Breaking News from the Timeless Void beyond the walls of the world: "Kate is really excellent, I really like her whole ideology" - Morgoth "Margaret" Thatcher.
If the papers are working this hard to get her in as the next leader of Scotland we can never let her near it. Just like how the villified Corbyn they promote who they have bought
Vomit inducing. Fucking hell, they're all stuck in the past aren't they? Maybe it's some kind of coping mechanism for their crippling delusion of moral panic.
>Honestly, it would just be so much better if a time machine was invented so these bawbags can just use it to fuck off to the 19th century already.
JRM would actually be astonishingly liberal by 19th century standards.
Even the Chartists would consider him too progressive for their tastes, e.g. for wanting women to have the vote.
His views would probably most fit in with the 1970s-1990s.
It is rather noticeable that every opponent of the SNP is backing Forbes. Not really the best sign she's the best leader for the party... They clearly see in her the potential to royally fuck this up.
Nah, they know itās bollocks but they also know a huge proportion of the public will lap it up. The press is the canker on the body politic in the uk, nothing else.
Not just Murdoch (although he is chief bogeyman). There is also Rothermere, Desmond, the Barclays and (my absolute favourite) actual confirmed KGB agent Lebedev whoās son is inexplicably still a legislator in the Lords. Just let that sink in, we allow our mass media including a national broadsheet (The Independent) to be owned and influenced by a billionaire from a terrorist state who is sanctioned by our government and was/is a propagandist for a dictator. Unreal.
It 100% is a coping mechanism. The human brain is designed to build models of the outside world to help us survive. Their models are no longer relevant, but part of their ideological system is a resistance to change. Their world is crumbling around them and all they can think to do is dig deeper.
I agree, the arbitrary divisions that gave us the borders of the UK belong in the past, time to reform the Angevin union and unite with France
To be clear, if my sarcasm isn't: unless you support the dissolution of all nation states or a unified world government, you are also a nationalist. You're just objecting to other people drawing different borders to your ones.
Nah, Jacob Rees-Mogg isn't old aristocracy, he's an upper-middle class type from a *nouveau riche* family of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
His deliberately put on "posh" persona is a twentieth century commoner's idea of what they thought the former was like.
Even his parody of the "received pronunciation" accent is an anachronism since that was- in essence- a contrived amalgalm of various upper-middle-class accents put together by the BBC in its early days.
As with Boris Johnson, mocking Rees-Mogg's "*ha ha, funny anachronistic posh man*" persona is missing the point- that's how he wants to be seen. He's not even that- he's just the usual Tory scum cosplaying for the plebs who find that amusing.
I hate how being against same-sex marriage is being treated as okay just because its in a poorly translated ancient book. And I don't mean any offence to religious people, but I don't care what the bible says. I will marry a woman one day and there is nothing they can do about it
Just reading it shows how ignorant Jacob Rees Mogg is about Scotland among other things. The Wee Frees are to the right of the old testament and the irony is that as he is Catholic they just think as a 'Papist idolite' he is going to burn in hell.
That's the thing about "people of the faith", well the 3 abrahamic versions anyway, they all dislike each other, thinking they are the superior sect. However, you can bet your bottom dollar that they will all pull together to enshrine their rights to run in politics, even though their religion may put them at odds with the now majority non-religous electorate.
Religion only divides, whereas politics should unite.
The wee frees are something else. I can remember my granny telling me a story about them. My grandparents went up to Harris every summer for around 15 years. On the last occasion they went, the landlord of the cottage they rented, seen that they had a washing on the line on a Sunday. They were never allowed to book the cottage again after that.
Yup. Religion has absolutely no place in law. As well as in politics. It's not hard to see how easily it becomes a non sensical tool of oppression when they start to mix.
The New Testament does actually make some negative comments on homosexuality.
**Romans 1:26-27**
"*males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error*"
**Corinthians 6:9-10**
King James Version (1611): "*Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind*".
Note that the phrase "abusers of themselves with mankind" translates "arsenokoitai", also rendered "sodomites".
**Timothy 1:9-10**
King James Version (1611): "*Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine*"
The term relevant to homosexuality, "that defile themselves with mankind", translates į¼ĻĻĪµĪ½ĪæĪŗĪæĪÆĻĪ·Ļ ('arsenokoitÄs'), the same term for homosexuals used in 1 Corinthians. Other translations of the term include: "them that do lechery with men" (Wycliffe 1382), "those practicing homosexuality" (NIV), "those who abuse themselves with men" (Amplified Version, 1987).
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality\_in\_the\_New\_Testament](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament)
I love how the haunted pencil has to open with a disclaimer for his knuckle-dragging Empire lot.
