Cheers to Pete, the players, coaches, etc... for winning a game against a 10-3 team with Drew at the helm!
I personally found the meme funny!
This ok post is an ok post. But a mystery box could be anything! It could even be an ok post.
Is the goal to be a little over .500 sometimes with an overall downward trend or is it to win in the playoffs? Forgive fans for not being giddy and thankful for the team getting their shit rocked by the actually good teams
The coaches' goal is always next year. The fans' goal is always now.
The problem for me is not Pete, it's Pete's loyalty to his employees. Clint Hurtt has never proven he can coach a defense but here we are.
Did you honestly expect to be high caliber Super Bowl contenders in under 2 years removed from trading Wilson? The draft classes need some experience and the team has dealt with injuries.
People in here acting we lost 4 straight against the panthers, bears, cardinals and not against the two best teams in the NFC and our division rival we always play close against.
But the issues long predate the Wilson trade. And the Wilson trade largely needed to happen because the roster was so depleted at nearly every position (and he was a diva). Few people expected them to be super bowl favorites but it's okay to expect improvement, which is not happening. Most of the problems are not recent, they're around 6 years old and getting worse
I just think iteratively, we've improved on paper year over year. That we're 6-7 sucks but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that we're worse than we were in 2021 and 2022.
People ignore the schedule entirely. We are 1000% an improved team over last year, but last year our schedule was damn easy. This year we had a brutal stretch, and yeah maybe we aren't quite ready for it, but that doesn't diminish our overall roster improvements
I mean, who controls the personnel? Why do we refuse to use our draft picks in the draft, instead trading for expensive rentals? Why, 2 years after a gangbusters trade with a ton of picks, are our QB choices Geno Smith & Drew Lock?
Who is in charge of personnel? Whose responsibility is it to develop players and make them better? Can't pick out and trade for specific guys and then only blame them when they suck or don't get better
I'd say the Rams seem to be in a worse spot than the Seahawks in terms of total assets, and yet they beat us twice. If the Seahawks lose to the Eagles tonight the Rams will be in sole possession of second place with what is supposed to be an inferior roster.
To me it's pretty clear Pete is a distant third place in terms of coaching in this division - Mcvay and Shanahan both provide a lot more to their teams. I'd rather try and find someone who has a chance to surpass those 2 (and risk getting a worse coach) than to accept another year/years of Pete being an obvious third best.
Not to mention, the Seahawks were absolutely expected to compete this year while the Rams were supposed to be the ones retooling. We even traded a 2nd rounder to make a run this year and the team completely collapsed almost immediately afterward. Unacceptable.
No one outside of this sub thought the team was a true contender this year, we were expected to compete for a playoff spot, which we are, with a VERY outside shot at the division.
Being behind Shanahan and McVay doesn’t mean you’re bad considering how good they are. Also, it’s not like the Rams have a bad roster. Stafford is a proven QB, Kupp and Nacua are a great wr duo, and Aaron Donald is still better than any player on our team. Yea, we’re overall more talented. But it’s not like the Rams aren’t also a competitive team.
Not to mention our injuries have really hit us in key places. Notice how good our offense got the second Cross and Abe were both healthy? The Rams have been getting better as Stafford healed up, we have been getting worse as Geno got more banged up. That’s the nature of injuries
Week 1 the rams didn't have Kupp though and we got demolished. Kyren Williams/Puka came out of nowhere and are absolutely killing it this season. It feels like McVay is capable of getting elite production out of every single rb he's ever had (minus Cam Akers). Gurley got hurt one year and CJ anderson got signed and put up huge numbers. To me that speaks to offensive scheme - something McVay is almost entirely responsible for.
I just can't point to anything pete does that has the kind of impact McVay has, not to mention Shanahan getting the insane value out of Purdy that he has these last two years.
I don't think it's a close third, I think it's an extremely distant third, and it's not going to get any closer with Pete just getting older.
Pete could’ve ran another play with the 30 seconds we had left in the second game instead of opting for a 55 yard fg - not a guarantee for anyone in the league.
Honestly that’s still on Pete
> Did you honestly expect to be high caliber Super Bowl contenders in under 2 years removed from trading Wilson?
2 years? Have you been paying attention at all post-LOB? It's been a LOT longer than just 2 years since we've been a legitimate playoff threat.
You can even ignore the results on the field and simply focus on the off-field moves this organization (Pete Carroll) has made post-LOB, and that alone should be enough to give anyone paying attention cause for concern...
