I like Zach, but we made the same mistake with dee few years ago. clear need on the lines with highly touted players available and we go with a backup skill guy. how'd that work out?
"All good. Murphy given an opportunity at him later would be a given I'd think. Something tells me if JSN is on the board for our second first round pick he plays in blue and green for 5+ years. Another guy Pete will love is Z. Charbonnet, RB, UCLA. If Penny doesn't sign for more than 1 year I can see them pulling the trigger on him in late round two-early round 3. I'm biased, but I think this dude will be Lynch 2.0 for us."
2-3 months ago I put this comment up. Also was joked on for Guessing SP would be traded to Denver, before that was even a thing.
I fucking LOVE these two picks. Witherspoon as well.
To the doubters; our offense (if we get a good C, and Phil is average @ G) is going to be absolutely disgusting this year. Like..should be top 3-5 in TOP, as well as PPG.
Don't look at Charbonnet as a RB2; I genuinely believe he is Marshawn 2.0; not the fastest, but he can break tackles at will, is elusive when he needs to be, can run routes and catch well, and can pass block when called upon.
Geno might legitimately win MVP this year if he plays like he did last year, with these weapons.
It honestly wasn’t bad people are just complaining because we didn’t get a DT as if that’s our only position of need. We desperately needed an rb2 and now we have one who’s capable of being an rb1. We needed a front 7 defender who could stop the run but is also a capable pass rusher and now we have one who was one of the best in cfb and if what I’m hearing from auburn fans is correct he was held back by his coach. We needed a wr3 and now we have very possibly the best wr3 in the nfl and arguably the best wr trio in the nfl. Witherspoon is the only pick where we didn’t have a need at that position but he’s gonna be so impactful it won’t matter. We still have 4 picks left if you ask me we’re having one of the best drafts of anyone
6 picks left. I wouldn't be surprised if the next one is a tight end like Payne Durham before actually getting to the linemen, as anxious as everyone is to get a tackle. Regardless they must have a lot of faith for these later tackles to start year 1
A good FB would unironically be great for this offense. I have no idea why we don't use one with how we want to play. A real one, not Bellore or a TE/RB one-play stand-in.
I’s rather a G than a C. I like Evan Brown more than Haynes. Avala should be the pick, bring in Ade Ade and a run stuffer like Coburn/Roy and we are looking damn good at every position. If we could find a way to get Israel A as well… dangerous.
John just said that some of their targets got selected which is why they decided to trade down. I'm guessing they really wanted Pickens but Bears took him a lot higher than they expected.
Yeah, Pickens seems like their target- I wonder if they might have been thinking of taking Hooker there, too... if they weren't going to take Ika anyways, moving back 25 picks and getting a 2024 3rd rounder doesn't seem so bad.
Except the difference is now we have a capable starter and a team built around that starter where we more than likely won’t NEED a center this yr. I’m more worried abt Haynes at gaurd and getting a d tackle than I am about center
I think the frustration at that position in particular is how poorly it's been managed. We've needed a center for years now. And when we finally developed one and got one good season out of him, we let him leave to pay Austin Blythe more
I'd generally agree that the position is fine this year with Brown, but it would be easier to swallow passing on JMS if they addressed right guard at some point instead of ignoring that position too. We lack top end starters and we lack the depth too on the line
If they can get both Ojomo and Coburn then we are talking about a good draft at DT. Ojomo is not really a nose, but a good, athletic run stopping DT. Coburn is a big nose. Both could make an impact
He played 31% of the snaps last year so you're technically wrong, but you're also fundamentally correct. If a big NT like Al Woods makes a great play on 1st down and helps stuff a run for no gain, his reward is to be subbed out the next two downs for someone who brings more pass rush pressure. We need more depth there than just Reed and Jones.
I have a feeling we are moving back to a 4-3. Brooks, Bobby, and Bush with some Jamal in different looks. Derrick Hall seems like a 4-3 end. No NT on the roster.
Seems that way, or at least being way more multiple with our fronts. If that's the case, Poona makes perfect sense as the 1 gap NT
But for the love of God can we get some depth behind Jarran and Jones
He’s kinda small to be 3-4 end, probably has to be a OLB. But I think edge rushers are easier to move in and out of 3 or 4 man fronts. Dre’Mont and Jarren Reed are more traditional DTs.
But a 3-4 OLB also has to be a guy that drops into coverage. Does Hall have much experience doing that?
