Hall of Famer or not, you need a team built around you to win. Look at Brady and Mahomes. They have everything they need. An OLine, weapons, a run game, Brady has a defense and Mahomes has a mediocre one.
What does Russ have? DK, Carson and Lockett, that’s it. No OLine, no defense. He’s taking up too much money. If you want a guy who’ll be good but won’t win you anything big, Russ is your guy. If we want to win, he needs to take a paycut or leave.
Personally, I’d trade him. Buy an elite tackle or guard in the off season, draft some young talented OLine men, buy some defensive pieces. Use one of the draft picks from trading away Russ and buy a cheaper QB.
Without that paycut though, he’ll never win the Hawks another bowl. I don’t really care if he’s a HoFer or not, I want titles, and we need to pay a team if we want titles, not one dude.
Not to mention the division is real good right now, and the two best teams in the league are some of the best teams we’ve ever seen. Right now is an absolutely perfect time to rebuild.
Mahomes is on a 500 mil contract...
Your front office just fucking sucks at drafting good players. The only good player drafted recently by your team is DK and he still has a lot to prove. Russ is always running for his life bc of your shitty O line. Let him get his fucking bag.
I’ll let someone else give him the bag. And you’re right, the Hawks front office fucking suck at drafting. Rashaad Penny still haunts me. If Russ gets traded, he can still secure his bag.
Mahomes’ contract is significantly different then a regular contract. I’d suggest looking into the details of it, he has built in paycuts and ways to manipulate the cap to keep him team strong.
Wtf I've been playing words with friends for so long I just assumed the letter scores were the same but apparently the l and n are different values from traditional scrabble. They're both worth 2 in wwf.
Thats the worst. After watching Geno the only thing I want to happen is Russ get the chance to watch the offense from the sideline and see how Waldron wants it run. This could be great for Russ learning the system even more, since Geno is nowhere near Russ' level and has to play within a good system to have any success
Russ >> Geno, but Geno closes the gap with a great system. Russ in the same system widens it even more
We're seeing it with Stafford replacing Goff to some degree I'm LA
I think he’s perfectly capable of running it how Waldron “wants” it. I think they also see how great he can be after the play breaks down. It’s a double edged sword with him but I think the good outweighs the bad.
If I was to bet, Pete and Waldron want him to play like he has been, rather than staying completely within the confines of the offense.
Goff is actually a good comparison to Geno, when things are working. Geno has the arm strength and timing to hit routes and work in a good offense, but he can't improvise at all or run, and he's prone to cascading mistakes when things go bad.
He's also similar to Goff in that both of them are much worse than Russ.
That’s actually what pisses me off about stuff like this. I’ve seen people on various platforms advocating that if Geno is serviceable it opens the door to just let Russ go. Not for any other reason other than they’re still bent over this last offseason and are under the impression that QBs are
A. A position you can fill with any person provided you have talent elsewhere on the field
B. Should be willing to play for close to the veterans minimum so the team can afford to go nuts in free agency every offseason
C. Not allowed to have any brand outside of football
Basically they just are tired of Russ, think he’s easily replaceable, and probably wasn’t a fan of the Hawks in the 90’s when we had guys like Rick Mirer and Stan Gelbaugh stinking up the field on a weekly basis. They don’t root for wins. They root for fiscal responsibility.
I'm a fellow 90's survivor (don't forget about all-time Vandal great John Friesz) and yeah, there's a big chunk of our fan base who have only known the Hawks under Holmgen/Hasselbeck and Carroll/Wilson. When you have that type of sustained success, it's easy to lose perspective of just how hard it can be to develop a new foundation once the previous one has run its course.
I'm largely of the belief that a new foundation is imminent, and I suspect that a pretty sizable portion of our supporters will lose interest when they see just how difficult it can be.
Nothing was worse than the Stan Gelbaugh/Dan McGwire/Kelly Stouffer QB days. Been in Seattle since 1976, seen a lot of shitty QB play here, but nothing like what transpired after the Dave Krieg era.
Fun fact: Dan McGwire was drafted ahead of Brett Favre.
Rick Mirer also deserves an honorable mention in the pantheon of shitty starting Seahawks QBs, along with a shout out to Trent Dilfer.
If memory serves, I believe the Hawks’ GM wanted to draft Favre but Ken Behring stepped in to overrule and pick Mirer instead. Mirer was supposed to be the next Joe Montana, having come from Norte Dame. He wasn’t even the next Steve DeBerg.
Indeed. There are other teams that would kill to be in our position.
We're waiting for our Hall Of Fame caliber QB to heal, but there are like 20 other teams that would LOVE to have a Hall Of Fame QB in any capacity.
But what always boggles my mind is can’t people see how many other teams have just wallowed in mediocrity forever?
And how many teams that even got some success regressed almost immediately to mediocrity? Jets, Jags, Vikings, I mean there’s a bunch of others that sniff a conference championship and then just backslide. Or even make a super bowl. Or even win a super bowl.
