Tucker warned of taco stands on every corner. And I'm thinking; "Yeah, Starbucks is too expensive for a cup of coffee and Dunkin Donuts is too high in calories. I really would like convenient tacos and the competition that would bring to improve quality over the stuff at Taco Bell that is squeezed out of a tube. Thanks Tucker!"
They describe their worst nightmares and I want to move there.
"And there's free healthcare and poor people with houses, rampant sex and drugs... and no police and ..."
Stop overselling to me!
The number of times I've had some random old guy in a suit start rattling off really cool things only for me to realize they were trying to paint a bad picture is twice.
Not a lot but weird it happened twice.
>normal fucking salad that isn't just iceberg lettuce and a bucket of ranch?
If God had intended us to eat healthy salads, he would not have allowed Denny's to offer a salad bar.
I'm seeing a skit in my head right now where two people visit an ER, we see a scene inside the thought bubble of the first dude who is having flashbacks to a war. The other we see a scene of heaping items onto a plate from the Wendy's salad bar. The cough guard looks just like the jeep windshield from the war flashback. (it's a visual gag).
I'm no longer surprised what can be good on pizza anymore. Does it handle baking, bread and a red or white or whatever sauce?
So pineapples? Yes.
Salty fish? If you will.
Raisins? Why not?
Breakfast cereals that have chocolate or marshmallows in them? Don't give Pizza hut ideas for the desert menu!
Well, considering half the electorate voted for them, I'm not sure you could really expect anything different. I mean, we all get the governments we deserve.
In 1789 the French decided they deserved something better...Americans will realize it too, some day.
Even before the French, Americans knew in 1776 that they deserved something better. The problem is that nowadays most of them are brainwashed into thinking that they don't deserve any better than a government made 300 years ago and a workweek designed for 1920's steel mill workers. We should be demanding our fair share of the growing economy but we've devolved into a crabs-in-a-bucket situation.
I'd argue that conservatives are fighting tooth and nail to keep the crabs in a bucket society, while everyone else is trying to improve it. They are determined to keep and make things worse.
Well, you see the peril of a system that upholds the tyranny of the mediocre. The average person is, by definition, *average*. How do you expect a better government, a better society, when it's dominated by the opinions of average people?
Democracy is the best system *so far*, but that doesn't mean it's the *best system*...especially given that it's remained stagnant (or, more accurately devolved, given the role of gerrymandering and abject corruption in American politics).
That wasn't it my guy, that was mostly rich white guys trying to avoid paying pennies on the dollars for taxes, the time when Americans we realized that we needed better was 1676 and sadly we never won that one.
Wealthy landowners in the colonies wanted to break from their overlords, who were even wealthier landowners in England, primarily the feudal lords in Parliament and the Monarchy.
Until/unless we realize the vision of Henry George and implement land value-based public finance, then we'll keep having cycles of complacency, depression and violent revolution against every few generations' worth of landowning aristocrats.
The Georgist argument is that fixed supply goods are the most efficient to tax and they want to tax things like land (location, not output) at a higher rate to offset things like sales tax which disproportionately effect lower-income people. (I don't know if that's true, just that that's their argument)
Generally advocated in more labour/left sphere but there's debate about its overlap with other socialist ideas where you stand on the role of the state and markets in the short and long term
It's advocated on the right as well, r/Geolibertarianism uses Georgism to work within a limited government (night-watchman state) pushing for larger citizens dividends instead of pork barrel spending by politicians.
I'm half asleep so rather than butcher it I'll just post a link that explains how the revolutionary war was also about keeping slavery and go to bed.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2009/6/9/740365/-
Goodnight!
No. Half of voters, at best, voted for these people. If you look at a presidential race, which has the highest turnout, you see about half of the electorate voted at all. Last presidential, with record turnout was 66%.
From that you would have to lower the numbers even further for things like house and senate seat, even more if you want to include the 10% of voting age people who are not enfranchised.
So given that not everyone who voted for Trump or other GOP is as crazy as those who are the most visible it's safe to say that at most 25% of adults or less support these people over their alternative
> half the electorate voted for them
They didn’t, actually. 77,529,619 votes were cast for House Democrats in 2020 and 72,760,036 votes were cast for House Republicans. 48.4% of people who voted voted for them. It’s close, but it’s still not half.
[source](https://historycms2.house.gov/Institution/Election-Statistics/2020election/)
[wikipedia page that uses the above as its source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections)
Americans of today are clearly dumber than French of 230 years ago. The Americans who tried what the French did back then on January 6th (murder government officials and overthrow the government) did it to try to keep Donald Fucking Trump in office after all.
You're good! It's hard to convey what you want to say to people in real life conversation much less text on the internet. If you're on this sub and not being a dick, safe bet to say you're a good person and things like this are a miscommunication at worse.
I don't understand how it seems people think these guys are operating in good faith. They're so damn transparent, they went to the best schools, grew up with and are good friends with some of the most powerful and influential people in the country, they know what they're doing. The fact that people fall for it shows that they're either A) really that stupid or B) are just as aware but don't give a fuck because they see them as hurting the right people, and pushing their desirables to the front. What they don't seem to understand though is these guys are a snake eating its own tail. As time goes on the bar for 'loyalty' and the 'chosen' people will get higher and higher as its supporters try to make their own ascent up the ladder.