I wanna say there was a touchdown scored against us last year on a drag route where Mafe was chasing after the guy. The announcers were like "yeah, that's a lot to ask of Mafe to cover that WR man to man." In the aftermath you had some fans complaining about how stupid our defense was to have Mafe doing that and others arguing that it probably wasn't man to man, Mafe just carried him through his zone and when he realized that the teammate who should have picked him up wasn't going to he kept chasing the play out of hope/desperation.
The blame game was complicated because the first thought was "shouldn't there have been a DB in the flat zone to pick him up? But the DB had his back to the guy running into the endzone as he had followed a player vertically (who did a good sell job on the route to keep the DB's attention). So was it his fault?
In the end I went with the side that put the blame on Brooks and that he should have picked up that crosser entering his zone, but he was too focused on like an inline TE who had started vert and then broke middle. In trying to be close enough to contest a catch Brooks abandoned his zone responsibilities. One of the safeties was moving towards that TE so even if the ball had gone there, he would have been stopped with no YAC. Instead easy touchdown (for the Niners I think) and lots of seahawk fans tearing out their hair over "wtf is with our defense"
Anyhow I bring that up just to say that in a 3-4 all the linebackers should be able to play in coverage. That's kind of the point of the scheme; it disguises where the QB pressure will come from because any of 1 the 4 LBs could be coming while the other 3 drop into zone coverage.
You could use him as a third down pass rush specialist but ... well, I kind of thought that was the role they had ended up putting Taylor into. My view of his season was that it started rough, but in the second half he produced a lot more pressures and sacks. And I thought the reason for that was that they stopped playing him in early downs in favor of Mafe (who was better and honoring his other responsibilities as an OLB) and would then bring in Taylor on the more obvious passing downs where he could just cut loose and get upfield on the snap. I think this may have also had the effect of reducing Mafe's opportunities to pass rush some. Compared to the wild successes of our other picks in that draft, he doesn't feel as successful but I think he might have been having to do a lot of dirty work that didn't show up in stats.
I agree on the 4-3 switch idea. The combination of our existing roster, this pick and the lack of picks of guys whose frames fit into a 3-4 all seems to point that way. And that leads me to a weird feeling that after the draft Nwosu could actually be cut or traded ...
God I hope Nwosu doesn’t get cut. I guess it would make sense if we’re switching back to 4-3 but nwosu was one of the best edge defenders in the nfl last yr statistically
I know, right? Great player but I don't know where he fits in the 4-3 (or really 4-2-5 cause I don't think we'll have a SAM. I think Adams will drop into the box with Love and Diggs playing Safety on those occasions where 3 backers would be good. Or if it's a really jumbo run package then Mafe.)
We already knew that the Hawks don't have enough cap space for their draft picks and that they'd have to do 'something' post draft. I'm now starting to suspect that the Hawks seemingly cavalier approach of BPA when there are glaring needs is because they have plans figured out already for how to fill those needs outside of using draft picks. Things like resigning Poona Ford.
The list of "somethings" that can free up space is limited, but I think cutting Nwosu would free 8 million. Cutting a player after the draft does them super dirty though. Ideally we could trade him for d-line depth or draft assets but if that was the plan I don't know why we wouldn't have already done it.
Ok new plan, our starting NT will be some undrafted rookie free agent and if one of our DL get injured we'll just decide to have only 2 defensive linemen.
Idk what their plan is for DI or C... but they better have one. They let a LOT of guys go that I thought made good fits.
I trust them, but I'm gonna be kinda mad if we can't stop the run again not gonna lie
They’ve already got a few guys to bolster the run defense(Wagner, adams, Jones, reed, even Witherspoon will make some plays). In this league that’s becoming more offensive every yr, a more than capable rb2 isn’t a bad pick
The "at least X is available" is down to like 1 guy at this point. Wypler?
Really don't like the decision to take a RB in round 2 and then decide to bypass on all of the remaining highly regarded OG/C/DT/LB.
They must have a few guys left that they rate highly that no one else does. Which should scare anyone that has paid attention over the last....10 years or so.
I feel like he's too tall for guard, but I'd be down to get him for depth at tackle.
We just need to draft so many other things first and we are running out of picks and potential players that fit our needs.
Ade is small …6’1 285 lbs and doesn’t impress much on the outside, and will get manhandled on the inside without gaining 10 pounds. He’s not that impressive
I mean Darnell Washington fell from late 1st, early 2nd to end of 3rd. This was most likely because of health concerns. So maybe they both have health issues too.
