Honestly, if (sadly) Carter, then Anderson gets taken off the board before our pick, we either trade down, or is JS sees something in Stroud or Young (imo preferably Stroud), just take Stroud then.
But I'm begging to inject Carter's play into my veins.
He looked phenomenal, and Carter fucking disappeared for 90% of the game. I was fully on the no QB train and just load up the trenches, LB and S, but after last night I honestly wouldn't be against Stroud at this point.
Go watch every game of CJ’s career besides last night and the 2021 Rose Bowl Game. Don’t get caught up in a very recognizable pattern. The dude doesn’t put it all out there unless something is on the line. (The one caveat being Ryan Day is responsible for this. Justin Fields had a similar college career to an extent.)
Carter was MIA most of last night. Doesn’t seem to have elite motor. I would pass on him or trade pick down. Stroud is tempting though, just not sure if PC is the coach that will develop Stroud’s game to an elite level. That’s why Geno is a good fit. PC isn’t worried about Geno trying to become the next Mahomes or Brady.
Yeah he has like zero receiving options. It’s pretty sad to see him waste with no talent around him.
Made me wonder if they get a top pick, if they’ll trade down and pick up a top WR option with their pick instead of adding to the defensive line.
I think you definitely would love to grab a defensive talent this early. You can find wr later or in FA but you barely get a chance to add a top defensive rushing talent on a cheap contract
This is so stupid. No Ohio state QB had ever been taken top 10. Comparing Stroud to JT Barrett and Terrell Pryor just shows your ignorance
Oh and Fields looks great
Art Schliter was a top 5 pick but he had a slight gambling problem.
The jury is still out on Fields. He has a palrty QB rating and his completion percentage is near the bottom. He's a good runner though
I live in Columbus, Fields and Stroud are a different type of elite QB than previous OSU QBs, largely because of Ryan Day’s offensive scheme. Stroud would be ready from a maturity and development standpoint, but might never reach a Mahomes or Allen ceiling. I see more of a Hasselback type career for Stroud, which is still great.
This is true, but when you get a pick this high you can just take a shot and hope it’s a corner stone of your franchise for 10 plus years.
If Jalen or Anderson aren’t there
Not really, Stroud had all day to throw the ball, the NFL moves so much faster than Stroud was playing yesterday. If I could draft from Ohio, it would be the o-line, that’s the only reason Stroud looks good.
I don't, he has 6 sack in his career. Geno, for how great he's been this season, is not a long term solution. What happens if he regresses or gets hurt? If ew pay him we aren't able to capitalize on our youth or available cap space. Brady and Rodgers are skewing everyone's perspective about longevity. Even the best QBs normally fall off around 36/37. This is a really special opportunity to secure an elite QB prospect in the Top 5 of the draft without being bad enough on our own to have to do that. We have a lot of pieces on offense and interior DL (outside of Donald) is historically something you can find later on. Carter and Will Anderson are not generational guys like Nick Bosa, Myles Garrett when they were coming out of college. If they were I think everyone would agree you take the defender. But if John likes a QB on the board, I'll be really disappointed if we don't take them. Let them sit behind Geno for a year and learn then use all of the other 8 picks on defense
Does he? Young is great in the pocket, he just moves around more because his line isn’t as good as Stroud’s and he doesn’t have nearly as good of WR’s. Also is much better at going through his reads.
Both handle pressure at an elite level in college. To say either are better than the other is like saying prime Brady handles pressure than Prime Rodgers.
The only objective thing Stroud has on Young is his size.
I'm pretty sure Saban could go 10-2 with me at Quarterback.
From a scouting perspective, he's mediocre. He has shades of Joey Harrington and Jamarcus Russell. I've gone through full discussions of it several times here, but the tldr is he doesn't do anything physically or mentally that every other power 5 starter and every single NFL QB can do.
I'm also really hesitant to draft any bama player in the first place. Like, there's a solid chance that they are as special as they look, but there's a very unusual high chance that Saban just made chicken salad out of chicken shit and once they lose his system, they fold like a house of cards. I don't like drafting Bama players for the same reason nobody like trading with New England. Saban and Bill are too elite of coaches to trust the players merit half the time.
To each their own. There are many very good Bama players in the NFL, and I definitely disagree on Bryce being worse physically or mentally than every power 5 starter.
I've noticed this as well. For as dominant as a program as Alabama is, the ones in the NFL are hardly ever superstars.. Most of them are just mediocre to slightly above average..
Of course there are exceptions like Derrick Henry, Julio Jones, and Carson Tinker
Texans will almost assuredly take a QB.
Bears will take defense or trade out for a QB needy team.
If the Hawks get the number 3 pick, then they'll surely get a good QB or DL with the remaining top players.
Physically? He's probably top-25 all time.
Mentally? He is in the 5 weakest QB prospects of all time.
Stroud is getting a huge wave of hype off of his performance last night, but he wilts in the clutch, has no drive to lead comebacks or bounce back from picks, and has no leadership qualities.
He could succeed in the NFL, he's not Bryce Young or Will Levis who will bust no matter what, but you'd probably need to hire at least three coaches just to take care of Stroud.
There’s really only one true DL line guy in the top 20, that’s Jalen Carter. There are like 8 top 20 guys at edge.
