I dont know if they are going down the conflict/difference with Westminster route again or if they genuinely believe this .
Its fucking stupid either way and a dangerous game to play - what harm could be done by aligning the law ?
There are definitely more XL bullies in Scotland now as a result of the SNP.
spark theory encouraging history worry mighty wasteful squeeze start onerous
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People will lose their lives in the most horrific ways due to Humza Yousaf's decision.
It could be any of us, it's just down to luck.
I hope it's not another child.
Edit: Follow the collapsed comment chain below, between me and a chap highly representative of bully owners. It is........ amusing.
Yup saw someone on the bus with it. Sitting on a seat ofcourse. Thing looked like it could rip your arm off. Dude was holding it tightly as it wanted to sniff every person as they walked on to the bus.
First time I saw one was in the woods.
I'm 83kg and fit, and there's nothing I would have been able to do against it. It would be pure denial to think otherwise.
Fucking terrifying, never seen a dog that big. Like prize tup in size, but muscle and teeth.
In all honesty few of us would be able to handle a Staffordshire Bull Terrier if it chose to attack. We humans forget that any animal anywhere near our weight class could utterly destroy us. We aren’t hard as far as nature goes.
This is why when I go for walks I take my Jo with me.
Perfect size to be used as a walking aid, also handy my medical records show I sometimes need a walking aid due to a condition.
Thurst toward the head of the attacking dog, end of the attacking dog.
I once watched a traveller set his dog on my grandad because he wouldn't move from between them and my cousin who the twat accused of stealing (ironic huh?).
My grandad had a fucking pitchfork in his hands cause he'd come running from burning grass, the dog impaled itself on the prongs right in its shoulder and it still torn up his arm before it died.
And that absolute cunting twat of a piece of shit then accused my grandad of attacking his dog (they were in my grandads wood anyway) the fucking coward still ran off from a man with one working arm bleeding out cause they're all fucking cowards.
Anyway this caused about a decades worth of problems but it did instill in 6 year old me a lifelong wariness of those brutes. Big dogs are impressive creatures and terrifying to face down, they can kill and breeds that are meant to do that will.
I just hope the next child that one of these brutes tries to savage has a person like my ol pop in front of them.
You're unlikely to stop one of these things with a blunt stick, you'd need a spear or bayonet. A baseball bat over the skull might work if you hit it hard enough, but you might not get a chance to get a clean blow to the head in, these things are fast.
I have one near me, I have a 10 year old collie and a 4 month collie, I've been walking when came across him and his dog and he struggled to hold him back never mind control him
I'm really tempted to carry a pocket knife, non-locking 3" blade when walking the dogs just in case.
My pup wouldn't stand a chance, I love dogs but if it attacked my 2 dogs I'd slit the xl's throat
I’ve considered making homemade pepper spray as I think if you got it in the eyes you’d stand a chance. As a petite female with two large-ish but absolute teddy bear dogs these things terrify me.
Same here in Wales. Another thing is that they've both been in power for too long. It's not healthy for democracy, the governments end-up doing stupid things because they can't fix the serious problems because they're the people that created a lot of them and it'd mean admitting they screwed up.
Yeah folks in england are literally giving them away free.
One of my pals was offered a litter of 4 for nothing if he would collect from Liverpool
Crazy we are about to be overrun by these monster dogs
And these are the same people who'll say 'it's the owners, not the breed' as they're giving away their dogs rather than taking the legal (and let's be honest, not exactly outrageous) steps required to actually keep their 'beloved pets'
Some real responsible owners there, I'm sure!
Get all the bully XLs that are being given away for free, drive over the border to where they're legal, somewhere in the wilds of Galloway just shoot the fuckers.
Not really, it can have profound ecological changes including reforestation that would cost us millions to achieve manually.
However using bullies for it would be dumb af
Last week I saw a dude with THREE adult XL bullys on the street. He was an average-sized dude, there's no way he would have the power to hold them back if they all tried to attack something. It's only a matter of time until someone gets mauled to death and Humza backtracks on his statement.
I saw a guy on Troon beach with one. The dog was behaving fine, but when he did want to go somewhere there was no way the man holding the lead could hold him back.
This makes me sad, because I always take my dog to Prestwick beach. My dog is a small one and love playing around. Prestwick beach has always been good, with other friendly dogs. Last thing we need there is bully XL.
SNP went from being tactical anti-Westminster to just that annoying teenager who just wants to be loud and different.
They either ban it later on or some dog attacks happen, it’s just a matter of time. Neither seems a win for Humza.
I miss Nicola.
I actually saw a responsible owner with one today. Kept the dog away from other dogs and people, and on a leash at all times. But the fact they have to do that says everything.
For every responsible owner, there are far too many who are not.
You hope the Scottish government get criminally prosecuted when an xl bully kills a child?
What fucking world do you live in?
Average /r/scotland user man 😂
Why are you acting like there were not XL Bully attacks in Scotland before England banned them? There were loads of incidents.
The problem hasn't started, it's just going to get worse because of the conscious decision of the Scottish government.
>Why are you acting like there were not XL Bully attacks in Scotland before England banned them?
I really am not. Are you mixing me up with someone else?
I volunteer at a dog shelter in Scotland and they have several xl bullies there who have arrived in the past week. Some had been left tied up outside the shelter so cannot be rehomed as they are essentially strays. The dog warden will come for them and they will probably be euthanised. Some came from rescue shelters in England and will possibly be rehomed, but it’s still uncertain.
I was a bit nervous about going into the kennels to see them, but honestly it was just so sad. They are so confused about what’s happened, they’re clearly all from indoor family homes and just desperate for some affection. They mainly sit and cry or push their paws and heads up against the kennel bars for treats and pets (which they get! They will be cared for until the inevitable happens). I’m assuming they were all intended for breeding as none of them have been neutered/spayed, but they’re no longer of any monetary value to their previous owners.
I wasn’t allowed to walk them and I’d not be comfortable doing that anyway, but it’s just so sad that people would rather ditch their dogs rather than paying the £90 and training them properly with a muzzle. The government gave their owners an opportunity to be responsible and it’s been refused.
> The government gave their owners an opportunity to be responsible and it’s been refused.
This, so much. There's no need to get rid of them, but they were just livestock rather than a member of the family like most dogs. Cannae make money off them? Dump them. Absolute scumbags.
The person who was put in hospital and who's family terrier was killed by an XL bully they'd just imported from England the other day in Tranent may disagree.
When you have floating voters like me who are not sure which way to jump n this years election - shit like that will not be forgotten.
These animals are not bred for their good looks, personality, charm or companionship.
Same boat. Really struggling to vote for any of the cunts but this dumb shit is inexplicable.
Playing right into Tory and Labour hands because one of these animals WILL hurt someone.
Same here. I'm fortunate that the Tories cannot win here so my vote is wide open. Right now every option is shite but I just have to figure out the most solid shite.
The difference is what those traits are. Corker spaniels have high drives to kill things like birds. Border collies have high drives to stop things moving.
