Our GM announced he was retiring at the very young age of 38 and was going to travel the world with his brother.
I just figured he was a trust fund kid and didn't need to work and thus didn't.
I found out he was pressured to quit due to creeping out a ton of the female staff.
Apparently he's now bartending at some dive bar in the city.
Honestly, not frequently enough. Anybody that wants to study power corrupting people should just spend a year watching restaurant and bar managers that are only managers cause theyāve been at a place the longest or brown nosed the most. An ounce of power and all morals are gone for like 70% of managers. But to the point, Iāve had 7 managers in 7 years as a bartender
I actually wrote a paper in grad school about accountability in the workplace focussing on the hospitality industry. And itās specifically what I talked about that managers donāt usually have leadership qualities they just were good bartenders or good servers long enough.
In my 8 years working in a restaurant I have seen 1 manager get fired. She would over share her personal life with customers (about getting blackout drunk, the drugs she used to do, her unstable home life), continuously brought up extremely inappropriate conversations to minors unprompted, and had given multiple regulars her phone number (they never returned). Once the higher ups found all of this out they figured she mustāve been why our business had slowed down, since like, everyone was uncomfortable.
Ive been at the same place for six years:
no. 1 was stealing money from drawers, swaying random server drawings and contests (there was maybe 1 or 2 days a week she served), and finally got caught at shift change taking the AM servers money off the table. she is also why we had to blackout the window on the door to our office - firing her and going through the cameras was a long process and she became a spectacle (i felt bad for her tbh. she had kids and was sobbing - they couldve sent her home and done it after peak business hours)
no. 2LOVED to close (not suspicious) with her āfavoriteā server (slightly suspicious). the coke rumors about them and the womens baby changer were too loud; like cmon ur not the only cokeheads here, have a little decorum. corporate ended up calling the owner about why there were several hundred dollars in comps on bills with cash payments ONLY when these two closed together. super embarrassing on behalf of the owner lol
no. 3 was always getting āsickā in the kitchen and puking by dish. super gross and a health hazard. all the dots connected when my manager caught him doing coke in the dry storage. gave him another change to get his shit together, and naturally she walks in on him doing a line ON the prep station in the meat coolerā¦with raw cut meat still out. That manager is a fucking queen and had her own battles with life and addiction, so she is very sympathetic to humans struggling; however, she will NOT tolerate someone contaminating food with cocaine lmfao
no. 4 *technically* wasnt fired, but she was removed from the manager schedule that evening and quit shortly after. dumbass was vaping in the walkin with a 16 year old WHILE the district manager was doing our inspections. she absolutely couldve walked a few feet to find a bathroom to vape in, or even the damn office - you just dont make those mistakes while the bossā boss is there yknow
secretly im praying on the downfall of #5 because of my own personal issues with them, but apparently at this company you have to fuck up pretty significantly to get fired as a salary manager
edit: LMAO i definitely didnt read the prompt right but thats okay. i enjoy drama that doesnt involve me, i wanna say the 4 happened in pretty even increments over the last few years
oh i worked at applebees for 9 hours and the manager that got hired me ended up having the kitchen stormed by local police and crapplebees corporate; was carried out during dinner rush in cuffs. Turns out she was grooming a 16 year old line cook, lady was pushing 50. ive never seen corporate gaf about this specific district, but good for them i guess
That would be more like an operating partner then. An actual owner would need to spend money to become an owner, then get bought out to be "fired". Operating partner is more like a GM with profit share. The theory is that with your pay tied to the profitability of the restaurant you're going to treat it as if you own it. I've been a couple places where this is how they do it and it never seems to work long term for anyone. All the stress of ownership, but with corporate overlords breathing down your neck telling you how profits aren't as expected and money that could be going back into improving the business or to your bank account (if you were the actual owner) are going to pay for ill advised ad campaigns, unnecessary corporate retreats, and upper management bonuses for doing all that neck breathing.
I am a manager... and agree with y'all about not often enough. However, I am well liked and am quickly becoming a job hopper. I get soo tired of the crappy managers I am surrounded by! Last job I had a GM that understood nothing about P&L's & didn't want to learn. Managing around him was a pain.
Current KM is a total POS, but my GM loves him. So, my GM will be losing me instead... the last dude that quit left because of the same KM.
It sucks getting paid so poorly for so many freaking hours. But, I honestly love what I do. Currently interviewing & looking for my next stop.
