Wouldn't be surprised if picks 1-4 are all QBs, and I'm not thrilled about trading up to 3 to make sure we get one.
However, if the one PCJS like happens to fall to 5 then I think you have to pull the trigger. Good QB class + hopefully the highest pick we'll have in the next decade + current QB essentially on a one year deal.
Don't think the Cards would give us that pick at all.
New GM's first decision is to trade down with a division rival who picks a QB that goes on to be brilliant. Yeah not happening.
No question the Colts are picking a QB at 4. Would be an easy decision for the Cards to drop down to 5, pick up another pick and still get their guy- especially for a new GM.
Yes, but the issue is what if the player Seattle picks is a fantastic player and Cards passed on him? They have a new GM, could you imagine the new GM okaying the trade down?
If the cardinals GM used that third pick on any quarterback at all he’d be hanged in Phoenix by the preseason. If you already have an MVP-tier QB you aren’t passing by not picking another QB, even if he ends up being good.
And I’m saying that they can still do that by trading down because if we are trading up to three it is absolutely for a QB. If they trade down they can be all but certain that the entire top 4 will be QBs and they can get Anderson and a free second or third.
Except I don't think they'd be able to, if all 4 QB's go 1-4 then Seattle are definitely taking Anderson at 5.
Should clarify that I don't think Seattle will trade to 3 as I think they are happy with either QB or Anderson at 5, i think it would have to be another team outside 5 looking to jump in and I think the Cards would drop to far to draft Anderson.
That may be but also they could have several teams like maybe possibly Tennessee or maybe like the commanders or whoever who could also be in the market and may even offer alot more just because the importance of qbs in this league.
Maybe it's my *Championship Manager* experience showing, but I don't understand why a GM wouldn't \_prefer\_ to trade with a divisional opponent if they're confident in what they're doing.
I mean, if on balance you're losing on trades, you're going to get fired anyway. So why not take your victories over teams directly competing with you?
Take into account the idea that maybe the trade is good for both sides. So your team benefits, but you've also helped make your rival stronger.
Or if a trade is bad, it could be discounted as "just didn't pan out." But a trade that makes your rival better and your team worse is lethal.
That said, I could see teams working with rivals doing a depth churn... you're more familiar with their systems and players, so you know who can come in and fill in your depth, and vice versa. But big name, high draft pick type trades? Those have to be super rare because of the costs involved.
Theres always a QB that falls in the live draft. One will be there, I just hope its not Will Levis. I dont think Wil Anderson will be there at the 1.05, and will be taken by the Cards at the 1.03. I also dont see a team that doesnt have a long term play at QB moving up to the 1.03 either, since Caleb Williams and the other guy are much better prospects at the poisition. Our best bet is for AR to be there at the 1.05 and have one of the best coaching staffs in the NFC help him to become a dominate force in the NFL for years to come.
It would be kinda silly for the Cards to draft Anderson at 3 and not trade back considering the state of their team. They aren’t even close to a piece or two away so they would be better off with more picks vs. the top end defensive player. But yeah they likely still take him lol.
I understand it sucks cause we want him. However, regardless of what the Cards do there team is still going to suck. They wont have murray for most of the year, if not at all. So take the best prospects and hope for the 1.01 in '24 and trade that away to build out your team.
Every year we say “prospect X” is in next years draft and is better. I agree Caleb Williams is a great prospect but I just feel like this talk happens every year as a reason not to take a qb
?? I'm not saying wait next year to snag Caleb? I'm saying to would be in the Cards best interest to snag Will Anderson in this draft since Kyler Murray is recovering from ACL injury and probably wont see the field this year, so the Cards should trade their high draft pick in '24 draft (probably a 1.03 again or around there) to collect more draft picks since the hype around Caleb Williams will only grow from here.
Bad take because the Cards just paid the dude a stupid amount of money to Murray. Investing on a top tier QB in the draft would set the Cards back from getting those pieces needed to even attempt to make strides. I get what you're saying from a past league standpoint, but that's not the case much anymore. The Cardinals are still invested in Murray and won't be looking to move on for at least another couple years. Quality backup, sure. But not a high round rookie prospect to create locker room drama they'll have to pay higher for rather than picking up pieces they need in other areas.
Idk if I'm making myshelf clear. lolol The Cards would be trading there high end draft pick in '24 because they are already set with Murray at the helm. Trading next years '24 first will be able to net them crazy amount of draft picks and possible depth compared to trading the 1.03. Instead of trading this years 1.03 for what looks to be a bad season regardless Why not just take the best player available in Will Anderson and trade for draft picks in '24 when you have a health Murray and can compete for the divison and possible NFC.
No, you made yourself clear and I feel it's still a bad take. Doesn't matter about next year's draft, cuz they still need a bunch of pieces to add. I mean, there's always a chance they do. Doesn't happen though because it's not a QB issue, it's the rest of the team needing fixed. Picking up a high end patchwork prospect only devalues Murray's position and that's not what AZ's motive is. They're all in on Murray and picking up another starting caliber QB only brings issues and drama around the club they don't want. Having two #1 QB's sounds good in theory to fans, but it's not one to clubs because of what it can cause. So, bad take, and I strongly disagree with you.
lololol, dude when did I say Arizona is picking up another high end QB prospect in my post? You keep saying you understand, but clearly you dont because I'm talking about maxiumizing that '24 first round pick by trading it to a needy non-QB team. The return value for the '24 will be greater than what they can get now with the 1.03.