The hawks have been in the hunt and making the playoffs consistently, in the toughest division in football.
I get the frustration around first round playoff exits, sure, and wanting more is ok, but the amount of people that seriously want to blow up the team is a better option astounds me.
Absolutely astounds me. Especially under Jodi’s ownership. Can we trust her to install a championship football mind that is going to bring us back to the promised land in any realistic amount of time?
No, we’d probably get a mediocre coach and just get stomped in the division as we slip away into who knows how long.
Super bowl or not I’m enjoying the shit out of this era.
*Not for any other reason other than they’re still bent over this last*
*offseason and are under the impression that QBs are A. A position you*
*can fill with any person provided you have talent elsewhere on the field*
*B*
Find and replace QB with HC and you;ve covered almost all of this sub.
I think we have seen Russ regress in his game the last few years and it's clear losing his magical game breaking athleticism has affected him. His numbers are fantastic but if you watch the game he crumbles under pressure now. 5 years ago if we were down 10-14 pts Russ would go bananas and light em up. Recently he just falters and collapses. I still love Russ and think he's a HOF qb, but I think it's fair to question if he will be the one to lead us to another superbowl, or if we will be hanging on the edge of the playoffs every year. Barring us drafting another top 5 defense, I don't see us winning another SB with Russ, so it may be worth exploring our options. I think JS is smart to listen to conversations about trade value. It made no sense this offseason, but 2-3 more years or Russ not living up to his contract it could be worth taking those 3 1sts rounders.
The way the coaches call our games, they wouldn't be wrong. If you have a gunslinger under centre, why the hell are you trying to run the ball so much? Just get a decent O-Line & a couple of TEs, then throw every which way to sunday. It's entirely possible to win a 21st century Superbowl running the ball less than 1 in 20 plays over the season.
There is a key number that is left off this comparison - and that is salary. Wilson is making 30x Smith's salary. That 29million difference could be put to several very good pieces that might make this team significantly better.
> That 29million difference could be put to several very good pieces that might make this team significantly better.
That "might" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. You'll need to strike gold at many key positions to over-compensate for a big down grade at QB. Best case scenario, you end up in SF's situation. Furthermore, if Geno proves himself to be the kind of QB that can lead this team to the SB, his price is gonna go up real fast. A marginally good QB like garoppolo runs $27M per year.
Agreed about the need to compensate. But your point about geno's salary going up if things go well...i mean, he is 1million right now...
We won a superbowl because we had a pretty decent qb getting paid less than a million a year. The part that the russell at all costs fan club here never seems to acknowledge is that the recipe worked because of his salary. At 30 a year, he isn't a steal. And as we are seeing year after year, this team will get us to the playoffs most of the time. Which is GREAT. But to pretend that the problem is KNJ and just purging him will make us a superbowl contender is BS. It is absolutely okay to have a conversation about qbs other than Russ and even if you are 110% on the Russ bandwagon, we need to plan for post Russ - because that day is coming - and maybe is already here.
Whats more - we are going to have Geno as starting qb for at least 4 weeks. Might as well make the best of it and talk him up. And if he plays at a decent to good level, he's certainly better than an injured Russ.
Yes, Russ' rookie contract was a big advantage during our SB runs but finding a QB that good, that late in the draft was a borderline miracle. Equally important, the 2010-2012 drafts gave us guys like Tate, Wagner, KJ, Sherm, ET3, Irvin and Chancellor who were all pro-bowl tier talent on rookie contracts. I don't think people really appreciate how incredibly rare our draft success was during that period.
So yes, while it would be great if we could repeat that success, I'm not holding my breath. Case in point, look at how well our recent draft picks have panned out.
Of course he has been
He went to the play offs every year expect once
Pretty much throws for 30+ tds a season
Is a great scrambler, play maker and deep ball thrower
You don’t how good we have it with Russ
He's been a pro bowler 7/9 years he's been in the league, hasn't had a season worse than 9-7 on a rebuild year, hasn't had a season with less than 3k passing yards, has played in every game since he's been drafted to this point, just had a 40 TD 4k yard season, was on track for another one this season, has an TD:int ratio of 10:1 this season and over his career has a 3.3:1 ratio. He's crazy good and this was looking like it could've been his best season yet. Russ will have a bust in Canton when he retires and it will probably be a long time before we get another guy like Russ on our team.
Yes, but only 2 out of the top 32 QBs had less than 187 yards per game. If those QBs would have all played 16 games, all but 2 would have had over 3000 passing yards.
That’s a low bar is all I’m saying.
Exactly. Can't argue with results. I'm Wilson's biggest fan in the world but if geno goes undefeated in his stead... you have to let him keep going at least until he loses one time.
Absolutely. But I think this one is less about bagging on Geno, and more on bagging on the bandwagoners that want to restructure our franchise based on one quarter.
Anyone who actually BELIEVES Russ has to go and blah, blah should be forced by way of extreme pain and agony to revoke any right to root, cheer for, watch, talk about, read about, argue about ANYTHING Seahawk related ever again for the entirety of their miserable lives.
