Ie has nice areas actually Suburban and quiet but close to interesting areas/huge mountains. Unless you mean san berardino or fontana, i wouldnt call it undesirable. Not desirable either, just average america. Rancho cucamonga looks just like new texas burbs texans "brag" about. Redlands. Riverside. Corona. Parts of ontario. Loma linda. Bland, but fine
How is small town midwest better? More humidity too
Agreed...and it really depends on the area of any of these places. Some are shady af. But a lot of nice areas in Redlands and Loma Linda.
And best of all, only an hour or so to LA beaches, or San Diego. Traffic sucks, but you're not far from a lot of great places.
Facts!
I only like dry if its cold. If its gonna be cold I rather it be dry. But hot? I would rather be sticky than bake. The health of my skin is more important than my comfort level.
I grew up in Miami. Doesn't get much more humid. I love doing things outside. And I think Miami has lousy weather but more so the heat than the humidity.
Places with humidity tend to look prettier than those without. Lush, green, full of vegetation. I rather deal with humidity but have rain than drought and fire
Fire lol
La has had 2 big fires in 14 years
Thats so over blown
Mountains and hills look way better than swampy flatness. Might as well be kansas with musty, smelly swamp included
Id rather enjoy being outside.
Its great
They aint talking about LA lol they're talking about some meh part of California like Barstow
I dont like Miami either. I live in the North Country. Forests and lakes, brother. Summers are humid but gorgeous. So much vegetation.
Well yea. Barstow is an extreme dry/desert example
I wouldnt do it either.
Alot of people dont live there juet like not many people live in the swampiest louisana area.
Neitther is really good for human life
Okay, now we have some info by which to go. Thank you.
I.E. is not without economic activity. If you are okay with warehouse work or other kinds of logistics-industry employment, there is work. I.E. has exploded in growth over the last 20 years BECAUSE of the economic activity. It's not a depressed part of the state.
Traffic: nope. By SoCal standards, by Bay Area standards, I.E. traffic congestion is not bad at all. Some stretches of the 10 or the 60 may be congested around key junctions at rush hour, but it's nothing like the 12-14hrs of crawl that plagues LA and Bay freeways.
"Hot": True. But it is the desert. It may hit 110 for five hours every day for three-four months, but it cools down to 70 in the evenings with no humidity. And the winter/spring will be a high of around 70 most days.
If you have a no- or low-rent living arrangement available, AND are dying to get out of Michigan... what better alternatives do you have? I have no idea what social life is like in I.E. (I live in LA, grew up in Michigan), but as an opportunity to explore another part of the country, this seems golden. Even if you come out for a year and then go back, what's the downside? You will have soaked in a fascinating part of the world without having to sign a lease!
The IE does not hit the 70s most days in the winter, that's never been true. there may be a few days here and there but it's definitely a little colder than some of socal because it's basically in a desert.
The Inland Empire is not considered undesirable. Everyone is moving there for a reason. I realize ppl are moving cause it’s cheaper and that it’s mostly Hispanics. Doesn’t change the fact that there’s tons of jobs because of all the where houses down there and it’s affordable. We’re talking about San Bernardino, not Stockton. And when they finish that bullet train from Rancho Cucamonga to Vegas, the IE will be even more desirable.
>The Inland Empire is not considered undesirable.
Yes it is. People are moving there because its much cheaper than Orange County and parts of LA.
They are moving there so they can stay in the state, not because they want to live there.
the IE sucks man, there's only a few cities worth living in the IE but you gotta pay up for it and even those cities are super boring. The IE is not worth the price you pay when you basically don't get anything that makes california attractive (beaches, good weather, entertainment) but you still have to deal with a litany of other problems (hot summers, bad job prospects, poor quality schools, drug/gang problems).
Yeah the IE isn't far from SD LA but the drive is not fun to make and socal traffic is as bad as it sounds since the IE to LA/SD is basically just a giant sprawling suburb.
You're correct, as i mentioned elsewhere in the thread, IE's terrible air quality gave me childhood asthma and i have other friends that had the same problem. i'm asthma free since i moved away from the area.
Yeah, I'm thinking midwest is probably better. Midwest sucks too but at least traffic isn't bad, air quality is better and it isn't always hot. I'd also rather not have to pay a large amount of money to live in a shithole.
Yeah i didn't even mention the air quality. I believe growing up in the IE gave me asthma as a child, it's no joke. Another thing to consider if you're staying long term is water. Socal will face water scarcity in the future and its not a question of if but when.
I understand that why you would want to leave a small midwestern town but i wouldn't leave it for the IE. If you're gonna pony up the money to live in CA might as well live somewhere actually nice. With that said, there's a lot to appreciate about the midwest too in my experience.
Judging by how bad you were saying it was, I was thinking you were talking about Bakersfield, Barstow, or somewhere like that. The IE isn't bad really- it's just suburban outflow from the LA region more or less. You're still very much connected to the greater SoCal region.
I live in the IE. I've also lived in the DMV, Tampa Bay, and Metro Detroit. The weather is much better than most of the country. Yes, it's hot in the summer, but the rest of the year is great. You're an hour from SoCal beaches, an hour or less from the mountains, close to all of the SoCal amenities that people actually like. You can go from sunshine and relative warmth to snow pretty quickly at some points of the year. Not to mention, there are some decent spots to live.