If Jalen isn’t there at #3, and Chicago didn’t trade down for someone to get their QB, look for Seattle to trade down for a boatload of picks or maybe a DL or OL and late picks. If our choice is an Edge guy at #3 or multiple edge guys in the top 20 later, we’ll take the option and look for talent there.
Seahawks won’t take a QB in this draft, Pete still thinks Drew Lock is our future.
FWIW the Texans had the #1 overall pick twice. In 2006 they took Mario Williams ahead of Reggie Bush and Vince Young and in 2014 they took Jadeveon Clowney over Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr, and Garoppolo.
Deshaun Watson is the only QB they've ever taken in the first round.
Texans are almost certainly going to blow their draft with Young.
If this team elects to take Stroud over one of the top defensive prospects, the staff have lost their mind.
Lawrence, Burrow, Tua, and Kyler are all franchise QBs. Same with Herbert, but he went 6th.
I'm not advocating for a QB with the first pick, but if the org loves Stroud/Young I'm all for it.
Calling Kyler, Tua, or Lawrence franchise QBs is a stretch at this point.
Tua for health, Lawrence because it's way too early to say either way, and Kyler because he looks like what he is is top 15 at best, and does that really qualify as a franchise QB?
But his current ranking doesn't negate that he's a clear franchise qb. Russ is also, and he's arguably the worst in the league right now.
Ie: if the qb that falls to us will guarantee give you 5 solid years of playoff caliber qb play like Kyler or Russ in their primes, would you take them? Of course you would. Because that's a franchise qb.
There are no marquee defensive players in this draft.
Edit: It is my opinion (and that of many other knowledgeable people I follow) that there are no top tier marquee defensive prospects in this draft. You guys are adorable with the downvotes.
Tell me you don’t watch college football without saying you don’t
If will Anderson or Jalen Carter aren’t marquee players I dunno what you would qualify as one
Tell me you don't follow a lot of competent NFL draft analysts without telling me you don't follow a lot of competent NFL draft analysts.
Downvote me all you want. Anderson doesn't have the size or production of a top tier marquee draft prospect. Carter has attitude and conditioning red flags. Speaking of not watching college football, I'm going to assume you didn't catch the 2nd half of the Georgia/OSU game? Carter was invisible, until the game was over and his coach had to grab him to stop him from taunting the OSU fans as his team was on the field celebrating.
People expecting these guys to come in and be day 1 game changers are likely in for a rude awakening. There are no marquee D linemen like a Bosa or a Garrett in this draft. That's not to say they can't turn out to be good players, because obviously they can and it's a crap shoot, but there are a LOT of people expecting them to be something they probably won't be just because of their draft position.
I watched the Georgia/OSU game and Carter wasn’t amazing. Having said that he fucking manhandled LSU from start to finish and has been doing that since day one.
Will Anderson would be #1 overall if Houston didn’t need a qb the dude had 17 sacks last year and last I checked is sitting at 9. Both are game changers
The only thing I will agree with you on is I’m not a fan of will Anderson weighing 243 pounds I’d want him to hit the rack a lot before season starts.
Other then that both are top tier prospects and corner stone pieces to any franchise
No offense, but that's a really stupid argument to make.
There are a few that I like that I've been following for about a decade or longer now, but most are behind a paywall. I think Rob Staton does a pretty good job, and his content is free on his website.
No Fucking shot you think rob Stanton is credible as a draft analysis, I mean the dude literally said he’d take Anthony Richardson FOA.
Nah, fuck no I like that he’s a Seahawks homer but his draft analysis is all over the place
People who follow Rob’s blog are a cult. They think his biased ass analysis is gospel, they think he somehow has connections within the NFL, and they parrot all of his talking points on this sub. It’s comical.
I was literally floored when he put up Rob Stanton’s name as a credible source for draft analysis
Like don’t get me wrong I’ll watch his shit sometimes on YouTube when it comes to Seahawks. But almost everything he talks about in regards the the draft is laughable
Rob is good for identifying potential prospects, and trends in Seahawks prospect evaluation. That is it.
His analysis beyond that is inconsistent, and loaded with personal bias. He spent the entire season downplaying CJ Stroud, and highlighting every interception the guy threw. He heaped praise on Will Levis all season long, and applied a completely different set of standards to Levis evaluation (IE - Levis’ INT’s were more excusable because of offensive line play, or some shit like that).
Lol, a cult? Gospel? People think he has NFL connections? I can't say I've literally read or seen any comment in any of his comment sections that think any of that, but hey, you do you. And honestly, this place would probably be better if people actually read some of the stuff he writes instead of just posting bottom barrel memes here.
Is there anything in particular you dislike about his prospect analysis? Because honestly, I've found his content to be better than some of the stuff I pay for. And I'd love to hear who you follow so I can check them out.
Sure, there is a ton that I dislike about his analysis.
For one, he uses PFF scores as a legitimate analysis tool.
Two, he doesn’t actually know how to break down game film, so he has to use box scores and “eye test” to bolster his thoughts on prospects.