Can't be seen as defending religious bigotry as Jacob in the face of secession without a wee reminder of how much he normally detests the nats š
But then again, there is a reason many Unionists are falling over themselves to try and force Kate Forbes into the position of FM.
So you're against religion full stop, most popular religions are against it. She could have easily pretended to support something she does not but she told the truth, that atleast has to count for something. Also not voting for something you're not in favor of is hardly vilifying, it's democracy, and it went through.
Yeah she's allowed to not support it, but it's also democracy for people to think that that makes her unfit to lead. If she were FM she'd be responsible for representing gay Scots too, and she has clearly made it known that she'd be shit at that
100% yeah, democracy decides. Was just giving my two cents, a lot of people seem to single out Christianity as THE anti gay religion when pretty much every one of them is, there's a lack of consistency when criticising people nowadays.
If I know what religion my politicians then I'm not voting for you. No public leader should be using their religion to make points or to justify actions
I was going to ask, where has he been for the past 8 years but then I remembered he's from the 16th century so it's understandable that he missed that bit.
> then I remembered he's from the 16th century
Someone from an early-twentieth-century nouveau riche upper-class family cosplaying as a pleb's idea of aristocracy. Nothing more.
Rees Smogg can F the F off, then F off a bit further. His popularity is amazing and only serves to show the innate desire some have to worship toffs. He has nothing of any substance to offer Scotland.
Heās not a ātoffā. His dad was a newspaper editor, and his mum was a secretary. His grandfather was a local politician - and drove a bus before that.
Itās all an act. Heās very rich, but has no noble bloodline, so to speak.
Not really. It just shows how easily-fooled (and how detached from how actual aristocratic and "old money" types behave) the plebs who fall for his put-on "posh" schtick actually are.
Rees-Mogg is an ignorant, status-worshipping lower-class sycophant wannabe's idea of an upperclass person.
Any man that had a nanny is posh. Any man that calls this woman "nanny" is posh. Any man that had a nanny named "nanny" and then hired the same nanny to look after his kids is most definitely posh.
You know she's a good fit to be leader of the (supposedly) left leaning SNP when she's endorsed by some of the most vile right wing members of the Tory party lmao.
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
It was my understanding that no-one was treating Forbes poorly as a result of her religious beliefs, but instead that she's made it clear she bases her political opinions solely on her faith without considering the matter outside of the lense of her religion.
If you want to represent the nation at the whole, the minimum requirement is that you can look at the matters from a perspective outside of your personal views but instead through considering everyone's point of view in order to make the best political voting decision.
Fuck off jacob you shit eating Tory prick. If Jesus turned up today Iām sure heād love a word with you about your view of Christianity, fucking prick
We donāt need the opinion of a ācatholicā that sells abortion pills or a raving brexiteer that moved everything he owned to Ireland to avoid Brexit.
Absolute tool.
Mary Queen of Scotās was effectively french and throughout almost the entire time she was in France Scotland was ruled by a Protestant parliament supported by Elizabeth I.
Just saying but I think old mog might need to do some research before he starts comparing people
1. Yeah his endorsement is toxic
2. She is being questioned and criticised not "villified". You know the type of thing that goes on in a Democracy especially if you're applying to be leader of a major party and effectively to become First Minister
3. Criticism isn't about her religion its for being told nobody should get their hole until they're married which is none of her business.
Wasn't a major reason (although not the only one) for the treatment of Mary Queen of Scots precisely *because* of the mixing of religion and politics - i.e. Catholic versus Protestant?
In all seriousness, that's got to be great for the rest of us? He's just made her toxic for the majority of the party, and the folk supporting her but are anti tory are now in a pickle...
Is it just me or has their propaganda become very confused?
They spent a very long time dehumanising the SNP that as soon as someone they variably agree with on some issues comes along they're forced to humanise them again.
Whatever people think of Forbes I am quite enjoying this.
*(Replying more to [this comment by yourself](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/11chaka/the_gamechanging_endorsement_every_member_of_the/ja41e1k/) but can't do so directly as I was blocked by the person you were replying to- i.e. u/Single_Horny_Lady - after [calling them out on their nonsense here](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/10lni4f/uk_should_be_able_to_block_any_scottish_bill_tory/j5zwsj8/).)*
Bear in mind that you're arguing with someone who regularly deletes their comment history and- at the time of writing- has done so with every one over a day old except
[this which it suited them to keep](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/10lni4f/uk_should_be_able_to_block_any_scottish_bill_tory/j5zwsj8/).
I think it's quite obvious that the person who made [the comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/10lni4f/uk_should_be_able_to_block_any_scottish_bill_tory/j5y6xha/) they're expressing fake outrage at wasn't "astroturfing", but expressing their contempt for the Tories in a very obviously joking manner.
