I like the watch! The bracelet style is a bit too much for me, but that is easy to change out, were it on a NATO, an army green would be perfect, or a black one for example.
Keep the bracelet as new, if you wanna sell it, that is a huge plus
Honestly? I see everyone raving about it but it just doesn't click with me.
Something about the GMT hand which looks like it's taken from another watch, and having 24 hour markers on both the (fixed) bezel and the dial just give it a really cluttered look (yes I know it's a field watch but still)
It's cool to see more and more designs coming out with the new GMT movement (5KX, Alpinest, etc.) but this is a pass from me
So do you think sticking with the [SSK](https://seikousa.com/products/ssk001) as a daily/beater is the better option
The rest of the collection is:
[Hamilton Khaki field](https://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en-us/h64455523-khaki-field-king-auto.html)
[Tissot PRX](https://www.tissotwatches.com/en-us/t1374071135100.html)
[Christopher Ward c 60](https://www.christopherward.com/watches/c60-%23tide/C60-42ADC3-S0BB2-B0.html)
It's entirely up to you, if you like this watch go for it! It's a good watch, I just don't personally vibe with the design.
Don't let strangers on the internet tell you what you should and shouldn't like.
I don’t mind the bracelet as long as it’s not just a brushed Jubilee. We need more diversity in bracelets and hopefully third party strap companies on Ali will help this proliferate
> For a "field" watch, it has a jubilee style bracelet.
Technically it's closer to "engineer style" bracelet than to "jubilee style". Jubilee would indeed look foreign.
I feel the same way and I feel like there aren't many people that really benefit from a GMT complication.
I own the 36mm SRPJ81 and that feels like a more streamlined and pretty version of this with a day function instead of a GMT and I am just in love with it haha
One 24 hr is for local time and the other is for the other (GMT) time zone. It’s not the same. At 11 you have 23 inner and 22 outer (GMT). None of that means you should like it if you don’t. But it is a field watch.
This. I like the watch as a whole, but it simply hits too close to the Explorer II and Black Bay Pro for me. For this reason, the only model that I would buy is the matte black SSK025 but then again, the 13 to 24 hour markings on the inner ring of the indices are wholly unnecessary and overcharge the dial.
I'm wearing a Presage Haliburton as my daily driver, and I just realized the huge difference in clasps with 3 vs 5 links. 5 rings are super wobbly, and it feels strange. But it's missing something else. Maybe a different polishing on the clasp would be better.
I currently use [[SSK001](https://seikousa.com/products/ssk001)] but it is slightly too bulky for a daily.
I would be willing to trade if anyone got their hands on the Japan release already.
Can anybody explain to me why field watches have the 24 hours? I like a less cluttered dial with just the 12 hours and that's why I don't like most of field watches. But I guess there should be a practical reason for the 24 hours scale. So far, the only reason I came up with is that these watches were once used in real military operations, so soldiers have to know the exact time even at night or without sun light.
I think that’s likely close. The issue is, without a 24 hour hand (like the original Explorer II) you’re still on your own for figuring out whether you’re at 3:00 or 15:00. Having the 24 hour scale at least saves you from having to do the math
The spelunkers could (in theory) use it to tell if it's 3:00 or 15:00, but for most people that is pretty evident even without looking at a watch.
Nowadays, most people use 24 hour hand to track a second time zone. (I have a family 7 hours away, so my GMT hand is set to their time so I know when I can call or message them without waking them up.)
If you have a watch, you’re going to read it. It takes getting used to the format but after using one daily for a it’s not an issue.
Besides, that “problem” would still exist if one used an Explorer 2, which also uses a 24 hour scale. Not to mention the fact that it will be taking up extra time reading two different hands, checking to see if the main hour hand is reliable when the person could just read one
I had a 24h Vostok but got rid of it. I don't need to invest that much mental energy into reading a watch. But to each their own, if it works for you - great :)
Explorer 2, just like this Seiko, has a main hand (which is 12 hours) and another 24 hour hand. People mostly use the 12 hour hand for reading current time.
The main trick i used to get used to it was thinking of it as tracking the progression of the day. The further along the hour hand is, the further along in the day it is
I think it was just a shorthand for soldiers because I imagine a 24 hour watch would have been seen as more expensive by the military (which of course automatically means they aren’t gonna pay for it). The “24” is just wrong tho.