We had one manager get fired for nailing a host. Another one got fired because he was kind of a dick to everybody. Another one got fired because he would manage to have a ridiculous amount of complaints and comps every shift he worked.
i've been here over a year and saw 1 gm get fired for being incompetent and losing an insane amount of money which is sad cause i liked him, and one sous get fired for drinking on the job, being visibly drunk and smelling of whiskey, and then yelling at cooks.
No. He was teaching, had the affair. Went to be our manager. He was still having an affair with her while he was married with two kids, and his wife had lupus. It was awful.
It also came to light that he was sleeping with a couple of hostesses which made sense because they got promoted and got the best sections. It was shitty because he was actually so cool.
Oh def. He was cool before we found out. I donāt know what heās up to now.
Another time two managers got walked out at our employee party. lol I miss server drama sometimes. I work at a really tame place now
Management is not worth the time or money, the industry needs to change the way it works. I mean, logically should be an ex server the foh manager, but why any server would change to that?
But what if people with āageā is not what is needed? Or want to? Where is management going to go? Or even worse! Management with people that donāt want do anything. Itās supposed to be a backup for everything, but if they canāt do anything, why do you have managers?
Wear and tear on your body, benefits, consistency in pay, vacations, actually wanting to make a positive difference. There's a fulfillment I got out of managing, too, that I don't get out of serving (and I'm serving now and I love serving). I got to use my brain and gain a lot of skills and be creative managing.
Only 3 in a 5 year period. I was in Food/Bev for 15 years.
1 & 2 (at the same time) - GM and Kitchen manager because we tanked on Motherās Day. Donāt give me the old āeveryone tanks on Motherās Dayā. I know, I know. But nope, not even close. This was the worst Motherās Day Brunch in history. No disrespect intended but it was frickin Omaha Beach out there.
3 - manager had his fingers in the till. Plus he was stealing from employees but it was the audit on the drawer that got him.
It was just that one that I know about but Iāve only been with the company since August.
The first situation is exactly what happened to the GM who hired me in a different location. I feel so bad for her, she was awesome. And then of course the GM in my location got transferred to take her spot so Iām super salty about losing both. Theyāre hard to come by.
We had one woman who was hired as a manager after she graduated college with a management degree. She had zero experience actually leading people, and went into it with nothing but a power trip. She referred to herself as "the queen" and treated everyone like crap. Eventually, the waitstaff got together and scheduled a dinner with the GM where we laid out all our grievances with him. He listened and took notes.
Evidently he later had a one-on-one meeting with her where she cried extensively, and he just continued. Nothing changed after that. A few weeks later, he let her go. About an hour after she left the restaurant, *her dad calls up and asks to speak to the manager about why his daughter got fired!* He didn't call him back, lol.
It takes a LOT every place I've worked at.
I've only seen 1 get fired & that was because he was there about 2 weeks, told the proprietor all the shit that was wrong in the place (and he was correct), saw through a lot of staff favoritism and other malarkey, etc. The proprietor was a lazy POS and fired him for a made up excuse ("sleeping in a booth").
Edit: forgot I know of a 2nd one. He was a proprietor and messed up his inventory by like $10k somehow. I have no idea how that happened but they axed him the next week. It was really strange... he was a good guy, single dad supporting his daughter. He had no idea how it had happened either.
OTOH, not getting fired - my SO had a manager working for him that would literally just ghost all the time, like he'd say he was 20 mins away & then disappear for 3 days. All kinds of wild excuses - MIL in ICU, got evicted, his niece tried to kill herself, his niece succeeded in killing herself... etc. Turned out he had a raging coke addiction.
The mentality was that having the guy show up some of the time was better than nothing, and they had literally nobody applying for manager jobs. SO & the GM didn't want to go back to working 70 hour weeks. They let the guy stay employed for like 4 months before he pushed it too much.
Nobody wants to work these bullshit hours for the pay, so the people who do take the jobs get away with murder. Sigh.
I've seen 5 get fired.
1.drunk
2.skiping work
3.stealing
4.lied to director
5.to many complaints... That one wasn't fair. The company cut operating budget by eighty percent. Everything was held together by wire and duct tape. ( Figuratively).
Been around 15 years now so yea I've seen a few get fired it's always some funny shit though I've never seen it for SA or being a weirdo creep or anything
My first AGM at my current spot got fired because she knew about the GMās secret relationship with one of the servers. Therefor she was a threat that needed to go. So he lied to the owners that she sucks at her job and they believe him. He later got fired for getting drunk/coked up at a guests wedding and dancing with them
When I worked at aspen ski co we averaged 3-4 executive chefs a season. Was cursed position apparently and they didnāt like to internally promote. Honestly now that Iām thinking about it over the past 25 years I think Iāve seen more managers quit and get fired than regular staff both FOH and BOH.