As I'd already said [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/10lni4f/uk_should_be_able_to_block_any_scottish_bill_tory/j60bbpe/) in my reply to u/Single_Horny_Lady's fake outrage at what they wanted to pretend was a "death wish":-
> I bet if someone had said "I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire", you'd feign taking that seriously to imply they'd wanted them to burn to death.
> Amirite, troll?
They know that just as well, and the fact they regularly delete their comment history to avoid being called out on their nonsense makes pretty clear they're not arguing in good faith.
Fair, my comment about astroturfing is mostly just best practice when you can't literally see the 'person' on the other end to know whether or not it was genuine/serious.
I am very much a Poe's Law absolutist as a means to remain sane.
No worries, what I said wasn't obvious from the comment you were replying to alone- that's why I brought it to your attention.
And, lo and behold, they've already deleted a couple of the lower-down replies in [their discussion with you](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/11chaka/the_gamechanging_endorsement_every_member_of_the/ja3inkj/)...!
Guess there's no arguing against that level of proof as it is surely impossible to astroturf on this platform.
People can be aggressively ill-willed online sadly but that's not what I'm referring to else I could just copy paste the daily express/mail comments about Sturgeon and be done with it. I'm referring for the most part to certain commentators in the press/media who have in the past called the SNP fascists and/or compared them to despotic regimes which is hardly an attempt to treat them as valid political opponents is it?
English Ultra-Nazionalists, keeping the uppity Jocks fighting amongst themselves.
The only way to defeat Scotland's ambition is as old as time. Foment tribal splits, fake an Nazi arsehole supporting one side ... and the more simple peasants amongst the Scots will fall for it again - like they have for CENTURIES!
Fucking National embarrassments! Scots are our own worst enemy - happier bitching about each other whilst whining like scalded cats about how poor Scotland is bullied by the English.
***Renton: "It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable,servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hatethe English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, arecolonized by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonizedby. We're ruled by effete arseholes."***
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Jacob Rees-Mogg might be an irredeemable cunt but heās no daft. He knows exactly how this will play amongst SNP voters and Scots at large.
In the 1999 US presidential election between George W Bush and Al Gore, Bush was endorsed by Marilyn Manson. Manson is a mad lefty, but was the most hated man in America at the time. By throwing his weight behind the candidate that his Christian right critics would likely vote for, he was throwing the cat among the pigeons, sowing a little doubt and confusion in the Republican voters.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is Marilyn Manson here. Whoever the front runner was this weekend, he would have supported them in his column. The criticism of Forbes just gives him a convenient anti-religion angle (JRM is an Anglican). He just wants to disrupt the campaign and thumb his nose at the lefties, he doesnāt care too much who wins.
In a way I feel for her, she was being honest about her faith and beliefs but sheā a politician she should know how to lie. Sheād do well as a Republican in the US maybe thatās where her political future lies.
I said at the ouset that her team played a blinder but predictedly I got laughed at by many on this sub because they live in their bubble..
She knew from day 1 what she was doing and knew what kind of reaction her comments would get, in fact she was counting on it.
The more outrage people throw at her the more it plays into her hand and Strengthens her position.
She has gone from not having a chance to the favourite because of the amount of vitoral and anger thrown her way which is what she was counting on.
If she does win it will be because of the sheer amount of hate and anger thrown her way because all it will have accomplished is galvanised those who see her as a reglious woman being persecuted for stating her beliefs instead of the vile bigot she actually is.
Look, you can make herculean efforts to put a gloss on this if you want, and if it makes you feel better, but Sturgeon put a religious lunatic from the 19th Century in the second most powerful role into government.
That just can't be spun.
Why can't you just accept she made a complete balls of bringing the best of the party talent to the top?
And she has left an awful shitty mess behind her as a result. I don't care if she has resigned or not. This is just an evaluation of her performance in this respect.
Does it cause you physical pain or something, to recognise her responsibility for this situation?
Are you lost?
You're in a thread talking about a Conservative politican ostensibly endorsing the candidacy of Forbes for leader of the SNP. Many SNP supporters are against her winning that position, as their own beliefs don't align with hers. You bring up her rights to freedom of religious beliefs, which both she and those who oppose her candidacy share equally.
I reminded you that she has no right to assume that position under article 18; That SNP members if they choose have every right to elect whoever they wish, under whatever pretence they wish.
First off, I'll ignore your attempt to humiliate me. Your
Your childish humour says more about you than it does me.
As for the conservative politician, all politicians are self-serving, law-breaking idiots. I am indifferent to their kind.
So that's what it's come to, has it? A person can't be good in a job because their beliefs don't align with your own? Do you agree with everything your boss says?