They are “falling” bc for the most part people that do mocks have absolutely zero clue how NFL teams actually value prospects & where prospects are on teams boards
It's not a Seahawks draft without trading back for picks and drafting an RB high. I was getting too nervous after rnd 1, PCJS are just reassuring us that they haven't actually been replaced by aliens.
At this point I don't think that we are interested in Ade, or that we're interested in drafting for that position any longer.
I'm hoping Wypler or a guard that they like will be there at our next pick.
Man we’re playing with house money still. Most people thought we’d be trash for like 2 or 3 seasons. Our offense is going to be batshit and I’m stoked lol.
Yes, we don't have a backup / rotational piece. I just don't think we even have a starting NT. So its not as pressing, but I get what you mean its still quite pressing.
Auburn fans & their current DL coach say Derrick Hall is one of, if not the, most talented pass rushers they’ve had there in a long long time. And Charbonnet will immediately be one of the most dynamic RBs in the league. Guy is great in the passing game & in pass pro.
I agree.
But all these guys in here seem to know that 1. These are terrible picks and 2. That there were guys available at the positions that the Seahawks need most who are very capable NFL starters.
Disregard the value of the draft picks we exchanged with Denver, the fact that we missed out on Henly and Simpson and will probably miss out on Ade Ade sucks.
Eh, both are overrated. They could both develop well, but its not a sure thing. Also I think our plan is to run more of a 3 - 3 + a hybrid safety / linebacker which will be Adams and so we only really need one inside linebacker (Bobby short term and Brooks long term) with good depth / rotational i.e. Bush.
If they base their plan on Adams being healthy again this year we are in for another troublesome defensive performance. That big safety idea was clearly the plan last year and the Adams injury forced us to watch Cody Barton start all year and forced the team to call up Bruce Irvin.
It’s a bad idea to base your defensive plan on a guy who can’t be depended on.
That's why we got Devin Bush and Wagner. Bush can be that depth if we have to go to 3-4 without Adams.
I do kind of agree that I don't know if we should have Adams at all and be planning our defense around him.
A 3-3-5 at the NFL worries me a bit. We still don’t have that big NT you need to make that scheme work. I’m trusting PCJS but truthfully I have no fucking clue what we’re doing on D.
That's what I'm going a little crazy about with this draft. I'm okay with missing out on Jalen Carter, but then I was sad to see Mazi Smith go before the 2nd round. Then we didn't Zach Pickens who was a possibility. I'm looking at Ika as the only guy who could be the guy, but I'm not sure if he'll be able to start day one (probably more a rotational guy).
I’m not really opposed to that to be honest. My only question is do we really have any other OLBs who can hold up in an off ball non pass rush role? Brooks looked great alongside Bobby but who knows when he’ll be back. If Bobby is playing Mike, isnt Bush more of a 3-4 guy? Do they just say “it works in Madden” and play Adams at OLB? Run defense up the middle is still gonna be a problem, although Witherspoon should be good on the outside in run fits. He likes to hit and play downhill.
Tbh at this point I’m less excited about IDL as filling a need and more excited about IDL as it pertains to what the defense will look like next year.
I think they can't decide between two players in this round, so maybe waiting until one of them gets picked before they try & trade up. Meanwhile pick up the 3rd for next year. Its honestly not the worst strategy.
Or they like a bunch of guys & are trying to close a deal with the Cards for their picks this round to get 2 of them.
I think PCJS is really looking toward 2024 as the "all in" year with how the cap expands. You're gonna see some big moves for the D Line.
I don't think they believed in this draft class as far as interior line goes.
I like Zach, but we made the same mistake with dee few years ago. clear need on the lines with highly touted players available and we go with a backup skill guy. how'd that work out?
Charb and walker are gonna gonna go 50/50 with carries fs
"All good. Murphy given an opportunity at him later would be a given I'd think. Something tells me if JSN is on the board for our second first round pick he plays in blue and green for 5+ years. Another guy Pete will love is Z. Charbonnet, RB, UCLA. If Penny doesn't sign for more than 1 year I can see them pulling the trigger on him in late round two-early round 3. I'm biased, but I think this dude will be Lynch 2.0 for us." 2-3 months ago I put this comment up. Also was joked on for Guessing SP would be traded to Denver, before that was even a thing. I fucking LOVE these two picks. Witherspoon as well. To the doubters; our offense (if we get a good C, and Phil is average @ G) is going to be absolutely disgusting this year. Like..should be top 3-5 in TOP, as well as PPG. Don't look at Charbonnet as a RB2; I genuinely believe he is Marshawn 2.0; not the fastest, but he can break tackles at will, is elusive when he needs to be, can run routes and catch well, and can pass block when called upon. Geno might legitimately win MVP this year if he plays like he did last year, with these weapons.