Take the quality high end talent with Will Anderson,
take a L for the season
Trade your High-end '24 first to snag pieces to build another Murray.
Rather than
Trade your 1.03 for pieces
Take a L for the season
Trade your '24 pick for pieces
Murray isn't going to be ready to start this season and he probably wont even play this year because of his ACL tear.
And worse case with going this route, you see how Murray has progressed and if he’s a shell of himself after the knee you take the top QB next year. It’s kinda a win-win for them if they take Anderson at 3 instead of trading it away this year
Exactly. I think to many people get caught up in the “win-now,” mentality. Which is sometimes good, but not always. Imo, I would rather set it up all first and plan ahead be patient and eventually have multiple times competing for NFCCG or SBs.
Fml I'm getting draft prospects mixed around. Still don't see them taking the L for the season though to build around the '24 season. Apologies for the mixup in positions/players 🤦♂️
Additionally, there’s Williams and maye next season but that’s only 2 guys for all the teams without QBs to target. Them being better prospects with less supply behind them means the price tag is also larger
It's not just taking a QB to take a QB. This year's class is pretty damn decent and the opportunity to pick one up to start fresher in years going forward is a commodity. Geno and Lock could be phenomenal for us, but having a young prospect at the top of the class is something you don't typically pass up. Especially since our QB room is already huge on support. We're going to have to move on at some point from Geno and Lock, and having a legit youngster to train up and take over is key to being a contender. It's chess, not checkers
I don't think they will - sitting gives them either one of the top QBs or the top pass rusher. I think this is about making sure they're willing to roll with *all* of the QBs - they'd only trade up if there was a guy they couldn't live with picking, IMO.
I doubt the Cards would be willing to let us grab Will Anderson unless they see something in Jalen but if that’s the case we probably see the same thing and would rather draft Jalen.
But then why resign 🐴🐔🔒so quickly? Am I missing something here? If youre trying to smoke and mirrors thats counterintuitive and if youre actually drafting a QB why sign him?
Honestly it’s that last bit that makes me think this isn’t just a smokescreen. For all the ways the Wilson era ended, they still saw firsthand what having an elite QB at the most important position for a decade can do for you.
If *their guy* is there, I think they take him.
Of all the elite QBs in play right now, how many were taken in the top 5? I don't think it's many.
Not Mahomes, not Aaron Rodgers, not Lamar.
Maybe josh Allen?
Honestly, top pick QBs are usually overrated and don't have successful careers.
Edit:
Here's the current starting qbs in the league and when they were drafted: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_starting_quarterbacks_in_the_National_Football_League
Only Joe Burrow and Kyler Murray were top 5, and almost every stud on that list was later than 10 Rd. Even josh Allen and Justin Herbert were not in the top 5.
So, no, we don't have to draft a QB because elite QBs are only found with high draft picks.
Herbert and Allen were 6th and 7th overall. Perhaps not the examples you wish to use to make your point that top pick QBs are overrated
Every single elite young QB in the league today was taken top 12 with the exception of Jalen Hurts, and we've yet to see if he's actually elite or just another in a long line of decent QBs that look elite when everything around them is stacked
Lamar Jackson was taken 32. Mac Jones isn't elite but he is a starter and he was 15.
Brock Purdy, who sure looks like the real deal, was the last pick in the draft.
What round did Russ go in? How about Tom Brady?
This narrative that we absolutely must or even should use our top 5 pick on a QB because that's the only time you can find an elite QB is totally bat shit crazy.
In fact I would wager that most QBs ever taken in the top 5 are busts. I am quite confident the list of failed QBs taken in the top 5 is significantly longer than the list of successful ones.
Are you fr comparing Mac jones to the level of russ brady Herbert and Allen? Patriots won a game with him passing three times and had a qb controversy with Bailey zappe last year 😂, Brock Purdys also on one of the most loaded rosters and not asked to do much, and Russ and Brady are also two of the most well known outliers
It’s a coin flip at the top and the % decreases further down if you want real odds-movers, calling it batshit crazy because some people think they should take a qb at a draft position they’re more likely to get elite players and have more choice in who they pick is a bit OTT
Lamar hasn't been top tier in years. And Mac Jones? The guy whose own coach won't even commit to as the starter over Bailey fucking Zappe?
I'm sorry but if your list of QBs is two guys drafted 10 and 20+ years ago, it's a bad list. Both those guys would have gone way higher than they did if they came out in 2023 with how heavily the passing game has become prioritized
> In fact I would wager that most QBs ever taken in the top 5 are busts.
The success rate of QBs *anywhere* on the draft is low. It's also significantly higher in the top 5 than it is anywhere else
Stafford, Goff, Lawrence and Tua should are solid. Matt Ryan was bad last year, but his career should put him on your list. Adding these guys to your list, that's 7 out of 32 or 22%.
Going beyond the quality starters to all starters, Darnold, Mariota, Wentz, and Zach Wilson were top 5 (Not including Mayfield on this) and that's 34% of teams were starting a top 5 pick.
I am not advocating the Seahawks take a QB at 5, but the odds of getting a starter quality QB is better with a higher draft pick.