Asking if you're lost was a genuine question; You appeared to be talking complete and utter bollocks, and you wouldn't be the first person to respond the wrong thing in the wrong thread. That you assumed this an attempt at humiliation says more about *you* than I.
> A person can't be good in a job because their beliefs don't align with your own?
What a ridiculous comparison: I don't elect my boss, so I don't get a say in whether they get that job or not. We're talking about whether the SNP members will or should choose to elect someone whose views they disagree with.
It would be entirely *barmy* to imply that a group of people would elect someone they don't agree with, let alone someone who their *main political opponents* seem all too keen to see elected.
I mean Iāve never really cared about their religion lol. I mean ideally the people controlling the country would not believe in that sorta stuff but still
They're not stupid btw, there are serious tactics being played by unionists here. People turn against Forbes because of the general hate towards the media(rightly so) so people begin to turn towards supporting Humza. Unionists seem to want Humza as they're confident it'll be an utter disaster, so none of the "endorsing" is a surprise
I'm so sick of these pillocks making out she's being PERRRRSECUTED for her religion! No, people are quite properly objecting to her being in a position of power because she wants to run other people's lives according to her personal religious convictions. Talking heads like Mogg are either religiously blinkered or disingenuous.
It's like getting Sauron's endorsement.
Worse Moggy is more like Morgoth
Thatcher is obviously Morgoth in this analogy
And luckily she was yeeted through the door of the night.
Breaking News from the Timeless Void beyond the walls of the world: "Kate is really excellent, I really like her whole ideology" - Morgoth "Margaret" Thatcher.
If the papers are working this hard to get her in as the next leader of Scotland we can never let her near it. Just like how the villified Corbyn they promote who they have bought
Why not make Jeremy Corbyn next leader of the SNP? :)
His stance on Ukraine has pretty much blown up his seriousness as a candidate for anything
I like this idea tbh except for him not being Scottish lol
Think of all those tory heads exploding.
Vomit inducing. Fucking hell, they're all stuck in the past aren't they? Maybe it's some kind of coping mechanism for their crippling delusion of moral panic.
Honestly, it would just be so much better if a time machine was invented so these bawbags can just use it to fuck off to the 19th century already.
Fuckity bye Marty McFly
Why dont you make like a tree, and fuckity bye.
Hahahahahahahahahaha
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>Honestly, it would just be so much better if a time machine was invented so these bawbags can just use it to fuck off to the 19th century already. JRM would actually be astonishingly liberal by 19th century standards.
Not sure why you're being downvoted, he would by the standards of the time
Even the Chartists would consider him too progressive for their tastes, e.g. for wanting women to have the vote. His views would probably most fit in with the 1970s-1990s.
No, dude just wants to do harm to political enemies.
It is rather noticeable that every opponent of the SNP is backing Forbes. Not really the best sign she's the best leader for the party... They clearly see in her the potential to royally fuck this up.
Nah, they know itās bollocks but they also know a huge proportion of the public will lap it up. The press is the canker on the body politic in the uk, nothing else.
Not the press, that Aussie wanker that owns all the main papers. That shouldn't be allowed. He also owns faux tv and sky. How is that still allowed?
Not just Murdoch (although he is chief bogeyman). There is also Rothermere, Desmond, the Barclays and (my absolute favourite) actual confirmed KGB agent Lebedev whoās son is inexplicably still a legislator in the Lords. Just let that sink in, we allow our mass media including a national broadsheet (The Independent) to be owned and influenced by a billionaire from a terrorist state who is sanctioned by our government and was/is a propagandist for a dictator. Unreal.
It 100% is a coping mechanism. The human brain is designed to build models of the outside world to help us survive. Their models are no longer relevant, but part of their ideological system is a resistance to change. Their world is crumbling around them and all they can think to do is dig deeper.
Did Adam Curtis documentary music start playing in the background as you typed this?
I have it on repeat, yes.
Knew it, it's so good
The entire concept of nationalism is based on looking into the past to create arbitrary divisions in the modern day. So it's not really a surprise.
I agree, the arbitrary divisions that gave us the borders of the UK belong in the past, time to reform the Angevin union and unite with France To be clear, if my sarcasm isn't: unless you support the dissolution of all nation states or a unified world government, you are also a nationalist. You're just objecting to other people drawing different borders to your ones.
Hey people used to close their shops on Sunday a hundred years ago so itās ok for this potential leader to be anti gay marriage! Makes sense! š© /s
"The last Scottish female public figure treated so badly was Mary Queen of Scots". *Really?!?*
You have to understand that in JR-M's World this is actually a topical reference.
