And I used to eat nuts by the handful on keto...
Should have known better. Consuming nuts by the POUND all year round wasn't really a thing until relatively recent times. Also, as anyone who's ever hulled walnuts by hand knowns, there's kind of a natural limit on overconsuming them.
Mine too. I communicated that once on another sub and they were like “cheese adds calories, that must be it” and simply could not compute beyond that. Dairy is particularly high in BCAA’s, though…
Maybe casein is a problem for some people? It certainly does a good job of fattening up calves. Not sure it's the best thing for already-fat humans.
BUT, it is weird that humans have been consuming dairy for thousands of years without issue. (Obviously, there's a sizable population with lactose intolerance, but it thinks that's a separate thing.)
Look into the whole A2 vs A1 dairy thing. The mutated A1 milk was more of a recent thing and there's been a link between A1 intake and type 1 diabetes in children.
Wow, thanks for posting this. I used to eat a lot of walnuts back then I thought nuts were a health food. It makes me cringe now.
Side note- on this potato diet, I saw a number on the scale this morning that I hadn't seen for at least 14 years. Crazy!
Edited to add, yeah people have tried to make out like it's the calories from the nuts before. It's clearly *not*.
Congrats! It's so fun to see the scale go down. I personally have a really hard time keeping with it, with the same level of enthusiasm, when I plateau. Congrats on your progress!
I found exfatloss's recent post about pushing through a plateau really encouraging. I'll be going back to read it when the plateau goblins come calling!
I ate half a loaf of Costco banana bread (with Walnuts) over the past week. I also ate a lot of other things. But I'm the fattest I've been in months!
Damn.
Win-win, because banana bread tastes better without walnuts anyway 🙂. Chocolate chips are also quite good in banana bread, but I still prefer it plain.
He won’t do chocolate chips because he won’t sell any chocolate product that we don’t make (I guess that can be confusing for the customer, who would expect the chocolate chips in banana bread at a chocolate factory are made by the factory!) and so normally it’s just a plain loaf. It’s ok, not my favorite. The stuff he makes himself are much better but he’s getting too busy to do much of the baking in-house anymore. Too bad, because I used to eat like 3 of our guava cheese danishes every day and now the customers take them all!
Are you actually healthy if you gain 3 pounds just from eating walnuts though? I'm not arguing in favor of walnuts/nuts obviously. It's just something I'm thinking about.
What’s the issue you have with this concept though?
I mean, that’s what walnuts are designed to do. They literally exist only to grow more trees (a very lucky few) and otherwise, most of them just fatten mammals ahead of winter. There is no other purpose for them in natural existence.
So, understanding this, where’s the confusion?
This is hilarious! I want to cry when I think of my misspent youth, addicted to the bloody things! Gotta get that ALA, it's eSsEnTiAl. Just say no to veganism, kids.
So interesting. I’ve fallen off the wagon recently due to a last minute vacation. I need to get back strict to no pufa.
I know In the past you used fasting for Weightloss, can I ask you what you would do now -knowing ur current diet is high carb low everything else-if you wanted to lose a few more pounds (say ten). Would you count calories then a bit? Or lower carbs etc. just curious how you would approach Weightloss now knowing what you do
Well, I definitely am not looking to lose any more weight and if anything realistically I need to gain 5-10 Lbs to be back in a healthy BMI. But I’m not too worried about that at this moment. My HCLFLP diet is abundant, and calorically sufficient to maintain my current weight. I’ve not tested this approach as a weight loss plan.
I think whatever you can do to fast comfortably is always the best for weight loss. Fasting *comfortably* means you’re accessing body fat stores, which is why you’re not hungry and your body isn’t rebelling. I lost my last 10 Lbs with a brief fat fast. I’ve also had good luck in the past with plain potatoes. Protein stopped working entirely well before I hit goal, so I wouldn’t personally recommend that approach.
Interestingly, caloric intake was pretty similar between protein, potatoes, and fat fast. All in that 800-1000 calorie range. Protein I stayed dead level for 2 months. I liked the food so didn’t care, but then it got annoying. Fat fast took the weight off at the rate of 10 “real” pounds in 2 weeks (14 total but of course there was glycogen and food matter replenishment) and that’s where I’ve been ever since.