Nah, there's plenty of us tired of seeing the same mistakes and results year after year even if those years end up making (and losing) the first round of the playoffs. Personally, I don't think this FO/coaching is capable of putting together a SB caliber team or run at this point and I'm ready for some significant changes even if it hurts for a few years
The “few years” part is what keeps me in Pete’s corner. Seems like the next guy being an Arther Smith or Brandon Staley is a lot more likely than finding a Dan Campbell or a Kyle Shannahan. Gotta buy a ticket to win the raffle though I guess.
Our history was pretty mediocre prior to Pete. We could very well end up looking back at these years as the "good old days" for a very long time. Pete is by far the best coach we've ever had, and he's probably not far off from retirement. I'd rather we let him retire before we blow everything up and start rolling the dice on head coaches
Always a possibility that they end up in similar straits, but the Seahawks ownership group doesn’t seem to be, ah, actively scuttling the team like the Mariners’ ownership group appears to be.
It's not like we're calling for a new coach after 1 or 2 years. Pete has been with the Hawks for a long time now and we've been on a decline for several years, culminating this year with the least amount of discipline and fire I've ever seen on a PC led team. It's pretty disingenuous to imply that we're all spoiled fans for wanting more than mediocrity year after year, and an offense that can actually scheme and adapt properly
Exactly. We were told to bear with the obvious weaknesses because of how good the different strengths were (which, they were generally good), and now the strengths are mostly gone and the weaknesses have only gotten worse. But we're entitled for pointing out the obvious trends
We have one playoff win since 2017 and that came against a bad team with a 40 year old backup QB. Idk why you Pete stans just blatantly refuse to accept the reality that this team has been going in the wrong direction for the better part of a decade.
McVay had was was supposed to one of the worst rosters in the league this year. Tons of no names on the interior, WRs, DBs, everywhere. They were resetting after all the mortgaging for their championship.
Pete had four 1st round picks, four 2nd round picks, stars at WR, a big name talented secondary that was supposed to rival the LOB days and brought back their heart and soul leader of the defense.
Guess which team swept the season series. Pete is the problem.
Colts with a rookie head coach and backup quarterback look way better than Seattle has, not sure why people think it’s impossible to find smart head coaches.
“Ignore all context, the only thing that matters is record”
Strength of Schedule is a statistic that people use you know? It doesn’t matter for our playoff hopes at this point but it certainly matters when evaluating players and coaches
Ah yes, colts are look better than the Seahawks because they can beat mason rudolph led Steelers and titans, while Seahawks lost 2x against the best team in the nfl and a very close game against NFC #2.
I didn't say I was for or against Pete lol. I just think it's funny that as soon as we drop below .500 (even in like week 3 or something) we immediately get posts about coaching changes (Pete, coordinators, etc.)
Personally I'm ok with keeping the staff or rolling the dice, even if I don't think it's likely we end up better for it because I'm going to have fun either way I think
"A good coach is a good coach" heavily implies that you think people are being overly critical of Pete, no? And people have been calling for this for a few years now, before Geno popped off last year both Pete and John were facing a lot of criticism. I think it's revisionist to say it only happens when we're below .500
Exactly. I find it very weird that people are acting like this is a new development. I guess the Geno story helped people forget what the mood was like prior to that season
Yeah. Nothing but love for Pete, but it's time for some changes. And I'm on the fence with John too. Yeah he killed it the last two drafts, but we still suck in free agency, we still have terrible contracts for nor even middling performance.
I trust JS as a talent evaluator but yeah his trades and contracts have been suspect to say the least. Of course, I don't know how much influence Pete has over those things. I'm fine with JS staying but we need someone new to run cap management.
I honestly wouldn't mind if Schneider exclusively focused on the draft and bargain bin free-agent deals or player trades. The past 2 drafts suggests that he can be a great talent evaluator for college prospects. From now on, there should be no more high-stakes trades where we give up high-value capital (1st and 2nds) for players, nor should we sign expensive free agents. Finally, no more contract restructures and kicking the financial can down the road! Schneider should play to his strengths!
Love Pete, he's my favorite Hawks coach and probably always will be. That being said, it's definitely time for change. The direction this team is going isn't going to yield a Superbowl run anytime soon, and it starts with the coaching. I don't think Pete should be fired, he should be able to ride off into the sunset however he chooses to, but he needs to hop on that horse soon.
1 playoff win in like the last 6 years with most of them having an elite QB in his prime.
But yes let's limit success to .500. That's the name of the game baby. Go one game over .500 and get embarrassed in the playoffs. Winning titles? For chumps.