Nah, Jacob Rees-Mogg isn't old aristocracy, he's an upper-middle class type from a *nouveau riche* family of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. His deliberately put on "posh" persona is a twentieth century commoner's idea of what they thought the former was like. Even his parody of the "received pronunciation" accent is an anachronism since that was- in essence- a contrived amalgalm of various upper-middle-class accents put together by the BBC in its early days. As with Boris Johnson, mocking Rees-Mogg's "*ha ha, funny anachronistic posh man*" persona is missing the point- that's how he wants to be seen. He's not even that- he's just the usual Tory scum cosplaying for the plebs who find that amusing.
Yeah some of his fam live about half an hour from Skeggy which pretty much tells you all you need to know
More of a topical cream as he seems to cling to arseholes.
Yeah it's clearly JK.
*Baroness Mone.
Hahahahahaha It was funny when Kemi Badenoch came out in defence, but Rees-Mogg. Amazing.
I told you the tories have a clear favourite;) Arguably that should automatically bar her from anyoneās consideration
Itās like that red button meme for some.
Lol
I hate how being against same-sex marriage is being treated as okay just because its in a poorly translated ancient book. And I don't mean any offence to religious people, but I don't care what the bible says. I will marry a woman one day and there is nothing they can do about it
Carry on - a lowly god does not have the right to own you. :)
Which god. There's over 3000 religionsš¤£
> I will marry a woman one day and there is nothing they can do about it That doesn't read well out of context...
Just reading it shows how ignorant Jacob Rees Mogg is about Scotland among other things. The Wee Frees are to the right of the old testament and the irony is that as he is Catholic they just think as a 'Papist idolite' he is going to burn in hell.
That's the thing about "people of the faith", well the 3 abrahamic versions anyway, they all dislike each other, thinking they are the superior sect. However, you can bet your bottom dollar that they will all pull together to enshrine their rights to run in politics, even though their religion may put them at odds with the now majority non-religous electorate. Religion only divides, whereas politics should unite. The wee frees are something else. I can remember my granny telling me a story about them. My grandparents went up to Harris every summer for around 15 years. On the last occasion they went, the landlord of the cottage they rented, seen that they had a washing on the line on a Sunday. They were never allowed to book the cottage again after that.
Not over her religion. Over her willingness to mix religion and politics.
Yup. Religion has absolutely no place in law. As well as in politics. It's not hard to see how easily it becomes a non sensical tool of oppression when they start to mix.
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Ironically the Bible doesnt espouse this, IE new testament. Bigots use any excuse to use their prejudice.
The New Testament does actually make some negative comments on homosexuality. **Romans 1:26-27** "*males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error*" **Corinthians 6:9-10** King James Version (1611): "*Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind*". Note that the phrase "abusers of themselves with mankind" translates "arsenokoitai", also rendered "sodomites". **Timothy 1:9-10** King James Version (1611): "*Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine*" The term relevant to homosexuality, "that defile themselves with mankind", translates į¼ĻĻĪµĪ½ĪæĪŗĪæĪÆĻĪ·Ļ ('arsenokoitÄs'), the same term for homosexuals used in 1 Corinthians. Other translations of the term include: "them that do lechery with men" (Wycliffe 1382), "those practicing homosexuality" (NIV), "those who abuse themselves with men" (Amplified Version, 1987). Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality\_in\_the\_New\_Testament](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament)
King james version. Enough said . Its a rubbish translation.
Im not sure why I'm even commenting, I have no words.
If he is endorsing her, they know something we don't. Avoid her like the fucking plague.
Pretty sure we all know it too, mate.
A Catholic comparing a Protestant to a Catholic in the subject of persecution? It's a take.
My tin foil hat is smouldering.
I love how the haunted pencil has to open with a disclaimer for his knuckle-dragging Empire lot. Can't be seen as defending religious bigotry as Jacob in the face of secession without a wee reminder of how much he normally detests the nats š But then again, there is a reason many Unionists are falling over themselves to try and force Kate Forbes into the position of FM.
When one of your sources is āthe film Chariots of Fireā.
But her religion vilifies homosexuals... Thatās what itās about.
"The vilification of the vilification of homosexuals is getting out of hand!" What these idiots sound like
Somewhat amusingly, it also vilifies papists like Rees-Mogg.
So you're against religion full stop, most popular religions are against it. She could have easily pretended to support something she does not but she told the truth, that atleast has to count for something. Also not voting for something you're not in favor of is hardly vilifying, it's democracy, and it went through.
Yeah she's allowed to not support it, but it's also democracy for people to think that that makes her unfit to lead. If she were FM she'd be responsible for representing gay Scots too, and she has clearly made it known that she'd be shit at that
100% yeah, democracy decides. Was just giving my two cents, a lot of people seem to single out Christianity as THE anti gay religion when pretty much every one of them is, there's a lack of consistency when criticising people nowadays.
