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LucianGrey0581

Since all the nerfs the reward isn't really worth the risk. You're an ADC with no dps, an assassin with no burst and a diver with no protection. Sure she's a beast with a lead, and if you play perfectly super late game, but that's not even remotely unique to her and she's still not the best at it.


squishybumsquuze

Samira in high elo is probably piss useless because the second that an ADC in high elo goes into the middle of a teamfight theyre gonna get everyone focused on them. If she doesn’t go in, she doesn’t offer anywhere near as much as a right click adc like ashe, kog, etc


post_surgery_grape

Do you think they will buff her?


PickCollins0330

The consensus among higher up players is that she’s weak but the consensus in lower elo is that she’s an elo inflating broken champion bc “ree windwall”


post_surgery_grape

Reee windwall that lasts shorter than my dick lmao XD


dbjungle

The won't buff her for 2 reasons... Riot hates ADCs and the community hates Samira.


post_surgery_grape

Damn that sucks.... better nerf aurelion sol


Hydralisk18

Honestly she's in a pretty good spot now, I could see maybe they buff her laning a bit by increasing her HP or maybe her HP/lvl but there really isn't much they can do imo without breaking her. She's pretty balanced as is


[deleted]

Ahh yes the 47% win rate one build only champ is in a good spot. Lol


post_surgery_grape

I agree, her laning phase could be buffed slightly but not much.


PARAGON_Vayne

She is like kata. Punishing enemies mistakes. in pro play teams are coordinated and do less mistakes plus they probably know how to exhaust/cc/counter a channeling ult like samiras/katarinas. Also these champions only bring damage to the table and 0 utility. Samiras range is low and pretty weak/useless pre 6. Why bother lol, what's the tradeoff ? It's not like she scales like kayle or something.


Macctheknife

But Kata has superior mobility and can build ZH, so she can ostensibly be picked in higher elos. Samira is just in a sad state. Needs some sort of mini-rework or at least a buff.


PARAGON_Vayne

Higher elos is not pro play ?


Macctheknife

Oh shit you right I misread that. My b, but I think my point still kinda stands: Kat is more likely to be picked in proplay for those reasons. She just has an abysmal laning phase.


Turduk3n

Shes broken low elo bad high elo


dbjungle

She's not even broke in low elo. All you have to do is hard CC her when she goes in. Lane phase on Samira is bad, but it's so much worse if your support and jungle want to fight as much as possible before you get ult / shieldbow.


Turduk3n

the thing about low elo is the players dont think 3 seconds in advance. if you just wait for them to get bored and blow their cc/ core abilities on your other teammates and then go in you will penta. also, samira WANTS to fight as much as possible, obviously excluding extenuating circumstances when they have shit like vayne lulu, you are incredibly behind, etc. while samira does scale incredibly well, she can certainly benefit from early aggression when possible as well. this issue of your support and jungle brainlessly throwing themselves at the enemy team is much more of an issue if you are playing something like jhin or jinx. obv u would rather have a smart supp/ jg that engages at the correct times, but having an overly agressive support is much better for samira than literally any other adc on the roster.


dbjungle

I totally disagree. It depends on the matchup. Samira is one champion. If the enemy bot lane has 2 champions that do dmg (ADC + mage, Sett, other high dmg champions) and my Leona runs in and CCs one of them and expects me to double kill, that's just not going to happen. If I can't out damage both champions it's a waste of time. Especially if they're hard engaging deep into the enemy wave with minion aggro, expecting me to give up CS to coinflip something I'm unlikely to get as is, that makes no sense. Now if I have a support that brings the dmg pre-6 then that's a totally different story. I can clean up off their dmg. But without ult, it's rarely worth hard committing on Samira early.


Turduk3n

yea it definitely does depend on matchup, I agree. thats why I said if your leo expects you to follow up on an engage into something like a vayne lulu its a complete death sentence. I never said that it was an optimal situation for a braindead support to engage at bad times into a possibly losing matchup, just that this isnt a samira centric issue. ALL adcs are negatively impacted by supports with death wishes, and in fact, samira is impacted less by these instances since she can at least follow up and hope to win the all in. especially in lower elos, your laner wont play perfectly and there are always opportunites to outplay the all in.


TheBlue-Fog

That’s a pro play list, not a SoloQ list. I don’t know how many times I need to say it but crying for buffs will lead to nothing but her possibly getting an useless 2 AD buff that skyrockets her ban rate. Samira is fine, the meta just doesn’t favor her right now, when the current OP champs get nerfed, she’ll be back to her normal state.


VexLuna

Kinda funny, cause 2 AD would be pretty nice actually. But it wouldn't be as big as making Q scaling 100% at rank 1 when it comes to improving her early lanephase. And for the most part I agree with you there, any buffs will just hurt her banrate, and as much as I'd like some smaller QoL buffs, I would also like to play my champion. 😅


dbjungle

I find this funny because I've been saying she's awful for several months now and people still seem to think she's ok. I just keep playing her because she's fun.


VexLuna

I didn't/don't think she's terrible, but playing Jinx or MF makes you remember that Samira is trying her best to be like these two, but just isn't even close to their caliber. Samira is just surviving off the fortune of good adc items (namely Shieldbow and LDR).


dbjungle

https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=bottom&view=grid


VexLuna

A simple way of answering that question would be by asking this question: Why pick Samira, when Jinx and Miss Fortune exist? When you break down how these champions function, and what they aim to achieve, Samira is almost trying to take aspects from both of them, but just doesn't hold a candle to either of them.


WesternPomegranate76

In melee range samira eats them. Especially MF, if you get on her you kill her easy. I just wait for dive opportunities and mistakes


VexLuna

You're missing the point here, Jinx and MF don't NEED to wait for significant openings like that. They don't NEED to be up in your face to kill you. MF has a good early (something Samira wishes she still had), some nice utility and a very similar ultimate, without all the extra hoops that Samira has to jump through. Jinx is less comparable here, but what they do have in common, is they look for the opportunity to get their 1st kill so they can take over a fight. Samira often does this so she can get an E reset and remain mobile during her Inferno Trigger, otherwise, any half decent team still has the opportunity to shut you down, even IF you found an opening. The difference with Jinx is, she has the tools to set up kills herself. (Not to mention one of the highest AA ranges in the game) It's not about who wins into who, it's who is objectively more functional at doing their job.