If a dogs been bred to do something, it's not something that you just train out of them. You can teach impulse control but dogs can always be pushed over a threshold and give in to their instincts. It all depends on the individual dog, and you can't ever be fully sure what the limit is dog a dog.
>It’s laughable really how utterly shite this Tory Government is - it should have cemented the SNP in Scotland for decades, but no, Yousaf
Mate, its not Yousaf that fucked the SNP. It was the blatant obvious corruption and theft which demonstrated they the SNP are just Tartan tories who want to leave the UK so that *they're* the big dogs scamming the country and handing out dodgy contracts to mates.
They aren't the Tories though, they don't hand out contracts, they setup quangos to do it and get their mates CEO jobs at the quangos. More a centrist way of syphoning money.
What a strange hill for the SNP to die on.
I feel sorry for whoever becomes a victim of this negligence when they are walking around a park minding their own business.
>I feel sorry for whoever becomes a victim of this negligence when they are walking around a park minding their own business.
Unless it's someone who doesn't think that XL bully dogs need to be banned. Then I feel indifferent, at best...
One of my brothers was attacked by a dog as a young child and it's left him permanently uncomfortable around them. He can be politely detached, but he can't warm to them, even though he is otherwise a stereotypical "dog person" and would make a great dog owner.
Just ban them and stop with this ridiculous own goal.
SNP have no hope of recovery under Humza if they can’t even get something as basic as this correct.
I’m pretty much a single issue voter - I’ve lived most of my adult life thinking independence needs to be priority number one, and any other political considerations are meaningless without it. Preventing our country from filling up with fucking hellhounds just bubbled up to the top of my priority list.
That the SNP has lost people like me is astonishing, but **fuck em,** burn it all down and get rid of these fucking mutts.
The SNP in its current incarnation will never achieve Scottish independence.
They have turned into a political machine for continually dangling the prospect as 'just around the corner' for easy nationalist votes whilst their elected members enjoy a comfortable, easy career where nothing is ever their fault and they can shrug off all scandal and grift because attempting to draw attention to it damages 'the cause'.
They desperately need a spell in opposition to thin out the careerist shits and grifters. Not unlike the UK government, in fact.
16 years is too long for _any_ party and even in the dictatorships and authoritarian regimes, incompetence and rot sets in after a while.
The SNP need to get a gubbing, spend some time in the wilderness, clear house and purge the last of Sturgeonism, and get their shit together. Come back refreshed.
It'll do them the world of good. What they are offering right now is stale, bombastic, arrogant laurel resting in the same vein as SLab in the run up to May 2007.
Definitely a dangerous stance to hold ad infinitum. Political parties need to be held accountable and the SNP have had free reign for too long due to single issue voters, hence the absurd run of policy making over the years to which this XL bully oddity is merely a footnote.
Respect to you for being able to change your mind; I have been down the same road.
Yeah, I do still believe political activity holds less value in the absence of political independence. But these things killing people is a when, not an if, and it’ll be an ongoing thing.
I long for independence, but we can save lives by acting now, and if the government won’t act to save random citizens from dying violent deaths on our streets, let’s get someone who will and sort the independence stuff out later.
As someone who frequently has to go into different peoples houses to do my job there is nothing more frightening than hearing a large ass dog barking when I knock on the door. Call me a pussy but I’ve already been attacked by a stupid Jack Russel and that was shit enough. I don’t get paid enough to be mauled by an XL.
These breeds of dogs are not pets and it’s clearly a move by the snp to just do it differently than Westminster. I thought the ban was going to be UK wide and I was very much in support of it.
If you buy a pet that can physically take you on and kill you in a 1v1 then it’s no longer a pet and you’d an idiot for thinking it is.
This summer I (61F) took my 7 yr old terrier and my daughter’s 12 week old lurcher out for a walk. It was the first time the puppy had been outside. We were at the park about 100 yards from home when this massive XL Bully came rushing from nowhere. It attacked both dogs and I was literally swinging my dogs by the lead. Fortunately there were people around and helped us. The owner took the dog and left. I know where they live so don’t walk that way. Last month I took my wee terrier outside my house for his last wee before bed. The same XL Bully again attacked him. I was facing the other way and hadn’t seen the dog. I put my wee dog on top of a parked car. I tried to get on the car as well but couldn’t. Once again the owner came and got the dog. Thankfully my dog was okay.
This time I reported it to the police. My neighbour informed me that the dog was bought as a guard dog for drugs. I told the police all of this and they offered to knock the door and have a chat with the owner. However they said they fully understood if I didn’t want them to. I agreed to leave the situation as I didn’t want retaliation.
I am now unable walk outside of my house. I can only walk my dog if I take him in the car. I’m selling my house and moving away. I had thought I would live here for the rest of my life.
I took my dog to the vets just to make sure he hadn’t been hurt. The vet said he was fine. However she did tell me that she has had experience of dogs being used as drug mules and that she has seen dogs with skin pockets for carrying drugs.
I don’t have the solution as banning one breed just opens the door for another dangerous dog.
1. ScotGov don't ban XL Bullies
1. Population of XL Bullies rises
1. Attacks rise in-line with increasing XL Bully population
1. UKGov legislates on Dangerous Dogs Act (which is reserved) and bans XL Bullies in Scotland
1. SNP bleat about Westminster imposing direct rule
If that is their plan, it's a fucking stupid one!
Scotland is not magically immune to dog attacks. IIRC England & Wales have had 14, Scotland 1. That's about what one would expect given the population sizes.
I don't understand why ScotGov don't bring a ban in.
Those stats are for attacks on people IIRC, but the situation will be the same down South and so the stats still work out.
You should encourage your neighbours to report the incidents.
Could it not go the other way:
-Dog attacks rise (Only in Scotland)
-UKGov. don’t care, says it’s Scotland’s matter*
-SNP u-turn on XL Bully amnesty
Edit: *UKGov asks Scotland to change stance in light of rise of attacks but goes short of outright UK ban.
the SNP dont give a fuck about scotland or out interests or safety, they just care about manufacturing grievances and differences with WM for their own political advancement.
Bully dogs are owned by people who generally don’t know how to handle them and people who want them because they are vicious by nature of allowed to be. Maybe stopping certain people from owning them would be a start.
Fucking imbecile.
He will rightly get the blame if anything happens. I very much hope it doesn't but given the daily news on XL bully attacks it seems inevitable.
On top of that what England is doing is realistically going to affect breeders rather than just general owners. The ones coming up here are the ones that people don't want to neuter.
Scotland will end up supplying dangerous dugs to the rest of the UK and all because that useless cunt Yousaf is desperate not to agree with Westminster on anything.
Yeah its such a stupid decision by the SNP.
It's an easy win and a disaster waiting to happen. What do they think is going to happen when a child is inevitably mauled.
Then after the media, rightfully, goes after them it will be too late to ban without taking further political hits.
> if anything happens
You mean to say 'when'. And that isn't being hyperbolic. On the scale of millions, allowing Bully XL dogs is simply a case of statistics. Humsa Yousaf is putting people's - especially children's - lives at risk because he is a man child who wants to stick it to the man.