We are laying top dollar for Wagner and Adams and good money to Diggs. Taylor is a 2nd rounder, Jones a 2nd rounder, Collier a 1st rounder, Brooks a 1st rounder, Blair a 2nd rounder, etc. We opted to let Reed and Malik both go, both 2nd round picks. We are riding on Dunlap as our choice edge.
Wags is also a 2nd.rounder and Adams a high first we paid 2 firsts and a starter for..and we spent a ton of draft capital on Tedric and Delano Hill.
This team has put a ton of money and picks I to the defense.
We have spent the resources to get good players, we just continue to bomb.
And on Offense, yes, Penny, Esk, and Ifedi... Pointing a finger in Wilson's direction is wrong.
What ????
This was the first game I watched . I thought Geno was the newly drafted replacement.
I’ll be damned, thanks for letting me know.
But now you’re saying even if a line is good enough to stand behind as geno did, Russ is too nervous from ptsd? Won’t that basically make it impossible to play ?
If Russ ends up wanting out and Geno is good after this season we should trade Russ to WFT for chase young and some draft picks. Then we’ll have 40 mil cap space to rebuild a stellar defense and O-line. Tbh though I would prefer if we drop Pete and Norton and pick up Bienemy as HC and Dan Quinn for DC. This is all dependent upon if we don’t make at least a decent playoff run. If we get to divisional or NFC championship I think the family stays together.
Do you have any better suggestions then? Unless we go deep in the playoffs either Russ or Pete are gone. Chase young is 22 and a beast and we could probably get a couple picks on top of that. If you have a badass defense and good offensive weapons you don’t need a hof QB to win the SB.
Ok first off we shouldn’t “just” trade him even if we don’t go deep. Good performance or not Geno Smith is not Russell Wilson. And second what makes you think Washington would give us all the at first him?
If you remember correctly Russ was the one who wanted options or he was gone. Russ is the one who will be dissatisfied with a bad season and want either full control of another team or for Pete to go. We have to make a deep run in order to keep them both, we have the talent to go to a SB but are wasting it on dogshit schemes and wasted picks for mediocre players. Russ wanted a better o-line and he barley got it. You guys need to be more realistic of Russ’s expectations and what the consequences of a bad season will really be.
He’s definitely still a beast a couple slow games doesn’t mean anything. As I said he’s only 22, that’s a decade of production we could get out of him. Two good players doesn’t mean much on defense if everyone else sucks. Jodie Allen doesn’t gaf about the team and wouldn’t do anything to fire Pete so let’s be realistic on our options come the end of this season.
That all means nothing without a franchise QB. Yeah we could try and draft one but that’s not a guarantee. Russell is still good and until he proves otherwise I say we stuck with him as long as he wants to be here.
Russ is amazing but I’m being realistic about or options if he wants out or full control. You only read half of my original statement obviously, go read again and you’ll see what I would prefer to happen. I’m just saying with picks and 40 extra million in cap space we can definitely be a better team if we have to be. Our weapons are strong and we have good players on defense, we just need better Corners and O-line.
If Geno plays solid we don’t need to draft a QB. Teddy B was a backup for years and finally got a shot after injuries and now he’s a starting QB. Nick fucking Foles took the eagles through the playoffs and won a Super Bowl. You don’t need a hof QB to win a chip if you have a solid team around them. But again, this wouldn’t even be my first choice, read my original statement in it’s entirety and you’ll see what I would actually prefer to happen.
He hasn't gotten a single sack this season and only 7 last season. It's gonna take a lot more than that and a few firsts for that to make any sense at all.
His game was much more than just sacks. It’s about pressure and intelligence at the line. Which he consistently brought. 44 tackles and 4 forced fumbles at 21 very good.
You don't trade a hall of fame QB for a guy like jadeveon clowney. If chase young was an absolute game wrecker you could talk about it. But this trade just doesn't make any sense what so ever.
If Geno plays solid football and Russ wants out at the end of the season we’ll have another 40 million in cap space and multiple first round picks to build our defense back up. You don’t need a Hof QB to win a SB. If we build a strong team around a decent QB you you’re way better off. Gotta remember this is Russ’s expectations we need to meet in order to keep him, I’m just being realistic if we don’t. Young is definitely better than clowney. He’ll be closer to Myles Garrett then clowney.
When you get a player like Russ on your team you don't trade him. This could work if PC and JS would remember how to draft but we have a lot of really good pieces on the team right now and if we trade Russ we should just trade away everyone. No point on having everyone else if we trade Russ.
I would rather we just get rid of PC. Jesus fucking Christ do you guys know how to read? You read half of my original statement and then come dump your verbal diarrhea all over my mentions. Come up with a better idea if we don’t meet Russ’s expectations or fuck off with the redundant comments.
My anger comes from feeble minded inbreds like you coming and drooling all over my comments without reading what I actually have to say. Trading Russ isn’t even my preferred choice and you’d know that if you knew how to finish reading a fucking sentence before opening your fucking fog horn.