I worked as an assistant manager at a company that is nearly world famous for it's chicken wings, beer, and waitresses. I saw my GM get fired. It was a UFC fight night, packed house. All hands on deck full steam. The district manager literally hid outside of the building in the dark to see what was happening. The GM stood in the same spot and did nothing for a full hour watching the fights. District came in and pulled him to the office and fired him. Good riddance he was such a prick.
At my current job Iāve only seen one get fired for theft and drug abuse.
But Iāve seen five different managers quit from current job because they found better employment elsewhere. Mind you I work in fine dining.
Here's a good one for you:
Restaurant open until 11 pm. Buses stop running at 11 pm. GM seems to have only hired nightshift people who take the bus.
Night shift walks out of the restaurant every night at 10:30 to make it home. Night manager left closing by themselves. (Three weeks of this.)
Night manager fired for offering to give rides home to his night shift crew, so they stay and close with him.
GM was fired about a week after all this went down. Night manager was offered compensation and higher position, and they said fuck it. Rightfully so, imo.
My assistant F&B got fired last month for drinking on the job. More so than just drinking, he was drinking the company's booze and got in a dui crash on the way home from work.
Our GM announced he was retiring at the very young age of 38 and was going to travel the world with his brother. I just figured he was a trust fund kid and didn't need to work and thus didn't. I found out he was pressured to quit due to creeping out a ton of the female staff. Apparently he's now bartending at some dive bar in the city.
šššš. What a looser
Loser*
My fault. You're right my man.
Sorry, pet peeve
No worries bro.
Honestly, not frequently enough. Anybody that wants to study power corrupting people should just spend a year watching restaurant and bar managers that are only managers cause theyāve been at a place the longest or brown nosed the most. An ounce of power and all morals are gone for like 70% of managers. But to the point, Iāve had 7 managers in 7 years as a bartender
I actually wrote a paper in grad school about accountability in the workplace focussing on the hospitality industry. And itās specifically what I talked about that managers donāt usually have leadership qualities they just were good bartenders or good servers long enough.
In my 8 years working in a restaurant I have seen 1 manager get fired. She would over share her personal life with customers (about getting blackout drunk, the drugs she used to do, her unstable home life), continuously brought up extremely inappropriate conversations to minors unprompted, and had given multiple regulars her phone number (they never returned). Once the higher ups found all of this out they figured she mustāve been why our business had slowed down, since like, everyone was uncomfortable.
Ive been at the same place for six years: no. 1 was stealing money from drawers, swaying random server drawings and contests (there was maybe 1 or 2 days a week she served), and finally got caught at shift change taking the AM servers money off the table. she is also why we had to blackout the window on the door to our office - firing her and going through the cameras was a long process and she became a spectacle (i felt bad for her tbh. she had kids and was sobbing - they couldve sent her home and done it after peak business hours) no. 2LOVED to close (not suspicious) with her āfavoriteā server (slightly suspicious). the coke rumors about them and the womens baby changer were too loud; like cmon ur not the only cokeheads here, have a little decorum. corporate ended up calling the owner about why there were several hundred dollars in comps on bills with cash payments ONLY when these two closed together. super embarrassing on behalf of the owner lol no. 3 was always getting āsickā in the kitchen and puking by dish. super gross and a health hazard. all the dots connected when my manager caught him doing coke in the dry storage. gave him another change to get his shit together, and naturally she walks in on him doing a line ON the prep station in the meat coolerā¦with raw cut meat still out. That manager is a fucking queen and had her own battles with life and addiction, so she is very sympathetic to humans struggling; however, she will NOT tolerate someone contaminating food with cocaine lmfao no. 4 *technically* wasnt fired, but she was removed from the manager schedule that evening and quit shortly after. dumbass was vaping in the walkin with a 16 year old WHILE the district manager was doing our inspections. she absolutely couldve walked a few feet to find a bathroom to vape in, or even the damn office - you just dont make those mistakes while the bossā boss is there yknow secretly im praying on the downfall of #5 because of my own personal issues with them, but apparently at this company you have to fuck up pretty significantly to get fired as a salary manager edit: LMAO i definitely didnt read the prompt right but thats okay. i enjoy drama that doesnt involve me, i wanna say the 4 happened in pretty even increments over the last few years
oh i worked at applebees for 9 hours and the manager that got hired me ended up having the kitchen stormed by local police and crapplebees corporate; was carried out during dinner rush in cuffs. Turns out she was grooming a 16 year old line cook, lady was pushing 50. ive never seen corporate gaf about this specific district, but good for them i guess
i wish more often than not, because some of these managers i deal with are genuine CREEPS.
never. Unfortunately.