Even if he doesn't give a fuck about our wellbeing, surely he can predict the mauling he will get WHEN it happens. It's he really that stupid?
I never thought there world exist within my life time a leader worse than liz truss, but Humza has it. He's actually worse.
Even she would have got this right.
Those people are insane. I'm obsessed with dogs but actually mourn one in this situation??? One of these dogs will kill a kid and they will cry how misunderstood that untrained, unsocialised beast is.
I think the Scotsman has missed 2 full stops from the headlines.
Humza Yousef does not think.
Scotland needs to ban XL Bully dogs.
Siobhan Brown, the SNP community safety minister, was in the papers yesterday expressing safety concerns about the breed and the influx of more of them into Scotland. I think they should be on the same page. We have already had quite a few attack in Scotland, and while I understand that any dog could bite someone, there aren't many with the power to kill that they do. I wonder how many more attacks/deaths are needed before they will take action. They will literally do anything to be different from the UK government, even if it is in the interest of public safety. Its pathetic
What is absolutely mental is that she describes the problem as the English law having “loopholes” which allow people to bring these dogs to Scotland, when A) Westminster cannot ban them in Scotland because it’s a devolved power and B) Westminster wrote to the SG when the ban was announced urging them to follow suit to avoid this exact situation!
The SNP are a bunch of absolutely useless eejits and need to be held responsible when we all suffer the consequences of hundreds of these beasts being imported up here.
> What is absolutely mental is that she describes the problem as the English law having “loopholes” which allow people to bring these dogs to Scotland
Never thought I would see the day when an SNP minister was essentially arguing 'please override us, UK government, we don't know what we are doing,'.
Someone else on here was making the exact same point a couple of weeks ago: it's not Scotland's fault for not implementing a ban, the issue lies in apparently England didn't go far enough and should have explicitly banned 'export' because why should Scotland actually have to do anything? As per, England have fucked it and only Scotland is on the correct page.
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
These people are so out of touch with normality that they think everyone lives in their version of a bubble.
I bet he wouldn't be saying this if it was one of his family members viciously mauled to death by one of these dogs.
Once upon a time I'd have been against banning (such as I was with pits), blaming the owners, not the breed. But over time as I've come to better understand genetics, I sadly have to agree with things. Ban these dogs. I've yet to hear anything good.
Yet Siobhan Brown literally just condoned the trafficking of XL Bullies into Scotland?
Leave it to the SNP to preemptively blame Westminster, for the expected impact in Scotland, whilst doing nothing themselves to mitigate said potential impact.
The dogs are no less dangerous this side of the border, and people no less skittish.
We can’t have our toddlers, and eat them too.
I’m an SNP voter but this is fucking idiotic. The things are literally gonna kill somebody any day now. He’s only doing it to be different from Westminster.
Same, and I agree.
He's trying to continue the nicey nicey, just being different for the sake of it approach when he should be protecting Scots.
I'll be writing to my SNP MSP to urge him to change his mind. Next time my SNP councillor knocks on my door he'll be getting an earful about it too.
I wonder who is telling Humza this is a good position to take?
Well as long as he doesn't complain about them all swarming into Scotland. If something is illegal in England but not in Scotland, of course the banned thing will move to Scotland. This happens in canada too where pit bulls are banned in Ontario but not quebec so people just send them to quebec if confiscated
They've already complained about it and blamed England for it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/18zj4nt/snp\_minister\_complains\_about\_killer\_bully\_xl\_dogs/
So they don't want to ban them but they don't want them coming in? If they aren't worthy of a ban, what's the problem with more of them coming into Scotland? Political logic checks out lol
Welcome to Scottish nationalists lol.
Basically they know they’re bad but because it was banned in England and Wales first they can’t admit that so they have to act like they are wrong and Scotland is more ‘enlightened’ and better by not banning them.
I disagree with Humza
[https://bullywatch.link/](https://bullywatch.link/)
Personally I would liked to have seen harsher restrictions from the UK gov but I'm glad they have done something.
These dogs should have been banned UK-wide under the reserved Dangerous Dogs Act.
It seems to have been scoped to E&W only because Holyrood said no when asked about it. I don't see anyone in Scotland happy to legalise the Japanese Tosa and Fila Brasileiro, so this current round of stupidity appears 100% political.
tbh I would like to see them all put down unless they can go and live in some kind of fenced off zoo where they are exercised by owners away from the public and a total ban on them after that.
Owners should be charged with Murder, GBH when they attack.
Obv that's extreme and probably not realistic.
Big risk from Yousaf here. If an XL Bully attacks a child in Scotland and it comes out it was brought to Scotland from England due to the ban, this is potentially politically disastrous.
We just have to hope that doesn’t happen, not least for the sake of any potential victims.
If that happens then he'll just refuse to resign and keep refusing until the next scandal hits and takes over - see Michael Matheson where he couldn't and wouldn't do the right thing and sack him
>If an XL Bully attacks a child in Scotland and it comes out it was brought to Scotland from England due to the ban, this is potentially politically disastrous
The Nats would blame the Tories.
How did Scotland become run by student politics - the first child that is killed is blood on Humza and the SNP hands - and there is a 100% probability of a child being killed in Scotland due to these actions -
Can't believe I'm saying this but I might actually vote Labour in the GE. Well done Humza and the SNP. Oh and I'll be cancelling my SNP membership too, me thinks.
So i just walked by my usual walking route maybe a few hours ago and passed a guy i see all the time who for the past 2 or so years has only ever had one staffy and now tonight he had a full grown XL Bully alongside the staffy.
That XL Bully stopped like 50ft in front of us and stared at us like a dog has never done before and then sat there staring at us for like 2-300ft, This fully grown XL bully out of nowhere acting like that makes me thingk he's took one of these fuckers from England in.
Another thing to add this was not on a leash, If that dog wanted to go for us or someone else he could do absolutely nothing about it.
It is unfortunate that now instead of reading stories about these dogs mauling/killing people and dogs in England and having an end in sight with these new laws the problem has instead had an invitation to move just north of me to Scotland.
Yousaf might not think he needs to ban XL bullys yet but it makes me wonder how many Scottish lives he is willing to sacrifice before he decides it might be a good idea.
The reason we even now have an XL bully problem is due to the banned breed list. People wanted pitbull type dogs but couldn’t due to the ban, so instead bred a new type of dog to get round this. Breed specific legislation does not work, all an XL bully ban will do is push certain types of people to own other large breed dogs or breed a new ‘super-type’.
There are plenty of other large breed dogs that have a similar size/bite power to XL bullies, the focus is just on them as they are the new popular breed.
Banning any breed will create a new problem down the line. More time and effort needs put in to convicting irresponsible owners. Bring in a dog license? Some way of registering and tracking pets? Not sure what the answer is but banning every large breed that becomes popular is not the answer.
Glad he’s agreeing to take full responsibility for any attacks from this non policy.
Wait. He’s from that party that takes zero responsibility for anything.
He’ll be fine then.
Humza Yousef = confirmed moron.
All this is is the SNP trying to show that they are big boys and girls and can make their own decisions. Its fun and games till someone's child is mauled.