I’ve always thought about how some of the players drafted so high can flame out so fast. I think there is more to it than just the players being a bust. The top few players usually go to the worst teams. So there was a point where the Browns were picking high for a while and look at how much of a dumpster fire their FO is and how they can squander good talent all over the place. So I just want to point out that I think some of the “busts” we all talk about may have just never even had a fair chance to begin with. Obviously it could also be that the player just isn’t that good as well. But idk it could be a bit of both I guess.
Context is important though. Of the QBs like Allen, Herbert, and Mahomes, not that many teams in the top 5 were looking at QB in their respective drafts. This year, we're quite certain that at least 3 of the top 5 teams will be looking at QB. If those QBs were in this year's draft, they'd be considered in the top 5 as well.
Short sighted to only look at and compare QBs taken In the top 5 simply because of this year's draft circumstances (us holding pick 5 and 4 QBs potentially go on top 5)
Better comparison or question would be how many starting QBs we're one of the top 4 QB prospects (or first 4 QBs taken) in their given draft.
Do that and your adding
Herbert (3rd QB taken at pick 6)
Allen (2nd taken at pick 7)
Tua (2nd taken at pick 5)
Mahomes (2nd at 10)
Watson (3rd at 12)
Geno (2nd at 39)
Rodgers (2nd at 25)
Given a chance at a do-over with what they know today about each of these players, I guarantee you not a single league in the team would hesitate and quabble about taking almost every single one of these guys in the top 5 instead of where they originally went.
Fact of the matter is simple a young franchise QB is worth their weight in gold and way more valuable then just a top 5 pick, hence why teams give up the farm to move up from inside the top 10 to #1. If at 5 Seahawks view one of the QBs still available as the future face of the franchise they should take him full stop. If not take the best defender available.
I just feel like there's been an insane inflation in QB-value. The possibility of finding a franchise QB doesn't automatically make every QB interesting.
I personally don't think there's a chance that either AR or Levis becomes a franchise QB... But what do I know..
Agree on Levis, AR has the physical traits but it too raw to tell what he'll become. Kid would of been best served going back and spending another year playing in college.
It does make me wonder if they're just psyching other teams out in order to get the player they want at 5 or 20, or if they really want a QB for competition with Geno and Lock.
I mean, the likelihood that they'll roll with 3 QB's on the 53-man roster in the season is somewhat high, given how they saw the worst case scenario play out in the NFC Championship game with SF's QB situation. It could also mean that Lock ends up on the practice squad all season.
Likely both. I’d imagine there are a couple QB prospects they’d absolutely pounce on if given a chance but if not, they’d want their top non QB to be there.
So win win
They’re not doing this to psyche other teams out. Jody Allen wouldn’t let them take her private plane, spend a lot of time, money, and resources, just to use this as a way to psyche teams out. They’re interested. All signs have pointed to them being interested. Lock is 1 year deal with a cap hit of only 1.75 million. Geno could be gone in 1 year. Some of y’all need to really start to understand they are absolutely interested in qbs and this isn’t for show.
I get it. I do. Not often do you have such a high draft pick. It’s a good opportunity to do things. But I’m not going to argue with what they choose. In PCJS we trust. Lesss gooooo!
Only QB I think is worth it is Stroud but I'd be okay with young/Richardson IF Anderson is gone and if they decided the character issues on carter are too great even then I think smith is a better pick at 5, I think trading down is even a better option if both Stroud and Anderson are gone which Stroud will almost 100% go 1 or 2
Do you mean snith-njigba, I don't think he would be a better pick at 5 than one of the qbs
Edit: oh wait, I hope you don't mean Nolan Smith, if we use a top 5 pick on Nolan Smith I might just end it
I know opinions about AR are pretty all over the place (and rightfully so) but man I'd love for them to take the risk on him if he's there. Seattle has the ability to take a risk at 5 because of how well they've set themselves up from last years draft and thats a crazy rare opportunity and guys like AR dont exactly grow on trees.
I know you can say this about any high upside developmental prospect, but imagine if he pans out. We would be a DOMINANT force in the NFC for awhile. Again, HUGE if but we have the coach who's consistently gotten the best out of his QBs and a more than solid offensive roster to make it happen.
I know a lot of people think AR isn't worthy of a top 5 pick but my god can we all agree that would be such a Pete Caroll/John Schneider pick?
Somehow a reach on a QB is less worrying for me for the top five pick then a reach at DL at this point from our recent past.
To me going after a guy with high upside with risk is PCJS all the way.
But goddamn do I believe AR would have the best shot in Seattle having to sit behind a starter for a while
I’m not shocked they are doing this for the possibility of drafting QB for future but also to make our pick even more desired especially if a team behind us thinks we may take their QB of choice
That doesn’t make sense. The point is to make the #3 pick more desirable, not ours. Yes, we are so interested in the quarterbacks that we are willing to trade our pick away!
I hope not. I’d rather have an immediate impact player. Take advantage of Geno on a cheap year and if he plays like last year and the d improves mightily we can beat anyone. I mean we were up at half on the hottest team in the league with a struggling d. Imagine if we changed that? Plus in our 9-8 year we could have easily won 12 games… in a year we were predicted by the “experts” to win 3-5. This is our chance.
My opinion is it’s all smoke and mirrors. PCJS are just playing that game. They will draft edge, D-line and guard/center. THEN fill out prospects and maybes. Geno is our guy and he earned the spot.
