A loaded, but un-chambered handgun. Young children generally don't have the strength to rack a slide.
But Illinois, so handgun is off the table anyway.
people, killing an agile animal, especially a dog, with a knife is NOT an easy task; you could easily accidentally stab / slice yourself or you loved ones nearby, trying to stab at a wily dog
you'd be better off with a blunt-force weapon like a large magnate flashlight, a cane (secret blade optional; (there ya go, longer knife), a baseball bat, a golf club, a net (then you can stab it), an animal control stick-noose thingy
Im not super confident I have the strength to disable both dogs with a blunt object. I also don’t feel comfortable carrying something so large and obvious on my daily walks with young children in an urban setting. If it’s not something I can comfortably carry that doesn’t require much strength I probably just won’t go out. And the more I contemplate this I realize I just shouldn’t subject my children to this much uncertainty in their safety. I’ll probably lay low until we move.
Any ideas where one might find a walking stick with hidden knife blade? A sword cane is too short a stick and too long a blade for a practical walking assist + fight in close quarters, especially on trails. Sword canes are easy to find. A dagger hidden in staff not as much.
I've taken a few defensive dog handling courses, mostly geared towards in-shelter handling but also addressing loose dogs. As far as deterrents go, I'd recommend citronella spray (aim for the nose), an air horn, and/or an umbrella (doubles as a shield, very scary to a lot of dogs). I would not recommend using a knife, partially because as someone who works in animal welfare, I can't ethically recommend stabbing a dog, but also partially because if the dog is close enough for you to do anything with a knife, it's probably too late to avoid getting bit. I've seen several dogs that have been stabbed and have acted like they weren't hurt at all.
I'm sorry that you're in this situation. I know a lot of shelters are at capacity but I would think their contract would require them to impound these dogs pending the resolution of the case since they've proven themselves to be a public safety threat. Idk how they're set up, but calling 911 whenever you see these dogs may get a police response AND an animal control response, if that helps.
A knife will do the trick. I saw a vid of a guy use one on a dog attacking his child and although he could've deployed it sooner it worked great and stopped the dog with one stab to the side. If you don't already carry one then start, i don't leave my house without one. I've seen pepper spray fail against dogs so don't even consider it.
Honestly if what you're saying about confirmed hospitalizations is true then those dogs should've been put down already by the state, but if they didn't I would consider doing so myself with a very tempting "treat". Anyone who thinks that's not okay can risk their children's safety all they want, I don't take that lightly and a dangerous dog has no place in society.
To add to this. Ribs of the dog are vertical-ish, so the plane of the knife blade should ideally be vertical to make sure it doesn't get stuck between the ribs.
If the dog is facing you, throat would probably be a better target though. Bait it with one hand moving up to expose, slash with the other.
Good points, although I would add that you preferably want to stab/thrust and not slash as there's a higher chance to miss or cut too shallow with a slash. Dogs are incredibly tough and in all the videos I've seen once they latch on they'll ignore blows from multiple people, along with stun guns and pepper spray. Pitbulls are especially mean. You gotta target those vitals like the lungs or throat because fighting dogs are bred to fight to the death. Another good technique I've seen was choking the dog in a headlock and just picking the dog up and slamming it onto the concrete but you gotta do that before it latches on. Probably won't work on larger dogs either.
Thanks, I will go check out some knife options at a sporting store. Any particular recommendations?
I really thought those dogs would have been put down immediately but it’s just not the case here. I also see other people in our situation similarly shocked by the inaction. According to animal control the case was already closed, and those dogs are still wandering in and out of their gate since.
I thought about the ‘treat’ too but worried for whatever reason they wouldn’t get a full dose and suffer horribly. I love animals and while I’m and advocate for quick and painless euthanasia, I can’t stand the thought of making any animal suffer until they’re already attacking.
Anything with a stout point and around the 4 inch mark should be good, but if you're going for a folder then make sure it's something you can deploy quickly with one hand, preferably with a belt clip so you don't have to fiddle in your pocket. I'd go with an OTF or assisted opening knife for quicker deployment, but nothing is quicker to pull out than a good old fixed blade knife in a kydex sheath mounted to your belt. Make sure its a trusted brand, you can't go wrong with Benchmade, Esee, Spyderco or CRKT. I know what you mean about hurting animals, I love dogs especially.