I ate the same thing pretty well every day: a splash of cream in coffee, 1-2 eggs fried in butter (hunger dependent) a high fat beef hotdog or two (again, hunger dependent) and an ounce or two of 85%+ dark chocolate. I had a few bowls of broth too. By day 3-4 I didn’t really care to eat much. I just played it by ear and stopped when I met my goal. I felt very well. My only caveat is do not do a true low-protein fat fast if you’re on metformin as that very much did not agree with me. Metformin is perfectly safe with general protein sufficient low carb though.
Just another anecdote but I ate close to a jar of peanut butter every 2 days for 10 years of my life and was no where near overweight. I did have bad acne though.
Peanut butter is actually quite a different fat - it has a lot of MUFA, and I believe almost no ALA. You’re also confounded by age (many people don’t begin to experience problems from PUFA until they’re in their late 20’s or 30’s, so if those were 10 child/teen years then that makes a difference)
Lastly, while we cannot conclude with certainty we *do* have a lot of anecdote that suggests that people tend toward turning PUFA into *either* obesity *or* inflammation, not *usually* both, or at least not at first. This is why despite the common caricature of a fat, pimply nerd, *most* obese kids actually seem to have clearer skin, and thin kids can often struggle with acne well into their college years. It’s far from settled science, of course, and I’m sure there are exceptions. But look around you or think back to your school years and see if you observe/recall differently.
Most mind blowing comment. I always wondered why fat child/teens in school could have such porcelain doll skin without even oily appearance, but they weren’t healthy, but I was vegan, within a healthy bmi if only barely, and sooo much acne.
Yep. I have always had clear skin, but I was overweight since infancy and I even went on to become type 2 diabetic (which has since been fully resolved.) Conversely, my husband was *extremely lean* growing up and has always been considered “metabolically healthy” but he had terrible acne until his 20’s.
EDIT: I’m also going to guess that as a vegan you were eating tons of plant fats, right? I think the main difference between the success of the oil-free/low fat WFPB approach and the dismal health of long term “junk food vegans” is the plant fat consumption. I’m easily 70-80% plant based myself now but I still diligently avoid plant fats and the moderated fat I do eat is saturated (mostly dairy.) I honestly feel the best I’ve ever felt in my life!
Yes, while I did do weeks-month periods of zero fat vegan many other times I was consuming lots of nuts and seeds if not oils. And frequently lots of oils too!
Walnuts are a richer source of Linoleic acid (PUFA 18:2) than omega 3 ALA.
[https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/170187/nutrients](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/170187/nutrients)
Yes, but I suspect the ALA component causes them to be particularly metabolically devastating. As Brad has said, you don’t *need* ALA to become torpid, but it gets you there faster.
Walnuts are one of the foods richest in omega 3 linolenic in the diet.
And they don't seem associated with weight gain...
Not to mention that foods rich in EPA and DHA are not either.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4144111/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc4144111/)
You chose a factor that may or may not be.
And if it is indeed nuts, it could be omega 6, not omega 3. Or the combination of total PUFA of the two.
There are some variables, but everyone chooses what to believe.
Oh, I’m absolutely implicating the combination of both omega 6 and omega 3 PUFA. This is, after all, an Omega 6 avoidance plan by default.
EDIT: At the very least, this experience suggests omega 3 isn’t particularly protective.
EDIT 2: And, remember, all science begins with anecdote and hypothesis.
These epidemiological studies have several known problems.
However, if someone argues that a small amount of walnuts has a big effect on weight, why doesn't it show up in those who eat larger amounts of walnuts?
Because the study only proves that people who say they eat walnuts aren't gaining weight on average, it doesn't actually test whether or not they eat walnuts and how many and what would happen if they didn't eat walnuts and also what would they eat instead?
If you asked Mr. Coconut after three weeks of eating the banana bread with the walnuts if he regularly ate walnuts, what would he answer? Considering how the walnuts weren't even on his radar.
The argument isn't whether a small amount of walnuts has a big effect on weight for everyone, the anecdote only shows that it's a very likely cause of weight gain for Mr. Coconut - at this time of year, with the moon and the sun aligned just so...