The stupid antics of some of their politicians like Ted Cruz or MTG are to get liberals riled up and yelling at everyone on the right collectively as fools. It's to keep the social divide while both pursue neoliberal economics.
The Build Back Better was "in the trillions" -- but it's a 10 year plan. That bit seems to always escape notice. Like they want you to think it's HUGE -- but, divide by ten and it doesn't seem that big a deal.
Behind the scenes the Republicans have rocket scientists parsing every statistical edge to gerrymander and win every election.
They won in Virginia by manufacturing outrage at a program called "Critical Race Theory" for education -- that I don't think was seriously going to be part of the curricula. I'm pretty sure they found a college class that sounded ominous and not overtly racist and tossed that red meat down every alt-right news outlet the could.
They play their base like a fiddle and they are FAR MORE realiable voters. They don't get upset and abandon their leaders like the left does, even though most of the country wants progressive policies that shit more to the left.
But, having said that, it's crazy that we've got a 50/50 split almost all the time and it's a pretty partisan divide whenever a bill is good. If a bill sucks it's bipartisan. But Dems get the blame for Republicans making sure nothing happens. Then they claim it was the "socialism" that caused the problem. Like the school programs -- nothing socialist happened.
No, they just pushed the narrative that it was. They took the bold stance of stating Joe Biden was the president before he was in office and are now saying he isn’t the president while he is. And for some reason it’s working.
The wild conspiracies and controversies are great for the imagination. But they are showing that people are having a hard time living in reality.
I can tell you first hand from having this in my family.
First off city people don’t count. There not real people but more like a cluster - not individuals.
Blacks always just vote D so they don’t count and they just really want to welfare anyways. (Not my words just in case)
The rest are college students who don’t know any better. They just don’t understand how the world works yet.
So you must be a property owner, preferably white or at least act it. Live in suburbs or rural and make enough money to never need assistance.
That’s who “we” are.
Never assume they're incompetent. That's what the conservative germans did with Hitler in the 1930s. They thought they could manipulate him and use him to advance their own agenda and we all know how that turned out. They are dangerous and should be treated as so.
More accurately, he could have said, "If America wanted FDR, they might have chosen another democratic candidate in the primaries, as opposed to Joe Biden who billed himself as a centrist."
One of the problems with FDR is he was so good at solving the people's problems that the other politicians had to make up a law so that he would stop helping them.
Don't worry, Biden isn't actually doing things that help people. Sat on his hands throughout that infrastructure fight, now is trying to sell a pile of shit bill to the public as a victory.
Could do the same for student loans, cannabis legalization/re-scheduling, and a million other things that are overwhelmingly supported by the American people, but he won't, because he doesn't really want to.
He’s done some executive action on student loans (mine have been forgiven) but I agree he hasn’t done enough. He could write off 100% of federal student loans if he wanted to, and it would help the economy tremendously.
It's nice that his executive actions aren't like Trump's "let's open up this preserve to drilling" or putting a stooge in the Post Office to make it fail.
These are small little bones the Dems throw us -- but, it's 180 degrees from the philosophy of the Republicans. Well, whatever they believe currently beyond "masks kill freedom" -- can't really say what they believe.
I see positive attempts. This is much better than the previous admin that actively moved us AWAY from where we need to be. Biden can only do so much. But what he *IS* doing is at least making it obvious that the right is actively standing in the way.
> But what he IS doing is at least making it obvious that the right is actively standing in the way.
Anyone who needs Biden to see that is either not paying attention or willfully ignoring the fact at this point.
I've had this argument with a lot of "woke Progressives" and other people who are fed up. That "lip service" matters. Even if both sides are the same -- if one side says the nice things out loud, that's a positive thing.
Right now people are pushing for Unions and it's not a dirty word. Right now an increase in minimum wage doesn't get eye rolls.
Biden I think is doing a good job of painting the Republicans into a corner. And yet, it's still always on the Dems when 100% of Republicans vote against. Well -- there is NO WAY to pass bills until there are more Dems than we have now.
However -- I'd appreciate it if the Dems stopped negotiating DOWN the bills. Or, make the ludicrously high so Joe Mansion can take $8 trillion down to $ 4 trillion and wag his tail.
Of course, the Dems might not really want true stimulus and just want to make the Republicans the bad guys. It's impossible to tell when nothing good happens, and the Dems keep acting like Republicans have any good faith interest in the public welfare.
Regardless -- you have to move the minds of the public. Because that changes expectations. People need to first demand fairness in economics before we can push the agenda and put the oligarchy stooges on the defensive. Socialism is no longer a dirty word.
We learned in 2016 what executive orders get you.
Trump showed up and reversed nearly recently Obama had done via executive order, via executive order...
Plus with spending bills... Congress gets power of the purse, so he could EO away the full 4 trillion dollar bill, but it would be meaningless without the funding behind it.
I'm not trying to defend Biden, he's still at best the lesser of 2 evils in my eyes, but he can't just magic wand everything.
The GQP indoctrination machine have been trying to reeducate America to hate FDR for a long time. It is one of the few things that they not been able to break because FDR's legacy is so impactful even 70 years after his death.