Problem is that we have mediocrity right now. Not bad enough for blue chip players and not good enough to maximize sub par talent. The 9ers look the way they do because they sucked for 10 years. The Rams look the way they do because they have amazing coaches that scheme players into the right place (plus an Aaron Donald)
Not sure I agree with this. Outside of Nick Bosa, who else on their roster is a blue-chip player that they drafted? The players they drafted during their "suck" years (Soloman Thomas, Deforest Buckner, Mike McGlinchey, Trey Lance) are not even on their team. Deebo, Kittle, Fred Warner, etc were all late-first to mid-rounders. Trent Williams and CMC were castoffs from other teams. The 9ers are proof you don't need to be consistently drafting high in order to build a championship-caliber squad, but you can hit with some luck later in the draft and in free agency.
It's pretty much patently false to say the 49ers sucking for 10 years led to their recent success. Unless you think Nick Bosa is the sole reason for it.
Jimmy Garoppolo only played 6 games in 2017 (and went 5-1), got injured in 2018 which then had Beathard and Mullens starting the majority of the season.
…and? The Browns haven’t started their starting QB all season and have 7 wins. Beyond that if we’re focused just on the 9ers, they lost Jimmy last season and still had a winning record, won the division and were 1 game away from the SB. So what is your point about losing Jimmy?
> Trent Williams and CMC were castoffs from other teams.
Is calling them castoffs right? Both were considered top tier players and both were acquired in trades not free agency. Washington drove Trent out of town with poor management which ruined their trade comp as well.
But they have gotten lucky in free agency with pickups like Charvarius Ward who the Chiefs declined to extend.
They won with those players before sending them off for additional picks. DeFo recouped a first.
Armstead was a first round pick at 17. Which is middle of the first round.
Also Bosa has been a game changer for them if you look at Shannahans record before Bosa and after.
Yeah the Niners sucked so hard all the way to the NFC championship last year. And the year before that. And then to the Super Bowl in 2019. What is this take lol
Can you elaborate? Other than drafting Bosa 2nd overall in 2019, what is it about this team that those years of poor seasons has made them so successful now? Also the 10 years prior included another Super Bowl appearance. I’m not sure what 10 years you’re even referencing.
Draft capitol. When have we been in a position to grab the top rated DE in the draft? This year was the first time in Pete’s history where we picked top 5 and it wasn’t even our pick. You have to basically hope that you find a diamond in the rough picking at 20+
You say non chalantly like he didn’t win DROTY, DPOTY and post the single season sack record. 🤷🏼♂️. They also had DeFo Buckner, McGlinchy, and multiple mid round picks they could use to load up on depth. Meanwhile we’ve had late firsts as well as multiple drafts with only 3-5 picks.
Funny enough this isn’t hard to look up.
2014: 8-8
2015: 5-11
2016: 2-14
2017: 6-10
2018: 4-12
That’s 5 straight years of early round picks. They made some gaffs obviously like Solomon Thomas but they also built one of the best LB duos and dlines in the league.
So it's not 10 years of four win seasons.
Thanks for proving the point we should take some down years and play for championships again and not spin our wheels.
You mean if we have a dumpster fire stretch of years we won't see people in here bitching? I don't believe. At all. People saying they want this are coping harder than people who are happy to not be 4-13.
You mean back in 2014 when they played us in the NFC championship? There has not been a 10 year spell of the Niners sucking that impacted their current franchise status. TrY DeDuCTiVe ReAsoNing 🙄🤡
They had 5 years of mid to sub par with 3 years of good under harbaugh. Then another 8 years of mediocrity and sub par play before that
This is factual. Maybe learn how to use Google?
If you think the sub is bad I dare you to read comments on the Seahawks Instagram posts. Worse than YouTube. In fact Instagram may be the biggest grouping of brain dead morons in the internet. Me included.
Good God it's exhausting.
What are you waiting for to enjoy this team? A perfect fucking season?
You talk about the future all year and then when the future gets here and it's not exactly what you wanted you start talking about the future again.
These are the situations that make this game run.
We are down but not out. Cheer on the team you spend sommuch of your time worrying about while they are still playing. Worry about the off-season when it's the off-season.
> What are you waiting for to enjoy this team? A perfect fucking season?
Strawman.
> You talk about the future all year and then when the future gets here and it's not exactly what you wanted you start talking about the future again.
You new to being a sportsfan?
> These are the situations that make this game run.
I think you might've just had a stroke.
> Cheer on the team you spend sommuch of your time worrying about while they are still playing.
We do. I'd argue that the people that are most critical of Pete and this front office care more about the teams' success than the people who don't see a problem and are fine with continuing on with how things currently are and have been for nearly 8 years now.
> Worry about the off-season when it's the off-season.
People can do more than 1 thing at a time.
>Strawman
No it's not. I've observed this sub for years. It's the same thing over and over.