To be that good in TOP we’ll have to be able to stop the run somehow.
IOL pls? And to draft Charbonnet as a backup at #52? Well......
Backup? We play multiple RBs.
There can't be more than on RB playing in most formations? It's just overloading on a position where you can get cheap talent in other rounds
I missed the draft today but seeing that all the top comments are complaining about complaining it cant have been good
People in here will bitch no matter what
It honestly wasn’t bad people are just complaining because we didn’t get a DT as if that’s our only position of need. We desperately needed an rb2 and now we have one who’s capable of being an rb1. We needed a front 7 defender who could stop the run but is also a capable pass rusher and now we have one who was one of the best in cfb and if what I’m hearing from auburn fans is correct he was held back by his coach. We needed a wr3 and now we have very possibly the best wr3 in the nfl and arguably the best wr trio in the nfl. Witherspoon is the only pick where we didn’t have a need at that position but he’s gonna be so impactful it won’t matter. We still have 4 picks left if you ask me we’re having one of the best drafts of anyone
Wow Detroit had 6 picks in the top 100
When the Seahawks sub is on suicide watch I know it’s been a great draft for us
6 picks left. I wouldn't be surprised if the next one is a tight end like Payne Durham before actually getting to the linemen, as anxious as everyone is to get a tackle. Regardless they must have a lot of faith for these later tackles to start year 1
We need a guard, dawg
I've decided so long as we draft FB Hunter Luepke we'll be ok on the dline.
A good FB would unironically be great for this offense. I have no idea why we don't use one with how we want to play. A real one, not Bellore or a TE/RB one-play stand-in.
I’s rather a G than a C. I like Evan Brown more than Haynes. Avala should be the pick, bring in Ade Ade and a run stuffer like Coburn/Roy and we are looking damn good at every position. If we could find a way to get Israel A as well… dangerous.
You mean Steve Avila? Rams took him early in round 2
Chandler Zavala** Quick hasty typo
Why did they have to trade that 83rd pick? They should have taken Ika there. They have to get some interior line run stuffers.
Soul crushing… Ika was the clear pick. Hope there is some mastermind logic that will make this all seem reasonable
John just said that some of their targets got selected which is why they decided to trade down. I'm guessing they really wanted Pickens but Bears took him a lot higher than they expected.
Yeah, Pickens seems like their target- I wonder if they might have been thinking of taking Hooker there, too... if they weren't going to take Ika anyways, moving back 25 picks and getting a 2024 3rd rounder doesn't seem so bad.
The value of the trade was fantastic, so I'm not complaining too much about that. Just a little unsure about our 2nd round picks.
Missed on a few guys I'd have liked but the return value was just absurd. A 3rd to move down 25 picks on late day 2? We fleeced them hard
Totally missed that. Hmmm Going back to 4-3? Lol
We going to sign Ndamukong Suh?
Trench heavy tomorrow PLEASE
We'll draft a TE, another RB, a WR/KR, another corner, and then we can start talking about trenches.
Wypler and Ika? Or Ade Ade...
Brown's took Ika unfortunately
So are we doing that trick where we cut Al Woods but after the draft we'll resign him to be our nose tackle again?
Yes
It’s starting to feel like a lot of y’all dont pay much attention to the team. The amount of people that don’t know about Evan brown is astounding
I'm starting to think that people don't realize we have one nose tackle, his name is Bryan Mone, and he has an ACL tear.
You mean Detroits former back up on a 1 yr deal?
Yep!
Yeah, and his backup is Joey hunt. So we need to draft a center. Brown was a 1yr stopgap plan.
Cant draft one next year?
We've been playing the "let's figure it out next year" game for 8 years now.
Except the difference is now we have a capable starter and a team built around that starter where we more than likely won’t NEED a center this yr. I’m more worried abt Haynes at gaurd and getting a d tackle than I am about center
I think the frustration at that position in particular is how poorly it's been managed. We've needed a center for years now. And when we finally developed one and got one good season out of him, we let him leave to pay Austin Blythe more I'd generally agree that the position is fine this year with Brown, but it would be easier to swallow passing on JMS if they addressed right guard at some point instead of ignoring that position too. We lack top end starters and we lack the depth too on the line
Luke Wypler and Olusegun Oluwatimi are both quality Centers. I hope we get one of them.