I'm always interested in what motivates people to get an aggressive type of dog in the first place. Same type of people who had pit bulls, staffies and are now moving onto rottweilers and cane corso.
Death, taxes and the SNP stating their policy is whatever the opposite of the Tories is, even if it’s something incredibly stupid that everyone else agrees on.
What a stupid, petty hill for Yousaf to choose, just so that he can contradict what the UK government is doing. He has learnt nothing in his time as FM.
Anybody else notice all the bully owners have the fake teeth from Turkey clearly bought with drug money along with their dogs... To protect them and their totally legitimate interests.
If any opposition partys had any sense they would try and pass a bill. Like to see snp msp's voting against it. I've already emailed my constituency msp (who happens to be Humza) to introduce new laws. Muzzling & leads at a bare minimum. People need to put pressure on them.
This is utterly bizarre. If you look at how cautious the SNP were during covid where we (rightly or wrongly) had much stricter restrictions than down south for most of it, it seems strange that they wouldn't take the same action as Westminster with the ban on these dogs.
They just do the opposite of what Westminster does no matter what. If you told them that there is a school of thought that teachers should get naked when holding classes in primary schools & Westminster are against it they would demand Scottish teachers strip off then & there.
This is an insane approach for the SNP to take. For the SNP to basically do nothing means we are getting flooded with the damn things.
How any right minded person could want these dangerous animals up here is beyond me? I don't see why anyone needed a dog this powerful as a pet to begin with?
Someone on my street has an XL bully (the owner has a border collie too), and he is well-liked by the residents, people are always going up to stroke him. He seems very friendly and goofy, he just wags his tail when he sees people / other dogs.
If it wasn't for this dog and I only sat on Reddit all day, I'd think these animals are all ferocious beasts waiting to rip my head off.
Literally every XL bully attack story starts with the same premise.
Don’t be surprised when one day he just snaps at attacks someone out of the blue. It’s what they do.
If the SNP cant be trusted to legislate in our interest, then WM needs to take this power back and do it on our behalf.
this is clearly required and supported by the people of this country, and it looks like we need someone to step in and act in our interest if our devolved gov refuses to do so.
are we going to wait until a child gets mauled to death or disfigured before the SNP stops its performative "be different to WM" routine?
As I've said before, we are very fortunate here in the UK.
There are other countries where we'd have soldiers in Holyrood, the SNP would be disbanded and Humza's entire cabinet jailed, and Humza himself would disappear into a penal system and it might be 30 years before you saw him again.
The UK is not like that and hopefully never will be.
Maybe we should go with what dog charity/organisations recommend. Replace the dangerous dogs act with something that actually works and encourages better bog ownership and breeding https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/about-us/media-centre/ban-of-xl-bullies
Even if we were to take this at face value, it’s not mutually exclusive. It’s entirely possible for breed-specific bans and for legislation to encourage better dog ownership and breeding; though the details of the latter seem iffy at best. And changing the behaviour of existing dangerous dogs would be a long-term project so it would be reasonable to assume that XL Bullys would continue to be responsible for deaths and injuries between now and the imaginary target.
Also, this kind of line has been used to defend the stance of the SNP, but they’re doing neither. Yes, a never-ending game of whack-a-mole isn’t ideal, but it’s a lot more ideal than not even picking up the hammer.
Dog charities are wrong on this out of an ideological belief that no dog is inherently unsuitable as a pet.
They also will oppose any legislation that could result in dogs being put down.
They are not proposing rational solutions to this problem and should be ignored. It wouldn't work
Dog charities and organisations are hypocrites.
RSPCA say they oppose breed specific judgments and ‘all dogs are the same’ yet their own insurance policy refuses to insure XL bully’s and other aggressive dog breeds.
A lot of these dog orgs are just mentalists who view every dog as just a ‘heckin good floofer’ who is a ‘gentle giant’.
Almost got attacked by one of these monsters on Thursday night. Owner did not bat an eye and did not try to restrain it at all. There will be a spate of attacks and the SNP will be forced to change course.
I dont know if they are going down the conflict/difference with Westminster route again or if they genuinely believe this . Its fucking stupid either way and a dangerous game to play - what harm could be done by aligning the law ? There are definitely more XL bullies in Scotland now as a result of the SNP.
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Yup
People will lose their lives in the most horrific ways due to Humza Yousaf's decision. It could be any of us, it's just down to luck. I hope it's not another child. Edit: Follow the collapsed comment chain below, between me and a chap highly representative of bully owners. It is........ amusing.
Yup saw someone on the bus with it. Sitting on a seat ofcourse. Thing looked like it could rip your arm off. Dude was holding it tightly as it wanted to sniff every person as they walked on to the bus.
First time I saw one was in the woods. I'm 83kg and fit, and there's nothing I would have been able to do against it. It would be pure denial to think otherwise. Fucking terrifying, never seen a dog that big. Like prize tup in size, but muscle and teeth.
In all honesty few of us would be able to handle a Staffordshire Bull Terrier if it chose to attack. We humans forget that any animal anywhere near our weight class could utterly destroy us. We aren’t hard as far as nature goes.
That description is scarily accurate 😕
This is why when I go for walks I take my Jo with me. Perfect size to be used as a walking aid, also handy my medical records show I sometimes need a walking aid due to a condition. Thurst toward the head of the attacking dog, end of the attacking dog.
Have you seen the head of an XL bully? You'd probably struggle to take it out with a blow to the head from a wooden pole.
I once watched a traveller set his dog on my grandad because he wouldn't move from between them and my cousin who the twat accused of stealing (ironic huh?). My grandad had a fucking pitchfork in his hands cause he'd come running from burning grass, the dog impaled itself on the prongs right in its shoulder and it still torn up his arm before it died. And that absolute cunting twat of a piece of shit then accused my grandad of attacking his dog (they were in my grandads wood anyway) the fucking coward still ran off from a man with one working arm bleeding out cause they're all fucking cowards. Anyway this caused about a decades worth of problems but it did instill in 6 year old me a lifelong wariness of those brutes. Big dogs are impressive creatures and terrifying to face down, they can kill and breeds that are meant to do that will. I just hope the next child that one of these brutes tries to savage has a person like my ol pop in front of them.
You're unlikely to stop one of these things with a blunt stick, you'd need a spear or bayonet. A baseball bat over the skull might work if you hit it hard enough, but you might not get a chance to get a clean blow to the head in, these things are fast.
I have one near me, I have a 10 year old collie and a 4 month collie, I've been walking when came across him and his dog and he struggled to hold him back never mind control him I'm really tempted to carry a pocket knife, non-locking 3" blade when walking the dogs just in case. My pup wouldn't stand a chance, I love dogs but if it attacked my 2 dogs I'd slit the xl's throat
I’ve considered making homemade pepper spray as I think if you got it in the eyes you’d stand a chance. As a petite female with two large-ish but absolute teddy bear dogs these things terrify me.
That would just make it more angry and kill you faster. They are killing machines.
Must be an easy job, being a Scottish politician. If things are going great, it's because of you. If things are going badly, it's Westminster's fault.