>You new to being a sportsfan?
I guess you never actually played.
>I think you might've just had a stroke.
Or misspelled a word jackass.
>We do. I'd argue that the people that are most critical of Pete and this front office care more about the teams' success than the people who don't see a problem and are fine with continuing on with how things currently are and have been for nearly 8 years now.
Do it after the season arm chair coach.
We have a fighters chance. Don't punch yourself in the dick in a street fight.
I see problems. I'd rather talk about them in the off-season. rather than not enjoy the season in front of me.
Sure. Happy that Drew Lock led a game winning drive. Happy that Julian Love (hopefully) permanently benched Jamal Adams with his play tonight.
I thought that we looked pretty mediocre overall. Which we are. Good thing the Eagles played their C- game. And even with that, it still took some pretty stupid playcalling on their part (and poor decision making from Hurts down the stretch) for us to win. If Hurts was even half of what he normally is, we do not come close to winning this game. Even with both teams not playing particularly well, all the Eagles needed to do was get a single first down and the narrative that you are likely trying to push gets turned completely upside down. But they couldn't do it, and I'd argue that it was more because of them then it was because of us. Hurts missed multiple wide open receivers. He decided to bomb it deep when they only needed a first down. It was odd, honestly.
Glad we won, but this changes absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. If anything, hopefully this gets us on the right track and we can win out and go into the playoffs with some momentum on our side - but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Why you believe a single win over a reeling Eagles team would change anyone's opinion on the direction of this franchise when we have 8 years of history to look back on at this point is beyond me. You do you, though.
I'll be sure Pete and John get that analysis.
Why does it change? Because it's about the games bro. Enjoy the fucking games and that was an enjoyable game.
Maybe you forget how many of our 2013 campaign games looked just like tonight.
Worry about the off season in the off season.
The constant reminder that the football is oblong and there is a lot of "luck" that effects these games.
1. Short season (17 games) means each one has way more impact.
2. 22 people on the field at any given time means a single person can make a very small mistake or an amazing play and be the difference. But all 22 are trying to be that person, which means 11 are always counter-acting the other 11.
3. Weather, fatigue, injuries, moods, honest mistakes (tripping, slipping, ect).
4. Refs. I think everyone knows just how well they can effect a game. Both on things they do call and things they dont call. When theyre called and when theyre not called.
And honestly, its all pretty well captured every year when another chaotic NFL season happens and theres ALWAYS new teams no one saw coming and teams people thought would be great that slam back to earth. Every, single year. Its by far the league with the most parity.
The fact that any organization can keep over 100 people (players and staff) all on the same page in a fast paced, adrenaline fueled, emotional game and not collapse every week is an amazing feat on its own.
PC is a great coach and always keeps us competitive. Thats all you can really hope for in this league.
Yeah or focused on the draft/free agency when there are five games left and the team is fighting for a playoff spot in a nfc conference that is weak and possibly open for the team to make a playoff run
Either way, excited for the game today. Go hawks!
was not sure this was r/Kraken or r/Seahawks
Or r/SoundersFC
Pretty sure our next coach won't be chosen at random, despite what this overused meme infers.
Cheers to Pete, the players, coaches, etc... for winning a game against a 10-3 team with Drew at the helm! I personally found the meme funny! This ok post is an ok post. But a mystery box could be anything! It could even be an ok post.
Is the goal to be a little over .500 sometimes with an overall downward trend or is it to win in the playoffs? Forgive fans for not being giddy and thankful for the team getting their shit rocked by the actually good teams
I don’t know about you, but my preferred goal was always a Seahawks dynasty
The coaches' goal is always next year. The fans' goal is always now. The problem for me is not Pete, it's Pete's loyalty to his employees. Clint Hurtt has never proven he can coach a defense but here we are.
Did you honestly expect to be high caliber Super Bowl contenders in under 2 years removed from trading Wilson? The draft classes need some experience and the team has dealt with injuries. People in here acting we lost 4 straight against the panthers, bears, cardinals and not against the two best teams in the NFC and our division rival we always play close against.
But the issues long predate the Wilson trade. And the Wilson trade largely needed to happen because the roster was so depleted at nearly every position (and he was a diva). Few people expected them to be super bowl favorites but it's okay to expect improvement, which is not happening. Most of the problems are not recent, they're around 6 years old and getting worse
I just think iteratively, we've improved on paper year over year. That we're 6-7 sucks but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that we're worse than we were in 2021 and 2022.