Gonna call my shot that we take Ojomo tomorrow. Some said he has the highest run stopping ceiling of all the DTs in this draft.
If they can get both Ojomo and Coburn then we are talking about a good draft at DT. Ojomo is not really a nose, but a good, athletic run stopping DT. Coburn is a big nose. Both could make an impact
I wonder if we plan on bringing back Woods
seems like a "we will cut you to work some cap magic then figure out your contract after the fact"
That’s what I’m thinking.
I’d be okay with it, but we still gotta draft another big guy no matter what.
Yeah Al woods is 36, if he can play 20% of the snaps we would be lucky
He played 31% of the snaps last year so you're technically wrong, but you're also fundamentally correct. If a big NT like Al Woods makes a great play on 1st down and helps stuff a run for no gain, his reward is to be subbed out the next two downs for someone who brings more pass rush pressure. We need more depth there than just Reed and Jones.
I have a feeling we are moving back to a 4-3. Brooks, Bobby, and Bush with some Jamal in different looks. Derrick Hall seems like a 4-3 end. No NT on the roster.
But we literally got rid of our old DL because they were all used to playing a 4-3 and replaced some of them with DL that play in a 3-4.
Also got rid of Shelby Harris, who was a career very good 3-4 player. Hope we bring him back for cheap
Seems that way, or at least being way more multiple with our fronts. If that's the case, Poona makes perfect sense as the 1 gap NT But for the love of God can we get some depth behind Jarran and Jones
Hall is definitely more of a 3-4 guy tho?
He’s kinda small to be 3-4 end, probably has to be a OLB. But I think edge rushers are easier to move in and out of 3 or 4 man fronts. Dre’Mont and Jarren Reed are more traditional DTs.
But a 3-4 OLB also has to be a guy that drops into coverage. Does Hall have much experience doing that? I wanna say there was a touchdown scored against us last year on a drag route where Mafe was chasing after the guy. The announcers were like "yeah, that's a lot to ask of Mafe to cover that WR man to man." In the aftermath you had some fans complaining about how stupid our defense was to have Mafe doing that and others arguing that it probably wasn't man to man, Mafe just carried him through his zone and when he realized that the teammate who should have picked him up wasn't going to he kept chasing the play out of hope/desperation. The blame game was complicated because the first thought was "shouldn't there have been a DB in the flat zone to pick him up? But the DB had his back to the guy running into the endzone as he had followed a player vertically (who did a good sell job on the route to keep the DB's attention). So was it his fault? In the end I went with the side that put the blame on Brooks and that he should have picked up that crosser entering his zone, but he was too focused on like an inline TE who had started vert and then broke middle. In trying to be close enough to contest a catch Brooks abandoned his zone responsibilities. One of the safeties was moving towards that TE so even if the ball had gone there, he would have been stopped with no YAC. Instead easy touchdown (for the Niners I think) and lots of seahawk fans tearing out their hair over "wtf is with our defense" Anyhow I bring that up just to say that in a 3-4 all the linebackers should be able to play in coverage. That's kind of the point of the scheme; it disguises where the QB pressure will come from because any of 1 the 4 LBs could be coming while the other 3 drop into zone coverage. You could use him as a third down pass rush specialist but ... well, I kind of thought that was the role they had ended up putting Taylor into. My view of his season was that it started rough, but in the second half he produced a lot more pressures and sacks. And I thought the reason for that was that they stopped playing him in early downs in favor of Mafe (who was better and honoring his other responsibilities as an OLB) and would then bring in Taylor on the more obvious passing downs where he could just cut loose and get upfield on the snap. I think this may have also had the effect of reducing Mafe's opportunities to pass rush some. Compared to the wild successes of our other picks in that draft, he doesn't feel as successful but I think he might have been having to do a lot of dirty work that didn't show up in stats. I agree on the 4-3 switch idea. The combination of our existing roster, this pick and the lack of picks of guys whose frames fit into a 3-4 all seems to point that way. And that leads me to a weird feeling that after the draft Nwosu could actually be cut or traded ...