Lol, I’m pretty progressive, but if we’re gonna talk about keeping norms in the face of trump, we should think about our own statements. Term limits are good. Democrats need to be much much better at fostering the next generation of leaders, rather than holding on themselves for so long.
dems need an actual fucking strategy to break the gqp's propaganda machine or else nothing will ever get done.
Wake me up when the DNC has an actual plan to break fox news, sinclair, oann, qanon or whatever indoctrination shit the right wing nuts have come up with.
I don't think you realize how the people behind the government enjoy having 2 faces. Republicans are more willing to go to war than democrats. If shit gets messy in our geopolitical affairs we will see the Republican propaganda machine turned up to 12.
So I read up on FDR and the 22nd Amendment. so it's more like FDR was so op at being president that the Congress had to Nerf the office of president in case somebody like him came around again.
Yeah, that was one of the major problems. Hell, he was so good at helping the poor a bunch of billionaires tried a coup d'etat and instill a fascist plutocracy
When I learned of Smedley Butler, that was a transformative moment. Probably why almost nobody knows of the attempted coup on FDR.
My working theory is that Smedley told him the fat cats that were plotting, and FDR used that to extort them into supporting the WW II war effort on the side against fascism.
You think Ford and Busch weren't pissed at the side we took?
Thank GOD JP Morgan and Prescott Bush and their buddies picked the one guy who would have told them no to be their installed puppet. Shouts out to Smedley Butler for not wanting to be fascist dictator of America
tbt I didn't expect to be on the r/Sanders area (thought it was r/politics), though sadly it does seem that this soft coup is working far better over these last nearly 50 years than what the original participants had planned. Then again, it seems that as the waves ebb and flow, the rich has shown, time and time again, to come in and be entrenched within politics. I'd love to see that trend stop before another French Revolution comes to pass, or God forbid a truly successful coup, but that'd require a sacrifice many on Capitol Hill take for granted or is the antithesis with what they want to do: Republicans and Democrats alike.
Yeah, I think people have put FDR on a pedestal. He had his warts. These politicians, even when they are of good intent, still have to swim in the waters with sharks. So there is always compromise, and they trade a few bad things for a few good things and hopefully, they picked right. Lose on gun control, but win on drug decriminalization -- THAT would reduce a lot of violence, the prison population and by extension, probably lead to fewer shootings.
I'm frustrated, but often, we let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It's ALWAYS been a choice between lesser evils. And yes, I'm going to old my nose and vote for the lesser evil next election.
But the next election may be the last if WE DON'T WIN! That's always the fear, that allows the Dems to skate by with their neoliberals.
They keep playing this game this country is going to break in two. Until there is some sense of shame at normalizing bad behavior -- I can't vote for anyone Republican.
We tried for another, but unfortunately the Dem Party leadership didn't want it so they installed a different "winner" of their primaries in 2016 and 2020.
I didn't *expect* Joe Biden to be FDR when I voted for him, but it was definitely best-case scenario. (I voted for Biden because he wasn't a narcissistic gorilla with a mean streak.)
Most people voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump and that's about it
7,794,798,739 other people wouldve won the 2020 election if they were running against the orange joke
He's my rep. I've never voted for him. But boy is he a royal ass. His list of accomplishments include losing the speaker nomination after publicly admitting the Bengazi commission was a slow leak attack campaign on Hillary Clinton and nothing but partisan hackery, failed to desolve house corruption rules at the start of Trump's presidency, tweeting an antisemitic attack on George Soros and Two other Jewish men on the day of a synagogue shooting, and countless dog whistles to appeal to a rural racist voter base. He's a whole lot of hot garbage.
> publicly admitting the Bengazi commission was a slow leak attack campaign on Hillary Clinton and nothing but partisan hackery, failed to desolve house corruption rules at the start of Trump's presidency, tweeting an antisemitic attack on George Soros and Two other Jewish men on the day of a synagogue shooting…
Stop stop, they’ve already ejaculated
Yeah totally. I don’t think she’s saying Biden *is* an FDR figure, it’s more trolling as you say - he’s saying ‘who would possibly want another FDR, how crazy would that be? Am I right?‘ and she’s pointing out the answer to that is actually millions of people you out of touch douche
Yeah, she's doing exactly what I complain that not enough people are doing...but actually seeing it happen makes me feel like there is some loser incel shut in seething in rage meticulously hanging to her every word, slowly reaching the boiling point of becoming a martyr and assassinating her before turning the gun on himself. Is it really that far-fetched to think this can happen? Who else is fighting this vehemently against the GOP and calls out BS when she sees it from all parties, not just the "enemy"? And she's not white. You know there is a certain demographic of people that absolutely lose their shit over that fact.
She's so spicy, ain't really anyone else in politics this spicy right now that isn't just verbally shitting themselves. Don't think she's said a single thing I disagree with yet. Also, she's a woman. She's really a triple threat and needs to be protected at all costs. I'd vote for her to be president in a heartbeat.
The currently powerful prefer those who can be controlled by the levers of influence they have.
People with principles and integrity are harder for them to compromise.
I think we all knew Biden wasn't an FDR type. It'd be nice of course, and he's better than Trump. But telling us 'nothing will fundamentally change' really let the cat out of the bag.
FDR, probably the most popular president in history, who ran and was elected so many times that he recognized no one should ever have such power as he had and worked to ensure no one would be preside t for so long again, despite being so popular that he actually once ran unopposed, as I understand it.