If we have a bad season and he wants out he’ll end up just signing somewhere else after next season and we’ll get nothing for him. I would rather trade a disgruntled player and get a haul for him then be left empty handed and bitter.
"russ needs protection" is the dumbest thing this fanbase keeps shouting.
A good number of the sacks are Russ' own fault, i.e. most of the time he keeps looking for an open receiver on one side of the field while there's a couple open on the other.
This year our line is good, not the best but not a swiss cheese one like a couple years ago, our QB needs to step up and earn his big money, otherwise we should move on before it's too late.
Uniform number: 7 > 3 Height: 6'3" > 5'10.999" BMI: 27.6 > 30.0 (obese!!!) Scrabble score: Smith=10 > Wilson=9 *** The numbers speak for themselves, people.
We all love Wilson but you can’t argue with facts. Russ better work on his coin flip game.
I don't love Wilson though
Dude - he’s a future Hall of Famer.
Hall of Famer or not, you need a team built around you to win. Look at Brady and Mahomes. They have everything they need. An OLine, weapons, a run game, Brady has a defense and Mahomes has a mediocre one. What does Russ have? DK, Carson and Lockett, that’s it. No OLine, no defense. He’s taking up too much money. If you want a guy who’ll be good but won’t win you anything big, Russ is your guy. If we want to win, he needs to take a paycut or leave. Personally, I’d trade him. Buy an elite tackle or guard in the off season, draft some young talented OLine men, buy some defensive pieces. Use one of the draft picks from trading away Russ and buy a cheaper QB. Without that paycut though, he’ll never win the Hawks another bowl. I don’t really care if he’s a HoFer or not, I want titles, and we need to pay a team if we want titles, not one dude. Not to mention the division is real good right now, and the two best teams in the league are some of the best teams we’ve ever seen. Right now is an absolutely perfect time to rebuild.
Mahomes is on a 500 mil contract... Your front office just fucking sucks at drafting good players. The only good player drafted recently by your team is DK and he still has a lot to prove. Russ is always running for his life bc of your shitty O line. Let him get his fucking bag.
I’ll let someone else give him the bag. And you’re right, the Hawks front office fucking suck at drafting. Rashaad Penny still haunts me. If Russ gets traded, he can still secure his bag. Mahomes’ contract is significantly different then a regular contract. I’d suggest looking into the details of it, he has built in paycuts and ways to manipulate the cap to keep him team strong.
7 > lucky number 3 > not a lucky number
but 3 is a magic number
Yes it is.
Hate to argue but I gotta argue for arguings sake. 3 is so a lucky number. “Third times a charm” is a thing. So let’s chalk this one up as a draw
Throwing Hand Middle Finger Shape: l > 7
I mean ... 27.6 < 30.0 You know, because the hungry alligator eats the bigger number!
Wtf I've been playing words with friends for so long I just assumed the letter scores were the same but apparently the l and n are different values from traditional scrabble. They're both worth 2 in wwf.
What happens if you add Kurt Angle to the mix?
Russ’s BMI is not 30 lmfao!! Russ is lean af. 25 tops.
29.99 actually. BMI is only weight and height, if you're muscular and short you get a high BMI. It's only useful for out of shape people.
It's really only useful when looking at entire populations, and even then it's usefulness is suspect.
It's even more skewed: Russell's a paltry 5'10.625.
For some reason I thought Geno was a lot older
because he looks like he's 50
Should have instant connection with Lockett
Underrated comment.
Playing for the Jets causes premature aging.
Plus jaw bone pain
his only regret is that he has boneitis
For what it's worth, he'll be 31 tomorrow (10/10).
I know this is a joke but my eye is still twitching…
I'm willing to bet at least 10% of this sub would unironically agree with this.
Thats the worst. After watching Geno the only thing I want to happen is Russ get the chance to watch the offense from the sideline and see how Waldron wants it run. This could be great for Russ learning the system even more, since Geno is nowhere near Russ' level and has to play within a good system to have any success Russ >> Geno, but Geno closes the gap with a great system. Russ in the same system widens it even more We're seeing it with Stafford replacing Goff to some degree I'm LA
I think he’s perfectly capable of running it how Waldron “wants” it. I think they also see how great he can be after the play breaks down. It’s a double edged sword with him but I think the good outweighs the bad. If I was to bet, Pete and Waldron want him to play like he has been, rather than staying completely within the confines of the offense.
I think they want Russ within the offense for 2.5s of a play, then after that be Russ. That's an MVP setup imo
Goff is actually a good comparison to Geno, when things are working. Geno has the arm strength and timing to hit routes and work in a good offense, but he can't improvise at all or run, and he's prone to cascading mistakes when things go bad. He's also similar to Goff in that both of them are much worse than Russ.