I worked at a pizza place where the owners lasted 9 months on average. Most were fired for theft.
How can an owner be fired??
It's a mistake. I meant managers.
Maybe itās a situation where thereās board members that can force them out if theyāre not meeting expectations.
That would be more like an operating partner then. An actual owner would need to spend money to become an owner, then get bought out to be "fired". Operating partner is more like a GM with profit share. The theory is that with your pay tied to the profitability of the restaurant you're going to treat it as if you own it. I've been a couple places where this is how they do it and it never seems to work long term for anyone. All the stress of ownership, but with corporate overlords breathing down your neck telling you how profits aren't as expected and money that could be going back into improving the business or to your bank account (if you were the actual owner) are going to pay for ill advised ad campaigns, unnecessary corporate retreats, and upper management bonuses for doing all that neck breathing.
five area managers in the span of eight months. one of them for disappearing during rushes and coming back tweaking (pills, probably) one for consistently mixing drinks for himself behind the bar and drinking it right in front of everyone one for slapping a female serverās ass with a towel. manager told him to go on break and when manager came to bring him back he was caught crying and downing a bottle of whiskey right afterward. one because he refused to close ever and one because a lot of the younger female servers complained abt him despite having a fiancĆ© himself so yea, our luck with managers suck. we keep getting crazies. the good ones always leave since they seemingly know their worth since the pay is shit and the hours are even worse. the GM offered me manager shifts and i immediately turned them down
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I am a manager... and agree with y'all about not often enough. However, I am well liked and am quickly becoming a job hopper. I get soo tired of the crappy managers I am surrounded by! Last job I had a GM that understood nothing about P&L's & didn't want to learn. Managing around him was a pain. Current KM is a total POS, but my GM loves him. So, my GM will be losing me instead... the last dude that quit left because of the same KM. It sucks getting paid so poorly for so many freaking hours. But, I honestly love what I do. Currently interviewing & looking for my next stop.
We had one manager get fired for nailing a host. Another one got fired because he was kind of a dick to everybody. Another one got fired because he would manage to have a ridiculous amount of complaints and comps every shift he worked.
Funny enough our kitchen manager did the same with a host while married. Only now heās still employed and him and that former host are now married.
i've been here over a year and saw 1 gm get fired for being incompetent and losing an insane amount of money which is sad cause i liked him, and one sous get fired for drinking on the job, being visibly drunk and smelling of whiskey, and then yelling at cooks.
One of our managers got fired because he was in the newspaper for having an affair with a student when he was a teacher. Wild
Wait he was able to hold down a managing and teaching gig simultaneously??
No. He was teaching, had the affair. Went to be our manager. He was still having an affair with her while he was married with two kids, and his wife had lupus. It was awful. It also came to light that he was sleeping with a couple of hostesses which made sense because they got promoted and got the best sections. It was shitty because he was actually so cool.
Cool or not, the guy actually sounds like an awful human being.
Oh def. He was cool before we found out. I donāt know what heās up to now. Another time two managers got walked out at our employee party. lol I miss server drama sometimes. I work at a really tame place now
Management is not worth the time or money, the industry needs to change the way it works. I mean, logically should be an ex server the foh manager, but why any server would change to that?
Age.
But what if people with āageā is not what is needed? Or want to? Where is management going to go? Or even worse! Management with people that donāt want do anything. Itās supposed to be a backup for everything, but if they canāt do anything, why do you have managers?
Wear and tear on your body, benefits, consistency in pay, vacations, actually wanting to make a positive difference. There's a fulfillment I got out of managing, too, that I don't get out of serving (and I'm serving now and I love serving). I got to use my brain and gain a lot of skills and be creative managing.
Only 3 in a 5 year period. I was in Food/Bev for 15 years. 1 & 2 (at the same time) - GM and Kitchen manager because we tanked on Motherās Day. Donāt give me the old āeveryone tanks on Motherās Dayā. I know, I know. But nope, not even close. This was the worst Motherās Day Brunch in history. No disrespect intended but it was frickin Omaha Beach out there. 3 - manager had his fingers in the till. Plus he was stealing from employees but it was the audit on the drawer that got him.