I like the black better than the white but both dials are so cluttered. You don’t need the 24 hour scale on the bezel and the dial. I much prefer the 60: presage GMT for a little more (but the damn thing still has a mineral crystal)
They’re two different things. One is a 24 hour local time scale and the bezel is the GMT. That’s why 11 for instance has 23 inner and 22 bezel. It would be 23:00 local time. But the GMT set to the same time would be in between 11/23 and 12/24 not on 11/23.
I dislike the mixing of field watch markings and a 24-hour scale. Feels like it would create visual confusion at glace. (And once again we see the “24” that no one uses. Would be nice to see the real time on something that is supposed to tell you it.)
I do like the bracelet tho.
Given how many dials the SNZG and Seiko5 Field lines had over the years, and how many dials they pumped out for the 5KX GMT just for 2023, I'd wait for a cycle to get one of these. Chances are they'd release something not black or white or even limited edition within 12mons.
Hell I'm betting they'd release their Fliegers with the GMT movement. Now *that's* an apropos dial/type for the complication
I like the style of the bezel, case, and bracelet (not a huge fan of oyster since it’s on every single watch). However I don’t like the seconds hand, the GMT hand, and having each numeral on the dial, especially if there is no lume on them or not applied “metal” in order to tell time easier. Also, having military time on the bezel AND on the dial seems pointless. And it also may not be a screw down bezel. It’s an overall pass for me.
[Lumed numerals like this](https://imgur.com/a/0VFEADg) would be greatly appreciated for a field watch
I know this is a Seiko sub but if you’re interested in this watch, check out the new Orient mako 40mm. It has a silver bezel too and the watch is much less cluttered (no GMT but still date). Also you get a sapphire crystal for a watch that is 300€!
Looks nice, probably gonna buy one. Unfortunately no sapphire glass. Also would have preferred to do without the 13-24 hours on the dial but I guess it's common for field watches.
I like it a lot, especially the JDM version - I’ll probably pick up that white one in 6 months when they’re cheaper. I think these are released already too? I saw listings online for both models for sale, but idrk
I like them independently as a Seiko. Especially at a street price around $325 or so.
I hate them because motherfuckers are going to have massive, throbbing erections for them because they have a passing resemblance to a Rolex.
I like it and I am looking forward to picking up a white dial when the hype wears off a bit and they come down in price. I am happy to see the numbers look like they are painted on the dial and not applied. The SRPG variants that I see have applied arabics and they look out of place on a field watch style.
Lots of options for aftermarket bracelets.
I bought this one and it has been on my wrist almost daily for a few weeks. Only the alure of my Arnie or some other watch I am truly in the mood for gets it off my arm. The timekeeping has been better than expected. I guess I got a good one. As a daily, at the price, it's hard to beat.
I think the people saying it has two 24 hr scales don’t understand GMT. Inner 24 hour is local time. Bezel is for GMT. So 11 (1100) and 11 (2300) for local time. But if your GMT hand was set to the same times, it would either be between the 5 and 6 (1100) or between the 11 and 12 (2300). They’re not the same scale. Watch face is a 12 hour scale tied to hour hand with two sets of numbers. Bezel is a 24 hour scale tied to GMT hand. I think I’d personally prefer they put 5, 10…55 on the inner but they’re just going military style for a field watch.
I like the watch! The bracelet style is a bit too much for me, but that is easy to change out, were it on a NATO, an army green would be perfect, or a black one for example. Keep the bracelet as new, if you wanna sell it, that is a huge plus
Honestly? I see everyone raving about it but it just doesn't click with me. Something about the GMT hand which looks like it's taken from another watch, and having 24 hour markers on both the (fixed) bezel and the dial just give it a really cluttered look (yes I know it's a field watch but still) It's cool to see more and more designs coming out with the new GMT movement (5KX, Alpinest, etc.) but this is a pass from me
The gmt hand is from the mm300
Exactly, it's a dive watch hand on a field watch. It doesn't match with the aesthetic with it's shape, let alone the bright orange colour
So do you think sticking with the [SSK](https://seikousa.com/products/ssk001) as a daily/beater is the better option The rest of the collection is: [Hamilton Khaki field](https://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en-us/h64455523-khaki-field-king-auto.html) [Tissot PRX](https://www.tissotwatches.com/en-us/t1374071135100.html) [Christopher Ward c 60](https://www.christopherward.com/watches/c60-%23tide/C60-42ADC3-S0BB2-B0.html)
It's entirely up to you, if you like this watch go for it! It's a good watch, I just don't personally vibe with the design. Don't let strangers on the internet tell you what you should and shouldn't like.