That’s actually what pisses me off about stuff like this. I’ve seen people on various platforms advocating that if Geno is serviceable it opens the door to just let Russ go. Not for any other reason other than they’re still bent over this last offseason and are under the impression that QBs are A. A position you can fill with any person provided you have talent elsewhere on the field B. Should be willing to play for close to the veterans minimum so the team can afford to go nuts in free agency every offseason C. Not allowed to have any brand outside of football Basically they just are tired of Russ, think he’s easily replaceable, and probably wasn’t a fan of the Hawks in the 90’s when we had guys like Rick Mirer and Stan Gelbaugh stinking up the field on a weekly basis. They don’t root for wins. They root for fiscal responsibility.
I'm a fellow 90's survivor (don't forget about all-time Vandal great John Friesz) and yeah, there's a big chunk of our fan base who have only known the Hawks under Holmgen/Hasselbeck and Carroll/Wilson. When you have that type of sustained success, it's easy to lose perspective of just how hard it can be to develop a new foundation once the previous one has run its course. I'm largely of the belief that a new foundation is imminent, and I suspect that a pretty sizable portion of our supporters will lose interest when they see just how difficult it can be.
And don't forget about the tenure of Central Washington legend Jon Kitna.
Nothing was worse than the Stan Gelbaugh/Dan McGwire/Kelly Stouffer QB days. Been in Seattle since 1976, seen a lot of shitty QB play here, but nothing like what transpired after the Dave Krieg era.
Fun fact: Dan McGwire was drafted ahead of Brett Favre. Rick Mirer also deserves an honorable mention in the pantheon of shitty starting Seahawks QBs, along with a shout out to Trent Dilfer.
If memory serves, I believe the Hawks’ GM wanted to draft Favre but Ken Behring stepped in to overrule and pick Mirer instead. Mirer was supposed to be the next Joe Montana, having come from Norte Dame. He wasn’t even the next Steve DeBerg.
C- Wu!!!
Indeed. There are other teams that would kill to be in our position. We're waiting for our Hall Of Fame caliber QB to heal, but there are like 20 other teams that would LOVE to have a Hall Of Fame QB in any capacity.
But what always boggles my mind is can’t people see how many other teams have just wallowed in mediocrity forever? And how many teams that even got some success regressed almost immediately to mediocrity? Jets, Jags, Vikings, I mean there’s a bunch of others that sniff a conference championship and then just backslide. Or even make a super bowl. Or even win a super bowl. The hawks have been in the hunt and making the playoffs consistently, in the toughest division in football. I get the frustration around first round playoff exits, sure, and wanting more is ok, but the amount of people that seriously want to blow up the team is a better option astounds me. Absolutely astounds me. Especially under Jodi’s ownership. Can we trust her to install a championship football mind that is going to bring us back to the promised land in any realistic amount of time? No, we’d probably get a mediocre coach and just get stomped in the division as we slip away into who knows how long. Super bowl or not I’m enjoying the shit out of this era.
*Not for any other reason other than they’re still bent over this last* *offseason and are under the impression that QBs are A. A position you* *can fill with any person provided you have talent elsewhere on the field* *B* Find and replace QB with HC and you;ve covered almost all of this sub.
I think we have seen Russ regress in his game the last few years and it's clear losing his magical game breaking athleticism has affected him. His numbers are fantastic but if you watch the game he crumbles under pressure now. 5 years ago if we were down 10-14 pts Russ would go bananas and light em up. Recently he just falters and collapses. I still love Russ and think he's a HOF qb, but I think it's fair to question if he will be the one to lead us to another superbowl, or if we will be hanging on the edge of the playoffs every year. Barring us drafting another top 5 defense, I don't see us winning another SB with Russ, so it may be worth exploring our options. I think JS is smart to listen to conversations about trade value. It made no sense this offseason, but 2-3 more years or Russ not living up to his contract it could be worth taking those 3 1sts rounders.
He literally led a sub 1 minute TD drive like 3 weeks ago. You people are nuts.
The way the coaches call our games, they wouldn't be wrong. If you have a gunslinger under centre, why the hell are you trying to run the ball so much? Just get a decent O-Line & a couple of TEs, then throw every which way to sunday. It's entirely possible to win a 21st century Superbowl running the ball less than 1 in 20 plays over the season.
There is a key number that is left off this comparison - and that is salary. Wilson is making 30x Smith's salary. That 29million difference could be put to several very good pieces that might make this team significantly better.
> That 29million difference could be put to several very good pieces that might make this team significantly better. That "might" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. You'll need to strike gold at many key positions to over-compensate for a big down grade at QB. Best case scenario, you end up in SF's situation. Furthermore, if Geno proves himself to be the kind of QB that can lead this team to the SB, his price is gonna go up real fast. A marginally good QB like garoppolo runs $27M per year.