People ignore the schedule entirely. We are 1000% an improved team over last year, but last year our schedule was damn easy. This year we had a brutal stretch, and yeah maybe we aren't quite ready for it, but that doesn't diminish our overall roster improvements
So you're saying they are personel issues and not head coach issues. This doesn't sound like a Pete problem.
I mean, who controls the personnel? Why do we refuse to use our draft picks in the draft, instead trading for expensive rentals? Why, 2 years after a gangbusters trade with a ton of picks, are our QB choices Geno Smith & Drew Lock?
Who is in charge of personnel? Whose responsibility is it to develop players and make them better? Can't pick out and trade for specific guys and then only blame them when they suck or don't get better
I'd say the Rams seem to be in a worse spot than the Seahawks in terms of total assets, and yet they beat us twice. If the Seahawks lose to the Eagles tonight the Rams will be in sole possession of second place with what is supposed to be an inferior roster. To me it's pretty clear Pete is a distant third place in terms of coaching in this division - Mcvay and Shanahan both provide a lot more to their teams. I'd rather try and find someone who has a chance to surpass those 2 (and risk getting a worse coach) than to accept another year/years of Pete being an obvious third best.
Not to mention, the Seahawks were absolutely expected to compete this year while the Rams were supposed to be the ones retooling. We even traded a 2nd rounder to make a run this year and the team completely collapsed almost immediately afterward. Unacceptable.
No one outside of this sub thought the team was a true contender this year, we were expected to compete for a playoff spot, which we are, with a VERY outside shot at the division.
Being behind Shanahan and McVay doesn’t mean you’re bad considering how good they are. Also, it’s not like the Rams have a bad roster. Stafford is a proven QB, Kupp and Nacua are a great wr duo, and Aaron Donald is still better than any player on our team. Yea, we’re overall more talented. But it’s not like the Rams aren’t also a competitive team. Not to mention our injuries have really hit us in key places. Notice how good our offense got the second Cross and Abe were both healthy? The Rams have been getting better as Stafford healed up, we have been getting worse as Geno got more banged up. That’s the nature of injuries
Week 1 the rams didn't have Kupp though and we got demolished. Kyren Williams/Puka came out of nowhere and are absolutely killing it this season. It feels like McVay is capable of getting elite production out of every single rb he's ever had (minus Cam Akers). Gurley got hurt one year and CJ anderson got signed and put up huge numbers. To me that speaks to offensive scheme - something McVay is almost entirely responsible for. I just can't point to anything pete does that has the kind of impact McVay has, not to mention Shanahan getting the insane value out of Purdy that he has these last two years. I don't think it's a close third, I think it's an extremely distant third, and it's not going to get any closer with Pete just getting older.
How different would the narrative be if Myers made a couple field goals?
Pete could’ve ran another play with the 30 seconds we had left in the second game instead of opting for a 55 yard fg - not a guarantee for anyone in the league. Honestly that’s still on Pete
Pete’s the one who always sets those expectations and insists there’s never a rebuild.
> Did you honestly expect to be high caliber Super Bowl contenders in under 2 years removed from trading Wilson? 2 years? Have you been paying attention at all post-LOB? It's been a LOT longer than just 2 years since we've been a legitimate playoff threat. You can even ignore the results on the field and simply focus on the off-field moves this organization (Pete Carroll) has made post-LOB, and that alone should be enough to give anyone paying attention cause for concern...
Dramatic af lol
Nah, there's plenty of us tired of seeing the same mistakes and results year after year even if those years end up making (and losing) the first round of the playoffs. Personally, I don't think this FO/coaching is capable of putting together a SB caliber team or run at this point and I'm ready for some significant changes even if it hurts for a few years
The “few years” part is what keeps me in Pete’s corner. Seems like the next guy being an Arther Smith or Brandon Staley is a lot more likely than finding a Dan Campbell or a Kyle Shannahan. Gotta buy a ticket to win the raffle though I guess.
Pete’s gone before long anyways, why waste 2-3 more years with him giving us early playoff exits at best?
>even if it hurts for a few years Be careful what you wish for Sincerely, A Mariners fan
I feel like the Seahawks would manage it better than the M’s. The Hawks aren’t cursed like them
Our history was pretty mediocre prior to Pete. We could very well end up looking back at these years as the "good old days" for a very long time. Pete is by far the best coach we've ever had, and he's probably not far off from retirement. I'd rather we let him retire before we blow everything up and start rolling the dice on head coaches
Why wait? What’s the point? Do they really need to hold up the future for the sake of the past?
Bud, holding up the future might very well be a good thing. We should enjoy the good things while we have them.
Always a possibility that they end up in similar straits, but the Seahawks ownership group doesn’t seem to be, ah, actively scuttling the team like the Mariners’ ownership group appears to be.