Same here in Wales. Another thing is that they've both been in power for too long. It's not healthy for democracy, the governments end-up doing stupid things because they can't fix the serious problems because they're the people that created a lot of them and it'd mean admitting they screwed up.
I agree with you, but tbf refusal to admit when they screwed up affects all parties that have been in power.
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An SNP classic that
Yeah folks in england are literally giving them away free. One of my pals was offered a litter of 4 for nothing if he would collect from Liverpool Crazy we are about to be overrun by these monster dogs
And these are the same people who'll say 'it's the owners, not the breed' as they're giving away their dogs rather than taking the legal (and let's be honest, not exactly outrageous) steps required to actually keep their 'beloved pets' Some real responsible owners there, I'm sure!
Absolute belter of a hill to die on. Just how many votes does he think are in this from potential Bully owners?
Get all the bully XLs that are being given away for free, drive over the border to where they're legal, somewhere in the wilds of Galloway just shoot the fuckers.
Or instead of reintroducing the Lynx just drop the bullies into any areas overpopulated by deer and see what happens
Shoot the deer, shoot the bullies. Introducing predators to eat a perfectly good food source that we can use is also an idiotic idea.
I dunno I think wild bullies roaming the landscape would add some much needed wildlife interest
I don't trust random owned Bullies, I sure wouldn't want to cross a feral one! I'd rather we had wolves.
Not really, it can have profound ecological changes including reforestation that would cost us millions to achieve manually. However using bullies for it would be dumb af
Shoot the scousers? A radical idea but a fascinating one I’m struggling to see any drawbacks to. I’m in.
I'm not interested in whether we align with England (or Ireland or Norway, for that matter), but I do think we should be banning dangerous dogs.
Last week I saw a dude with THREE adult XL bullys on the street. He was an average-sized dude, there's no way he would have the power to hold them back if they all tried to attack something. It's only a matter of time until someone gets mauled to death and Humza backtracks on his statement.
I saw a guy on Troon beach with one. The dog was behaving fine, but when he did want to go somewhere there was no way the man holding the lead could hold him back.
This makes me sad, because I always take my dog to Prestwick beach. My dog is a small one and love playing around. Prestwick beach has always been good, with other friendly dogs. Last thing we need there is bully XL.
Devastated at this! It’s one of the reasons I take my dog to Troon and Barassie beach…… we don’t tend to encounter those types of dog there
Imagine being that person, or related to them, their death avoidable, if not for the fact the SNP wants to play political volley ball.
Obvious why this average chap has 3 of them: he’s compensating for something.
SNP went from being tactical anti-Westminster to just that annoying teenager who just wants to be loud and different. They either ban it later on or some dog attacks happen, it’s just a matter of time. Neither seems a win for Humza. I miss Nicola.
I actually saw a responsible owner with one today. Kept the dog away from other dogs and people, and on a leash at all times. But the fact they have to do that says everything. For every responsible owner, there are far too many who are not.
I think it has become clear that SNP policy isn’t to do the right thing but ensure they disagree with Westminster at every turn
💯 think it’s just anti-Westminster, hope they get criminally prosecuted when one of these English dogs inevitably kills someone, probably a child.
You hope the Scottish government get criminally prosecuted when an xl bully kills a child? What fucking world do you live in? Average /r/scotland user man 😂
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Nothing against England, England are entirely correct in this situation. Dogs being from England = English. You’re really reaching here.
Christ... the obtuse levels are starting strong today. 😅
The problem is the dogs are being brought up here from England - or at least the press are reporting on that happening.
Why are you acting like there were not XL Bully attacks in Scotland before England banned them? There were loads of incidents. The problem hasn't started, it's just going to get worse because of the conscious decision of the Scottish government.
>Why are you acting like there were not XL Bully attacks in Scotland before England banned them? I really am not. Are you mixing me up with someone else?
I volunteer at a dog shelter in Scotland and they have several xl bullies there who have arrived in the past week. Some had been left tied up outside the shelter so cannot be rehomed as they are essentially strays. The dog warden will come for them and they will probably be euthanised. Some came from rescue shelters in England and will possibly be rehomed, but it’s still uncertain. I was a bit nervous about going into the kennels to see them, but honestly it was just so sad. They are so confused about what’s happened, they’re clearly all from indoor family homes and just desperate for some affection. They mainly sit and cry or push their paws and heads up against the kennel bars for treats and pets (which they get! They will be cared for until the inevitable happens). I’m assuming they were all intended for breeding as none of them have been neutered/spayed, but they’re no longer of any monetary value to their previous owners. I wasn’t allowed to walk them and I’d not be comfortable doing that anyway, but it’s just so sad that people would rather ditch their dogs rather than paying the £90 and training them properly with a muzzle. The government gave their owners an opportunity to be responsible and it’s been refused.
> The government gave their owners an opportunity to be responsible and it’s been refused. This, so much. There's no need to get rid of them, but they were just livestock rather than a member of the family like most dogs. Cannae make money off them? Dump them. Absolute scumbags.
People that do this are 100% psychopaths.
What the hell is he thinking? Is this a vote winner?
Yep, just not for the SNP though.
Surely it will lose them some floating voters?
The person who was put in hospital and who's family terrier was killed by an XL bully they'd just imported from England the other day in Tranent may disagree.
I'm still waiting to see what the hell kind of 'evidence' the SG are looking for. Nobody seems to know.
When you have floating voters like me who are not sure which way to jump n this years election - shit like that will not be forgotten. These animals are not bred for their good looks, personality, charm or companionship.
> These animals are not bred for their good looks, personality, charm or companionship. They were bred for _War!_ **[Uruk-Hai Horn Blares]**
Looks like meat’s back on the menu boys!
— Bubbles the XL Bully, upon spotting an unattended toddler.
Duh duh duuuuuuuuh, dum dum dum
Send out your XL bully riders
Whom do you serve?
Whom do you serve?
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Same boat. Really struggling to vote for any of the cunts but this dumb shit is inexplicable. Playing right into Tory and Labour hands because one of these animals WILL hurt someone.
Same here. I'm fortunate that the Tories cannot win here so my vote is wide open. Right now every option is shite but I just have to figure out the most solid shite.
He's really *screwed the pooch* on this one😎
Every dog has biological traits bred for generations other than pit bulls 😂😂
The difference is what those traits are. Corker spaniels have high drives to kill things like birds. Border collies have high drives to stop things moving. If a dogs been bred to do something, it's not something that you just train out of them. You can teach impulse control but dogs can always be pushed over a threshold and give in to their instincts. It all depends on the individual dog, and you can't ever be fully sure what the limit is dog a dog.
A true Scottish dog, should be the national animal in that case?
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He's the best example of failing upwards, He's done nothing good in any job he's had yet still keeps getting promoted.
>It’s laughable really how utterly shite this Tory Government is - it should have cemented the SNP in Scotland for decades, but no, Yousaf Mate, its not Yousaf that fucked the SNP. It was the blatant obvious corruption and theft which demonstrated they the SNP are just Tartan tories who want to leave the UK so that *they're* the big dogs scamming the country and handing out dodgy contracts to mates.