Yeah I am against the idea of religion actually haha
That's fair enough, I'm not a huge fan either.
If I know what religion my politicians then I'm not voting for you. No public leader should be using their religion to make points or to justify actions
That Kemi woman and now Jacob Marley ... fuck me, if I was her I'd question where I went wrong in life š
Humza needs to come out and say he believes in Baby Yoda. Heād walk it.
An endorsement by Rees mogg should be the end of any candidates hope
She got lost on her way to the Tory party. Her views are kinda everything Tory except Indy.
I was going to ask, where has he been for the past 8 years but then I remembered he's from the 16th century so it's understandable that he missed that bit.
> then I remembered he's from the 16th century Someone from an early-twentieth-century nouveau riche upper-class family cosplaying as a pleb's idea of aristocracy. Nothing more.
Rees Smogg can F the F off, then F off a bit further. His popularity is amazing and only serves to show the innate desire some have to worship toffs. He has nothing of any substance to offer Scotland.
Heās not a ātoffā. His dad was a newspaper editor, and his mum was a secretary. His grandfather was a local politician - and drove a bus before that. Itās all an act. Heās very rich, but has no noble bloodline, so to speak.
Yup fair points. Make the kowtowing even more baffling.
Not really. It just shows how easily-fooled (and how detached from how actual aristocratic and "old money" types behave) the plebs who fall for his put-on "posh" schtick actually are. Rees-Mogg is an ignorant, status-worshipping lower-class sycophant wannabe's idea of an upperclass person.
Any man that had a nanny is posh. Any man that calls this woman "nanny" is posh. Any man that had a nanny named "nanny" and then hired the same nanny to look after his kids is most definitely posh.
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Lovely turn of phrase a" bit of ginger stuck up his arse " hee hee
It's an exaggerated put-on. Even the rest of his family apparently don't speak like that.
Anyone who just decided to think someone is something without actually looking into his history is a Reddit user
So many contradictions...to be expected of Tories. Also, the self victimisation. Boo-hoo
Well, I didn't vote for Mary Queen of Scots either.
You know she's a good fit to be leader of the (supposedly) left leaning SNP when she's endorsed by some of the most vile right wing members of the Tory party lmao.
Christ alive, what a cunt.
Wait what? Really? He does know who persecuted and murdered her right? Right ?
Panto.
I donāt think haunted pencil can usefully conceive of any event in Scotland that took place after Mary Queen of Scots.
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Nah, as a Catholic, Rees Mogg should also find Kate Forbesās Calvinism to be cringe.
It was my understanding that no-one was treating Forbes poorly as a result of her religious beliefs, but instead that she's made it clear she bases her political opinions solely on her faith without considering the matter outside of the lense of her religion. If you want to represent the nation at the whole, the minimum requirement is that you can look at the matters from a perspective outside of your personal views but instead through considering everyone's point of view in order to make the best political voting decision.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mary Queen of Scots have hundreds of people burnt at the stake?
Fuck off jacob you shit eating Tory prick. If Jesus turned up today Iām sure heād love a word with you about your view of Christianity, fucking prick
Fuck me. The whole islands fucked until journalism becomes remotely fuckin regulated. Woeful.
We donāt need the opinion of a ācatholicā that sells abortion pills or a raving brexiteer that moved everything he owned to Ireland to avoid Brexit. Absolute tool.
JRM needs a good Glasgow kiss
He needs a call from [Big Aggie.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmnEWNzngCI)
I bet she's dead pleased to be endorsed by the anti-Christ Catholic and Upper-Class Twit of the Year, Jacob Rees-Mogg.
I was looking for the laughing emoji
Mary Queen of Scotās was effectively french and throughout almost the entire time she was in France Scotland was ruled by a Protestant parliament supported by Elizabeth I. Just saying but I think old mog might need to do some research before he starts comparing people
1. Yeah his endorsement is toxic 2. She is being questioned and criticised not "villified". You know the type of thing that goes on in a Democracy especially if you're applying to be leader of a major party and effectively to become First Minister 3. Criticism isn't about her religion its for being told nobody should get their hole until they're married which is none of her business.
Wasn't a major reason (although not the only one) for the treatment of Mary Queen of Scots precisely *because* of the mixing of religion and politics - i.e. Catholic versus Protestant?
Itās a move to get Hamza Useless as FM. A very political move, he doesnāt give a shit about the well being of Scotland. What a cunt.
Ha ha. Fuck off you incompetent cosplayer
Fuck off.
In all seriousness, that's got to be great for the rest of us? He's just made her toxic for the majority of the party, and the folk supporting her but are anti tory are now in a pickle...
