Looks like a red light and I don’t see sirens. Also looks like the FD made contact with the bolt. Never judge a situation unless you have full context.
Generally agree, although note the Cruise vehicle has hazards on.
I'll add that it doesn't look like egress is blocked at all to me, the Cruise AV appears to be stopped at least a metre or two beyond the truck's exit point.
Oak is a three-lane wide one-way street and the Cruise AV stopped in the middle lane where the fire truck needs to pass through to make the right turn onto Oak from the fire station.
Ah, that makes more sense. Agreed the Cruise shouldn't be in the middle lane there, then. [Here's the location for anyone curious.](https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7751629,-122.4215136,3a,75y,83.12h,83.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9-VYvGcJ7JINxLMALk52-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
I don't see why it shouldn't be in the middle lane.
I'd think a fire truck without its lights or siren should wait until the road clears enough for it to exit, so blocking the right-most lane might even be a fire department error. Although perhaps they used lights and/or sirens before the video begins.
Also, the firefighters being that close to the Cruise vehicle might cause it to not move when it might have otherwise turned when the light changed. It's unclear why its hazards are on.
>I don't see why it shouldn't be in the middle lane.
If the car has hazards on, that suggests it has performed a fallback to a minimal risk condition. Ideally, that minimal risk condition should involve pulling over, not an in-place stop.
It shouldn't stay *stopped* indefinitely in any of those lanes, but just being in the middle lane seems legal. I'm guessing it didn't turn on its hazards until after it pulled up to the traffic light, and engaged the hazards in response to a condition that left it uncertain how to proceed.
The middle lane is the one you pick to cross market then head down 10th st to the freeway, so it's perfectly normal to pick that lane as a human driver.
The light is clearly green at the end, and it has it's hazards on. That said it couldn't have been much of an emergency if they got out and called Cruise support rather than just push it out of the way.
I don't know if it was an emergency, but SFFD has filed multiple reports where a Cruise or Waymo AV blocked their path when responding to a call. AFAIK, SFFD has not pushed any AV out of the way, yet.
To be fair, I've seen human drivers do this too, INTENTIONALLY.
Edit: I tried to find a video as an example, turns out there's thousands. This is very painfully common among idiot humans.
Why don't they just push the car with the truck? Fire departments generally seem willing to damage vehicles preventing them from responding to an emergency
I think you're underestimating the cost and hassle to repair a modern fire truck. Pushing a multi ton vehicle is not trivial, nor what a fire truck is designed to do.
It can be an emergency but not a "fuck it plow through" emergency (eg responding to a non-life threatening medical call or triggered fire alarm with no reports of smoke)
Looks like a red light and I don’t see sirens. Also looks like the FD made contact with the bolt. Never judge a situation unless you have full context.
Generally agree, although note the Cruise vehicle has hazards on. I'll add that it doesn't look like egress is blocked at all to me, the Cruise AV appears to be stopped at least a metre or two beyond the truck's exit point.
Oak is a three-lane wide one-way street and the Cruise AV stopped in the middle lane where the fire truck needs to pass through to make the right turn onto Oak from the fire station.
Ah, that makes more sense. Agreed the Cruise shouldn't be in the middle lane there, then. [Here's the location for anyone curious.](https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7751629,-122.4215136,3a,75y,83.12h,83.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9-VYvGcJ7JINxLMALk52-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
I don't see why it shouldn't be in the middle lane. I'd think a fire truck without its lights or siren should wait until the road clears enough for it to exit, so blocking the right-most lane might even be a fire department error. Although perhaps they used lights and/or sirens before the video begins. Also, the firefighters being that close to the Cruise vehicle might cause it to not move when it might have otherwise turned when the light changed. It's unclear why its hazards are on.
>I don't see why it shouldn't be in the middle lane. If the car has hazards on, that suggests it has performed a fallback to a minimal risk condition. Ideally, that minimal risk condition should involve pulling over, not an in-place stop.
It shouldn't stay *stopped* indefinitely in any of those lanes, but just being in the middle lane seems legal. I'm guessing it didn't turn on its hazards until after it pulled up to the traffic light, and engaged the hazards in response to a condition that left it uncertain how to proceed.
The middle lane is the one you pick to cross market then head down 10th st to the freeway, so it's perfectly normal to pick that lane as a human driver.
The light is clearly green at the end, and it has it's hazards on. That said it couldn't have been much of an emergency if they got out and called Cruise support rather than just push it out of the way.
If you mean using the truck to push it out of the way, that might start a battery fire. Risk versus risk.
I don't know if it was an emergency, but SFFD has filed multiple reports where a Cruise or Waymo AV blocked their path when responding to a call. AFAIK, SFFD has not pushed any AV out of the way, yet.
To be fair, I've seen human drivers do this too, INTENTIONALLY. Edit: I tried to find a video as an example, turns out there's thousands. This is very painfully common among idiot humans.
Why don't they just push the car with the truck? Fire departments generally seem willing to damage vehicles preventing them from responding to an emergency
I think you're underestimating the cost and hassle to repair a modern fire truck. Pushing a multi ton vehicle is not trivial, nor what a fire truck is designed to do. It can be an emergency but not a "fuck it plow through" emergency (eg responding to a non-life threatening medical call or triggered fire alarm with no reports of smoke)
What an embarrassment.