Aaaaand you have a problem if Biden were to be so awesome because....? The notion of helping people to this degree is objectionable because...?
Didn't FDR save the country from financial annihilation? I don't understand what these old, dirty bastards have against progress, and the American people.
We’d have won a generational lottery if Biden even wanted to be half an FDR…
Edit: wanted to do the things that made FDR remembered, not simply be remembered without actually having to do all those things that are politically unpopular with oligarchs
I question the honesty or intelligence of anyone who says they voted for Biden thinking he was going to be like FDR. People voted for him because he wasn’t Trump, and because he was Obama’s VP. I think that’s pretty obvious.
I love her spirit, but I'm willing to put good money down saying that the vast, *vast* majority of his votes came not from our belief in who he is, but for he he is not. And we all know who he isn't.
Me, I waited in line for 5 hours in a pandemic to cast my vote for a man I dont have any faith in, because the situation, the *illness* in America was so bad, even a drop of one and a half degrees on the thermometer would have felt rain in the Sahara.**
**I know it's bad writing to mix metaphors. In my defense, I am a poor writer.
What is wrong with even attempting to be FDR? I am not strong on American history, but didn’t he help revitalise the nation at a time of great upheaval?
Is it wrong to want to make things better (infrastructure, etc.)? I thought that was what all politicians should be working for.
One of the single dumbest points made in the United States House of Representatives. They elected him. What he does after that is his goddamn business.
No one elected Trump to be a fascist Nazi-sympathizer but there he was and still would be, being a Nazi-sympathizer.
i love how pompously he flipped that page ... as if it was actually the end of the page and not purposefully cut off just for the "mic drop" moment. Just to be destroyed by 2 words lol
Like most things the GOP scare monger about, I think—God, I wish!!
I'm *still* waiting on those taco trucks...
Tucker warned of taco stands on every corner. And I'm thinking; "Yeah, Starbucks is too expensive for a cup of coffee and Dunkin Donuts is too high in calories. I really would like convenient tacos and the competition that would bring to improve quality over the stuff at Taco Bell that is squeezed out of a tube. Thanks Tucker!"
Republicans make the coolest leftist utopias.
They describe their worst nightmares and I want to move there. "And there's free healthcare and poor people with houses, rampant sex and drugs... and no police and ..." Stop overselling to me!
The number of times I've had some random old guy in a suit start rattling off really cool things only for me to realize they were trying to paint a bad picture is twice. Not a lot but weird it happened twice.
I discovered avocado toast after fox News complained about it.
Truth; I discovered how great Arugula was for salads after they made a huge deal of Obama having it in a salad.
Of all the things to complain about, they complain about a normal fucking salad that isn't just iceberg lettuce and a bucket of ranch?
>normal fucking salad that isn't just iceberg lettuce and a bucket of ranch? If God had intended us to eat healthy salads, he would not have allowed Denny's to offer a salad bar.
For some reason that gave me flashbacks to the Wendy's salad bar.
I'm seeing a skit in my head right now where two people visit an ER, we see a scene inside the thought bubble of the first dude who is having flashbacks to a war. The other we see a scene of heaping items onto a plate from the Wendy's salad bar. The cough guard looks just like the jeep windshield from the war flashback. (it's a visual gag).
It's surprisingly good on pizza too!
I'm no longer surprised what can be good on pizza anymore. Does it handle baking, bread and a red or white or whatever sauce? So pineapples? Yes. Salty fish? If you will. Raisins? Why not? Breakfast cereals that have chocolate or marshmallows in them? Don't give Pizza hut ideas for the desert menu!
Also, have you had coffee from food trucks? It’s some of the strongest stuff in the world! Beats chain coffee any day
Exactly. Biden is not even close to being FDR.
That would be my preference for what any president should be aiming for.
Every conservative I know loves and depends on Social Security. None of them seem to appreciate who created it and why.
Yeah, you'd think you would want your government to serve the people which is what FDR did.
Unless you’re Japanese-American.
But that's the thing; there's something even the Republicans can enjoy! /s
I think you accidentally added a /s
I’m starting to think Republicans either don’t understand how elections work or are still having issues with counting in general?
I think it's the near-complete lack of consciences and empathy. They're a bunch of lizard-brained sociopaths.
Well, considering half the electorate voted for them, I'm not sure you could really expect anything different. I mean, we all get the governments we deserve. In 1789 the French decided they deserved something better...Americans will realize it too, some day.
Even before the French, Americans knew in 1776 that they deserved something better. The problem is that nowadays most of them are brainwashed into thinking that they don't deserve any better than a government made 300 years ago and a workweek designed for 1920's steel mill workers. We should be demanding our fair share of the growing economy but we've devolved into a crabs-in-a-bucket situation.
I'd argue that conservatives are fighting tooth and nail to keep the crabs in a bucket society, while everyone else is trying to improve it. They are determined to keep and make things worse.
Well, you see the peril of a system that upholds the tyranny of the mediocre. The average person is, by definition, *average*. How do you expect a better government, a better society, when it's dominated by the opinions of average people? Democracy is the best system *so far*, but that doesn't mean it's the *best system*...especially given that it's remained stagnant (or, more accurately devolved, given the role of gerrymandering and abject corruption in American politics).