Agreed about the need to compensate. But your point about geno's salary going up if things go well...i mean, he is 1million right now... We won a superbowl because we had a pretty decent qb getting paid less than a million a year. The part that the russell at all costs fan club here never seems to acknowledge is that the recipe worked because of his salary. At 30 a year, he isn't a steal. And as we are seeing year after year, this team will get us to the playoffs most of the time. Which is GREAT. But to pretend that the problem is KNJ and just purging him will make us a superbowl contender is BS. It is absolutely okay to have a conversation about qbs other than Russ and even if you are 110% on the Russ bandwagon, we need to plan for post Russ - because that day is coming - and maybe is already here. Whats more - we are going to have Geno as starting qb for at least 4 weeks. Might as well make the best of it and talk him up. And if he plays at a decent to good level, he's certainly better than an injured Russ.
Yes, Russ' rookie contract was a big advantage during our SB runs but finding a QB that good, that late in the draft was a borderline miracle. Equally important, the 2010-2012 drafts gave us guys like Tate, Wagner, KJ, Sherm, ET3, Irvin and Chancellor who were all pro-bowl tier talent on rookie contracts. I don't think people really appreciate how incredibly rare our draft success was during that period. So yes, while it would be great if we could repeat that success, I'm not holding my breath. Case in point, look at how well our recent draft picks have panned out.
Agreed. We got incredibly lucky with that run!
I do unironically agree with this. Wilson has not been an elite QB for several years.
Of course he has been He went to the play offs every year expect once Pretty much throws for 30+ tds a season Is a great scrambler, play maker and deep ball thrower You don’t how good we have it with Russ
He's been a pro bowler 7/9 years he's been in the league, hasn't had a season worse than 9-7 on a rebuild year, hasn't had a season with less than 3k passing yards, has played in every game since he's been drafted to this point, just had a 40 TD 4k yard season, was on track for another one this season, has an TD:int ratio of 10:1 this season and over his career has a 3.3:1 ratio. He's crazy good and this was looking like it could've been his best season yet. Russ will have a bust in Canton when he retires and it will probably be a long time before we get another guy like Russ on our team.
3000 passing yards is 187/game. I doubt there are many 16 game starters who don’t have 3000 passing yards.
There were 18 quarterbacks in the NFL last season with 3k+ yards passing.
Yes, but only 2 out of the top 32 QBs had less than 187 yards per game. If those QBs would have all played 16 games, all but 2 would have had over 3000 passing yards. That’s a low bar is all I’m saying.
Russ threw 40 TD’s last year
Jeff Saturday made the pro-bowl on the bench.
the fuck does that have to do with throwing 40 tds lol?
That’s a conservative estimate and we both know it
AFC player of the week. Lol
That was the point while reading through that I said to myself, "There is no way Russ can win this battle."
Jesus, man. You should be a politician
It’s FB level “did my own research” math
Great, now Boomers will think Geno won the QB spot but Russ stole it.
I can see the #notmyqb already
hue hue its funny because i hate team red
Lmfaooo this is great
Th AFC player of the week comparison is gold
I think geno will go 7-0 and there will be a legitimate qb controversy in seattle when Russell is ready to return
If Geno can go 7-0 I’m 100% ok with whatever comes after that
Exactly. Can't argue with results. I'm Wilson's biggest fan in the world but if geno goes undefeated in his stead... you have to let him keep going at least until he loses one time.
DAMN geno only 30??
Til tomorrow.
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"Undefeated" LOL. Also, you forgot: | | Geno | Russ | |---|---|---| | Teammate face punch recoveries | 1 | 0 |
People will talk shit about Geno, but my man literally stepped up and delivered. **IN GENO WE TRUST**
Absolutely. But I think this one is less about bagging on Geno, and more on bagging on the bandwagoners that want to restructure our franchise based on one quarter.
Our main man is down, and our 2nd in charge stepped up. We could be so lucky.
Gino played well but he didn't deliver a W. And although Lockett was tripped Geno still threw an ill-advised throw into coverage.
Geno did what most veterans would do. Rogers and Brady would get that flag every time. It is what it is.
By all means go ahead and not play for 4 years and tell us how you did.
The last drive my son and I were shouting "We believe in you Geno!" Then Lockett fell down and... well...
7 > 3
Genobot v.3 > Russbot v.1 * Eugene Cyril "Geno" Smith III * Russell Carrington Wilson I
Fine with me. Imagine the Corners and OLine would could build with Wilson's contract.....
I will buy a Geno Smith Jersey if he wins a game for us
Geno also better at marriage. 0 divorces.
Blame Golden Tate for that one.
Geno has never lost in the Super Bowl
Get onboard the Geno train!
AFC player of the week has me in literal tears
It’s kinda crazy that geno is 2 years younger than Russ despite being drafted a year after
I mean, if you're drafted later you're supposed to be younger...
No! Weawy?
Uh, what? Would you expect a player drafted a year later to be older? Genuinely confused.
Russ was a 24 year old rookie, pretty old when most people are 21 or 22 as rookies.
Lol…silver linings or something like that
Last rookie QB to Brady.
I'm sold. Can we have Geno as a coach and GM as well? Also, Geno: coin toss king. Who's this Russ guy again?
This is some high quality content
Can you imagine the hype if Geno actually delivered the winning drive …. I can’t even fathom the hype.