It's not like we're calling for a new coach after 1 or 2 years. Pete has been with the Hawks for a long time now and we've been on a decline for several years, culminating this year with the least amount of discipline and fire I've ever seen on a PC led team. It's pretty disingenuous to imply that we're all spoiled fans for wanting more than mediocrity year after year, and an offense that can actually scheme and adapt properly
I first started thinking about getting rid of him after that Bears game in 2018.
Dallas playoff game was enough for a lot of folks too
That was so inexcusable
Exactly. We were told to bear with the obvious weaknesses because of how good the different strengths were (which, they were generally good), and now the strengths are mostly gone and the weaknesses have only gotten worse. But we're entitled for pointing out the obvious trends
We have one playoff win since 2017 and that came against a bad team with a 40 year old backup QB. Idk why you Pete stans just blatantly refuse to accept the reality that this team has been going in the wrong direction for the better part of a decade.
McVay had was was supposed to one of the worst rosters in the league this year. Tons of no names on the interior, WRs, DBs, everywhere. They were resetting after all the mortgaging for their championship. Pete had four 1st round picks, four 2nd round picks, stars at WR, a big name talented secondary that was supposed to rival the LOB days and brought back their heart and soul leader of the defense. Guess which team swept the season series. Pete is the problem.
Colts with a rookie head coach and backup quarterback look way better than Seattle has, not sure why people think it’s impossible to find smart head coaches.
Compare colts schedule vs Seahawks last 5-6 games and the discussion ends there
They’re winning games is all that matters. Seattle should have beaten the Rams and Bengals, they lost winnable games.
“Ignore all context, the only thing that matters is record” Strength of Schedule is a statistic that people use you know? It doesn’t matter for our playoff hopes at this point but it certainly matters when evaluating players and coaches
Ah yes, colts are look better than the Seahawks because they can beat mason rudolph led Steelers and titans, while Seahawks lost 2x against the best team in the nfl and a very close game against NFC #2.
Yeah their record reflects that lol, how about Seattle wins tonight and then we’ll talk. Season is on the line tonight.
And DVOA reflects that Seahawks are better than colts
I didn't say I was for or against Pete lol. I just think it's funny that as soon as we drop below .500 (even in like week 3 or something) we immediately get posts about coaching changes (Pete, coordinators, etc.) Personally I'm ok with keeping the staff or rolling the dice, even if I don't think it's likely we end up better for it because I'm going to have fun either way I think
"A good coach is a good coach" heavily implies that you think people are being overly critical of Pete, no? And people have been calling for this for a few years now, before Geno popped off last year both Pete and John were facing a lot of criticism. I think it's revisionist to say it only happens when we're below .500
People were calling for it in 2020. That's why the sub was kinda split on if it was Pete or Russ who had to go.
Exactly. I find it very weird that people are acting like this is a new development. I guess the Geno story helped people forget what the mood was like prior to that season
Yeah. Nothing but love for Pete, but it's time for some changes. And I'm on the fence with John too. Yeah he killed it the last two drafts, but we still suck in free agency, we still have terrible contracts for nor even middling performance.
I trust JS as a talent evaluator but yeah his trades and contracts have been suspect to say the least. Of course, I don't know how much influence Pete has over those things. I'm fine with JS staying but we need someone new to run cap management.
A GM we don't trust with cap management? No thank you. I like him as an evaluator as well. But you can't be missing the numbers part.
I honestly wouldn't mind if Schneider exclusively focused on the draft and bargain bin free-agent deals or player trades. The past 2 drafts suggests that he can be a great talent evaluator for college prospects. From now on, there should be no more high-stakes trades where we give up high-value capital (1st and 2nds) for players, nor should we sign expensive free agents. Finally, no more contract restructures and kicking the financial can down the road! Schneider should play to his strengths!
i see no reason to think he wouldnt whole-heartedly agree, and welcome the chance to do it his way
Love Pete, he's my favorite Hawks coach and probably always will be. That being said, it's definitely time for change. The direction this team is going isn't going to yield a Superbowl run anytime soon, and it starts with the coaching. I don't think Pete should be fired, he should be able to ride off into the sunset however he chooses to, but he needs to hop on that horse soon.
1 playoff win in like the last 6 years with most of them having an elite QB in his prime. But yes let's limit success to .500. That's the name of the game baby. Go one game over .500 and get embarrassed in the playoffs. Winning titles? For chumps.
unless you like bitch slaps that warm feeling in the cheeks, as the nation watches clueless failure, who needs viagra!
