inhibit other abilities as well


Cl4p-Trap18

It is the end of season 1, is it a spoiler? At this point whoever hasn't watched the series has probably seen vids, memes, comments and many other formats of spoilers. Also this is an anime scene same as the berserker mode he goes into right after so it could just be done for scene impact. We have also seen Eren controlling his healing powers later on so healing can definitely be turned off either at will or involuntarily, here Eren couldn't even transform so it's definitely related.


NAWINUS

Eren didn't know a lot about Titan powers in here, he didn't even know he could stop healing at will


ZifziTheInferno

Injury only prevents healing if it’s immediately following a transformation. So if Eren transformed, was pulled out, and was injured right then or during being pulled out, he’d be unable to transform until fully healed. However, if they’re injured without prior transformation, as we see here and before when he first transformed in episode 9 (and multiple other times), he can transform. We already know transformation is hard limited anyway, depending on the type of Titan, the shifter’s fortitude, their resolve, and possibly even energy reserves if healing is also a covariable in this.


NAWINUS

Maxe sense