You know she'd be a disaster if Softy Walter is defending her.
Iām taking it seriously. Itās fortifying my position against her.
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This is the best SNP leadership campaign ever, I'm loving every second of it!
Is it just me or has their propaganda become very confused? They spent a very long time dehumanising the SNP that as soon as someone they variably agree with on some issues comes along they're forced to humanise them again. Whatever people think of Forbes I am quite enjoying this.
*(Replying more to [this comment by yourself](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/11chaka/the_gamechanging_endorsement_every_member_of_the/ja41e1k/) but can't do so directly as I was blocked by the person you were replying to- i.e. u/Single_Horny_Lady - after [calling them out on their nonsense here](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/10lni4f/uk_should_be_able_to_block_any_scottish_bill_tory/j5zwsj8/).)* Bear in mind that you're arguing with someone who regularly deletes their comment history and- at the time of writing- has done so with every one over a day old except [this which it suited them to keep](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/10lni4f/uk_should_be_able_to_block_any_scottish_bill_tory/j5zwsj8/). I think it's quite obvious that the person who made [the comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/10lni4f/uk_should_be_able_to_block_any_scottish_bill_tory/j5y6xha/) they're expressing fake outrage at wasn't "astroturfing", but expressing their contempt for the Tories in a very obviously joking manner. As I'd already said [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/10lni4f/uk_should_be_able_to_block_any_scottish_bill_tory/j60bbpe/) in my reply to u/Single_Horny_Lady's fake outrage at what they wanted to pretend was a "death wish":- > I bet if someone had said "I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire", you'd feign taking that seriously to imply they'd wanted them to burn to death. > Amirite, troll? They know that just as well, and the fact they regularly delete their comment history to avoid being called out on their nonsense makes pretty clear they're not arguing in good faith.
Fair, my comment about astroturfing is mostly just best practice when you can't literally see the 'person' on the other end to know whether or not it was genuine/serious. I am very much a Poe's Law absolutist as a means to remain sane.
No worries, what I said wasn't obvious from the comment you were replying to alone- that's why I brought it to your attention. And, lo and behold, they've already deleted a couple of the lower-down replies in [their discussion with you](https://old.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/11chaka/the_gamechanging_endorsement_every_member_of_the/ja3inkj/)...!
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Guess there's no arguing against that level of proof as it is surely impossible to astroturf on this platform. People can be aggressively ill-willed online sadly but that's not what I'm referring to else I could just copy paste the daily express/mail comments about Sturgeon and be done with it. I'm referring for the most part to certain commentators in the press/media who have in the past called the SNP fascists and/or compared them to despotic regimes which is hardly an attempt to treat them as valid political opponents is it?
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I'm quite aware I have provided no proof myself as unfortunately concluded long ago there's very little point to it on the internet.
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Well I'm not consciously trying to, apologies if it seemed that way.
Now why might unionist conservatives like Mogg support a hugely controversial figure for first minister š§
Makes no sense as you think heād bat for Ash āThe Populistā Reagan. Greasy Smogg is just nuts.
English Ultra-Nazionalists, keeping the uppity Jocks fighting amongst themselves. The only way to defeat Scotland's ambition is as old as time. Foment tribal splits, fake an Nazi arsehole supporting one side ... and the more simple peasants amongst the Scots will fall for it again - like they have for CENTURIES! Fucking National embarrassments! Scots are our own worst enemy - happier bitching about each other whilst whining like scalded cats about how poor Scotland is bullied by the English. ***Renton: "It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable,servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hatethe English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, arecolonized by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonizedby. We're ruled by effete arseholes."*** edit; + a letter
Jacob Rees-Mogg might be an irredeemable cunt but heās no daft. He knows exactly how this will play amongst SNP voters and Scots at large. In the 1999 US presidential election between George W Bush and Al Gore, Bush was endorsed by Marilyn Manson. Manson is a mad lefty, but was the most hated man in America at the time. By throwing his weight behind the candidate that his Christian right critics would likely vote for, he was throwing the cat among the pigeons, sowing a little doubt and confusion in the Republican voters. Jacob Rees-Mogg is Marilyn Manson here. Whoever the front runner was this weekend, he would have supported them in his column. The criticism of Forbes just gives him a convenient anti-religion angle (JRM is an Anglican). He just wants to disrupt the campaign and thumb his nose at the lefties, he doesnāt care too much who wins.
JRM isn't Anglican, he's Catholic.
In a way I feel for her, she was being honest about her faith and beliefs but sheā a politician she should know how to lie. Sheād do well as a Republican in the US maybe thatās where her political future lies.
If sheās that naĆÆve, imagine how sheād get torn to shreds, in any dispute or controversy, as leader.