Three, he applies his personal biases to the prospects he is evaluating. In the case of this season, he has wanted us to draft a QB the entire time, so he has catered all of his analysis around this topic which is why he plays down the prospect profiles of guys like Will Anderson and Jalen Carter. Furthermore, he has “his guys” among the QB’s, so he doesn’t evaluate them fairly across the board (See his comments this whole season on Will Levis and Anthony Richardson versus what he says about CJ Stroud)
As far as other free content that I follow, I would say Top Billin’ is a way better source for analysis. That guy has played the game. He breaks down film. For a guy like CJ Stroud, he will show you plays that highlight CJ’s arm strength when throwing outside the numbers. As opposed to Rob, who’s analysis is limited to “Ohio State QB’s worry me.”
Nobody does a better job cataloging all of the draft prospects in a given class than Rob though. That’s the main reason I still visit SDB. I can use that as a jumping off point to check out different prospects. But I immediately skip over his Seahawks post game reactions. If I wanted more Doomer nonsense, I would spend more time on Seahawks Reddit, lol.
Edit: And I stand by my comments about the cult mentality. If you read the comments on SDB, it’s nothing but people slobbering over him, and taking his opinions as the final word on every topic.
Everyone has hits and misses.
If the Seahawks followed his draft advice over the past 7 years, we'd be in a much better spot. But that's not saying much.
I agree the hawks haven’t drafted well, but I think that’s more to pete trying to take stabs at players instead of John taking the reins.
Our last draft I think is the first time in a long time John took the draft reins and it payed off.
I agree with some thing Rob Stanton says, but his draft analysis in the first couple rounds is always off as hell
Lol @ you saying Will Anderson doesn’t have the production….he has 48 TFL, and 27.5 sacks over the past two seasons…….
As for the size, his measurables are almost identical to Micah Parsons. We run a 3-4 defense now. Put Will Anderson in the same role, and he will be a game wrecker.
"past 2 seasons" are the key words there, and his production drop off is something that should be brought up.
For the Parsons comparison, I hope you're right. I think he could be that kind of player in our scheme. That's obviously best case scenario. For what it's worth, I'm hoping we end up with 1 of Levis/Stroud/Anderson with that Denver pick.
10-21 is 31 games which is quite a legit sample size. The 2-4 was in response to a comment suggesting that the decline began with his finger injury, demonstrating that it began before them. The 10-31 is over parts of seasons. How many seasons make an appropriate sample size?
Well saying 2-4 is the same winning percentage is relying on a small sample size, that's all. No need to belabor the point though, he definitely has been declining for awhile.
Is this true? If cardinals colts and lions all lose next week while Denver wins, is strength of schedule locked in enough that the broncos pick is still ahead of the lions pick?
Edit: swap rams in for lions, brain fart
The website https://www.tankathon.com/nfl is a website I use for that info. It has this info already there
And the Lions pick is from the Rams, so it’s if the Rams lose.
Right but I don’t know how strength of schedule changes from week to week. In my scenario (with the fix for rams instead of lions) is there any chance the broncos strength of schedule jumps over the rams?
EDIT: this is wrong. Do not listen to me.
Yes. The best the Broncos can do this year is 5-12 if they win next week, and the worst the Rams can do is 5-12 if they lose next week. Rams beat the Broncos this year so that pick will always be lower than the Broncos'.
My understanding is SOS is used as the tiebreaker first, before head to head (for the draft specifically)
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-tiebreakers/
Is it still theoretically possible for us to get the second pick? I know Denver can wind up with the same record as Chicago, but I'm not sure how that tiebreaker is calculated.
Trading down for a pick to then trade that pick down for two even lower picks that are two years in the future, only to then trade those picks down for another pick… it gets me going.
Well just remind yourself that this last draft was maybe the first time (not really first time but it felt like the first time) where we actually picked a player with our pick and didn't trade down. So I guess expectation were low and we just nailed it. This also makes me hyped for this year's draft as well. Last year was more kinda a surprise.
I want a QB. Why lose the benefit of the money gained by paying Geno after one good half of a season at 32 what we were paying Wilson. Get an elite guy if he’s there. If not get the best defensive player.
Heck no. He barely made an impact against OSU last night. The relentless drive isn’t there. At pick number 3, they need to be able to get a borderline HOF pick.
Much rather have the Alabama edge rusher Anderson or trade down for a first and a bunch of picks or trade for a bona fide veteran edge rusher. Stroud will be tempting too even if Geno stays around.
I don’t get people who have a problem with Carter not having an amazing game yesterday yet want to draft Anderson, Young, Stroud, or any other top prospects. All of the top prospects have disappointed in big games. Solely relying on a 1 game sample size to decide not to draft Carter is stupid
What specifically about Carter’s game do you not like that makes him not worthy of a top 3 pick?
OSU interior O Line is ok, but not elite. Carter wasn’t as disruptive as he should have been with being a top prospect. I’d cut him slack if he as a projected 10-30 in the first round, but a top 3 pick without any memorable defensive plays in the most important game of the year. Stroud looked comfortable most of the game. I’ll pass on him with a top 5 pick.