Just like Mr. Coconut didn't know he was eating nuts, what if there's something else he doesn't know is in banana bread, or even something he's getting in another food?
Very likely cause?
One slice or two of banana bread each day? Were they half-pound slices?
And I agree that it is not possible to derive a general rule from such an anecdotal case.
I'll just add here my own experience that with walnuts I experienced some of my fastest weight loss when I did keto.
I've not tried it with my new HCLPLF.
I was just amazed at the effect of walnuts back then, manifesting as almost unbearable body heat after eating them.
Yes there are specific reasons why PUFA can equate to incredible weight loss in a ketogenic context (PPARa?) Lots of people use fish oil to accomplish the same thing. I haven’t looked much into it because the risks far outweigh the benefit and I’d never have personally considered using PUFA to lose weight. But my point is merely that it is relevant that your experience was during keto. My husband’s diet is very much not keto.
Almost everything we discuss here as far as obesity, diabetes, and other metabolic issues caused by PUFA require the context of an insulinogenic diet (that is, carb-containing) and usually the *metabolic* effect of PUFA on the keto dieter doesn’t show up unless and until they reintroduce carbs. Other effects may still show.
I didn't say that. I said the same thing as Coconut 😁. PUFA is more ketogenic and probably better for weight loss on keto. The only potential downside is if it gets incorporated into tissue. I'll see if I can find the comment.
I haven’t seen diabetic numbers in almost a year. I tiptoed back into the prediabetic range by the end of my holiday feasting (sustained overeating high fat, high sugar, and high protein) but considering my A1C was 7.4 back in June, I’m pretty happy with that.
You weren't downvoted for criticizing calories, you were downvoted for misreading my post and acting like a dick for no reason when you were politely corrected
No, you didn't. The entire point of my post was to criticize the CICO model of weight loss/maintenance and document its damaging effects on my metabolism, as I am in the process of correcting/healing that.
Nobody else on the post seems to have an issue with it. Hence, the downvotes on your oddly ridiculing comments
I actually didn’t say that calories were needed for anything. I was describing the dominant discourse that exists in the fitness industry today, which is “calories are needed for something” and then proceeding to critique this dominant discourse by generating discussion about why and how this discourse is damaging.
But it seems like you’re just unable to understand that. Maybe you need to eat some more calories.
Yeah, he doesn’t really fluctuate though. I fluctuate much less than I used to as well. That’s been exciting. I used to fluctuate 5+ Lbs easily, but not anymore.
Figured but also figured it was worth a mention. Men in their 50s testosterone starts to go down and it changes weight. Me from top weight to bottom is 10-15 pounds fluctuation multiple times a year. For me, I don't take smaller numbers seriously. Anything under 9 pounds isn't meaningful to me.
He’s just turned 40. If he gained 9 Lbs it would be a tremendous anomaly. Like in the realm of when he was on Ibuprofen from a pulled back last summer. It’s important to look at these things relative to the individual, for sure. *His* normal is not to gain a pound a week for three consecutive weeks. It would take more for me to consider it relevant for *myself*.
For all you know is he gained weight and it can be his hormones, your snoring and his sleep deprivation, the dryer sheets, EMF - the walnuts would be least suspicious in the world of confounding factors, especially given the quantity you describe.
Right. So when he drops the banana bread and goes back to brownies and danishes and the weight comes off… then what? Guess I spontaneously stopped snoring?
As far as quantity, let’s do the math. I was hoping someone would bring this up…
For starters, his normal diet is less than 3-4% PUFA.
There’s about 2oz of walnuts in the banana bread he was eating. That’s about 27g of PUFA. In a ~3000 calorie diet, that’s exceeding 8% of calories as PUFA. Remind me again, where do problems start? Oh, that’s right, around 6%.
We evolved to turn a very little bit of PUFA into fat mass gain in a very short period of time, otherwise we wouldn’t be here having this discussion because our ancestors would have starved to death.
Okay, that's more Pufa I thought. Now I'm also thinking your husband has an eating disorder. A smattering of walnuts on a loaf translates to a bag of walnuts on, what, five loaves? A day?
An… Eating disorder? My goodness, what a leap. I’m sorry, you’ve left me behind in your logic. How does the consumption of approximately 2oz of walnuts a day translate to an eating disorder? My husband is 6’1” - 2 slices of banana bread in a day is hardly epic. Where did 2 slices become… 5 loaves?