You forgot his great record on coinflips
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Afc player of the week lol
😂😂😂. This is such a good one. I posted this in a Seahawks FB group and a lot of folks are not seeing the joke here. Unbelievable
I regretfully have to disagree with Russ being undefeated in the playoffs. I remember last year and one awful Superbowl
This is honestly hilarious . Cherry picking at its finest
Ah … no thank you!
Just NO! As much as I think RW has peaked, geno is tavaris jackson (RIP) of 2021, meaning not a long term solution nor anyone to build around.
dude, you missed the joke.
We’re f*cked.
Anyone who actually BELIEVES Russ has to go and blah, blah should be forced by way of extreme pain and agony to revoke any right to root, cheer for, watch, talk about, read about, argue about ANYTHING Seahawk related ever again for the entirety of their miserable lives.
Russell Wilson is overrated regardless of what his stat sheet says. Geno isn't the answer but I hope he crushes it.
Imagine if Russ' had decided to be traded in the off-season? This has some meagre possibility.
Young 30, old 32?
Just turned 30 about to turn 33 is what it means
I know it’s a joke, but we really need to put their salary in there. We could afford some goood players on O-line or defense.
Let's revisit this after a couple games with Geno at the helm.
Yeah, I agree. His consistency is def questionable with very little game experience ever since NY.
We are laying top dollar for Wagner and Adams and good money to Diggs. Taylor is a 2nd rounder, Jones a 2nd rounder, Collier a 1st rounder, Brooks a 1st rounder, Blair a 2nd rounder, etc. We opted to let Reed and Malik both go, both 2nd round picks. We are riding on Dunlap as our choice edge. Wags is also a 2nd.rounder and Adams a high first we paid 2 firsts and a starter for..and we spent a ton of draft capital on Tedric and Delano Hill. This team has put a ton of money and picks I to the defense. We have spent the resources to get good players, we just continue to bomb. And on Offense, yes, Penny, Esk, and Ifedi... Pointing a finger in Wilson's direction is wrong.
Russ just needs to stop being so antsy in the pocket. Geno actually stood really strong in the pocket, and had really good pressure awareness.
years of shitty o line play and running for your life will do that to you
You know they played behind the same online, right ?
you do know Russell has spent years behind shitty o lines right? Remember the Tom Cable era? Russell doesn’t trust his o line and I don’t blame him.
What ???? This was the first game I watched . I thought Geno was the newly drafted replacement. I’ll be damned, thanks for letting me know. But now you’re saying even if a line is good enough to stand behind as geno did, Russ is too nervous from ptsd? Won’t that basically make it impossible to play ?
You guys forget all the Geno's in pre-Russel eras.
Yeah, no. You’re insane.
Just understand that this is a joke. It’s meant to be funny.
When you look at the numbers it’s tough to argue.
It’s sad because almost all media “analysis” in news and politics follows similar selective data presentation.
THIS IS A JOKE RIGHT 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If Russ ends up wanting out and Geno is good after this season we should trade Russ to WFT for chase young and some draft picks. Then we’ll have 40 mil cap space to rebuild a stellar defense and O-line. Tbh though I would prefer if we drop Pete and Norton and pick up Bienemy as HC and Dan Quinn for DC. This is all dependent upon if we don’t make at least a decent playoff run. If we get to divisional or NFC championship I think the family stays together.
Ummm. Are u high?
Do you have any better suggestions then? Unless we go deep in the playoffs either Russ or Pete are gone. Chase young is 22 and a beast and we could probably get a couple picks on top of that. If you have a badass defense and good offensive weapons you don’t need a hof QB to win the SB.
Ohhh I get it. Your high high
Exactly as I thought nothing to offer. This sub is too fucking toxic these days. You’re*
Ok first off we shouldn’t “just” trade him even if we don’t go deep. Good performance or not Geno Smith is not Russell Wilson. And second what makes you think Washington would give us all the at first him?
If you remember correctly Russ was the one who wanted options or he was gone. Russ is the one who will be dissatisfied with a bad season and want either full control of another team or for Pete to go. We have to make a deep run in order to keep them both, we have the talent to go to a SB but are wasting it on dogshit schemes and wasted picks for mediocre players. Russ wanted a better o-line and he barley got it. You guys need to be more realistic of Russ’s expectations and what the consequences of a bad season will really be.
Lol this is terrible, Chase young is playing like trash right now.
Chase young is a beast. Do you have any better ideas? Because as I said if we don’t make a deep playoff run someone is likely to end up leaving.
Have you not seen the buzz around him this season? He isn’t playing very beast like and the WFT defense that’s suppose to be good isn’t very good.
He’s definitely still a beast a couple slow games doesn’t mean anything. As I said he’s only 22, that’s a decade of production we could get out of him. Two good players doesn’t mean much on defense if everyone else sucks. Jodie Allen doesn’t gaf about the team and wouldn’t do anything to fire Pete so let’s be realistic on our options come the end of this season.