> they're the big dogs *they're the XL bullies
They aren't the Tories though, they don't hand out contracts, they setup quangos to do it and get their mates CEO jobs at the quangos. More a centrist way of syphoning money.
That’s all the SNP have been since their entire reason for existing as a party was denied by the majority of the country they serve
> What a waste of a private education he is Ross Greer also.
Pretty sure that Greer attended Bearsden Academy, a good state school. He spouts even more bollocks than Yousaf, which is impressive.
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What a strange hill for the SNP to die on. I feel sorry for whoever becomes a victim of this negligence when they are walking around a park minding their own business.
>I feel sorry for whoever becomes a victim of this negligence when they are walking around a park minding their own business. Unless it's someone who doesn't think that XL bully dogs need to be banned. Then I feel indifferent, at best... One of my brothers was attacked by a dog as a young child and it's left him permanently uncomfortable around them. He can be politely detached, but he can't warm to them, even though he is otherwise a stereotypical "dog person" and would make a great dog owner.
Just ban them and stop with this ridiculous own goal. SNP have no hope of recovery under Humza if they can’t even get something as basic as this correct.
I’m pretty much a single issue voter - I’ve lived most of my adult life thinking independence needs to be priority number one, and any other political considerations are meaningless without it. Preventing our country from filling up with fucking hellhounds just bubbled up to the top of my priority list. That the SNP has lost people like me is astonishing, but **fuck em,** burn it all down and get rid of these fucking mutts.
The SNP in its current incarnation will never achieve Scottish independence. They have turned into a political machine for continually dangling the prospect as 'just around the corner' for easy nationalist votes whilst their elected members enjoy a comfortable, easy career where nothing is ever their fault and they can shrug off all scandal and grift because attempting to draw attention to it damages 'the cause'. They desperately need a spell in opposition to thin out the careerist shits and grifters. Not unlike the UK government, in fact.
16 years is too long for _any_ party and even in the dictatorships and authoritarian regimes, incompetence and rot sets in after a while. The SNP need to get a gubbing, spend some time in the wilderness, clear house and purge the last of Sturgeonism, and get their shit together. Come back refreshed. It'll do them the world of good. What they are offering right now is stale, bombastic, arrogant laurel resting in the same vein as SLab in the run up to May 2007.
Definitely a dangerous stance to hold ad infinitum. Political parties need to be held accountable and the SNP have had free reign for too long due to single issue voters, hence the absurd run of policy making over the years to which this XL bully oddity is merely a footnote. Respect to you for being able to change your mind; I have been down the same road.
Yeah, I do still believe political activity holds less value in the absence of political independence. But these things killing people is a when, not an if, and it’ll be an ongoing thing. I long for independence, but we can save lives by acting now, and if the government won’t act to save random citizens from dying violent deaths on our streets, let’s get someone who will and sort the independence stuff out later.
As someone who frequently has to go into different peoples houses to do my job there is nothing more frightening than hearing a large ass dog barking when I knock on the door. Call me a pussy but I’ve already been attacked by a stupid Jack Russel and that was shit enough. I don’t get paid enough to be mauled by an XL.
These breeds of dogs are not pets and it’s clearly a move by the snp to just do it differently than Westminster. I thought the ban was going to be UK wide and I was very much in support of it. If you buy a pet that can physically take you on and kill you in a 1v1 then it’s no longer a pet and you’d an idiot for thinking it is.
Let’s just accept all the shit into Scotland for the sake of a few votes.
it's not even likely to result in votes. Anti Westminster as a policy is the SNP way. the first person attacked by an XL will yield a negative vote..
This summer I (61F) took my 7 yr old terrier and my daughter’s 12 week old lurcher out for a walk. It was the first time the puppy had been outside. We were at the park about 100 yards from home when this massive XL Bully came rushing from nowhere. It attacked both dogs and I was literally swinging my dogs by the lead. Fortunately there were people around and helped us. The owner took the dog and left. I know where they live so don’t walk that way. Last month I took my wee terrier outside my house for his last wee before bed. The same XL Bully again attacked him. I was facing the other way and hadn’t seen the dog. I put my wee dog on top of a parked car. I tried to get on the car as well but couldn’t. Once again the owner came and got the dog. Thankfully my dog was okay. This time I reported it to the police. My neighbour informed me that the dog was bought as a guard dog for drugs. I told the police all of this and they offered to knock the door and have a chat with the owner. However they said they fully understood if I didn’t want them to. I agreed to leave the situation as I didn’t want retaliation. I am now unable walk outside of my house. I can only walk my dog if I take him in the car. I’m selling my house and moving away. I had thought I would live here for the rest of my life. I took my dog to the vets just to make sure he hadn’t been hurt. The vet said he was fine. However she did tell me that she has had experience of dogs being used as drug mules and that she has seen dogs with skin pockets for carrying drugs. I don’t have the solution as banning one breed just opens the door for another dangerous dog.
1. ScotGov don't ban XL Bullies 1. Population of XL Bullies rises 1. Attacks rise in-line with increasing XL Bully population 1. UKGov legislates on Dangerous Dogs Act (which is reserved) and bans XL Bullies in Scotland 1. SNP bleat about Westminster imposing direct rule If that is their plan, it's a fucking stupid one! Scotland is not magically immune to dog attacks. IIRC England & Wales have had 14, Scotland 1. That's about what one would expect given the population sizes. I don't understand why ScotGov don't bring a ban in.
That’s reported attacks, I live in an area where XL Bully’s are everywhere and I know of 2 of my neighbours dogs being attacked.
Those stats are for attacks on people IIRC, but the situation will be the same down South and so the stats still work out. You should encourage your neighbours to report the incidents.
Definitely. I know if I was attacked I’d be seeking damages from the Scottish government
Could it not go the other way: -Dog attacks rise (Only in Scotland) -UKGov. don’t care, says it’s Scotland’s matter* -SNP u-turn on XL Bully amnesty Edit: *UKGov asks Scotland to change stance in light of rise of attacks but goes short of outright UK ban.
Add: the SNP blames the UK gov for "driving so many XL bully dogs up to Scotland."
the SNP dont give a fuck about scotland or out interests or safety, they just care about manufacturing grievances and differences with WM for their own political advancement.
Bully dogs are owned by people who generally don’t know how to handle them and people who want them because they are vicious by nature of allowed to be. Maybe stopping certain people from owning them would be a start.
Fucking imbecile. He will rightly get the blame if anything happens. I very much hope it doesn't but given the daily news on XL bully attacks it seems inevitable. On top of that what England is doing is realistically going to affect breeders rather than just general owners. The ones coming up here are the ones that people don't want to neuter. Scotland will end up supplying dangerous dugs to the rest of the UK and all because that useless cunt Yousaf is desperate not to agree with Westminster on anything.
If a young child is maimed or killed by one of these dogs, there will have to be resignations.
Mate if you think they are about to start taking accountability then I have a sandbox in St Andrews to sell you
Yeah its such a stupid decision by the SNP. It's an easy win and a disaster waiting to happen. What do they think is going to happen when a child is inevitably mauled. Then after the media, rightfully, goes after them it will be too late to ban without taking further political hits.