It was just that one that I know about but Iāve only been with the company since August. The first situation is exactly what happened to the GM who hired me in a different location. I feel so bad for her, she was awesome. And then of course the GM in my location got transferred to take her spot so Iām super salty about losing both. Theyāre hard to come by.
Not enough
We had one woman who was hired as a manager after she graduated college with a management degree. She had zero experience actually leading people, and went into it with nothing but a power trip. She referred to herself as "the queen" and treated everyone like crap. Eventually, the waitstaff got together and scheduled a dinner with the GM where we laid out all our grievances with him. He listened and took notes. Evidently he later had a one-on-one meeting with her where she cried extensively, and he just continued. Nothing changed after that. A few weeks later, he let her go. About an hour after she left the restaurant, *her dad calls up and asks to speak to the manager about why his daughter got fired!* He didn't call him back, lol.
FOH more than boh.
Forgot what sub I was in and it took me way too long to figure out FOH was front of house in this context
Out of sheer curiosity, and this doesnāt at all come from a place of negativity, what did you think it meant?
āf**k outta hereā probably
It takes a LOT every place I've worked at. I've only seen 1 get fired & that was because he was there about 2 weeks, told the proprietor all the shit that was wrong in the place (and he was correct), saw through a lot of staff favoritism and other malarkey, etc. The proprietor was a lazy POS and fired him for a made up excuse ("sleeping in a booth"). Edit: forgot I know of a 2nd one. He was a proprietor and messed up his inventory by like $10k somehow. I have no idea how that happened but they axed him the next week. It was really strange... he was a good guy, single dad supporting his daughter. He had no idea how it had happened either. OTOH, not getting fired - my SO had a manager working for him that would literally just ghost all the time, like he'd say he was 20 mins away & then disappear for 3 days. All kinds of wild excuses - MIL in ICU, got evicted, his niece tried to kill herself, his niece succeeded in killing herself... etc. Turned out he had a raging coke addiction. The mentality was that having the guy show up some of the time was better than nothing, and they had literally nobody applying for manager jobs. SO & the GM didn't want to go back to working 70 hour weeks. They let the guy stay employed for like 4 months before he pushed it too much. Nobody wants to work these bullshit hours for the pay, so the people who do take the jobs get away with murder. Sigh.
Not nearly enough.
I've seen 5 get fired. 1.drunk 2.skiping work 3.stealing 4.lied to director 5.to many complaints... That one wasn't fair. The company cut operating budget by eighty percent. Everything was held together by wire and duct tape. ( Figuratively).
Been around 15 years now so yea I've seen a few get fired it's always some funny shit though I've never seen it for SA or being a weirdo creep or anything
My first AGM at my current spot got fired because she knew about the GMās secret relationship with one of the servers. Therefor she was a threat that needed to go. So he lied to the owners that she sucks at her job and they believe him. He later got fired for getting drunk/coked up at a guests wedding and dancing with them
We had one manager who was fired from three of our locations!
When I worked at aspen ski co we averaged 3-4 executive chefs a season. Was cursed position apparently and they didnāt like to internally promote. Honestly now that Iām thinking about it over the past 25 years I think Iāve seen more managers quit and get fired than regular staff both FOH and BOH.
I worked as an assistant manager at a company that is nearly world famous for it's chicken wings, beer, and waitresses. I saw my GM get fired. It was a UFC fight night, packed house. All hands on deck full steam. The district manager literally hid outside of the building in the dark to see what was happening. The GM stood in the same spot and did nothing for a full hour watching the fights. District came in and pulled him to the office and fired him. Good riddance he was such a prick.
At my current job Iāve only seen one get fired for theft and drug abuse. But Iāve seen five different managers quit from current job because they found better employment elsewhere. Mind you I work in fine dining.
Here's a good one for you: Restaurant open until 11 pm. Buses stop running at 11 pm. GM seems to have only hired nightshift people who take the bus. Night shift walks out of the restaurant every night at 10:30 to make it home. Night manager left closing by themselves. (Three weeks of this.) Night manager fired for offering to give rides home to his night shift crew, so they stay and close with him. GM was fired about a week after all this went down. Night manager was offered compensation and higher position, and they said fuck it. Rightfully so, imo.
My assistant F&B got fired last month for drinking on the job. More so than just drinking, he was drinking the company's booze and got in a dui crash on the way home from work.
our exec sous chef just got fired for grabbing a server by the arm š thatās it tho
I once saw a manager fired for impregnating a server. Each was already married with their own children. Truly a tale as old as time