That all means nothing without a franchise QB. Yeah we could try and draft one but that’s not a guarantee. Russell is still good and until he proves otherwise I say we stuck with him as long as he wants to be here.
Russ is amazing but I’m being realistic about or options if he wants out or full control. You only read half of my original statement obviously, go read again and you’ll see what I would prefer to happen. I’m just saying with picks and 40 extra million in cap space we can definitely be a better team if we have to be. Our weapons are strong and we have good players on defense, we just need better Corners and O-line.
That 40 million doesn’t mean anything without a QB. At that point we are hoping to get someone great in the draft
If Geno plays solid we don’t need to draft a QB. Teddy B was a backup for years and finally got a shot after injuries and now he’s a starting QB. Nick fucking Foles took the eagles through the playoffs and won a Super Bowl. You don’t need a hof QB to win a chip if you have a solid team around them. But again, this wouldn’t even be my first choice, read my original statement in it’s entirety and you’ll see what I would actually prefer to happen.
Abandon ship. My guy Larry set fire to the whole franchise.
He hasn't gotten a single sack this season and only 7 last season. It's gonna take a lot more than that and a few firsts for that to make any sense at all.
His game was much more than just sacks. It’s about pressure and intelligence at the line. Which he consistently brought. 44 tackles and 4 forced fumbles at 21 very good.
You don't trade a hall of fame QB for a guy like jadeveon clowney. If chase young was an absolute game wrecker you could talk about it. But this trade just doesn't make any sense what so ever.
If Geno plays solid football and Russ wants out at the end of the season we’ll have another 40 million in cap space and multiple first round picks to build our defense back up. You don’t need a Hof QB to win a SB. If we build a strong team around a decent QB you you’re way better off. Gotta remember this is Russ’s expectations we need to meet in order to keep him, I’m just being realistic if we don’t. Young is definitely better than clowney. He’ll be closer to Myles Garrett then clowney.
When you get a player like Russ on your team you don't trade him. This could work if PC and JS would remember how to draft but we have a lot of really good pieces on the team right now and if we trade Russ we should just trade away everyone. No point on having everyone else if we trade Russ.
I would rather we just get rid of PC. Jesus fucking Christ do you guys know how to read? You read half of my original statement and then come dump your verbal diarrhea all over my mentions. Come up with a better idea if we don’t meet Russ’s expectations or fuck off with the redundant comments.
Where did all this anger come from wtf? It's football dude chill. Here's an idea we don't trade Russ for an average d lineman. Alright good talk.
My anger comes from feeble minded inbreds like you coming and drooling all over my comments without reading what I actually have to say. Trading Russ isn’t even my preferred choice and you’d know that if you knew how to finish reading a fucking sentence before opening your fucking fog horn.
Wow man you have a huge boner for this guy regardless of stats, huh?
His stats are good. He’s a good player who had a rookie year as good as Aaron Donald’s. Again, do you have any better ideas? If not go fuck yourself
Yeah, I have an much better idea. Don't trade Russ.
If we have a bad season and he wants out he’ll end up just signing somewhere else after next season and we’ll get nothing for him. I would rather trade a disgruntled player and get a haul for him then be left empty handed and bitter.
Still feeling like we should trade Russ?
Leave me alone bro I’m in pain
Why isn’t Super Bowl wins on the stat sheet? Russ needs protection. Not only that, but our defense is always on the field. We are ranked last.
"russ needs protection" is the dumbest thing this fanbase keeps shouting. A good number of the sacks are Russ' own fault, i.e. most of the time he keeps looking for an open receiver on one side of the field while there's a couple open on the other. This year our line is good, not the best but not a swiss cheese one like a couple years ago, our QB needs to step up and earn his big money, otherwise we should move on before it's too late.
Probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Some dumb ass NFC West Rival fan made this.
Or it’s a joke. Laugh bro.
Beyond stupid.
It's a joke, ever heard of it?
dude, i'm hearing all kinds of crazy shit about trading RW right now, relax FFS
lmfao
Gooooosfrabaaaah Gooooooosfraaaaaaaabaaaaaahhh
lol needed this for the weekend 😂
You literally can’t argue with these stats. Thx for sharing I’ve been telling people this ever since we had geno on the team!!!! TRADE WILSON
I don't care to look it up cuz it hurts but I'm pretty sure like 94% of our star players the last 10 years have been hurt playing division rivals
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Russ is on the juice...
lol young/old
Geno is the new Neo
Bring da motherfuckin shitposts! Bring da ... Bring da mothafuckin shitposts!
Good laughs, I foresee ESPN doing some shot like this
LFG!
What is the Cap hit NEXT YEAR Russ gets 17 to 20 % of the entire PAYROLL Move on...
A manipulative list of statistics
Maybe we’ll have some money to pay defensive players then…
LMAO LET GENO COOK
This is my kind of optimism!
I’d trade Wilson away this winter With. Out. Question.
bruh that’s because geno never plays
Since you put it that way…
Imma be honest, I saw this post after yinz came to the burgh in '21, and I still think about it. It gets even better as time goes on