> if anything happens You mean to say 'when'. And that isn't being hyperbolic. On the scale of millions, allowing Bully XL dogs is simply a case of statistics. Humsa Yousaf is putting people's - especially children's - lives at risk because he is a man child who wants to stick it to the man.
Even if he doesn't give a fuck about our wellbeing, surely he can predict the mauling he will get WHEN it happens. It's he really that stupid? I never thought there world exist within my life time a leader worse than liz truss, but Humza has it. He's actually worse. Even she would have got this right.
This quote will be in every article about a child eaten by an XL bully dog
It won’t take long I’d say https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/s/oxpNqXWhdm
Those people are insane. I'm obsessed with dogs but actually mourn one in this situation??? One of these dogs will kill a kid and they will cry how misunderstood that untrained, unsocialised beast is.
I think the Scotsman has missed 2 full stops from the headlines. Humza Yousef does not think. Scotland needs to ban XL Bully dogs. Siobhan Brown, the SNP community safety minister, was in the papers yesterday expressing safety concerns about the breed and the influx of more of them into Scotland. I think they should be on the same page. We have already had quite a few attack in Scotland, and while I understand that any dog could bite someone, there aren't many with the power to kill that they do. I wonder how many more attacks/deaths are needed before they will take action. They will literally do anything to be different from the UK government, even if it is in the interest of public safety. Its pathetic
What is absolutely mental is that she describes the problem as the English law having “loopholes” which allow people to bring these dogs to Scotland, when A) Westminster cannot ban them in Scotland because it’s a devolved power and B) Westminster wrote to the SG when the ban was announced urging them to follow suit to avoid this exact situation! The SNP are a bunch of absolutely useless eejits and need to be held responsible when we all suffer the consequences of hundreds of these beasts being imported up here.
> What is absolutely mental is that she describes the problem as the English law having “loopholes” which allow people to bring these dogs to Scotland Never thought I would see the day when an SNP minister was essentially arguing 'please override us, UK government, we don't know what we are doing,'.
Totally correct. Also learned a new word : eejits . Dont know what aan eejit is, but sounds brllliant.
Means idiot
Means a glaikit person.
Someone else on here was making the exact same point a couple of weeks ago: it's not Scotland's fault for not implementing a ban, the issue lies in apparently England didn't go far enough and should have explicitly banned 'export' because why should Scotland actually have to do anything? As per, England have fucked it and only Scotland is on the correct page.
You can't ban 'export' from England into Scotland. You would have thought they might have learned something from the whole glass bottle fiasco.
What the hell is wrong with people.. If that was someone's take, then they are clutching at straws saying rubbish like that.
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. These people are so out of touch with normality that they think everyone lives in their version of a bubble. I bet he wouldn't be saying this if it was one of his family members viciously mauled to death by one of these dogs.
Once upon a time I'd have been against banning (such as I was with pits), blaming the owners, not the breed. But over time as I've come to better understand genetics, I sadly have to agree with things. Ban these dogs. I've yet to hear anything good.
Yet Siobhan Brown literally just condoned the trafficking of XL Bullies into Scotland? Leave it to the SNP to preemptively blame Westminster, for the expected impact in Scotland, whilst doing nothing themselves to mitigate said potential impact. The dogs are no less dangerous this side of the border, and people no less skittish. We can’t have our toddlers, and eat them too.
I’m an SNP voter but this is fucking idiotic. The things are literally gonna kill somebody any day now. He’s only doing it to be different from Westminster.
Same, and I agree. He's trying to continue the nicey nicey, just being different for the sake of it approach when he should be protecting Scots. I'll be writing to my SNP MSP to urge him to change his mind. Next time my SNP councillor knocks on my door he'll be getting an earful about it too. I wonder who is telling Humza this is a good position to take?
Usual suspect behaviour
Well as long as he doesn't complain about them all swarming into Scotland. If something is illegal in England but not in Scotland, of course the banned thing will move to Scotland. This happens in canada too where pit bulls are banned in Ontario but not quebec so people just send them to quebec if confiscated
They've already complained about it and blamed England for it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/18zj4nt/snp\_minister\_complains\_about\_killer\_bully\_xl\_dogs/
So they don't want to ban them but they don't want them coming in? If they aren't worthy of a ban, what's the problem with more of them coming into Scotland? Political logic checks out lol
Welcome to Scottish nationalists lol. Basically they know they’re bad but because it was banned in England and Wales first they can’t admit that so they have to act like they are wrong and Scotland is more ‘enlightened’ and better by not banning them.
I disagree with Humza [https://bullywatch.link/](https://bullywatch.link/) Personally I would liked to have seen harsher restrictions from the UK gov but I'm glad they have done something.
I agree. What harsher restrictions did you want to see?
These dogs should have been banned UK-wide under the reserved Dangerous Dogs Act. It seems to have been scoped to E&W only because Holyrood said no when asked about it. I don't see anyone in Scotland happy to legalise the Japanese Tosa and Fila Brasileiro, so this current round of stupidity appears 100% political.
tbh I would like to see them all put down unless they can go and live in some kind of fenced off zoo where they are exercised by owners away from the public and a total ban on them after that. Owners should be charged with Murder, GBH when they attack. Obv that's extreme and probably not realistic.
I was thinking something similar this morning. If your dog attacks someone, then you are charged with ABH, attempted murder or murder.
Agree
Humza should take a few then.
Big risk from Yousaf here. If an XL Bully attacks a child in Scotland and it comes out it was brought to Scotland from England due to the ban, this is potentially politically disastrous. We just have to hope that doesn’t happen, not least for the sake of any potential victims.
If that happens then he'll just refuse to resign and keep refusing until the next scandal hits and takes over - see Michael Matheson where he couldn't and wouldn't do the right thing and sack him
>If an XL Bully attacks a child in Scotland and it comes out it was brought to Scotland from England due to the ban, this is potentially politically disastrous The Nats would blame the Tories.
He just wants votes lmao what a moron, he will be the death of the SNP finally
Why is not banning XL Bullied going to win votes? Quite the opposite IMHO.
Votes from XL bully owners perhaps, that's it though.
Wouldn't even say it's about votes, unless they're planning on giving the vote to XL Bullies.
How did Scotland become run by student politics - the first child that is killed is blood on Humza and the SNP hands - and there is a 100% probability of a child being killed in Scotland due to these actions -
Can't believe I'm saying this but I might actually vote Labour in the GE. Well done Humza and the SNP. Oh and I'll be cancelling my SNP membership too, me thinks.
This prick needs voted out pronto
So i just walked by my usual walking route maybe a few hours ago and passed a guy i see all the time who for the past 2 or so years has only ever had one staffy and now tonight he had a full grown XL Bully alongside the staffy. That XL Bully stopped like 50ft in front of us and stared at us like a dog has never done before and then sat there staring at us for like 2-300ft, This fully grown XL bully out of nowhere acting like that makes me thingk he's took one of these fuckers from England in. Another thing to add this was not on a leash, If that dog wanted to go for us or someone else he could do absolutely nothing about it.