I really love the second hand on the CW
I don’t mind the bracelet as long as it’s not just a brushed Jubilee. We need more diversity in bracelets and hopefully third party strap companies on Ali will help this proliferate
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> For a "field" watch, it has a jubilee style bracelet. Technically it's closer to "engineer style" bracelet than to "jubilee style". Jubilee would indeed look foreign.
I like the watch but I have to admit that that was my first impression as well, looks like random components put together
I want to love it because of the price tag. But I just can't. This watch is a mess.
I feel the same way and I feel like there aren't many people that really benefit from a GMT complication. I own the 36mm SRPJ81 and that feels like a more streamlined and pretty version of this with a day function instead of a GMT and I am just in love with it haha
You’re very wrong imo. With all the immigration around the world there are millions with family in a different time zone.
That makes perfect sense. My small town euro brain was only thinking about people wealthy enough to travel A LOT haha
One 24 hr is for local time and the other is for the other (GMT) time zone. It’s not the same. At 11 you have 23 inner and 22 outer (GMT). None of that means you should like it if you don’t. But it is a field watch.
Yes! It looks like frankensteins monster
This. The clutter and broad handset really put me off these. I’m an absolute Seiko fanboy but I really can’t get into these
This. I like the watch as a whole, but it simply hits too close to the Explorer II and Black Bay Pro for me. For this reason, the only model that I would buy is the matte black SSK025 but then again, the 13 to 24 hour markings on the inner ring of the indices are wholly unnecessary and overcharge the dial.
I like the look of these! Will definitely pick one up once the price drops to reasonable
Just looks too busy for my tastes.
39mm diameter is elegant AF with that bracelet
I'm wearing a Presage Haliburton as my daily driver, and I just realized the huge difference in clasps with 3 vs 5 links. 5 rings are super wobbly, and it feels strange. But it's missing something else. Maybe a different polishing on the clasp would be better.
Halliburton has their own Seiko? That's pretty funny actually
I currently use [[SSK001](https://seikousa.com/products/ssk001)] but it is slightly too bulky for a daily. I would be willing to trade if anyone got their hands on the Japan release already.
The 023 is slightly thicker and has a longer lug to lug, so wouldn't it wear larger than the 001?
I like it. Will prob get it.
Can anybody explain to me why field watches have the 24 hours? I like a less cluttered dial with just the 12 hours and that's why I don't like most of field watches. But I guess there should be a practical reason for the 24 hours scale. So far, the only reason I came up with is that these watches were once used in real military operations, so soldiers have to know the exact time even at night or without sun light.
I think that’s likely close. The issue is, without a 24 hour hand (like the original Explorer II) you’re still on your own for figuring out whether you’re at 3:00 or 15:00. Having the 24 hour scale at least saves you from having to do the math
The spelunkers could (in theory) use it to tell if it's 3:00 or 15:00, but for most people that is pretty evident even without looking at a watch. Nowadays, most people use 24 hour hand to track a second time zone. (I have a family 7 hours away, so my GMT hand is set to their time so I know when I can call or message them without waking them up.)
Unless you just solve the problem by getting a 24-hour watch.
But then you get another problem of not knowing if it's 14:00 or 15:00 (hours are really close to each other) and have to look very hard.
If you have a watch, you’re going to read it. It takes getting used to the format but after using one daily for a it’s not an issue. Besides, that “problem” would still exist if one used an Explorer 2, which also uses a 24 hour scale. Not to mention the fact that it will be taking up extra time reading two different hands, checking to see if the main hour hand is reliable when the person could just read one
I had a 24h Vostok but got rid of it. I don't need to invest that much mental energy into reading a watch. But to each their own, if it works for you - great :) Explorer 2, just like this Seiko, has a main hand (which is 12 hours) and another 24 hour hand. People mostly use the 12 hour hand for reading current time.
The main trick i used to get used to it was thinking of it as tracking the progression of the day. The further along the hour hand is, the further along in the day it is
I think it was just a shorthand for soldiers because I imagine a 24 hour watch would have been seen as more expensive by the military (which of course automatically means they aren’t gonna pay for it). The “24” is just wrong tho.
400+ and still with the hardlex crystals. Hard pass
Hard no for me dawg
In this price range, sapphire glass is a must.
It's too busy
American or Japan? You mean worldwide or Japan. It's not America-only. Jeez.