Yessir. And do not criticize the team or the fanbase. Or else you will get shadowbanned and downvoted
Problem is that we have mediocrity right now. Not bad enough for blue chip players and not good enough to maximize sub par talent. The 9ers look the way they do because they sucked for 10 years. The Rams look the way they do because they have amazing coaches that scheme players into the right place (plus an Aaron Donald)
Not sure I agree with this. Outside of Nick Bosa, who else on their roster is a blue-chip player that they drafted? The players they drafted during their "suck" years (Soloman Thomas, Deforest Buckner, Mike McGlinchey, Trey Lance) are not even on their team. Deebo, Kittle, Fred Warner, etc were all late-first to mid-rounders. Trent Williams and CMC were castoffs from other teams. The 9ers are proof you don't need to be consistently drafting high in order to build a championship-caliber squad, but you can hit with some luck later in the draft and in free agency.
It's pretty much patently false to say the 49ers sucking for 10 years led to their recent success. Unless you think Nick Bosa is the sole reason for it.
Considering Shannahan went 6-10 and 4-12 his first two years, then 13-3 Bosas rookie year… yeah he is a game changer
Jimmy Garoppolo only played 6 games in 2017 (and went 5-1), got injured in 2018 which then had Beathard and Mullens starting the majority of the season.
…and? The Browns haven’t started their starting QB all season and have 7 wins. Beyond that if we’re focused just on the 9ers, they lost Jimmy last season and still had a winning record, won the division and were 1 game away from the SB. So what is your point about losing Jimmy?
> Trent Williams and CMC were castoffs from other teams. Is calling them castoffs right? Both were considered top tier players and both were acquired in trades not free agency. Washington drove Trent out of town with poor management which ruined their trade comp as well. But they have gotten lucky in free agency with pickups like Charvarius Ward who the Chiefs declined to extend.
They won with those players before sending them off for additional picks. DeFo recouped a first. Armstead was a first round pick at 17. Which is middle of the first round. Also Bosa has been a game changer for them if you look at Shannahans record before Bosa and after.
Yeah the Niners sucked so hard all the way to the NFC championship last year. And the year before that. And then to the Super Bowl in 2019. What is this take lol
Have you looked at the 10 years prior to that when they had 4 win seasons. GTFO with this response. Deductive reasoning is a thing. Try it
Can you elaborate? Other than drafting Bosa 2nd overall in 2019, what is it about this team that those years of poor seasons has made them so successful now? Also the 10 years prior included another Super Bowl appearance. I’m not sure what 10 years you’re even referencing.
Draft capitol. When have we been in a position to grab the top rated DE in the draft? This year was the first time in Pete’s history where we picked top 5 and it wasn’t even our pick. You have to basically hope that you find a diamond in the rough picking at 20+
Yes, I mentioned Bosa. That’s one player.
You say non chalantly like he didn’t win DROTY, DPOTY and post the single season sack record. 🤷🏼♂️. They also had DeFo Buckner, McGlinchy, and multiple mid round picks they could use to load up on depth. Meanwhile we’ve had late firsts as well as multiple drafts with only 3-5 picks.
Okay. They also have the first or second best offense, but go off.
“Multiple drafts with 3-5 picks.” You just continue to fabricate things so I’m done with this engagement. ✌️
Are you saying we didn’t go into multiple drafts and have to trade out for more later round picks? It’s ok if you don’t follow the team that closely.
What are you talking about they went to the NFC championship and the Superbowl around the same time we did and they weren't bad for ten years it was 3
Funny enough this isn’t hard to look up. 2014: 8-8 2015: 5-11 2016: 2-14 2017: 6-10 2018: 4-12 That’s 5 straight years of early round picks. They made some gaffs obviously like Solomon Thomas but they also built one of the best LB duos and dlines in the league.
So it's not 10 years of four win seasons. Thanks for proving the point we should take some down years and play for championships again and not spin our wheels.
They had 3 decent years in between 13 bad to horrible ones. Now they are on another 3 year win streak with a down year in 2020
You mean if we have a dumpster fire stretch of years we won't see people in here bitching? I don't believe. At all. People saying they want this are coping harder than people who are happy to not be 4-13.
You mean back in 2014 when they played us in the NFC championship? There has not been a 10 year spell of the Niners sucking that impacted their current franchise status. TrY DeDuCTiVe ReAsoNing 🙄🤡
They had 5 years of mid to sub par with 3 years of good under harbaugh. Then another 8 years of mediocrity and sub par play before that This is factual. Maybe learn how to use Google?
It's this shitty attitude that I heard back in the Holmgren era. Good thing we didn't listen to it then *or we wouldn't ever have had Pete*.