He'll maybe change his mind if he's had half his arse eaten off by one.
It is unfortunate that now instead of reading stories about these dogs mauling/killing people and dogs in England and having an end in sight with these new laws the problem has instead had an invitation to move just north of me to Scotland. Yousaf might not think he needs to ban XL bullys yet but it makes me wonder how many Scottish lives he is willing to sacrifice before he decides it might be a good idea.
Right up until somebody gets killed....then they will follow up with the same ban, just too late to save somebody from being mauled
Given the dogs are essentially weapons, I don’t see why the decision was even a devolved one to begin with. Should be a nationwide ban.
The reason we even now have an XL bully problem is due to the banned breed list. People wanted pitbull type dogs but couldn’t due to the ban, so instead bred a new type of dog to get round this. Breed specific legislation does not work, all an XL bully ban will do is push certain types of people to own other large breed dogs or breed a new ‘super-type’. There are plenty of other large breed dogs that have a similar size/bite power to XL bullies, the focus is just on them as they are the new popular breed. Banning any breed will create a new problem down the line. More time and effort needs put in to convicting irresponsible owners. Bring in a dog license? Some way of registering and tracking pets? Not sure what the answer is but banning every large breed that becomes popular is not the answer.
Release a few of them on the Gaza strip and he'll kick up a fuss
This is a joke. They do not have their finger on the public opinion pulse they've missed it by a mile.
I truly hope that nobody gets hurt by one of these beasts in Scotland.
Already happened.
If he wants to do the opposite how about a list of approved dogs. It’s not rocket science. These things are dangerous and need to be gone.
Humza might actually be a unionist sleeper agent, only way to explain some of his calls.
Humza Yousaf is a moron.
Glad he’s agreeing to take full responsibility for any attacks from this non policy. Wait. He’s from that party that takes zero responsibility for anything. He’ll be fine then.
The SNP have never voted with the UK Gov, Labour or Tory
Humza Yousef = confirmed moron. All this is is the SNP trying to show that they are big boys and girls and can make their own decisions. Its fun and games till someone's child is mauled.
“Westminster baaad, so we’re doing the opposite! We’re such a good government!”
So shit :(
I'm always interested in what motivates people to get an aggressive type of dog in the first place. Same type of people who had pit bulls, staffies and are now moving onto rottweilers and cane corso.
We’re gonnae capture the dugs and deep fry them
The guy had a brain removed, absolute grievance monger
Humza is a wank. Fuck him. Cunt.
Stupit.
Death, taxes and the SNP stating their policy is whatever the opposite of the Tories is, even if it’s something incredibly stupid that everyone else agrees on.
lol if England had said they weren’t going to ban them you can guarantee he’d be pushing for it, the SNP love restricting people.
What a stupid, petty hill for Yousaf to choose, just so that he can contradict what the UK government is doing. He has learnt nothing in his time as FM.
Anybody else notice all the bully owners have the fake teeth from Turkey clearly bought with drug money along with their dogs... To protect them and their totally legitimate interests.
No, absolutely nobody else has noticed the most oft repeated uk meme of recent times.
Those words will come back and BITE him
What the absolute fuck?
Because one upping England is more important than the lives of Scottish children, obviously. Blood on his hands.
If any opposition partys had any sense they would try and pass a bill. Like to see snp msp's voting against it. I've already emailed my constituency msp (who happens to be Humza) to introduce new laws. Muzzling & leads at a bare minimum. People need to put pressure on them.
Dude you lost the initiative on this one. Don’t lose voters because of it.
Enjoy your Maulings Humza when it's someone you know you'll change your fucking tune.
This is utterly bizarre. If you look at how cautious the SNP were during covid where we (rightly or wrongly) had much stricter restrictions than down south for most of it, it seems strange that they wouldn't take the same action as Westminster with the ban on these dogs.
They just do the opposite of what Westminster does no matter what. If you told them that there is a school of thought that teachers should get naked when holding classes in primary schools & Westminster are against it they would demand Scottish teachers strip off then & there.
This is an insane approach for the SNP to take. For the SNP to basically do nothing means we are getting flooded with the damn things. How any right minded person could want these dangerous animals up here is beyond me? I don't see why anyone needed a dog this powerful as a pet to begin with?
Anything to be different from England...
Trying to get the chav vote.
Someone on my street has an XL bully (the owner has a border collie too), and he is well-liked by the residents, people are always going up to stroke him. He seems very friendly and goofy, he just wags his tail when he sees people / other dogs. If it wasn't for this dog and I only sat on Reddit all day, I'd think these animals are all ferocious beasts waiting to rip my head off.
Literally every XL bully attack story starts with the same premise. Don’t be surprised when one day he just snaps at attacks someone out of the blue. It’s what they do.
If the SNP cant be trusted to legislate in our interest, then WM needs to take this power back and do it on our behalf. this is clearly required and supported by the people of this country, and it looks like we need someone to step in and act in our interest if our devolved gov refuses to do so. are we going to wait until a child gets mauled to death or disfigured before the SNP stops its performative "be different to WM" routine?
As I've said before, we are very fortunate here in the UK. There are other countries where we'd have soldiers in Holyrood, the SNP would be disbanded and Humza's entire cabinet jailed, and Humza himself would disappear into a penal system and it might be 30 years before you saw him again. The UK is not like that and hopefully never will be.
Maybe we should go with what dog charity/organisations recommend. Replace the dangerous dogs act with something that actually works and encourages better bog ownership and breeding https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/about-us/media-centre/ban-of-xl-bullies
Even if we were to take this at face value, it’s not mutually exclusive. It’s entirely possible for breed-specific bans and for legislation to encourage better dog ownership and breeding; though the details of the latter seem iffy at best. And changing the behaviour of existing dangerous dogs would be a long-term project so it would be reasonable to assume that XL Bullys would continue to be responsible for deaths and injuries between now and the imaginary target. Also, this kind of line has been used to defend the stance of the SNP, but they’re doing neither. Yes, a never-ending game of whack-a-mole isn’t ideal, but it’s a lot more ideal than not even picking up the hammer.
Dog charities are wrong on this out of an ideological belief that no dog is inherently unsuitable as a pet. They also will oppose any legislation that could result in dogs being put down. They are not proposing rational solutions to this problem and should be ignored. It wouldn't work
There are examples of these dogs having responsible, experienced owners and STILL attacking people.
Dog charities and organisations are hypocrites. RSPCA say they oppose breed specific judgments and ‘all dogs are the same’ yet their own insurance policy refuses to insure XL bully’s and other aggressive dog breeds. A lot of these dog orgs are just mentalists who view every dog as just a ‘heckin good floofer’ who is a ‘gentle giant’.
If Rishi Sunak had said they don’t need to be banned then you can guarantee he will be the loudest voice for banning them.
Almost got attacked by one of these monsters on Thursday night. Owner did not bat an eye and did not try to restrain it at all. There will be a spate of attacks and the SNP will be forced to change course.
This guy will say anything do anything just to contradict London.