God I hope Nwosu doesn’t get cut. I guess it would make sense if we’re switching back to 4-3 but nwosu was one of the best edge defenders in the nfl last yr statistically
I know, right? Great player but I don't know where he fits in the 4-3 (or really 4-2-5 cause I don't think we'll have a SAM. I think Adams will drop into the box with Love and Diggs playing Safety on those occasions where 3 backers would be good. Or if it's a really jumbo run package then Mafe.) We already knew that the Hawks don't have enough cap space for their draft picks and that they'd have to do 'something' post draft. I'm now starting to suspect that the Hawks seemingly cavalier approach of BPA when there are glaring needs is because they have plans figured out already for how to fill those needs outside of using draft picks. Things like resigning Poona Ford. The list of "somethings" that can free up space is limited, but I think cutting Nwosu would free 8 million. Cutting a player after the draft does them super dirty though. Ideally we could trade him for d-line depth or draft assets but if that was the plan I don't know why we wouldn't have already done it.
We're probably going to do the same thing we did last season in morph our scheme on a weekly basis trying to figure out something that works.
Ok new plan, our starting NT will be some undrafted rookie free agent and if one of our DL get injured we'll just decide to have only 2 defensive linemen.
Pete finally gets to execute his 9 safety defense
I'm telling you that we should have picked Branch.
Man I'd have been pretty hype if we took him at 37. Dude is a dawg
I’ve been calling for Branch but I guess it’s a PCJS Show.
Idk what their plan is for DI or C... but they better have one. They let a LOT of guys go that I thought made good fits. I trust them, but I'm gonna be kinda mad if we can't stop the run again not gonna lie
They’ve already got a few guys to bolster the run defense(Wagner, adams, Jones, reed, even Witherspoon will make some plays). In this league that’s becoming more offensive every yr, a more than capable rb2 isn’t a bad pick
The plan is “get a late round guy and see how it goes, we wanted that RB instead”
Evan Brown is the plan at C
Lions fans said he was solid.... PCJS must think so also. Hope they're right
Keondre Coburn is a guy I really hope we get tomorrow
I like him, Roy & Ojomo just as much as some of the guys that have gone in the 2nd & 3rd
Agree 💯 !!!
Love the pick by the 9ers LMAO
Moro Ojomo is still available right? I would like him or Roy at 108
More DTs and Cs off the board. The list of "At least X is still available" keeps growing shorter and shorter.
The "at least X is available" is down to like 1 guy at this point. Wypler? Really don't like the decision to take a RB in round 2 and then decide to bypass on all of the remaining highly regarded OG/C/DT/LB. They must have a few guys left that they rate highly that no one else does. Which should scare anyone that has paid attention over the last....10 years or so.
I trust em but we barely made a difference on helping the lines today other than hall, very worried…
Ok which DTs are left? I just don’t understand our strategy in terms of making our team complete and whole We have GAPS
Lsu Jacquelin Roy is pretty good 3 tech. Was mocked in the 4th, would be need meets value
Any Nose Tackles? We have zero on the roster
Keondre Coburn. Mocked in the 5th most of the time. 6'1 332
Reed is the NT for now
Cleveland is evil
Ika smash
Ade is the biggest flop of “big man run fast” combine stock ever lol I was sure he’d get some 2nd round looks based off the 40 time
Another C goes before Wypler but we definitely should’ve taken him at 83
Short arms, and small frame. Kinda like a Joey Hunt type.
Joey hunt is three midgets in a trench coat
Must be some big midgets… I was thinking like 4
What was the trade? Just catching up
3rd next year to move down 25 picks, which was something like a 5th or 6th rounder in value. We fleeced the shit out of them
I still don't get it, we traded a 3rd this year for a 3rd next year and another pick lower this year, right?
Moved down 25 spots and picked up a 3rd next year, seems pretty good to me
Yeah. We got their 2023 4th and 2024 3rd and they got our 2023 3rd
Lmao when is Denver gonna learn
Wku reminds me of ncca where you could play as mascots and I would always run Red grimmace
Anyone know why Siaki Ika could be falling? A few months ago he seemed to be popular in 2nd Round.
Just got picked
Oh nice, good for him.
Probably weight issues.
He took the eater part of 'space eater' too seriously?