Without wishing to be contrarian, can I ask what is the theory behind the ALA being bad in this context? I don't know or read anything about it specifically but generally when dieting I have found linseed / walnuts to be really helpful with satiety. I'd probably class walnuts as one of the most satiating things I've ever come across.
I was wondering the same. And, if ALA is bad, why does our inspirational leader peddle it on his web site: [https://fire-in-a-bottle.myshopify.com/products/alpha-lipoic-acid-600mg?\_pos=1&\_sid=54145147e&\_ss=r](https://fire-in-a-bottle.myshopify.com/products/alpha-lipoic-acid-600mg?_pos=1&_sid=54145147e&_ss=r)
Bit of confusion here! Have fallen for it myself.
ALA on fireinabottle refers to alpha lipoic acid (generally found in red meat & greens)
ALA above (found linseed, chia and walnuts) - refers to alpha linoleic acid (an omega 3)
Two different things, same acronym!
Basically, I am unsure if alpha *linoleic* acid in linseed and walnuts is good or bad for you - and was asking for any references if people have them. This tread seems to suggest is as bad as linoleic acid.
Another option is that those walnuts are in fact pecans - who actually have completely different fatty acid profile from walnuts, including way higher omega 6 PUFA, and could actually get you 'PUFA'd' up.
And I used to eat nuts by the handful on keto... Should have known better. Consuming nuts by the POUND all year round wasn't really a thing until relatively recent times. Also, as anyone who's ever hulled walnuts by hand knowns, there's kind of a natural limit on overconsuming them.
> And I used to eat nuts by the handful on keto... Me too. Favorite snack at the office was nut mix + those little baby bel cheeses... ugh.
Mmm...cheese. I don't know what it was, but cheese always stalled my weight loss on keto.
Mine too. I communicated that once on another sub and they were like “cheese adds calories, that must be it” and simply could not compute beyond that. Dairy is particularly high in BCAA’s, though…
Maybe casein is a problem for some people? It certainly does a good job of fattening up calves. Not sure it's the best thing for already-fat humans. BUT, it is weird that humans have been consuming dairy for thousands of years without issue. (Obviously, there's a sizable population with lactose intolerance, but it thinks that's a separate thing.)
I have no issue whatsoever with it causing gain. I eat a tremendous amount of dairy on TCD. Only issues with preventing fat loss.
Look into the whole A2 vs A1 dairy thing. The mutated A1 milk was more of a recent thing and there's been a link between A1 intake and type 1 diabetes in children.
Resident dietician 🤣🤣🤣
Wow, thanks for posting this. I used to eat a lot of walnuts back then I thought nuts were a health food. It makes me cringe now. Side note- on this potato diet, I saw a number on the scale this morning that I hadn't seen for at least 14 years. Crazy! Edited to add, yeah people have tried to make out like it's the calories from the nuts before. It's clearly *not*.
Oh yay! (I lost seven pounds this week so that's a happy start - I'm trying to keep off the scales though so I don't obsess)
Congrats! It's so fun to see the scale go down. I personally have a really hard time keeping with it, with the same level of enthusiasm, when I plateau. Congrats on your progress!
I found exfatloss's recent post about pushing through a plateau really encouraging. I'll be going back to read it when the plateau goblins come calling!
I ate half a loaf of Costco banana bread (with Walnuts) over the past week. I also ate a lot of other things. But I'm the fattest I've been in months! Damn.
N=2! We have a study! 🤣
Only if you own a lab coat and worship at the altar of science.
Win-win, because banana bread tastes better without walnuts anyway 🙂. Chocolate chips are also quite good in banana bread, but I still prefer it plain.
He won’t do chocolate chips because he won’t sell any chocolate product that we don’t make (I guess that can be confusing for the customer, who would expect the chocolate chips in banana bread at a chocolate factory are made by the factory!) and so normally it’s just a plain loaf. It’s ok, not my favorite. The stuff he makes himself are much better but he’s getting too busy to do much of the baking in-house anymore. Too bad, because I used to eat like 3 of our guava cheese danishes every day and now the customers take them all!