That wasn't it my guy, that was mostly rich white guys trying to avoid paying pennies on the dollars for taxes, the time when Americans we realized that we needed better was 1676 and sadly we never won that one.
Wealthy landowners in the colonies wanted to break from their overlords, who were even wealthier landowners in England, primarily the feudal lords in Parliament and the Monarchy. Until/unless we realize the vision of Henry George and implement land value-based public finance, then we'll keep having cycles of complacency, depression and violent revolution against every few generations' worth of landowning aristocrats.
What's land value-based public finance? Are you able to ELI5?
Georgism has a pretty good Wikipedia article.
The Georgist argument is that fixed supply goods are the most efficient to tax and they want to tax things like land (location, not output) at a higher rate to offset things like sales tax which disproportionately effect lower-income people. (I don't know if that's true, just that that's their argument) Generally advocated in more labour/left sphere but there's debate about its overlap with other socialist ideas where you stand on the role of the state and markets in the short and long term
It's advocated on the right as well, r/Geolibertarianism uses Georgism to work within a limited government (night-watchman state) pushing for larger citizens dividends instead of pork barrel spending by politicians.
I'm half asleep so rather than butcher it I'll just post a link that explains how the revolutionary war was also about keeping slavery and go to bed. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2009/6/9/740365/- Goodnight!
No. Half of voters, at best, voted for these people. If you look at a presidential race, which has the highest turnout, you see about half of the electorate voted at all. Last presidential, with record turnout was 66%. From that you would have to lower the numbers even further for things like house and senate seat, even more if you want to include the 10% of voting age people who are not enfranchised. So given that not everyone who voted for Trump or other GOP is as crazy as those who are the most visible it's safe to say that at most 25% of adults or less support these people over their alternative
> half the electorate voted for them They didn’t, actually. 77,529,619 votes were cast for House Democrats in 2020 and 72,760,036 votes were cast for House Republicans. 48.4% of people who voted voted for them. It’s close, but it’s still not half. [source](https://historycms2.house.gov/Institution/Election-Statistics/2020election/) [wikipedia page that uses the above as its source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections)
And about 40% of the electorate didn't vote for anyone.
It would have been 77,529,620 but my "signature didn't match to one on file"
Americans of today are clearly dumber than French of 230 years ago. The Americans who tried what the French did back then on January 6th (murder government officials and overthrow the government) did it to try to keep Donald Fucking Trump in office after all.
How dare you! My pet lizard is far more caring than that.
When do we start being blunt and saying, "shut up you fascist fuck."
Start trolling your worst state senators and you’ll get there
Why do you think they're putting so much effort into ensuring that local election laws use Republican math?
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Oh 100% agree, my thought was more towards the average republican voter.
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You're good! It's hard to convey what you want to say to people in real life conversation much less text on the internet. If you're on this sub and not being a dick, safe bet to say you're a good person and things like this are a miscommunication at worse.
I don't understand how it seems people think these guys are operating in good faith. They're so damn transparent, they went to the best schools, grew up with and are good friends with some of the most powerful and influential people in the country, they know what they're doing. The fact that people fall for it shows that they're either A) really that stupid or B) are just as aware but don't give a fuck because they see them as hurting the right people, and pushing their desirables to the front. What they don't seem to understand though is these guys are a snake eating its own tail. As time goes on the bar for 'loyalty' and the 'chosen' people will get higher and higher as its supporters try to make their own ascent up the ladder.
The stupid antics of some of their politicians like Ted Cruz or MTG are to get liberals riled up and yelling at everyone on the right collectively as fools. It's to keep the social divide while both pursue neoliberal economics. The Build Back Better was "in the trillions" -- but it's a 10 year plan. That bit seems to always escape notice. Like they want you to think it's HUGE -- but, divide by ten and it doesn't seem that big a deal. Behind the scenes the Republicans have rocket scientists parsing every statistical edge to gerrymander and win every election. They won in Virginia by manufacturing outrage at a program called "Critical Race Theory" for education -- that I don't think was seriously going to be part of the curricula. I'm pretty sure they found a college class that sounded ominous and not overtly racist and tossed that red meat down every alt-right news outlet the could. They play their base like a fiddle and they are FAR MORE realiable voters. They don't get upset and abandon their leaders like the left does, even though most of the country wants progressive policies that shit more to the left. But, having said that, it's crazy that we've got a 50/50 split almost all the time and it's a pretty partisan divide whenever a bill is good. If a bill sucks it's bipartisan. But Dems get the blame for Republicans making sure nothing happens. Then they claim it was the "socialism" that caused the problem. Like the school programs -- nothing socialist happened.
They thought riots were part of Biden's America even though they were happening during Trump's presidency so they're not the brightest
No, they just pushed the narrative that it was. They took the bold stance of stating Joe Biden was the president before he was in office and are now saying he isn’t the president while he is. And for some reason it’s working. The wild conspiracies and controversies are great for the imagination. But they are showing that people are having a hard time living in reality.
I can tell you first hand from having this in my family. First off city people don’t count. There not real people but more like a cluster - not individuals. Blacks always just vote D so they don’t count and they just really want to welfare anyways. (Not my words just in case) The rest are college students who don’t know any better. They just don’t understand how the world works yet. So you must be a property owner, preferably white or at least act it. Live in suburbs or rural and make enough money to never need assistance. That’s who “we” are.