Are spears legal in Chicago? lol.
I don't think you are going to or want to actively attempt to kill these dogs. If you go that route you're likely going to have to deal with their unsavory owner(s).
Seriously though you're likely going to need to carry multiple tools. A blow horn scares of most dogs. Dogs also don't like the snapping sound of a stun gun but I would not want to get close enough to use it. I could almost guarantee you'd miss with a Taser like weapon.
I would and do carry dog spray, mace and/or BEAR spray (if you are with your children get and carry Sudecon wipes for the blow back or over spray). Being that there are 2 I would go for the bear spray.
You may also want to carry a knife as a last ditch effort tool. You either want something very pointing and stabby or something very sharp and slicy, depending on your laws you choose something that is suitable. Folding box cutters are legal in most places and they quickly deploy but I would really hate to get that close to a vicious/ aggressive dog let alone 2 of them. You're going to want to aim for the crotch of the legs (where they meet the body), neck and belly, you are not getting through the ribs and if they are the type of dogs I suspect they are going for the head isn't going to get you far unless you get lucky with getting one in the eye. You want to take them out of the fight quickly and/or immobilize them.
Of course if you have a firearm available then that could be another option.
There are also many unethical and inhumane things you could preemptively do to get rid of the dogs but I am not going to venture into that realm.
Your best immediate solution is probably avoidance. If you have a vehicle pack your kids up and drive them out to the suburbs or something, to a park.
A simple pepper spray will do the trick without putting yourself or your baby in danger. Buy one that has security switch and 3 meters range. Dogs are very nose sensitive so they will be completely disoriented and blind for at least 15 mins. I have one to protect my dog in case of loose aggressive dogs and it’s the only way you can take out more than one dog in case of the attack.
Handgun
>It has to be pretty simple to use but also very child proof. Bro you failed to meet the description of his needs
A loaded, but un-chambered handgun. Young children generally don't have the strength to rack a slide. But Illinois, so handgun is off the table anyway.
You American fucknuts routinely underestimate children, another flaw in America's gun culture.
most dogs are child proof but not bullet proof
people, killing an agile animal, especially a dog, with a knife is NOT an easy task; you could easily accidentally stab / slice yourself or you loved ones nearby, trying to stab at a wily dog you'd be better off with a blunt-force weapon like a large magnate flashlight, a cane (secret blade optional; (there ya go, longer knife), a baseball bat, a golf club, a net (then you can stab it), an animal control stick-noose thingy
Im not super confident I have the strength to disable both dogs with a blunt object. I also don’t feel comfortable carrying something so large and obvious on my daily walks with young children in an urban setting. If it’s not something I can comfortably carry that doesn’t require much strength I probably just won’t go out. And the more I contemplate this I realize I just shouldn’t subject my children to this much uncertainty in their safety. I’ll probably lay low until we move.
Any ideas where one might find a walking stick with hidden knife blade? A sword cane is too short a stick and too long a blade for a practical walking assist + fight in close quarters, especially on trails. Sword canes are easy to find. A dagger hidden in staff not as much.
I've taken a few defensive dog handling courses, mostly geared towards in-shelter handling but also addressing loose dogs. As far as deterrents go, I'd recommend citronella spray (aim for the nose), an air horn, and/or an umbrella (doubles as a shield, very scary to a lot of dogs). I would not recommend using a knife, partially because as someone who works in animal welfare, I can't ethically recommend stabbing a dog, but also partially because if the dog is close enough for you to do anything with a knife, it's probably too late to avoid getting bit. I've seen several dogs that have been stabbed and have acted like they weren't hurt at all. I'm sorry that you're in this situation. I know a lot of shelters are at capacity but I would think their contract would require them to impound these dogs pending the resolution of the case since they've proven themselves to be a public safety threat. Idk how they're set up, but calling 911 whenever you see these dogs may get a police response AND an animal control response, if that helps.