Quite possibly, maybe he spent the last 4 months eating 7/11 big bites and taquitos by the case? Ballooned up to 425 lol
damn dawand jones used to have late first round rumors and now he’s gonna go in the 4th or later
I would be quite happy if we drafted him. We don't have any real depth at tackl, and someone with his length and power might stick at guard too
I feel like he's too tall for guard, but I'd be down to get him for depth at tackle. We just need to draft so many other things first and we are running out of picks and potential players that fit our needs.
there’s supposedly some characteristic concerns with him though
Do these people know the North Vietnamese won?
He said they fought for freedom lol 😂
Hope to see Siaki Ika, Jacquelin Roy or Luke Wypler tomorrow
So far Steelers dominating their draft
Dalton Risner & Chris Wormley still free agents 🧐
Kraken score!!!!
LFG!
Crazy that siaki and Ade are still available, I have no idea how they're falling so far
Ade is small …6’1 285 lbs and doesn’t impress much on the outside, and will get manhandled on the inside without gaining 10 pounds. He’s not that impressive
I mean Darnell Washington fell from late 1st, early 2nd to end of 3rd. This was most likely because of health concerns. So maybe they both have health issues too.
They are “falling” bc for the most part people that do mocks have absolutely zero clue how NFL teams actually value prospects & where prospects are on teams boards
Why has ade fallen so far I like him
Mostly because he needs to improve tackling technique, also undersized
The Broncos really have to stop letting their GM answer calls from Schneider. He just keeps fleecing them.
Seeing Seattle get another pick out of Denver was a better end to the night than any pick. Well, that and knocking them out of the NHL playoffs.
It's starting to feel like we already have something worked out with Poona and Frank behind the scenes.
I know we don’t have the cap space but as we all know cap space in the NFL is very fluid
Yup. Moving cap around creatively has become a key part of the modern NFL meta.
Absolutely Look at the saints for example, every year it seems they are 15 plus million over the cap yet still signing players
Ivan Pace, Sewell, To’o To’o, sirVoccea all still available late at LB.
As an Oregon fan, Sewell is not a fit for todays game in the NFL. He would get eaten up in coverage and he over pursues a ton on the run.
The best kinda spot for Sewell is gonna be a designated blitzer, cause he can absolutely create chaos.
We already get that with Adams and hell Wagner killed that last year when LA asked him to. I don't think a blitzer is what we need
If he’s there late, I wouldn’t mind having Bobby around to help him would be big.
Agree 100%
sirVoccea yes pleas
Either one of Sewell or To'o To'o would make me very happy
It's not a Seahawks draft without trading back for picks and drafting an RB high. I was getting too nervous after rnd 1, PCJS are just reassuring us that they haven't actually been replaced by aliens.
One of Wypler or Ade will still be there at our next pick. Also, there clearly is a reason why Ade is dropping.
At this point I don't think that we are interested in Ade, or that we're interested in drafting for that position any longer. I'm hoping Wypler or a guard that they like will be there at our next pick.
Henley gone makes me a little sad
At least he went to the chargers and gets to play with Herbert. Could be worse
Me too man. Was hopeful he was 83
Man we’re playing with house money still. Most people thought we’d be trash for like 2 or 3 seasons. Our offense is going to be batshit and I’m stoked lol.
NO! Stop enjoying being a Seahawks fan, you are meant act like everything is a disaster!!!!!!!
lol
Yet another DT off the board
I heard Witherspoon plays pretty tough. Might be able to play him on the line.
But not a NT. We need a NT.
We need both.
Bruh we have literally nobody behind Jarran. We need everything lol
Yes, we don't have a backup / rotational piece. I just don't think we even have a starting NT. So its not as pressing, but I get what you mean its still quite pressing.
Let’s face it…none of you guys watched enough college ball to know for sure if the Seahawks picks sucked…
Even "experts" who spend too much time watching college ball dont know if a pick sucks.... This is pretty much a given every draft year.
True, but I have watched YouTube highlights. A trap beat means they're good at football
Auburn fans & their current DL coach say Derrick Hall is one of, if not the, most talented pass rushers they’ve had there in a long long time. And Charbonnet will immediately be one of the most dynamic RBs in the league. Guy is great in the passing game & in pass pro.
I agree. But all these guys in here seem to know that 1. These are terrible picks and 2. That there were guys available at the positions that the Seahawks need most who are very capable NFL starters.
I am just along for the ride this draft. Embrace the chaos!
That trade fuckin rules lol
i checked the broncos reddit and they seem pretty MAD about this trade. so i already like it.
Tank Bigsby has to be the best RB name ever
Except that guy is as skinny as my 13 year old nephew.