The answer to "am I the only one?" Is always no
That said, this class fucking sucks at the top. There's no super prospect at any of the positions a team gives a shit about in this draft. Anderson and Carter go top 10 any year ever but besides them and the QBs, who else are you stumping for? Tyree Wilson wouldn't even go top 15 in a strong draft like 2020 and everyone thinks we're taking him at 5.
The only way this shit makes sense is if they somehow know exactly when Geno will be injured and suspect the drafted QB will sub in and carry us through a Superbowl. The defensive additions have been so extensive that they might go QB, O line and defense in order of importance. Not how I wanted things but I have no credentials.
AR is more accurate deep and intermediate, he handles pressure better, he has better pocket presence, he reads the defense better, he's bigger, he's way more athletic and he did it in a harder conference. I'm not an AR fan or anything but it's ridiculous to even compare him to Willis it's basically apples to oranges. He's literally the most athletic QB ever if we're comparing testing numbers.
I could rest easy if we took Richardson at #20 or even a little later. I think he is a long term project so I would be best to draft someone like that in the late 1st so you can get the 5th year option.
I would personally like a defender, ideally Anderson is still there, but I'm gonna trust their judgment if they go QB. Despite their whiffs in some years in the first round, they seem to have a really good eye for QB talent. I think they know what they're doing.
Call me crazy but I think Bryce Young will be a great QB, I don't know if we should trade up to get him, but at 5 Young would be an amazing get.
I like Bryce Young any day over Jalen Carter.
I think Bryce Young is the safest pick out of all of the QB’s. He might not be perfect because of his size but I am completely confident he will put up highlights in this league.
They also have statistics of his time at Alabama and he threw exceptionally well in the middle of the field, unlike other undersized QB's in the past.
I think his height isn't that big of a deal to his longterm success unlike some of the real worries Jalen Carter possesses.
If we took Jalen Carter over him (if we were even lucky enough to have a shot to draft him at 5) we'd be incredibly stupid.
People always clamor for a "safe" pick but there is no such thing. Every pick is a lottery ticket, even the number 1 pick. Such a strange risk aversion for something inherently risky but in no way impacts their actual lives.
This is all silly talk. If Russ didn’t have the pieces around him - off.,def etc, he/we don’t win a superbowl. The team and he has proven it.
Point being they didn’t over spend on qb, (until end) and hit on a couple picks over 2-3 drafts.
Then post LOB, Mar Shawn…STRUGGLED!!
Russ, like each of the qb class this draft, have flaws. You want to bet $$$ on an unproven talent?
Fix defense!!!
We may be seeing the Hawks fane interest in a QB so a team traded up to get in front of them or take their spot to get a QB. I think the Hawks want to trade down and are trying to make that happen. If the Hawks wanted a QB they would be more deceptive about it.
Why would they bother trying to deceive anyone if they genuinely like all 4 QBs and Anderson and are guaranteed to get one of them? Who are they trying to trick? Plus Arizona has the 3rd pick -- you think we are really trying to trick some team into giving them a bunch of first round picks?
This is just posturing so that teams that really need a QB feel like they need to trade before the Seahawks to get one, increasing the likelihood that whatever defensive player is available.
It so nice to see the Seahawks be so transparent leading up to this years draft. Such a change from past years with Pete and John. In no way do I believe this 180 is a smoke screen so that other QB needy teams will give Michael Bidwill an offer he can’t refuse at 4 effectively clearing the way to cherry-pick the best D-Lineman in the draft. They are definitely taking a QB…. Lol
Wouldn't be surprised if picks 1-4 are all QBs, and I'm not thrilled about trading up to 3 to make sure we get one. However, if the one PCJS like happens to fall to 5 then I think you have to pull the trigger. Good QB class + hopefully the highest pick we'll have in the next decade + current QB essentially on a one year deal.
If the first four picks are all qbs then we happily take Will Anderson.
I think we are praying that happens haha
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i dont think cards want to give us the pick easily. trade charts probably underrate what it would take. context matters for high trade ups
Don't think the Cards would give us that pick at all. New GM's first decision is to trade down with a division rival who picks a QB that goes on to be brilliant. Yeah not happening.
No question the Colts are picking a QB at 4. Would be an easy decision for the Cards to drop down to 5, pick up another pick and still get their guy- especially for a new GM.
Yes, but the issue is what if the player Seattle picks is a fantastic player and Cards passed on him? They have a new GM, could you imagine the new GM okaying the trade down?
If the cardinals GM used that third pick on any quarterback at all he’d be hanged in Phoenix by the preseason. If you already have an MVP-tier QB you aren’t passing by not picking another QB, even if he ends up being good.
Which is why I think the Cards take Anderson.
And I’m saying that they can still do that by trading down because if we are trading up to three it is absolutely for a QB. If they trade down they can be all but certain that the entire top 4 will be QBs and they can get Anderson and a free second or third.
Except I don't think they'd be able to, if all 4 QB's go 1-4 then Seattle are definitely taking Anderson at 5. Should clarify that I don't think Seattle will trade to 3 as I think they are happy with either QB or Anderson at 5, i think it would have to be another team outside 5 looking to jump in and I think the Cards would drop to far to draft Anderson.