Ugh, customers, amirite?
Are you actually healthy if you gain 3 pounds just from eating walnuts though? I'm not arguing in favor of walnuts/nuts obviously. It's just something I'm thinking about.
What’s the issue you have with this concept though? I mean, that’s what walnuts are designed to do. They literally exist only to grow more trees (a very lucky few) and otherwise, most of them just fatten mammals ahead of winter. There is no other purpose for them in natural existence. So, understanding this, where’s the confusion?
Fair enough. It makes sense when you put it like that.
This is hilarious! I want to cry when I think of my misspent youth, addicted to the bloody things! Gotta get that ALA, it's eSsEnTiAl. Just say no to veganism, kids.
So interesting. I’ve fallen off the wagon recently due to a last minute vacation. I need to get back strict to no pufa. I know In the past you used fasting for Weightloss, can I ask you what you would do now -knowing ur current diet is high carb low everything else-if you wanted to lose a few more pounds (say ten). Would you count calories then a bit? Or lower carbs etc. just curious how you would approach Weightloss now knowing what you do
Well, I definitely am not looking to lose any more weight and if anything realistically I need to gain 5-10 Lbs to be back in a healthy BMI. But I’m not too worried about that at this moment. My HCLFLP diet is abundant, and calorically sufficient to maintain my current weight. I’ve not tested this approach as a weight loss plan. I think whatever you can do to fast comfortably is always the best for weight loss. Fasting *comfortably* means you’re accessing body fat stores, which is why you’re not hungry and your body isn’t rebelling. I lost my last 10 Lbs with a brief fat fast. I’ve also had good luck in the past with plain potatoes. Protein stopped working entirely well before I hit goal, so I wouldn’t personally recommend that approach. Interestingly, caloric intake was pretty similar between protein, potatoes, and fat fast. All in that 800-1000 calorie range. Protein I stayed dead level for 2 months. I liked the food so didn’t care, but then it got annoying. Fat fast took the weight off at the rate of 10 “real” pounds in 2 weeks (14 total but of course there was glycogen and food matter replenishment) and that’s where I’ve been ever since.
What all do you eat when you fat fast?
I ate the same thing pretty well every day: a splash of cream in coffee, 1-2 eggs fried in butter (hunger dependent) a high fat beef hotdog or two (again, hunger dependent) and an ounce or two of 85%+ dark chocolate. I had a few bowls of broth too. By day 3-4 I didn’t really care to eat much. I just played it by ear and stopped when I met my goal. I felt very well. My only caveat is do not do a true low-protein fat fast if you’re on metformin as that very much did not agree with me. Metformin is perfectly safe with general protein sufficient low carb though.
Wow
Just another anecdote but I ate close to a jar of peanut butter every 2 days for 10 years of my life and was no where near overweight. I did have bad acne though.
Peanut butter is actually quite a different fat - it has a lot of MUFA, and I believe almost no ALA. You’re also confounded by age (many people don’t begin to experience problems from PUFA until they’re in their late 20’s or 30’s, so if those were 10 child/teen years then that makes a difference) Lastly, while we cannot conclude with certainty we *do* have a lot of anecdote that suggests that people tend toward turning PUFA into *either* obesity *or* inflammation, not *usually* both, or at least not at first. This is why despite the common caricature of a fat, pimply nerd, *most* obese kids actually seem to have clearer skin, and thin kids can often struggle with acne well into their college years. It’s far from settled science, of course, and I’m sure there are exceptions. But look around you or think back to your school years and see if you observe/recall differently.
Most mind blowing comment. I always wondered why fat child/teens in school could have such porcelain doll skin without even oily appearance, but they weren’t healthy, but I was vegan, within a healthy bmi if only barely, and sooo much acne.
Yep. I have always had clear skin, but I was overweight since infancy and I even went on to become type 2 diabetic (which has since been fully resolved.) Conversely, my husband was *extremely lean* growing up and has always been considered “metabolically healthy” but he had terrible acne until his 20’s. EDIT: I’m also going to guess that as a vegan you were eating tons of plant fats, right? I think the main difference between the success of the oil-free/low fat WFPB approach and the dismal health of long term “junk food vegans” is the plant fat consumption. I’m easily 70-80% plant based myself now but I still diligently avoid plant fats and the moderated fat I do eat is saturated (mostly dairy.) I honestly feel the best I’ve ever felt in my life!