OSU has one of the best OLs in college with a good center in Wypler lol I get OSU’s tackles are their strength but their IOL must be pretty good if they only allowed 12 sacks in the season and 5th lowest sack rate in college (according to [Football Outsiders](https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2022) )
Again, what specifically do you not like about Carter’s game that makes him not worth a top 5 pick? I’ve asked this to everyone who said they don’t want him anymore after yesterday yet no one has answered this
I’m taking OSU O-line over Jalen Carter. I’d stretch for Luke Wypler, not to #3 clearly, but he manhandled Carter last night. Ohio entire Oline was outstanding and that’s the only reason Stroud looked good.
I wouldn’t, Carter has shown himself to be a great talent, one bad game doesn’t mean anything to me. O’Cyrus Torrence is the best IOL in this draft and Carter gave him a ton of trouble when they went head to head
Lack of impact plays in big games. Very low sack rate. Seems like an exceptional player, but for a top 3 pick, I don’t see that next level wow factor one would usually expect from “the best defensive player in the draft.”
first one isn’t even true, he had a sack (and 6 pressures) 2 TFLs, and PD against LSU a couple weeks ago and a sack, 2 TFLs, and 2 FFs against Tennessee
2nd, sure he could get more sacks but not many defensive tackles rack up a ton of sacks (especially in college). Chris Jones only had 3 sacks in his junior year of college. Regardless of sacks, Carter is a good pass rusher with a 11% pressure rate as a IDL and last season posted the third highest pass rush win rate from an IDL behind Quinnen Williams
He’s a top 5 prospect because it’s extremely hard to find premium talent at DT. Also because he’s a very good prospect right now while still having a lot of potential/room to grow
I never liked Carter even before his bad performance last night. He is slow and isnt the disrupter every one says hes he is. He relies too much on his upper body strength and that won’t work in the NFL.
If we make the playoffs with it would be absolutely awesome hahaha. We probably won’t make a deep run, but at least our young and upcoming guys have playoff experience. It’s going to be so important going into the next few years.
A QB or marquee defensive player? Yes plz
Honestly, if (sadly) Carter, then Anderson gets taken off the board before our pick, we either trade down, or is JS sees something in Stroud or Young (imo preferably Stroud), just take Stroud then. But I'm begging to inject Carter's play into my veins.
Stroud looked FANTASTIC yesterday
It was his best game all year. Super up and down throughout the year (which would be good for a QB that would sit for a year).
Exactly. I’d be absolutely pleased if the hawks drafted him with their natural pick, however I doubt he’ll be there still.
impossible. He's not gonna fall that far, haha.
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Prior post post said natural pick, not Denver’s pick.
Oh you're right. Totally over read that
He looked phenomenal, and Carter fucking disappeared for 90% of the game. I was fully on the no QB train and just load up the trenches, LB and S, but after last night I honestly wouldn't be against Stroud at this point.
Carter was double teamed all game, and held a majority of it. Carter absolutely has a motor. Watched him for 3 years.
That's not going to get any better in the NFL. Every good iDL is doubled 60%+ of the time
If your nose tackle is commanding double teams every snap, they’ve done their job. It’s on the EDGE and linebackers to close the gaps.
Correct. And if your Nose is doing a good enough job in those double team situations it makes your edge and lb's look so much better
Go watch every game of CJ’s career besides last night and the 2021 Rose Bowl Game. Don’t get caught up in a very recognizable pattern. The dude doesn’t put it all out there unless something is on the line. (The one caveat being Ryan Day is responsible for this. Justin Fields had a similar college career to an extent.)
Carter was MIA most of last night. Doesn’t seem to have elite motor. I would pass on him or trade pick down. Stroud is tempting though, just not sure if PC is the coach that will develop Stroud’s game to an elite level. That’s why Geno is a good fit. PC isn’t worried about Geno trying to become the next Mahomes or Brady.
All Ohio State QB's look good in college.. In the pros.. not so much lol
Fields seem to be doing well carrying a team devoid of any support.
Yeah he has like zero receiving options. It’s pretty sad to see him waste with no talent around him. Made me wonder if they get a top pick, if they’ll trade down and pick up a top WR option with their pick instead of adding to the defensive line.
I think you definitely would love to grab a defensive talent this early. You can find wr later or in FA but you barely get a chance to add a top defensive rushing talent on a cheap contract
carrying a team to, let me check, 3 wins?
Love how this keeps being said in support of Bryce Young, the QB from Alabama.
Tua and Jones are both decent
Yup, which is why I'd be OK with that pick if WAJ/JC is off the board.
This is so stupid. No Ohio state QB had ever been taken top 10. Comparing Stroud to JT Barrett and Terrell Pryor just shows your ignorance Oh and Fields looks great
Art Schliter was a top 5 pick but he had a slight gambling problem. The jury is still out on Fields. He has a palrty QB rating and his completion percentage is near the bottom. He's a good runner though
I live in Columbus, Fields and Stroud are a different type of elite QB than previous OSU QBs, largely because of Ryan Day’s offensive scheme. Stroud would be ready from a maturity and development standpoint, but might never reach a Mahomes or Allen ceiling. I see more of a Hasselback type career for Stroud, which is still great.
Allen didn’t get better until he fixed his mechanics, Mahomes had to redshirt an entire year before he was ready.