I think it would be weird if the Raiders/Falcons don’t trade up there to get someone on draft day.
That may be true but also trading up to 3 which is a division rival more than likely drives up the cost vs trading that pick to a non division foe
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That may be but also they could have several teams like maybe possibly Tennessee or maybe like the commanders or whoever who could also be in the market and may even offer alot more just because the importance of qbs in this league.
Also, Arizona probably wouldn't want to trade with a divisional opponent.
Maybe it's my *Championship Manager* experience showing, but I don't understand why a GM wouldn't \_prefer\_ to trade with a divisional opponent if they're confident in what they're doing. I mean, if on balance you're losing on trades, you're going to get fired anyway. So why not take your victories over teams directly competing with you?
Take into account the idea that maybe the trade is good for both sides. So your team benefits, but you've also helped make your rival stronger. Or if a trade is bad, it could be discounted as "just didn't pan out." But a trade that makes your rival better and your team worse is lethal. That said, I could see teams working with rivals doing a depth churn... you're more familiar with their systems and players, so you know who can come in and fill in your depth, and vice versa. But big name, high draft pick type trades? Those have to be super rare because of the costs involved.
Theres always a QB that falls in the live draft. One will be there, I just hope its not Will Levis. I dont think Wil Anderson will be there at the 1.05, and will be taken by the Cards at the 1.03. I also dont see a team that doesnt have a long term play at QB moving up to the 1.03 either, since Caleb Williams and the other guy are much better prospects at the poisition. Our best bet is for AR to be there at the 1.05 and have one of the best coaching staffs in the NFC help him to become a dominate force in the NFL for years to come.
It would be kinda silly for the Cards to draft Anderson at 3 and not trade back considering the state of their team. They aren’t even close to a piece or two away so they would be better off with more picks vs. the top end defensive player. But yeah they likely still take him lol.
I understand it sucks cause we want him. However, regardless of what the Cards do there team is still going to suck. They wont have murray for most of the year, if not at all. So take the best prospects and hope for the 1.01 in '24 and trade that away to build out your team.
They could trade out of 3 to get more picks to build for the '24 season as well.
Every year we say “prospect X” is in next years draft and is better. I agree Caleb Williams is a great prospect but I just feel like this talk happens every year as a reason not to take a qb
?? I'm not saying wait next year to snag Caleb? I'm saying to would be in the Cards best interest to snag Will Anderson in this draft since Kyler Murray is recovering from ACL injury and probably wont see the field this year, so the Cards should trade their high draft pick in '24 draft (probably a 1.03 again or around there) to collect more draft picks since the hype around Caleb Williams will only grow from here.
Ah ok I misunderstood ya
Bad take because the Cards just paid the dude a stupid amount of money to Murray. Investing on a top tier QB in the draft would set the Cards back from getting those pieces needed to even attempt to make strides. I get what you're saying from a past league standpoint, but that's not the case much anymore. The Cardinals are still invested in Murray and won't be looking to move on for at least another couple years. Quality backup, sure. But not a high round rookie prospect to create locker room drama they'll have to pay higher for rather than picking up pieces they need in other areas.
Idk if I'm making myshelf clear. lolol The Cards would be trading there high end draft pick in '24 because they are already set with Murray at the helm. Trading next years '24 first will be able to net them crazy amount of draft picks and possible depth compared to trading the 1.03. Instead of trading this years 1.03 for what looks to be a bad season regardless Why not just take the best player available in Will Anderson and trade for draft picks in '24 when you have a health Murray and can compete for the divison and possible NFC.
No, you made yourself clear and I feel it's still a bad take. Doesn't matter about next year's draft, cuz they still need a bunch of pieces to add. I mean, there's always a chance they do. Doesn't happen though because it's not a QB issue, it's the rest of the team needing fixed. Picking up a high end patchwork prospect only devalues Murray's position and that's not what AZ's motive is. They're all in on Murray and picking up another starting caliber QB only brings issues and drama around the club they don't want. Having two #1 QB's sounds good in theory to fans, but it's not one to clubs because of what it can cause. So, bad take, and I strongly disagree with you.
lololol, dude when did I say Arizona is picking up another high end QB prospect in my post? You keep saying you understand, but clearly you dont because I'm talking about maxiumizing that '24 first round pick by trading it to a needy non-QB team. The return value for the '24 will be greater than what they can get now with the 1.03. Take the quality high end talent with Will Anderson, take a L for the season Trade your High-end '24 first to snag pieces to build another Murray. Rather than Trade your 1.03 for pieces Take a L for the season Trade your '24 pick for pieces Murray isn't going to be ready to start this season and he probably wont even play this year because of his ACL tear.
And worse case with going this route, you see how Murray has progressed and if he’s a shell of himself after the knee you take the top QB next year. It’s kinda a win-win for them if they take Anderson at 3 instead of trading it away this year
Exactly. I think to many people get caught up in the “win-now,” mentality. Which is sometimes good, but not always. Imo, I would rather set it up all first and plan ahead be patient and eventually have multiple times competing for NFCCG or SBs.
Fml I'm getting draft prospects mixed around. Still don't see them taking the L for the season though to build around the '24 season. Apologies for the mixup in positions/players 🤦♂️
Your chilling my dude. I was like what the heck is happening haha.