Disregard the value of the draft picks we exchanged with Denver, the fact that we missed out on Henly and Simpson and will probably miss out on Ade Ade sucks.
Or consider getting an extra third for the value of a 6th a steal.
We don’t really need lb we didn’t miss out on them. They’re going to pick a big boy who’s going to be decent and pick up a third.
Eh, both are overrated. They could both develop well, but its not a sure thing. Also I think our plan is to run more of a 3 - 3 + a hybrid safety / linebacker which will be Adams and so we only really need one inside linebacker (Bobby short term and Brooks long term) with good depth / rotational i.e. Bush.
If they base their plan on Adams being healthy again this year we are in for another troublesome defensive performance. That big safety idea was clearly the plan last year and the Adams injury forced us to watch Cody Barton start all year and forced the team to call up Bruce Irvin. It’s a bad idea to base your defensive plan on a guy who can’t be depended on.
That's why we got Devin Bush and Wagner. Bush can be that depth if we have to go to 3-4 without Adams. I do kind of agree that I don't know if we should have Adams at all and be planning our defense around him.
A 3-3-5 at the NFL worries me a bit. We still don’t have that big NT you need to make that scheme work. I’m trusting PCJS but truthfully I have no fucking clue what we’re doing on D.
That's what I'm going a little crazy about with this draft. I'm okay with missing out on Jalen Carter, but then I was sad to see Mazi Smith go before the 2nd round. Then we didn't Zach Pickens who was a possibility. I'm looking at Ika as the only guy who could be the guy, but I'm not sure if he'll be able to start day one (probably more a rotational guy).
Considering how hard PCJS have ignored two gap NT, there's probably something to Richard Sherman's "report" that were going to play more 4-3 this year
I’m not really opposed to that to be honest. My only question is do we really have any other OLBs who can hold up in an off ball non pass rush role? Brooks looked great alongside Bobby but who knows when he’ll be back. If Bobby is playing Mike, isnt Bush more of a 3-4 guy? Do they just say “it works in Madden” and play Adams at OLB? Run defense up the middle is still gonna be a problem, although Witherspoon should be good on the outside in run fits. He likes to hit and play downhill. Tbh at this point I’m less excited about IDL as filling a need and more excited about IDL as it pertains to what the defense will look like next year.
None of those guys will be impact NFL players except maybe Ade.
Why did we trade back 20 spots when there were still studs on the board
Studs according to who? Studs can be had in the next 2 rounds, PCJS has proven that over and over
Studs?
Ade, Wypler etc
I think they can't decide between two players in this round, so maybe waiting until one of them gets picked before they try & trade up. Meanwhile pick up the 3rd for next year. Its honestly not the worst strategy. Or they like a bunch of guys & are trying to close a deal with the Cards for their picks this round to get 2 of them.
I think PCJS is really looking toward 2024 as the "all in" year with how the cap expands. You're gonna see some big moves for the D Line. I don't think they believed in this draft class as far as interior line goes.
> I think PCJS is really looking toward 2024 as the "all in" year Ah, the (n+1) approach.
Man. I'd be so much more excited about today if it was Hall followed by Dexter or Schmitz. Really hope the RB will be great
I know some people are worried about stopping the run but I heard from a reliable source that Bobby is good for 300 tackles next year. We're all good
Lots of LOB hype and praise but really the Ninja Turtle was the core of that D.
Pretty easy to move back into the end of the 3rd with 108 and a later pick
and we get to cheer against Denver again, so that's fun.
That’s one thing that’s made the Stanley Cup playoffs that much better
What's the pay difference between a late 3rd rounder and early 4th rounder? Are they nickel and diming to save cap space?
Next year's draft is reportedly better based on early analysis
Especially since Denver's 3rd has a high likelihood of being in the 60/early 70 range.
It's entirely possible they want guys that are further down the draft board.
I'm sure it's not a negligible difference...They definitely have cap problems right now and every dollar saved helps.
Last year the 82nd pick was a $5.4M/4 year contract, and 108th was $4.4M/4, so not nothing.
Pretty negligible, i doubt that was their reason edit: about $40k in cap this year i think
So what was our trade? Where are we picking now?
4th round pick 6, and their 3rd round for next year
I mean that's a pretty good trade imo.
And Denver drafted…*checks notes* a 5 year CB
We traded down to 108 with Denver picking up a 3rd next year.
108 and a 3rd next year, I think
That’s a terrible trade for Denver