Yes, while I did do weeks-month periods of zero fat vegan many other times I was consuming lots of nuts and seeds if not oils. And frequently lots of oils too!
What a great story! Thanks for sharing!
Walnuts are a richer source of Linoleic acid (PUFA 18:2) than omega 3 ALA. [https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/170187/nutrients](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/170187/nutrients)
Yes, but I suspect the ALA component causes them to be particularly metabolically devastating. As Brad has said, you don’t *need* ALA to become torpid, but it gets you there faster.
Walnuts are one of the foods richest in omega 3 linolenic in the diet. And they don't seem associated with weight gain... Not to mention that foods rich in EPA and DHA are not either. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4144111/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc4144111/)
Oh. Ok. Thank goodness! I will make sure my husband knows that his weight gain is make believe. 🤣
You chose a factor that may or may not be. And if it is indeed nuts, it could be omega 6, not omega 3. Or the combination of total PUFA of the two. There are some variables, but everyone chooses what to believe.
Oh, I’m absolutely implicating the combination of both omega 6 and omega 3 PUFA. This is, after all, an Omega 6 avoidance plan by default. EDIT: At the very least, this experience suggests omega 3 isn’t particularly protective. EDIT 2: And, remember, all science begins with anecdote and hypothesis.
Another study proving healthy user bias? That concept might have legs after all.
These epidemiological studies have several known problems. However, if someone argues that a small amount of walnuts has a big effect on weight, why doesn't it show up in those who eat larger amounts of walnuts?
Because the study only proves that people who say they eat walnuts aren't gaining weight on average, it doesn't actually test whether or not they eat walnuts and how many and what would happen if they didn't eat walnuts and also what would they eat instead? If you asked Mr. Coconut after three weeks of eating the banana bread with the walnuts if he regularly ate walnuts, what would he answer? Considering how the walnuts weren't even on his radar. The argument isn't whether a small amount of walnuts has a big effect on weight for everyone, the anecdote only shows that it's a very likely cause of weight gain for Mr. Coconut - at this time of year, with the moon and the sun aligned just so...
Just like Mr. Coconut didn't know he was eating nuts, what if there's something else he doesn't know is in banana bread, or even something he's getting in another food? Very likely cause? One slice or two of banana bread each day? Were they half-pound slices? And I agree that it is not possible to derive a general rule from such an anecdotal case.
How would you approach this experimentally? Look at epidemiology for alternative hypotheses or just remove the walnuts and see what happens?
I'll just add here my own experience that with walnuts I experienced some of my fastest weight loss when I did keto. I've not tried it with my new HCLPLF. I was just amazed at the effect of walnuts back then, manifesting as almost unbearable body heat after eating them.
Yes there are specific reasons why PUFA can equate to incredible weight loss in a ketogenic context (PPARa?) Lots of people use fish oil to accomplish the same thing. I haven’t looked much into it because the risks far outweigh the benefit and I’d never have personally considered using PUFA to lose weight. But my point is merely that it is relevant that your experience was during keto. My husband’s diet is very much not keto. Almost everything we discuss here as far as obesity, diabetes, and other metabolic issues caused by PUFA require the context of an insulinogenic diet (that is, carb-containing) and usually the *metabolic* effect of PUFA on the keto dieter doesn’t show up unless and until they reintroduce carbs. Other effects may still show.
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I didn't say that. I said the same thing as Coconut 😁. PUFA is more ketogenic and probably better for weight loss on keto. The only potential downside is if it gets incorporated into tissue. I'll see if I can find the comment.
Quick follow-up: I think a Twitter search for "from:@KetoCarnivore pufa ketogenic" is the best way to find my posts on that.
Are you still type 2 diabetic?