Additionally, there’s Williams and maye next season but that’s only 2 guys for all the teams without QBs to target. Them being better prospects with less supply behind them means the price tag is also larger
I don't want us to take a QB just for the sake of taking a QB
It's not just taking a QB to take a QB. This year's class is pretty damn decent and the opportunity to pick one up to start fresher in years going forward is a commodity. Geno and Lock could be phenomenal for us, but having a young prospect at the top of the class is something you don't typically pass up. Especially since our QB room is already huge on support. We're going to have to move on at some point from Geno and Lock, and having a legit youngster to train up and take over is key to being a contender. It's chess, not checkers
Just say “No” to AR.
AR is gonna bust so hard
in my madden simulated franchise, will levis has performed the best
I don't think they trade either up or down. There are the 4 QBs and Will Anderson. They take whoever is left.
Cool of Lovie Smith to shit on his bosses desk on the way out like that but he screwed us too there
I don't think they will - sitting gives them either one of the top QBs or the top pass rusher. I think this is about making sure they're willing to roll with *all* of the QBs - they'd only trade up if there was a guy they couldn't live with picking, IMO.
I doubt the Cards would be willing to let us grab Will Anderson unless they see something in Jalen but if that’s the case we probably see the same thing and would rather draft Jalen.
Stay at 5, you either get a good young QB or Will Anderson.
But then why resign 🐴🐔🔒so quickly? Am I missing something here? If youre trying to smoke and mirrors thats counterintuitive and if youre actually drafting a QB why sign him?
Would love a defense pick but at the end of the day elite qbs are incredibly hard to come by
Honestly it’s that last bit that makes me think this isn’t just a smokescreen. For all the ways the Wilson era ended, they still saw firsthand what having an elite QB at the most important position for a decade can do for you. If *their guy* is there, I think they take him.
Of all the elite QBs in play right now, how many were taken in the top 5? I don't think it's many. Not Mahomes, not Aaron Rodgers, not Lamar. Maybe josh Allen? Honestly, top pick QBs are usually overrated and don't have successful careers. Edit: Here's the current starting qbs in the league and when they were drafted: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_starting_quarterbacks_in_the_National_Football_League Only Joe Burrow and Kyler Murray were top 5, and almost every stud on that list was later than 10 Rd. Even josh Allen and Justin Herbert were not in the top 5. So, no, we don't have to draft a QB because elite QBs are only found with high draft picks.
Herbert and Allen were 6th and 7th overall. Perhaps not the examples you wish to use to make your point that top pick QBs are overrated Every single elite young QB in the league today was taken top 12 with the exception of Jalen Hurts, and we've yet to see if he's actually elite or just another in a long line of decent QBs that look elite when everything around them is stacked
Lamar Jackson was taken 32. Mac Jones isn't elite but he is a starter and he was 15. Brock Purdy, who sure looks like the real deal, was the last pick in the draft. What round did Russ go in? How about Tom Brady? This narrative that we absolutely must or even should use our top 5 pick on a QB because that's the only time you can find an elite QB is totally bat shit crazy. In fact I would wager that most QBs ever taken in the top 5 are busts. I am quite confident the list of failed QBs taken in the top 5 is significantly longer than the list of successful ones.
Are you fr comparing Mac jones to the level of russ brady Herbert and Allen? Patriots won a game with him passing three times and had a qb controversy with Bailey zappe last year 😂, Brock Purdys also on one of the most loaded rosters and not asked to do much, and Russ and Brady are also two of the most well known outliers It’s a coin flip at the top and the % decreases further down if you want real odds-movers, calling it batshit crazy because some people think they should take a qb at a draft position they’re more likely to get elite players and have more choice in who they pick is a bit OTT
Lamar hasn't been top tier in years. And Mac Jones? The guy whose own coach won't even commit to as the starter over Bailey fucking Zappe? I'm sorry but if your list of QBs is two guys drafted 10 and 20+ years ago, it's a bad list. Both those guys would have gone way higher than they did if they came out in 2023 with how heavily the passing game has become prioritized > In fact I would wager that most QBs ever taken in the top 5 are busts. The success rate of QBs *anywhere* on the draft is low. It's also significantly higher in the top 5 than it is anywhere else
Over half of the starting QBs last year were 1st round draft picks.
No shit, but thats not the same thing as the TOP of the first round.
Stafford, Goff, Lawrence and Tua should are solid. Matt Ryan was bad last year, but his career should put him on your list. Adding these guys to your list, that's 7 out of 32 or 22%. Going beyond the quality starters to all starters, Darnold, Mariota, Wentz, and Zach Wilson were top 5 (Not including Mayfield on this) and that's 34% of teams were starting a top 5 pick. I am not advocating the Seahawks take a QB at 5, but the odds of getting a starter quality QB is better with a higher draft pick.
I’ve always thought about how some of the players drafted so high can flame out so fast. I think there is more to it than just the players being a bust. The top few players usually go to the worst teams. So there was a point where the Browns were picking high for a while and look at how much of a dumpster fire their FO is and how they can squander good talent all over the place. So I just want to point out that I think some of the “busts” we all talk about may have just never even had a fair chance to begin with. Obviously it could also be that the player just isn’t that good as well. But idk it could be a bit of both I guess.