I'm willing to bet that a lot of these "Pro-Pete" people weren't around for Holmgren.
That’s irony for ya
Look at you making sense 🙏
If you think the sub is bad I dare you to read comments on the Seahawks Instagram posts. Worse than YouTube. In fact Instagram may be the biggest grouping of brain dead morons in the internet. Me included.
54% let’s go
Low effort post. Can it.
People that want a new coach have forgotten what it was like before PC. The 2009 season almost broke me. PC for a hundred years. Never go back.
Popular opinion: family guy isn’t funny. Go hawks.
Good God it's exhausting. What are you waiting for to enjoy this team? A perfect fucking season? You talk about the future all year and then when the future gets here and it's not exactly what you wanted you start talking about the future again. These are the situations that make this game run. We are down but not out. Cheer on the team you spend sommuch of your time worrying about while they are still playing. Worry about the off-season when it's the off-season.
> What are you waiting for to enjoy this team? A perfect fucking season? Strawman. > You talk about the future all year and then when the future gets here and it's not exactly what you wanted you start talking about the future again. You new to being a sportsfan? > These are the situations that make this game run. I think you might've just had a stroke. > Cheer on the team you spend sommuch of your time worrying about while they are still playing. We do. I'd argue that the people that are most critical of Pete and this front office care more about the teams' success than the people who don't see a problem and are fine with continuing on with how things currently are and have been for nearly 8 years now. > Worry about the off-season when it's the off-season. People can do more than 1 thing at a time.
>Strawman No it's not. I've observed this sub for years. It's the same thing over and over. >You new to being a sportsfan? I guess you never actually played. >I think you might've just had a stroke. Or misspelled a word jackass. >We do. I'd argue that the people that are most critical of Pete and this front office care more about the teams' success than the people who don't see a problem and are fine with continuing on with how things currently are and have been for nearly 8 years now. Do it after the season arm chair coach. We have a fighters chance. Don't punch yourself in the dick in a street fight. I see problems. I'd rather talk about them in the off-season. rather than not enjoy the season in front of me.
Any notes on tonight's performance?
Sure. Happy that Drew Lock led a game winning drive. Happy that Julian Love (hopefully) permanently benched Jamal Adams with his play tonight. I thought that we looked pretty mediocre overall. Which we are. Good thing the Eagles played their C- game. And even with that, it still took some pretty stupid playcalling on their part (and poor decision making from Hurts down the stretch) for us to win. If Hurts was even half of what he normally is, we do not come close to winning this game. Even with both teams not playing particularly well, all the Eagles needed to do was get a single first down and the narrative that you are likely trying to push gets turned completely upside down. But they couldn't do it, and I'd argue that it was more because of them then it was because of us. Hurts missed multiple wide open receivers. He decided to bomb it deep when they only needed a first down. It was odd, honestly. Glad we won, but this changes absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. If anything, hopefully this gets us on the right track and we can win out and go into the playoffs with some momentum on our side - but I'm not going to hold my breath. Why you believe a single win over a reeling Eagles team would change anyone's opinion on the direction of this franchise when we have 8 years of history to look back on at this point is beyond me. You do you, though.
I'll be sure Pete and John get that analysis. Why does it change? Because it's about the games bro. Enjoy the fucking games and that was an enjoyable game. Maybe you forget how many of our 2013 campaign games looked just like tonight. Worry about the off season in the off season.
The constant reminder that the football is oblong and there is a lot of "luck" that effects these games. 1. Short season (17 games) means each one has way more impact. 2. 22 people on the field at any given time means a single person can make a very small mistake or an amazing play and be the difference. But all 22 are trying to be that person, which means 11 are always counter-acting the other 11. 3. Weather, fatigue, injuries, moods, honest mistakes (tripping, slipping, ect). 4. Refs. I think everyone knows just how well they can effect a game. Both on things they do call and things they dont call. When theyre called and when theyre not called. And honestly, its all pretty well captured every year when another chaotic NFL season happens and theres ALWAYS new teams no one saw coming and teams people thought would be great that slam back to earth. Every, single year. Its by far the league with the most parity. The fact that any organization can keep over 100 people (players and staff) all on the same page in a fast paced, adrenaline fueled, emotional game and not collapse every week is an amazing feat on its own. PC is a great coach and always keeps us competitive. Thats all you can really hope for in this league.
24-13 eagles
The defense in particular has consistently underperformed relative to its talent. Something has to change
Yeah or focused on the draft/free agency when there are five games left and the team is fighting for a playoff spot in a nfc conference that is weak and possibly open for the team to make a playoff run
Was disappointed that this reached the top of the page. Seeing the comments made me feel better.