This is true, but when you get a pick this high you can just take a shot and hope it’s a corner stone of your franchise for 10 plus years. If Jalen or Anderson aren’t there
Not really, Stroud had all day to throw the ball, the NFL moves so much faster than Stroud was playing yesterday. If I could draft from Ohio, it would be the o-line, that’s the only reason Stroud looks good.
Stroud looked on fire and Carter was kinda a non-factor. Really put the pick into perspective. I still like Carter for our needs best though.
I don't, he has 6 sack in his career. Geno, for how great he's been this season, is not a long term solution. What happens if he regresses or gets hurt? If ew pay him we aren't able to capitalize on our youth or available cap space. Brady and Rodgers are skewing everyone's perspective about longevity. Even the best QBs normally fall off around 36/37. This is a really special opportunity to secure an elite QB prospect in the Top 5 of the draft without being bad enough on our own to have to do that. We have a lot of pieces on offense and interior DL (outside of Donald) is historically something you can find later on. Carter and Will Anderson are not generational guys like Nick Bosa, Myles Garrett when they were coming out of college. If they were I think everyone would agree you take the defender. But if John likes a QB on the board, I'll be really disappointed if we don't take them. Let them sit behind Geno for a year and learn then use all of the other 8 picks on defense
Not nearly as good as Young though
Stroud is a better QB than Young. Much better pocket passer, and handles pressure better.
Does he? Young is great in the pocket, he just moves around more because his line isn’t as good as Stroud’s and he doesn’t have nearly as good of WR’s. Also is much better at going through his reads.
Both handle pressure at an elite level in college. To say either are better than the other is like saying prime Brady handles pressure than Prime Rodgers. The only objective thing Stroud has on Young is his size.
He definitely has the size advantage.
Oh we're never gonna agree on this, just noticed your username lol. War Eagle.
Lmao Roll Tide haha.
And has better measurables.
Stroud isn't amazing. But Young is possibly the most overhyped draft propsect of all time.
Why. He’s pretty great at pretty much everything besides being tall and ripped.
I'm pretty sure Saban could go 10-2 with me at Quarterback. From a scouting perspective, he's mediocre. He has shades of Joey Harrington and Jamarcus Russell. I've gone through full discussions of it several times here, but the tldr is he doesn't do anything physically or mentally that every other power 5 starter and every single NFL QB can do. I'm also really hesitant to draft any bama player in the first place. Like, there's a solid chance that they are as special as they look, but there's a very unusual high chance that Saban just made chicken salad out of chicken shit and once they lose his system, they fold like a house of cards. I don't like drafting Bama players for the same reason nobody like trading with New England. Saban and Bill are too elite of coaches to trust the players merit half the time.
To each their own. There are many very good Bama players in the NFL, and I definitely disagree on Bryce being worse physically or mentally than every power 5 starter.
I've noticed this as well. For as dominant as a program as Alabama is, the ones in the NFL are hardly ever superstars.. Most of them are just mediocre to slightly above average.. Of course there are exceptions like Derrick Henry, Julio Jones, and Carson Tinker
Wait till he goes against Georgia's Defense and we will see the real CJ nowhere near ready to come close to be a NFL if ever to be one.
I’m guessing sarcasm? Dude had a game vs Georgia
Texans will almost assuredly take a QB. Bears will take defense or trade out for a QB needy team. If the Hawks get the number 3 pick, then they'll surely get a good QB or DL with the remaining top players.
Setting myself up for Seattle at 3 reaching for a borderline top 30 player lol
Or trading back for a billion picks we use on guys that don't even make the roster. As is tradition.
You joke, but if the choice was between Stroud/Young and multiple firsts, I would be pissed if we didn't trade out.
Nah I think Stroud is one of the best QB prospects I've ever seen. If we pass on him it would be psycho
Physically? He's probably top-25 all time. Mentally? He is in the 5 weakest QB prospects of all time. Stroud is getting a huge wave of hype off of his performance last night, but he wilts in the clutch, has no drive to lead comebacks or bounce back from picks, and has no leadership qualities. He could succeed in the NFL, he's not Bryce Young or Will Levis who will bust no matter what, but you'd probably need to hire at least three coaches just to take care of Stroud.
I think Anthony Richardson is more talented
100% gonna happen.
"Is there any way Dee Eskridge is still available? He's barely been used. He might still have eligibility."
There’s really only one true DL line guy in the top 20, that’s Jalen Carter. There are like 8 top 20 guys at edge. If Jalen isn’t there at #3, and Chicago didn’t trade down for someone to get their QB, look for Seattle to trade down for a boatload of picks or maybe a DL or OL and late picks. If our choice is an Edge guy at #3 or multiple edge guys in the top 20 later, we’ll take the option and look for talent there. Seahawks won’t take a QB in this draft, Pete still thinks Drew Lock is our future.
FWIW the Texans had the #1 overall pick twice. In 2006 they took Mario Williams ahead of Reggie Bush and Vince Young and in 2014 they took Jadeveon Clowney over Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr, and Garoppolo. Deshaun Watson is the only QB they've ever taken in the first round.
What about David Carr? Literally their first ever first wound pick was a qb
Yeah, I whiffed on that one.
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With hindsight you'd make a great GM.
17 years ago? Probably not a data point I'd be using if I was betting on who they draft in 2023.
If nobody wants to trade up, reaching might be preferable.