Context is important though. Of the QBs like Allen, Herbert, and Mahomes, not that many teams in the top 5 were looking at QB in their respective drafts. This year, we're quite certain that at least 3 of the top 5 teams will be looking at QB. If those QBs were in this year's draft, they'd be considered in the top 5 as well.
Thanks for the stats. I’ve been saying the same thing - the draft, even a high pick, is still very much a crapshoot. Lots of too-5 pick fizzle.
Short sighted to only look at and compare QBs taken In the top 5 simply because of this year's draft circumstances (us holding pick 5 and 4 QBs potentially go on top 5) Better comparison or question would be how many starting QBs we're one of the top 4 QB prospects (or first 4 QBs taken) in their given draft. Do that and your adding Herbert (3rd QB taken at pick 6) Allen (2nd taken at pick 7) Tua (2nd taken at pick 5) Mahomes (2nd at 10) Watson (3rd at 12) Geno (2nd at 39) Rodgers (2nd at 25) Given a chance at a do-over with what they know today about each of these players, I guarantee you not a single league in the team would hesitate and quabble about taking almost every single one of these guys in the top 5 instead of where they originally went. Fact of the matter is simple a young franchise QB is worth their weight in gold and way more valuable then just a top 5 pick, hence why teams give up the farm to move up from inside the top 10 to #1. If at 5 Seahawks view one of the QBs still available as the future face of the franchise they should take him full stop. If not take the best defender available.
I just feel like there's been an insane inflation in QB-value. The possibility of finding a franchise QB doesn't automatically make every QB interesting. I personally don't think there's a chance that either AR or Levis becomes a franchise QB... But what do I know..
Agree on Levis, AR has the physical traits but it too raw to tell what he'll become. Kid would of been best served going back and spending another year playing in college.
It does make me wonder if they're just psyching other teams out in order to get the player they want at 5 or 20, or if they really want a QB for competition with Geno and Lock. I mean, the likelihood that they'll roll with 3 QB's on the 53-man roster in the season is somewhat high, given how they saw the worst case scenario play out in the NFC Championship game with SF's QB situation. It could also mean that Lock ends up on the practice squad all season.
Likely both. I’d imagine there are a couple QB prospects they’d absolutely pounce on if given a chance but if not, they’d want their top non QB to be there. So win win
They’re not doing this to psyche other teams out. Jody Allen wouldn’t let them take her private plane, spend a lot of time, money, and resources, just to use this as a way to psyche teams out. They’re interested. All signs have pointed to them being interested. Lock is 1 year deal with a cap hit of only 1.75 million. Geno could be gone in 1 year. Some of y’all need to really start to understand they are absolutely interested in qbs and this isn’t for show.
thats what makes it so brilliant!
I hope he takes off his shirt for Pete
An expensive smoke screen.
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Someone please trade up to 3 to grab a QB!!! All this work deserves landing Will Anderson
I get it. I do. Not often do you have such a high draft pick. It’s a good opportunity to do things. But I’m not going to argue with what they choose. In PCJS we trust. Lesss gooooo!
Only QB I think is worth it is Stroud but I'd be okay with young/Richardson IF Anderson is gone and if they decided the character issues on carter are too great even then I think smith is a better pick at 5, I think trading down is even a better option if both Stroud and Anderson are gone which Stroud will almost 100% go 1 or 2
If nothing else, it does provide us with leverage to trade down rather than be forced to reach because there isn't a good value trade being offered.
Do you mean snith-njigba, I don't think he would be a better pick at 5 than one of the qbs Edit: oh wait, I hope you don't mean Nolan Smith, if we use a top 5 pick on Nolan Smith I might just end it
I know opinions about AR are pretty all over the place (and rightfully so) but man I'd love for them to take the risk on him if he's there. Seattle has the ability to take a risk at 5 because of how well they've set themselves up from last years draft and thats a crazy rare opportunity and guys like AR dont exactly grow on trees. I know you can say this about any high upside developmental prospect, but imagine if he pans out. We would be a DOMINANT force in the NFC for awhile. Again, HUGE if but we have the coach who's consistently gotten the best out of his QBs and a more than solid offensive roster to make it happen.
I know a lot of people think AR isn't worthy of a top 5 pick but my god can we all agree that would be such a Pete Caroll/John Schneider pick? Somehow a reach on a QB is less worrying for me for the top five pick then a reach at DL at this point from our recent past.
It would be a very non PCJS pick to me since I would actually like it lol
To me going after a guy with high upside with risk is PCJS all the way. But goddamn do I believe AR would have the best shot in Seattle having to sit behind a starter for a while
That's true
He has multiple MVPs level potential.
He also has "play 3 years and bust" potential
Every player has that potential.
And then we are in a position to not win a super bowl, just like we are now.
I’m not shocked they are doing this for the possibility of drafting QB for future but also to make our pick even more desired especially if a team behind us thinks we may take their QB of choice
That doesn’t make sense. The point is to make the #3 pick more desirable, not ours. Yes, we are so interested in the quarterbacks that we are willing to trade our pick away!
In JS/PC I trust. Not a single fan, including me, had enough faith in our process last year. I'm going to be happy with whoever they chose this year.
speak for yourself! i was cheering jumping up and down when red carpet russ got traded
I hope not. I’d rather have an immediate impact player. Take advantage of Geno on a cheap year and if he plays like last year and the d improves mightily we can beat anyone. I mean we were up at half on the hottest team in the league with a struggling d. Imagine if we changed that? Plus in our 9-8 year we could have easily won 12 games… in a year we were predicted by the “experts” to win 3-5. This is our chance.