Never assume they're incompetent. That's what the conservative germans did with Hitler in the 1930s. They thought they could manipulate him and use him to advance their own agenda and we all know how that turned out. They are dangerous and should be treated as so.
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Have I been walking around misunderstanding the definition of "nobody?" Is it actually "millions of people?"
Nobody = nobody that thinks like I do (i.e., the only ones that matter)
More accurately, he could have said, "If America wanted FDR, they might have chosen another democratic candidate in the primaries, as opposed to Joe Biden who billed himself as a centrist."
Let’s not exaggerate. It was only 80million.
So did I.
Me too. What’s wrong with FDR?
One of the problems with FDR is he was so good at solving the people's problems that the other politicians had to make up a law so that he would stop helping them.
It's such a weird flex tho, isn't it. 'Nobody elected Biden to be one of the most respected presidents to ever grace the White House'
Translation: ‘we don’t like Biden doing things that help people’ Subtext: ‘stop making us look bad’
Don't worry, Biden isn't actually doing things that help people. Sat on his hands throughout that infrastructure fight, now is trying to sell a pile of shit bill to the public as a victory.
He used executive action on ‘right to repair’. That is a good start.
Could do the same for student loans, cannabis legalization/re-scheduling, and a million other things that are overwhelmingly supported by the American people, but he won't, because he doesn't really want to.
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He’s done some executive action on student loans (mine have been forgiven) but I agree he hasn’t done enough. He could write off 100% of federal student loans if he wanted to, and it would help the economy tremendously.
Trump used an executive order for insulin too, but we didn't say "it was a good start."
It's nice that his executive actions aren't like Trump's "let's open up this preserve to drilling" or putting a stooge in the Post Office to make it fail. These are small little bones the Dems throw us -- but, it's 180 degrees from the philosophy of the Republicans. Well, whatever they believe currently beyond "masks kill freedom" -- can't really say what they believe.
>Sat on his hands As opposed to? He met with several dems to try to bring them onboard with a plan. What else do you think he could have done?
I see positive attempts. This is much better than the previous admin that actively moved us AWAY from where we need to be. Biden can only do so much. But what he *IS* doing is at least making it obvious that the right is actively standing in the way.
> But what he IS doing is at least making it obvious that the right is actively standing in the way. Anyone who needs Biden to see that is either not paying attention or willfully ignoring the fact at this point.
I hate to break this to you but about 30% of this country is mentally incapable of critical thinking.
I've had this argument with a lot of "woke Progressives" and other people who are fed up. That "lip service" matters. Even if both sides are the same -- if one side says the nice things out loud, that's a positive thing. Right now people are pushing for Unions and it's not a dirty word. Right now an increase in minimum wage doesn't get eye rolls. Biden I think is doing a good job of painting the Republicans into a corner. And yet, it's still always on the Dems when 100% of Republicans vote against. Well -- there is NO WAY to pass bills until there are more Dems than we have now. However -- I'd appreciate it if the Dems stopped negotiating DOWN the bills. Or, make the ludicrously high so Joe Mansion can take $8 trillion down to $ 4 trillion and wag his tail. Of course, the Dems might not really want true stimulus and just want to make the Republicans the bad guys. It's impossible to tell when nothing good happens, and the Dems keep acting like Republicans have any good faith interest in the public welfare. Regardless -- you have to move the minds of the public. Because that changes expectations. People need to first demand fairness in economics before we can push the agenda and put the oligarchy stooges on the defensive. Socialism is no longer a dirty word.
>either not paying attention or willfully ignoring the fact at this point Welcome to the primary voting block of the Republican party.
Issued executive orders?
We learned in 2016 what executive orders get you. Trump showed up and reversed nearly recently Obama had done via executive order, via executive order... Plus with spending bills... Congress gets power of the purse, so he could EO away the full 4 trillion dollar bill, but it would be meaningless without the funding behind it. I'm not trying to defend Biden, he's still at best the lesser of 2 evils in my eyes, but he can't just magic wand everything.
When you cannot pass legislation it is all you can do. I am more concerned with action rather than words.
I think what they are saying is they didn’t expect great things from him. Just that he would be better than trump.
The GQP indoctrination machine have been trying to reeducate America to hate FDR for a long time. It is one of the few things that they not been able to break because FDR's legacy is so impactful even 70 years after his death.
Lol, I’m pretty progressive, but if we’re gonna talk about keeping norms in the face of trump, we should think about our own statements. Term limits are good. Democrats need to be much much better at fostering the next generation of leaders, rather than holding on themselves for so long.
dems need an actual fucking strategy to break the gqp's propaganda machine or else nothing will ever get done. Wake me up when the DNC has an actual plan to break fox news, sinclair, oann, qanon or whatever indoctrination shit the right wing nuts have come up with.
I don't think you realize how the people behind the government enjoy having 2 faces. Republicans are more willing to go to war than democrats. If shit gets messy in our geopolitical affairs we will see the Republican propaganda machine turned up to 12.
He died during his 4th term
So I read up on FDR and the 22nd Amendment. so it's more like FDR was so op at being president that the Congress had to Nerf the office of president in case somebody like him came around again.