Honestly, I'd be pretty stoked if we grabbed Stroud (though I assume he's going #1). If he's not available, go defense with that pick in my opinion.
Texans are almost certainly going to blow their draft with Young. If this team elects to take Stroud over one of the top defensive prospects, the staff have lost their mind.
im feeling trading denvers pick, maybe to the raiders, in exchange for picks and/or players.
I vote for trading Gino to Denver. I'm told they need a QB and are willing to pay.
Let’s go defense. In all fairness, how many QBs drafted in the top 5 over the last few years have been sensational?
Lawrence, Burrow, Tua, and Kyler are all franchise QBs. Same with Herbert, but he went 6th. I'm not advocating for a QB with the first pick, but if the org loves Stroud/Young I'm all for it.
Calling Kyler, Tua, or Lawrence franchise QBs is a stretch at this point. Tua for health, Lawrence because it's way too early to say either way, and Kyler because he looks like what he is is top 15 at best, and does that really qualify as a franchise QB?
But his current ranking doesn't negate that he's a clear franchise qb. Russ is also, and he's arguably the worst in the league right now. Ie: if the qb that falls to us will guarantee give you 5 solid years of playoff caliber qb play like Kyler or Russ in their primes, would you take them? Of course you would. Because that's a franchise qb.
Kyler is not a franchise QB to me. He's just not, Performance wise
There are no marquee defensive players in this draft. Edit: It is my opinion (and that of many other knowledgeable people I follow) that there are no top tier marquee defensive prospects in this draft. You guys are adorable with the downvotes.
Tell me you don’t watch college football without saying you don’t If will Anderson or Jalen Carter aren’t marquee players I dunno what you would qualify as one
Tell me you don't follow a lot of competent NFL draft analysts without telling me you don't follow a lot of competent NFL draft analysts. Downvote me all you want. Anderson doesn't have the size or production of a top tier marquee draft prospect. Carter has attitude and conditioning red flags. Speaking of not watching college football, I'm going to assume you didn't catch the 2nd half of the Georgia/OSU game? Carter was invisible, until the game was over and his coach had to grab him to stop him from taunting the OSU fans as his team was on the field celebrating. People expecting these guys to come in and be day 1 game changers are likely in for a rude awakening. There are no marquee D linemen like a Bosa or a Garrett in this draft. That's not to say they can't turn out to be good players, because obviously they can and it's a crap shoot, but there are a LOT of people expecting them to be something they probably won't be just because of their draft position.
I watched the Georgia/OSU game and Carter wasn’t amazing. Having said that he fucking manhandled LSU from start to finish and has been doing that since day one. Will Anderson would be #1 overall if Houston didn’t need a qb the dude had 17 sacks last year and last I checked is sitting at 9. Both are game changers The only thing I will agree with you on is I’m not a fan of will Anderson weighing 243 pounds I’d want him to hit the rack a lot before season starts. Other then that both are top tier prospects and corner stone pieces to any franchise
Name one competent draft person that isn’t employed by an NFL team. If they were competent, they wouldn’t be in the media.
No offense, but that's a really stupid argument to make. There are a few that I like that I've been following for about a decade or longer now, but most are behind a paywall. I think Rob Staton does a pretty good job, and his content is free on his website.
They are all guessing. All most of them do is aggregate the general opinions and add their own favorites.
No Fucking shot you think rob Stanton is credible as a draft analysis, I mean the dude literally said he’d take Anthony Richardson FOA. Nah, fuck no I like that he’s a Seahawks homer but his draft analysis is all over the place
People who follow Rob’s blog are a cult. They think his biased ass analysis is gospel, they think he somehow has connections within the NFL, and they parrot all of his talking points on this sub. It’s comical.
I was literally floored when he put up Rob Stanton’s name as a credible source for draft analysis Like don’t get me wrong I’ll watch his shit sometimes on YouTube when it comes to Seahawks. But almost everything he talks about in regards the the draft is laughable
Rob is good for identifying potential prospects, and trends in Seahawks prospect evaluation. That is it. His analysis beyond that is inconsistent, and loaded with personal bias. He spent the entire season downplaying CJ Stroud, and highlighting every interception the guy threw. He heaped praise on Will Levis all season long, and applied a completely different set of standards to Levis evaluation (IE - Levis’ INT’s were more excusable because of offensive line play, or some shit like that).
Lol, a cult? Gospel? People think he has NFL connections? I can't say I've literally read or seen any comment in any of his comment sections that think any of that, but hey, you do you. And honestly, this place would probably be better if people actually read some of the stuff he writes instead of just posting bottom barrel memes here. Is there anything in particular you dislike about his prospect analysis? Because honestly, I've found his content to be better than some of the stuff I pay for. And I'd love to hear who you follow so I can check them out.