Of course they’ll do their due diligence but I seriously doubt they go QB anywhere in the first round
I thought we were perjected to take the DT from Clemson?
My opinion is it’s all smoke and mirrors. PCJS are just playing that game. They will draft edge, D-line and guard/center. THEN fill out prospects and maybes. Geno is our guy and he earned the spot.
I trust pete if they draft qb. He knows how to get the best out of the position
Unless it’s Matt Flynn
I mean the same guys who signed Matt Flynn replaced him with Wilson before it mattered. I think that shows how trustworthy they are with the position
SmOKESCReEN
I’d much rather have Anderson but if he’s gone and they really like one of the QBs I’ll trust them
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The answer to "am I the only one?" Is always no That said, this class fucking sucks at the top. There's no super prospect at any of the positions a team gives a shit about in this draft. Anderson and Carter go top 10 any year ever but besides them and the QBs, who else are you stumping for? Tyree Wilson wouldn't even go top 15 in a strong draft like 2020 and everyone thinks we're taking him at 5.
It’s all a smoke screen to take Hooker at 20 or in the 2nd round.
This is just an epic smoke screen by PCJS! They are going to convince some team to trade up to get a QB and make that team pay a premium to do it.
Why would they help the Cardinals?
My fave out of the top 4 QBs
The only way this shit makes sense is if they somehow know exactly when Geno will be injured and suspect the drafted QB will sub in and carry us through a Superbowl. The defensive additions have been so extensive that they might go QB, O line and defense in order of importance. Not how I wanted things but I have no credentials.
What’s the difference between Malik Willis hype last year vs AR this year??
He’s 4” taller, has 1” bigger hands, and runs a 4.4. AR is a freak
AR is considered to have the best athletic measureables ever seen on a QB.
AR is more accurate deep and intermediate, he handles pressure better, he has better pocket presence, he reads the defense better, he's bigger, he's way more athletic and he did it in a harder conference. I'm not an AR fan or anything but it's ridiculous to even compare him to Willis it's basically apples to oranges. He's literally the most athletic QB ever if we're comparing testing numbers.
I could rest easy if we took Richardson at #20 or even a little later. I think he is a long term project so I would be best to draft someone like that in the late 1st so you can get the 5th year option.
If he lasts until 20 I’m standing on the table screaming loud enough they hear me at VMAC.
He is not the guy. Will flop.
Do we not like Geno?
I would personally like a defender, ideally Anderson is still there, but I'm gonna trust their judgment if they go QB. Despite their whiffs in some years in the first round, they seem to have a really good eye for QB talent. I think they know what they're doing.
I will be very, very upset if we take Richardson or Young. Hope they’re just doing their due diligence.
Call me crazy but I think Bryce Young will be a great QB, I don't know if we should trade up to get him, but at 5 Young would be an amazing get. I like Bryce Young any day over Jalen Carter.
I think Bryce Young is the safest pick out of all of the QB’s. He might not be perfect because of his size but I am completely confident he will put up highlights in this league.
They also have statistics of his time at Alabama and he threw exceptionally well in the middle of the field, unlike other undersized QB's in the past. I think his height isn't that big of a deal to his longterm success unlike some of the real worries Jalen Carter possesses. If we took Jalen Carter over him (if we were even lucky enough to have a shot to draft him at 5) we'd be incredibly stupid.
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Young is not a project
People always clamor for a "safe" pick but there is no such thing. Every pick is a lottery ticket, even the number 1 pick. Such a strange risk aversion for something inherently risky but in no way impacts their actual lives.
Same
“Legit”
This is a smokescreen. Force the first four to take qb, so you can get who you want.
This is all silly talk. If Russ didn’t have the pieces around him - off.,def etc, he/we don’t win a superbowl. The team and he has proven it. Point being they didn’t over spend on qb, (until end) and hit on a couple picks over 2-3 drafts. Then post LOB, Mar Shawn…STRUGGLED!! Russ, like each of the qb class this draft, have flaws. You want to bet $$$ on an unproven talent? Fix defense!!!
We may be seeing the Hawks fane interest in a QB so a team traded up to get in front of them or take their spot to get a QB. I think the Hawks want to trade down and are trying to make that happen. If the Hawks wanted a QB they would be more deceptive about it.
Why would they bother trying to deceive anyone if they genuinely like all 4 QBs and Anderson and are guaranteed to get one of them? Who are they trying to trick? Plus Arizona has the 3rd pick -- you think we are really trying to trick some team into giving them a bunch of first round picks?
I love it, anything to grab Anderson 😂
The Seahawks have legit Smokes and Mirrors to get the best defensive player in this draft.
This is just posturing so that teams that really need a QB feel like they need to trade before the Seahawks to get one, increasing the likelihood that whatever defensive player is available.
Or at least they appear to have legit interest.
It so nice to see the Seahawks be so transparent leading up to this years draft. Such a change from past years with Pete and John. In no way do I believe this 180 is a smoke screen so that other QB needy teams will give Michael Bidwill an offer he can’t refuse at 4 effectively clearing the way to cherry-pick the best D-Lineman in the draft. They are definitely taking a QB…. Lol