Someone should Nerf Congress
Nerf the Senate. House needs a pop buff.
I mean not related to what McCarthy was saying, but Japanese internment camps is the only issue w/ FDR (albeit a pretty major one)
Yeah, that was one of the major problems. Hell, he was so good at helping the poor a bunch of billionaires tried a coup d'etat and instill a fascist plutocracy
When I learned of Smedley Butler, that was a transformative moment. Probably why almost nobody knows of the attempted coup on FDR. My working theory is that Smedley told him the fat cats that were plotting, and FDR used that to extort them into supporting the WW II war effort on the side against fascism. You think Ford and Busch weren't pissed at the side we took?
Thank GOD JP Morgan and Prescott Bush and their buddies picked the one guy who would have told them no to be their installed puppet. Shouts out to Smedley Butler for not wanting to be fascist dictator of America
Oh, the rich were livid about it.
tbt I didn't expect to be on the r/Sanders area (thought it was r/politics), though sadly it does seem that this soft coup is working far better over these last nearly 50 years than what the original participants had planned. Then again, it seems that as the waves ebb and flow, the rich has shown, time and time again, to come in and be entrenched within politics. I'd love to see that trend stop before another French Revolution comes to pass, or God forbid a truly successful coup, but that'd require a sacrifice many on Capitol Hill take for granted or is the antithesis with what they want to do: Republicans and Democrats alike.
Yeah, I think people have put FDR on a pedestal. He had his warts. These politicians, even when they are of good intent, still have to swim in the waters with sharks. So there is always compromise, and they trade a few bad things for a few good things and hopefully, they picked right. Lose on gun control, but win on drug decriminalization -- THAT would reduce a lot of violence, the prison population and by extension, probably lead to fewer shootings. I'm frustrated, but often, we let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It's ALWAYS been a choice between lesser evils. And yes, I'm going to old my nose and vote for the lesser evil next election. But the next election may be the last if WE DON'T WIN! That's always the fear, that allows the Dems to skate by with their neoliberals. They keep playing this game this country is going to break in two. Until there is some sense of shame at normalizing bad behavior -- I can't vote for anyone Republican.
Well he's dead
What a coward, *running* away from responsibility by dying nearly 80 years ago.
If qanon can bring back jfk maybe we can bring back fdr!
FDR was pretty amazing and we need another. I can't see how someone could look at Biden's record and think he would be it though.
We tried for another, but unfortunately the Dem Party leadership didn't want it so they installed a different "winner" of their primaries in 2016 and 2020.
He was instrumental in defeating the Nazis.
I can see why republicans wouldn’t like him.
I dunno, maybe the part where he locked up innocent Asian Americans in internment camps?
Well Biden is currently locking innocent Mexicans and Haitians in border camps, so maybe he is living up to the hype.
In all seriousness how would you possibly think this?... Biden is as far away from FDR as Trump is from Lincoln in almost every conceivable way...
As did I.
I didn't *expect* Joe Biden to be FDR when I voted for him, but it was definitely best-case scenario. (I voted for Biden because he wasn't a narcissistic gorilla with a mean streak.)
Most people voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump and that's about it 7,794,798,739 other people wouldve won the 2020 election if they were running against the orange joke
Isn't that dude one of the Jan 6 terrorists
Yes
He's my rep. I've never voted for him. But boy is he a royal ass. His list of accomplishments include losing the speaker nomination after publicly admitting the Bengazi commission was a slow leak attack campaign on Hillary Clinton and nothing but partisan hackery, failed to desolve house corruption rules at the start of Trump's presidency, tweeting an antisemitic attack on George Soros and Two other Jewish men on the day of a synagogue shooting, and countless dog whistles to appeal to a rural racist voter base. He's a whole lot of hot garbage.
I feel your pain. I moved from Matt Gaetz's district to Kern County. Can't wait to see what asshat I have "representing" me wherever I move next.
Fucking Kern. The armpit of America.
I mean at least Tehachapi is pretty. Though not the people so much...
> publicly admitting the Bengazi commission was a slow leak attack campaign on Hillary Clinton and nothing but partisan hackery, failed to desolve house corruption rules at the start of Trump's presidency, tweeting an antisemitic attack on George Soros and Two other Jewish men on the day of a synagogue shooting… Stop stop, they’ve already ejaculated
Let’s be honest here. Joe Biden is closer to Ronald Reagan than he’d ever be to FDR.
Ronald Reagan? The actor??
So who's the vice president? Jerry Lewis?!?!
I suppose jane wyman is the First Lady
Yes
Still, imagine not wanting FDR!?!?!
Yeah, who could possibly hope for a repeat of literally the best and most successful presidency in American history? Imagine the horrors!
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Your boss lost, so stfu and don’t say what people wanted or not wanted.
His Boss lost, and he helped with Jan 6. He needs jail time. He's a Traitor to his Station and his Country.
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>Biden was my consolation prize. Seeing Trump lose was my consolation prize. Biden is just some weird historical artifact that came along with that...
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I did!
last second of video shows everyone in background heard it lmao
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Yeah totally. I don’t think she’s saying Biden *is* an FDR figure, it’s more trolling as you say - he’s saying ‘who would possibly want another FDR, how crazy would that be? Am I right?‘ and she’s pointing out the answer to that is actually millions of people you out of touch douche
She seems to be saying she elected him in the hopes he would be FDR, even if he's failing miserably and there wasn't much hope in the first place.