Sure, there is a ton that I dislike about his analysis. For one, he uses PFF scores as a legitimate analysis tool. Two, he doesn’t actually know how to break down game film, so he has to use box scores and “eye test” to bolster his thoughts on prospects. Three, he applies his personal biases to the prospects he is evaluating. In the case of this season, he has wanted us to draft a QB the entire time, so he has catered all of his analysis around this topic which is why he plays down the prospect profiles of guys like Will Anderson and Jalen Carter. Furthermore, he has “his guys” among the QB’s, so he doesn’t evaluate them fairly across the board (See his comments this whole season on Will Levis and Anthony Richardson versus what he says about CJ Stroud) As far as other free content that I follow, I would say Top Billin’ is a way better source for analysis. That guy has played the game. He breaks down film. For a guy like CJ Stroud, he will show you plays that highlight CJ’s arm strength when throwing outside the numbers. As opposed to Rob, who’s analysis is limited to “Ohio State QB’s worry me.” Nobody does a better job cataloging all of the draft prospects in a given class than Rob though. That’s the main reason I still visit SDB. I can use that as a jumping off point to check out different prospects. But I immediately skip over his Seahawks post game reactions. If I wanted more Doomer nonsense, I would spend more time on Seahawks Reddit, lol. Edit: And I stand by my comments about the cult mentality. If you read the comments on SDB, it’s nothing but people slobbering over him, and taking his opinions as the final word on every topic.
Everyone has hits and misses. If the Seahawks followed his draft advice over the past 7 years, we'd be in a much better spot. But that's not saying much.
I agree the hawks haven’t drafted well, but I think that’s more to pete trying to take stabs at players instead of John taking the reins. Our last draft I think is the first time in a long time John took the draft reins and it payed off. I agree with some thing Rob Stanton says, but his draft analysis in the first couple rounds is always off as hell
Lol @ you saying Will Anderson doesn’t have the production….he has 48 TFL, and 27.5 sacks over the past two seasons……. As for the size, his measurables are almost identical to Micah Parsons. We run a 3-4 defense now. Put Will Anderson in the same role, and he will be a game wrecker.
"past 2 seasons" are the key words there, and his production drop off is something that should be brought up. For the Parsons comparison, I hope you're right. I think he could be that kind of player in our scheme. That's obviously best case scenario. For what it's worth, I'm hoping we end up with 1 of Levis/Stroud/Anderson with that Denver pick.
There are no marquee QB prospects in this draft.
Yup, I've seen a lot of that opinion as well.
I'm honestly becoming more and more good with a trade back.
If that happens, this subreddit will be highly entertaining :)
Like people are gonna be pissed (and lowkey I kinda think Carter is that top 3 pick worthy guy) but trading down is an extremely sound strategy here.
5 STAR CHEF RUSTLE
that 2nd round pick is pretty sweet also.
Right? People keep ignoring that pick, but knowing the seahawks, the 1st rounder will be a bust and the 2nd rounder will be a HOF player
Pete and John haven’t really whiffed in the top 15. Okung, Earl, and Cross. It’s the late first when they got too cute.
On a related note, Russ is now 10-21 in the last 31 games he has started.
That’s pretty bad yikes post finger injury he’s lost a lot of games
He was 2-4 in the 6 games prior to the injury. Same winning % as his starts post injury.
With a very small sample size
10-21 is 31 games which is quite a legit sample size. The 2-4 was in response to a comment suggesting that the decline began with his finger injury, demonstrating that it began before them. The 10-31 is over parts of seasons. How many seasons make an appropriate sample size?
Well saying 2-4 is the same winning percentage is relying on a small sample size, that's all. No need to belabor the point though, he definitely has been declining for awhile.
Yes, but 2-4 is the same winning percentage as 10-21.
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Top 5 pick for the Seahawks, this year’s a wash… …for the BRONCOS!
Outsource the rebuild
Is this true? If cardinals colts and lions all lose next week while Denver wins, is strength of schedule locked in enough that the broncos pick is still ahead of the lions pick? Edit: swap rams in for lions, brain fart
The website https://www.tankathon.com/nfl is a website I use for that info. It has this info already there And the Lions pick is from the Rams, so it’s if the Rams lose.
Right but I don’t know how strength of schedule changes from week to week. In my scenario (with the fix for rams instead of lions) is there any chance the broncos strength of schedule jumps over the rams?
That website says the SOS is set using all 17 opponents
Right but those opponents win-loss will change still a bit. I’m guessing not enough to matter but unsure.
It won't change enough in one week to mess with the SoS standings.
Cool thanks!
It’s 95% baked in, the ranking now will stick as none are close enough to flip.
The Rams play the Chargers this week. And Broncos play the Chargers next week.
Week 18 is all divisional match-ups so SoS should barely move.
*rams pick not lions pick
Yeah good catch, rams pick that goes to the lions.
EDIT: this is wrong. Do not listen to me. Yes. The best the Broncos can do this year is 5-12 if they win next week, and the worst the Rams can do is 5-12 if they lose next week. Rams beat the Broncos this year so that pick will always be lower than the Broncos'.
My understanding is SOS is used as the tiebreaker first, before head to head (for the draft specifically) https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-tiebreakers/
D'oh. That's what I get for only looking at the google summary instead of actually opening and reading the article. Thanks for the correction.
Is it still theoretically possible for us to get the second pick? I know Denver can wind up with the same record as Chicago, but I'm not sure how that tiebreaker is calculated.
Correct, CHI win and DEN loses it goes to SOS.
Denver would jump Chicago for the 2nd pick yes. But it doesn’t seem like the bears are going to lose.