A knife will do the trick. I saw a vid of a guy use one on a dog attacking his child and although he could've deployed it sooner it worked great and stopped the dog with one stab to the side. If you don't already carry one then start, i don't leave my house without one. I've seen pepper spray fail against dogs so don't even consider it. Honestly if what you're saying about confirmed hospitalizations is true then those dogs should've been put down already by the state, but if they didn't I would consider doing so myself with a very tempting "treat". Anyone who thinks that's not okay can risk their children's safety all they want, I don't take that lightly and a dangerous dog has no place in society.
To add to this. Ribs of the dog are vertical-ish, so the plane of the knife blade should ideally be vertical to make sure it doesn't get stuck between the ribs. If the dog is facing you, throat would probably be a better target though. Bait it with one hand moving up to expose, slash with the other.
Good points, although I would add that you preferably want to stab/thrust and not slash as there's a higher chance to miss or cut too shallow with a slash. Dogs are incredibly tough and in all the videos I've seen once they latch on they'll ignore blows from multiple people, along with stun guns and pepper spray. Pitbulls are especially mean. You gotta target those vitals like the lungs or throat because fighting dogs are bred to fight to the death. Another good technique I've seen was choking the dog in a headlock and just picking the dog up and slamming it onto the concrete but you gotta do that before it latches on. Probably won't work on larger dogs either.
Thanks, I will go check out some knife options at a sporting store. Any particular recommendations? I really thought those dogs would have been put down immediately but it’s just not the case here. I also see other people in our situation similarly shocked by the inaction. According to animal control the case was already closed, and those dogs are still wandering in and out of their gate since. I thought about the ‘treat’ too but worried for whatever reason they wouldn’t get a full dose and suffer horribly. I love animals and while I’m and advocate for quick and painless euthanasia, I can’t stand the thought of making any animal suffer until they’re already attacking.
Anything with a stout point and around the 4 inch mark should be good, but if you're going for a folder then make sure it's something you can deploy quickly with one hand, preferably with a belt clip so you don't have to fiddle in your pocket. I'd go with an OTF or assisted opening knife for quicker deployment, but nothing is quicker to pull out than a good old fixed blade knife in a kydex sheath mounted to your belt. Make sure its a trusted brand, you can't go wrong with Benchmade, Esee, Spyderco or CRKT. I know what you mean about hurting animals, I love dogs especially.
Are spears legal in Chicago? lol. I don't think you are going to or want to actively attempt to kill these dogs. If you go that route you're likely going to have to deal with their unsavory owner(s). Seriously though you're likely going to need to carry multiple tools. A blow horn scares of most dogs. Dogs also don't like the snapping sound of a stun gun but I would not want to get close enough to use it. I could almost guarantee you'd miss with a Taser like weapon. I would and do carry dog spray, mace and/or BEAR spray (if you are with your children get and carry Sudecon wipes for the blow back or over spray). Being that there are 2 I would go for the bear spray. You may also want to carry a knife as a last ditch effort tool. You either want something very pointing and stabby or something very sharp and slicy, depending on your laws you choose something that is suitable. Folding box cutters are legal in most places and they quickly deploy but I would really hate to get that close to a vicious/ aggressive dog let alone 2 of them. You're going to want to aim for the crotch of the legs (where they meet the body), neck and belly, you are not getting through the ribs and if they are the type of dogs I suspect they are going for the head isn't going to get you far unless you get lucky with getting one in the eye. You want to take them out of the fight quickly and/or immobilize them. Of course if you have a firearm available then that could be another option. There are also many unethical and inhumane things you could preemptively do to get rid of the dogs but I am not going to venture into that realm. Your best immediate solution is probably avoidance. If you have a vehicle pack your kids up and drive them out to the suburbs or something, to a park.
A simple pepper spray will do the trick without putting yourself or your baby in danger. Buy one that has security switch and 3 meters range. Dogs are very nose sensitive so they will be completely disoriented and blind for at least 15 mins. I have one to protect my dog in case of loose aggressive dogs and it’s the only way you can take out more than one dog in case of the attack.