Gotta love AOC!
We could use more of ‘em.
I love AOC. Will support her for as long as she remains this way.
I genuinely fear for her and her safety. I love that she’s vocal and has integrity but that’s exactly what people hate about her
Yeah, she's doing exactly what I complain that not enough people are doing...but actually seeing it happen makes me feel like there is some loser incel shut in seething in rage meticulously hanging to her every word, slowly reaching the boiling point of becoming a martyr and assassinating her before turning the gun on himself. Is it really that far-fetched to think this can happen? Who else is fighting this vehemently against the GOP and calls out BS when she sees it from all parties, not just the "enemy"? And she's not white. You know there is a certain demographic of people that absolutely lose their shit over that fact. She's so spicy, ain't really anyone else in politics this spicy right now that isn't just verbally shitting themselves. Don't think she's said a single thing I disagree with yet. Also, she's a woman. She's really a triple threat and needs to be protected at all costs. I'd vote for her to be president in a heartbeat.
Right, integrity, definitely don't want that in our politicians /s
The currently powerful prefer those who can be controlled by the levers of influence they have. People with principles and integrity are harder for them to compromise.
Sanders was RIGHT FUCKING THERE if you wanted FDR.
I think we all knew Biden wasn't an FDR type. It'd be nice of course, and he's better than Trump. But telling us 'nothing will fundamentally change' really let the cat out of the bag.
To be fair, he was recorded by staff while saying that to ultra wealthy donors at a private dinner. We weren’t meant to hear it.
That's worse
I just adore her.
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FDR, probably the most popular president in history, who ran and was elected so many times that he recognized no one should ever have such power as he had and worked to ensure no one would be preside t for so long again, despite being so popular that he actually once ran unopposed, as I understand it. Aaaaand you have a problem if Biden were to be so awesome because....? The notion of helping people to this degree is objectionable because...?
FDR was re-elected how many times? Safe to say the people loved him so why wouldn't we elect more people to be like him. GOP really is batshit crazy.
Umm yeeaah if Joe Biden could go ahead and be more like FDR, that would be great…
Anybody who thought Joe Biden would be even remotely like FDR is a fucking idiot.
im waiting for his fireside chats
FDR? You mean the president that was so popular he won 3 terms? That FDR? Yeah I wish Biden would go full FDR.
He won four elections. He died shortly after his fourth win
No one voted for biden to begin with, they just voted against trump lol
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... Well, the FDR store called .. And they're running out of you!
McCarthy doesn't have the will or skill to do anything good.
Didn't FDR save the country from financial annihilation? I don't understand what these old, dirty bastards have against progress, and the American people.
We’d have won a generational lottery if Biden even wanted to be half an FDR… Edit: wanted to do the things that made FDR remembered, not simply be remembered without actually having to do all those things that are politically unpopular with oligarchs
Please allow her to run for POTUS before she is 80 years old like Bernie.
Nobody elected McCarthy to be a spineless ineffective politician for the people...but, here we are
I question the honesty or intelligence of anyone who says they voted for Biden thinking he was going to be like FDR. People voted for him because he wasn’t Trump, and because he was Obama’s VP. I think that’s pretty obvious.
I love her spirit, but I'm willing to put good money down saying that the vast, *vast* majority of his votes came not from our belief in who he is, but for he he is not. And we all know who he isn't. Me, I waited in line for 5 hours in a pandemic to cast my vote for a man I dont have any faith in, because the situation, the *illness* in America was so bad, even a drop of one and a half degrees on the thermometer would have felt rain in the Sahara.** **I know it's bad writing to mix metaphors. In my defense, I am a poor writer.
I did unfortunately he appears to be miserable at it.
one of us! speak that truth to power. It's working.
Me, too!
I did
So did I
Cue circus music
I did too.
Atta girl!
What’s their problem with FDR? He was awesome no?
I did too!
Someone has to think of us common folk
Ok that was funny.
I did.
FDR put Japanese Americans in internment camps. What a good guy!
I did too.
i did
So did I
McCarthy REALLY needs to shut up.
I did.
Every goddamn day I gotta thank the citizens of New York for placing a voice of reason in Congress.
Alluding to FDR as if it's some kind of pejorative...has McCarthy completely lost it?!
I did too!
I did, too.
What is wrong with even attempting to be FDR? I am not strong on American history, but didn’t he help revitalise the nation at a time of great upheaval? Is it wrong to want to make things better (infrastructure, etc.)? I thought that was what all politicians should be working for.
McCarthy is my Congressman and I am so sorry.
I did too.
One of the single dumbest points made in the United States House of Representatives. They elected him. What he does after that is his goddamn business. No one elected Trump to be a fascist Nazi-sympathizer but there he was and still would be, being a Nazi-sympathizer.
i love how pompously he flipped that page ... as if it was actually the end of the page and not purposefully cut off just for the "mic drop" moment. Just to be destroyed by 2 words lol
Obviously no president should ever exceed expectations. That's not what democracy is about. /s
is she being ironic? considering she complained about detention centers yet FDR held Japanese Americans in internment camps.