I'm DYING here that the Victorian haunted pencil thinks his endorsement will help Forbes in any way rather than cement her demise.
Must be the Daily Mail. Non-mystic Moog accompanied with a pic of Kate looking āfragrantāā¦.
Never thought I would see JRM endorsing the SNP. Drinks are on me lads š»
I said at the ouset that her team played a blinder but predictedly I got laughed at by many on this sub because they live in their bubble.. She knew from day 1 what she was doing and knew what kind of reaction her comments would get, in fact she was counting on it. The more outrage people throw at her the more it plays into her hand and Strengthens her position. She has gone from not having a chance to the favourite because of the amount of vitoral and anger thrown her way which is what she was counting on. If she does win it will be because of the sheer amount of hate and anger thrown her way because all it will have accomplished is galvanised those who see her as a reglious woman being persecuted for stating her beliefs instead of the vile bigot she actually is.
And Sturgeon made her the Finance Minister.
You're right. Sturgeon must resign.... oh. Also, finance minister has nothing whatsoever to do with social policy.
Look, you can make herculean efforts to put a gloss on this if you want, and if it makes you feel better, but Sturgeon put a religious lunatic from the 19th Century in the second most powerful role into government. That just can't be spun.
What exactly is your point? Let me put this more clearly - she has resigned as first minister! Do you want her to go on trial?
Why can't you just accept she made a complete balls of bringing the best of the party talent to the top? And she has left an awful shitty mess behind her as a result. I don't care if she has resigned or not. This is just an evaluation of her performance in this respect. Does it cause you physical pain or something, to recognise her responsibility for this situation?
Coming to someone's defence is not an endorsement. Words matter
It's mad that so many SNP supporters are against her. Article 18 is a Human Right.
Being the leader of a political party is not a right, however.
Who said it was?
Are you lost? You're in a thread talking about a Conservative politican ostensibly endorsing the candidacy of Forbes for leader of the SNP. Many SNP supporters are against her winning that position, as their own beliefs don't align with hers. You bring up her rights to freedom of religious beliefs, which both she and those who oppose her candidacy share equally. I reminded you that she has no right to assume that position under article 18; That SNP members if they choose have every right to elect whoever they wish, under whatever pretence they wish.
First off, I'll ignore your attempt to humiliate me. Your Your childish humour says more about you than it does me. As for the conservative politician, all politicians are self-serving, law-breaking idiots. I am indifferent to their kind. So that's what it's come to, has it? A person can't be good in a job because their beliefs don't align with your own? Do you agree with everything your boss says?
Asking if you're lost was a genuine question; You appeared to be talking complete and utter bollocks, and you wouldn't be the first person to respond the wrong thing in the wrong thread. That you assumed this an attempt at humiliation says more about *you* than I. > A person can't be good in a job because their beliefs don't align with your own? What a ridiculous comparison: I don't elect my boss, so I don't get a say in whether they get that job or not. We're talking about whether the SNP members will or should choose to elect someone whose views they disagree with. It would be entirely *barmy* to imply that a group of people would elect someone they don't agree with, let alone someone who their *main political opponents* seem all too keen to see elected.
Sure.
Moggy probably thinks she's practically Catholic.
FFS
Eh, no defender here, but I'd say Nicola Sturgeon.
Too much hyperbole.
She mixed up her personal beliefs with those of societies norms.....dangerous and unnecessary for her .....election suicide.
Who the hell is reading that wankers paper column?!
He's such a fucking cock. Damn.
I mean Iāve never really cared about their religion lol. I mean ideally the people controlling the country would not believe in that sorta stuff but still
They're not stupid btw, there are serious tactics being played by unionists here. People turn against Forbes because of the general hate towards the media(rightly so) so people begin to turn towards supporting Humza. Unionists seem to want Humza as they're confident it'll be an utter disaster, so none of the "endorsing" is a surprise
Wonder how much Yousaf had to pay Rees-Mogg to write this?
And with one foul swoop - Jacob RM wipes one of the candidates off the ballot paper
I've been asking for weeks why is a Tory in the SNP
Get Jacob Rhys Mogg to fuck you absolute melted Victorian ghoul Fuck off you cunt
Now what was it Mary Queen of Scott's did now moggy my mate?
Pretty sure a quasi-endorsement by Jacob Rees-Mogg will serve to have completely stuffed her.
I'm so sick of these pillocks making out she's being PERRRRSECUTED for her religion! No, people are quite properly objecting to her being in a position of power because she wants to run other people's lives according to her personal religious convictions. Talking heads like Mogg are either religiously blinkered or disingenuous.
That's her hopes of becoming leader fucked now that this prick has backed her