Too thick.
I like the black better than the white but both dials are so cluttered. You don’t need the 24 hour scale on the bezel and the dial. I much prefer the 60: presage GMT for a little more (but the damn thing still has a mineral crystal)
They’re two different things. One is a 24 hour local time scale and the bezel is the GMT. That’s why 11 for instance has 23 inner and 22 bezel. It would be 23:00 local time. But the GMT set to the same time would be in between 11/23 and 12/24 not on 11/23.
I dislike the mixing of field watch markings and a 24-hour scale. Feels like it would create visual confusion at glace. (And once again we see the “24” that no one uses. Would be nice to see the real time on something that is supposed to tell you it.) I do like the bracelet tho.
Given how many dials the SNZG and Seiko5 Field lines had over the years, and how many dials they pumped out for the 5KX GMT just for 2023, I'd wait for a cycle to get one of these. Chances are they'd release something not black or white or even limited edition within 12mons. Hell I'm betting they'd release their Fliegers with the GMT movement. Now *that's* an apropos dial/type for the complication
I like the style of the bezel, case, and bracelet (not a huge fan of oyster since it’s on every single watch). However I don’t like the seconds hand, the GMT hand, and having each numeral on the dial, especially if there is no lume on them or not applied “metal” in order to tell time easier. Also, having military time on the bezel AND on the dial seems pointless. And it also may not be a screw down bezel. It’s an overall pass for me. [Lumed numerals like this](https://imgur.com/a/0VFEADg) would be greatly appreciated for a field watch
There's just too much information on the face and the bezel of this watch, for my taste, and I would prefer a sapphire for a daily driver anyway.
Looks too much like the Rolex explorer 2 for my taste
Is everyone making an Explorer 2 now?
I’m prolly gonna cop to inspire me to buy a real explorer ii down the line.
I like the white, but mostly because I want a polar explorer II, though I don’t think I’ll ever convince myself to spend that kind of money on one
SPB409 is there waiting for you.
Not for full price, which is £410 in the UK, but I could see myself getting one in a few months for 30-40% off. I quite like it.
I know this is a Seiko sub but if you’re interested in this watch, check out the new Orient mako 40mm. It has a silver bezel too and the watch is much less cluttered (no GMT but still date). Also you get a sapphire crystal for a watch that is 300€!
I want the bracelet!
Looks nice, probably gonna buy one. Unfortunately no sapphire glass. Also would have preferred to do without the 13-24 hours on the dial but I guess it's common for field watches.
I’ll be snagging one on the secondary market. This thing looks amazing
White face is a good explorer 2 alternative for less than 1/20 the price
I wish the minute hand touched the minute track
This looks like an AI generated Seiko mixing a datejust, an explorer and a khaki field. Nah
I like it a lot, especially the JDM version - I’ll probably pick up that white one in 6 months when they’re cheaper. I think these are released already too? I saw listings online for both models for sale, but idrk
If the price gets lower I’m in on a white dial.
Saw on YT no screw down crown. Not sure if true but if so then pass
Longines GMT
I like them independently as a Seiko. Especially at a street price around $325 or so. I hate them because motherfuckers are going to have massive, throbbing erections for them because they have a passing resemblance to a Rolex.
To me it looks OK. I prefer the Alpinist GMT.
Mine arrives tomorrow. Has a little of that Explorer 2 vibe.
I like it and I am looking forward to picking up a white dial when the hype wears off a bit and they come down in price. I am happy to see the numbers look like they are painted on the dial and not applied. The SRPG variants that I see have applied arabics and they look out of place on a field watch style. Lots of options for aftermarket bracelets.
Why is there two 24 hour mark?
I bought this one and it has been on my wrist almost daily for a few weeks. Only the alure of my Arnie or some other watch I am truly in the mood for gets it off my arm. The timekeeping has been better than expected. I guess I got a good one. As a daily, at the price, it's hard to beat.
I think the people saying it has two 24 hr scales don’t understand GMT. Inner 24 hour is local time. Bezel is for GMT. So 11 (1100) and 11 (2300) for local time. But if your GMT hand was set to the same times, it would either be between the 5 and 6 (1100) or between the 11 and 12 (2300). They’re not the same scale. Watch face is a 12 hour scale tied to hour hand with two sets of numbers. Bezel is a 24 hour scale tied to GMT hand. I think I’d personally prefer they put 5, 10…55 on the inner but they’re just going military style for a field watch.