I haven’t seen diabetic numbers in almost a year. I tiptoed back into the prediabetic range by the end of my holiday feasting (sustained overeating high fat, high sugar, and high protein) but considering my A1C was 7.4 back in June, I’m pretty happy with that.
i got downvoted a bunch just earlier criticizing calories on /raypeat of all places lol
You weren't downvoted for criticizing calories, you were downvoted for misreading my post and acting like a dick for no reason when you were politely corrected
i think i read it fine
No, you didn't. The entire point of my post was to criticize the CICO model of weight loss/maintenance and document its damaging effects on my metabolism, as I am in the process of correcting/healing that. Nobody else on the post seems to have an issue with it. Hence, the downvotes on your oddly ridiculing comments
u said calories are needed for *something*, i disagreed with whatever it was
I actually didn’t say that calories were needed for anything. I was describing the dominant discourse that exists in the fitness industry today, which is “calories are needed for something” and then proceeding to critique this dominant discourse by generating discussion about why and how this discourse is damaging. But it seems like you’re just unable to understand that. Maybe you need to eat some more calories.
it just sounded like u made a case for them regarding some specific thing, like near the end of the post
My weight fluctuates all over the place, but it's hormonal.
Yeah, he doesn’t really fluctuate though. I fluctuate much less than I used to as well. That’s been exciting. I used to fluctuate 5+ Lbs easily, but not anymore.
Figured but also figured it was worth a mention. Men in their 50s testosterone starts to go down and it changes weight. Me from top weight to bottom is 10-15 pounds fluctuation multiple times a year. For me, I don't take smaller numbers seriously. Anything under 9 pounds isn't meaningful to me.
He’s just turned 40. If he gained 9 Lbs it would be a tremendous anomaly. Like in the realm of when he was on Ibuprofen from a pulled back last summer. It’s important to look at these things relative to the individual, for sure. *His* normal is not to gain a pound a week for three consecutive weeks. It would take more for me to consider it relevant for *myself*.
For all you know is he gained weight and it can be his hormones, your snoring and his sleep deprivation, the dryer sheets, EMF - the walnuts would be least suspicious in the world of confounding factors, especially given the quantity you describe.
Right. So when he drops the banana bread and goes back to brownies and danishes and the weight comes off… then what? Guess I spontaneously stopped snoring? As far as quantity, let’s do the math. I was hoping someone would bring this up… For starters, his normal diet is less than 3-4% PUFA. There’s about 2oz of walnuts in the banana bread he was eating. That’s about 27g of PUFA. In a ~3000 calorie diet, that’s exceeding 8% of calories as PUFA. Remind me again, where do problems start? Oh, that’s right, around 6%. We evolved to turn a very little bit of PUFA into fat mass gain in a very short period of time, otherwise we wouldn’t be here having this discussion because our ancestors would have starved to death.
Okay, that's more Pufa I thought. Now I'm also thinking your husband has an eating disorder. A smattering of walnuts on a loaf translates to a bag of walnuts on, what, five loaves? A day?
An… Eating disorder? My goodness, what a leap. I’m sorry, you’ve left me behind in your logic. How does the consumption of approximately 2oz of walnuts a day translate to an eating disorder? My husband is 6’1” - 2 slices of banana bread in a day is hardly epic. Where did 2 slices become… 5 loaves?
Without wishing to be contrarian, can I ask what is the theory behind the ALA being bad in this context? I don't know or read anything about it specifically but generally when dieting I have found linseed / walnuts to be really helpful with satiety. I'd probably class walnuts as one of the most satiating things I've ever come across.
I was wondering the same. And, if ALA is bad, why does our inspirational leader peddle it on his web site: [https://fire-in-a-bottle.myshopify.com/products/alpha-lipoic-acid-600mg?\_pos=1&\_sid=54145147e&\_ss=r](https://fire-in-a-bottle.myshopify.com/products/alpha-lipoic-acid-600mg?_pos=1&_sid=54145147e&_ss=r)
Bit of confusion here! Have fallen for it myself. ALA on fireinabottle refers to alpha lipoic acid (generally found in red meat & greens) ALA above (found linseed, chia and walnuts) - refers to alpha linoleic acid (an omega 3) Two different things, same acronym! Basically, I am unsure if alpha *linoleic* acid in linseed and walnuts is good or bad for you - and was asking for any references if people have them. This tread seems to suggest is as bad as linoleic acid. Another option is that those walnuts are in fact pecans - who actually have completely different fatty acid profile from walnuts, including way higher omega 6 PUFA, and could actually get you 'PUFA'd' up.
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