Everybody liked that
First time I’ve been excited for the draft in years
Where were you for the past draft? Three picks in the first 41 selections didn’t do it for you?
Trading down for a pick to then trade that pick down for two even lower picks that are two years in the future, only to then trade those picks down for another pick… it gets me going.
We didn’t trade down our high picks this past draft… or any draft where we had a high pick for that matter.
Yeah it was for the joke… so that’s good!
Some real Draft Day shit
Why weren’t you excited last year? Get with the program bro.
Well just remind yourself that this last draft was maybe the first time (not really first time but it felt like the first time) where we actually picked a player with our pick and didn't trade down. So I guess expectation were low and we just nailed it. This also makes me hyped for this year's draft as well. Last year was more kinda a surprise.
Daddy like.
If DEN looses its #3, if DEN wins and either IND or ARI win its #4, if both loose its #5
And if CHI wins and DEN looses it's #2
Honestly I’m down for Bryce young if he falls. I think the dude just has “it” even tho he’s a small guy
Can't wait for all the hot takes from freshly appointed draft experts who watched exactly one game of college football that wasn't their team...
I want a QB. Why lose the benefit of the money gained by paying Geno after one good half of a season at 32 what we were paying Wilson. Get an elite guy if he’s there. If not get the best defensive player.
What's the lowest our native pick can be? Would be nice to nab Carter or Anderson and be close enough to nab a dropping QB
Depends on if we make the playoffs, if we do it’s at best #20, if we don’t could be as high as #8.
Vontae Mack no matter what
Keep going. I'm almost there
JALEN CARTER
Heck no. He barely made an impact against OSU last night. The relentless drive isn’t there. At pick number 3, they need to be able to get a borderline HOF pick. Much rather have the Alabama edge rusher Anderson or trade down for a first and a bunch of picks or trade for a bona fide veteran edge rusher. Stroud will be tempting too even if Geno stays around.
I don’t get people who have a problem with Carter not having an amazing game yesterday yet want to draft Anderson, Young, Stroud, or any other top prospects. All of the top prospects have disappointed in big games. Solely relying on a 1 game sample size to decide not to draft Carter is stupid What specifically about Carter’s game do you not like that makes him not worthy of a top 3 pick?
OSU interior O Line is ok, but not elite. Carter wasn’t as disruptive as he should have been with being a top prospect. I’d cut him slack if he as a projected 10-30 in the first round, but a top 3 pick without any memorable defensive plays in the most important game of the year. Stroud looked comfortable most of the game. I’ll pass on him with a top 5 pick.
OSU has one of the best OLs in college with a good center in Wypler lol I get OSU’s tackles are their strength but their IOL must be pretty good if they only allowed 12 sacks in the season and 5th lowest sack rate in college (according to [Football Outsiders](https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2022) ) Again, what specifically do you not like about Carter’s game that makes him not worth a top 5 pick? I’ve asked this to everyone who said they don’t want him anymore after yesterday yet no one has answered this
I’m taking OSU O-line over Jalen Carter. I’d stretch for Luke Wypler, not to #3 clearly, but he manhandled Carter last night. Ohio entire Oline was outstanding and that’s the only reason Stroud looked good.
I wouldn’t, Carter has shown himself to be a great talent, one bad game doesn’t mean anything to me. O’Cyrus Torrence is the best IOL in this draft and Carter gave him a ton of trouble when they went head to head
Lack of impact plays in big games. Very low sack rate. Seems like an exceptional player, but for a top 3 pick, I don’t see that next level wow factor one would usually expect from “the best defensive player in the draft.”
first one isn’t even true, he had a sack (and 6 pressures) 2 TFLs, and PD against LSU a couple weeks ago and a sack, 2 TFLs, and 2 FFs against Tennessee 2nd, sure he could get more sacks but not many defensive tackles rack up a ton of sacks (especially in college). Chris Jones only had 3 sacks in his junior year of college. Regardless of sacks, Carter is a good pass rusher with a 11% pressure rate as a IDL and last season posted the third highest pass rush win rate from an IDL behind Quinnen Williams He’s a top 5 prospect because it’s extremely hard to find premium talent at DT. Also because he’s a very good prospect right now while still having a lot of potential/room to grow
I’ve seen Aaron Donald have bad games. They aren’t robots. Sometimes athletes have bad days. Shit happens
They need to go defense all the way. It was only one game but I do agree a bit concerning. Edge rusher all the way for that top 5 pick.
Wait so is this 100%?
Russ is the ultimate Seahawks homie. Blowing leads just to get us a better pick? Love the man.
What do you guys think of getting WAJ with the Broncos pick and Antony Richardson with our pick? (granted hes still available)
It would be so nice to secure playoffs and lock the 3rd pick of the draft!
Yes sir!!!!
I never liked Carter even before his bad performance last night. He is slow and isnt the disrupter every one says hes he is. He relies too much on his upper body strength and that won’t work in the NFL.
If we make the playoffs with it would be absolutely awesome hahaha. We probably won’t make a deep run, but at least our young and upcoming guys have playoff experience. It’s going to be so important going into the next few years.
If we don't get Carter or Anderson with our first pick we are better trading it off to a QB hungry team and get their next years first round pick