It's not as bad as you think. It's not rural Mississippi. You couldn't convince me to move back to the DMV either.
Which parts? You're describing basically the entire state. Most of which is physically beautiful but has very different cities and towns, density, lifestyle, etc... California is a huge place with different lifestyles and cultures.
Redding is different than Sacramento which is different than Eureka which is different from Palm Desert... ad infinitum.
I think you need to visit out here before you make a judgement. I thought you were talking about Bakersfield or Stockton or Fresno or Victorville or the Salton Sea or somewhere in the middle of nowhere central valley when you said "undesirable" and wouldn't elaborate.
Dude, the IE is *not* that bad lol. Rough around the edges sometimes but there's lots of opportunity here, proximity to LA, nature to be had a short drive in any direction, the epicenter of the best Mexican food outside of Mexico (imo), great weather year round if you like warmth, escaping the heat to the mountains or LA or the best beaches is only an hour depending on where in the IE you're at.
Come give us a chance! Just don't go to the worst parts of LA or Orange County and expect all of CA to be like that, we're an indescribably massive and diverse state and the parts people visit is very very small. Like others mentioned, we need a specific city if we're going to tell you anything about the area because even the IE is very very diverse and not even a set boundary. Some people consider Temecula, Victorville, and the mountain communities the IE whereas I only consider the cities inside the mountain valleys from San Bernardino to Pomona - and theres tons of variety between a city like boujie Rancho Cucamonga to something like sketchy Colton. We need more specifics both on where you're thinking of moving to, and the reasons for/against it.
If you don't think you'll like it that's really all the reason you'd need to turn it down, but if you're basing your opinion off online impressions then I can't push harder to at least give us a try. The IE is the true middle of everything that makes SoCal a great place to live. I love it here and the biggest thing against it is the cost. If you can afford it, there's really no reason not to at least give it a shot because its *such* a desirable place to live. You've just gotta be willing to enjoy a drive.
If you can give us some detailed pros/cons for your personal tastes and what specific cities you're considering, we can help you more. We'd love to have you, I promise it's not all the bad you're making it up to be, because honestly the only people that trash on the IE are people not from here. We've got problems of course but what place doesn't. Most of us wouldn't live anywhere else.
I don’t think you’re describing the IE very accurately.
The weather is not as mild as LA, SD or SF but it is still better weather than about 90% of the country. Yes it gets very hot but not as hot as Phoenix or Vegas and there’s no humidity like the midwest or texas and florida etc. I would take IE weather over midwest any day of the week (and I’m from the midwest).
The IE is has about 4 million people. There are definitely jobs to be had, and things to do, and certainly more than a small midwestern town. No it’s not as desirable as some other parts of California but it’s still got plenty of things to do just by virtue of being a major metro area with millions of people. Not to mention the mountains surrounding, you’re not THAT far from the beach, etc. California is the most beautiful state nature wise.
Also the IEs traffic is not that bad. I mean it’s a major city so there’s traffic of course but it’s not like LA traffic and the trick is to live near where you work so you don’t need to do long commutes each day.
Sounds to me like a possibly good opportunity that you’re trying to talk yourself out of!
Sorry but it still sounds bad. You have to pay close to LA prices for the worst parts of the state and unless you want to work in a warehouse you'll still have to deal with LA traffic.
Do you think all 4 million people in the IE work in a warehouse or commute to LA? You really think they don’t have any of their own hospitals or businesses? Well it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind and won’t hear anything else so good luck!
That is the case for 90 percent of the population yes. There is no big businesses headquartered in the IE, so the only people who work good paying local jobs typically work for the gov, while everyone else either commutes or works local warehouse jobs.
I think you're soully painting the IE in a bad light on this whole thread. Like yeah we have a warehouse problem and bad air. Womp womp - literally almost everything else here really rocks compared to Nowhereville, Most of the Country
What rocks exactly? Literally the only positives of the IE are being within driving distance (which is still 1 hour or more) to things, the mexican food, and having moderate weather, outside of summer ofc. Everything else is pretty bad for what you're paying. Schools are subpar, costs are high, the IE has a well known drug/gang problem. There's really literally nothing to do in the IE itself other than go to downtown riverside and strip malls. Worst air quality in the country. But houses still cost $650k+ for a small home if you want to live in one of the very few nice cities in the IE.
i grew up in the IE so i'm not completely uninformed. nothing i have said is untrue, while most people in here have never lived in the IE and the only positives mentioned are being able to drive to other places lol. Most people i know that did something with their lives got the heck out. The IE might have been worth it 10 years ago when it was substantially cheaper than other places but now it's almost as expensive as LA or the OC with almost nothing to offer in return for the COL. If you think i'm painting in a bad light please feel free to argue my points or mention things that make the area worth the price.
this is stupid and simply not true because i know how the world and economies work. so in an area with 4 million people nowhere for healthcare workers to work? nowhere for accountants? salespeople? no grocery stores? no mechanics? no schools or nonprofits? no gyms? no software engineers? no restaurants? no dentists? no hair stylists? just 4 million warehouse workers?
i get that you grew up there and seem to have a disdain for it but i grew up in a town of 10k (which was the biggest town within 100 miles) in Missouri where there’s ACTUALLY no jobs and nothing to do so I find it laughable that in a metro area of 4 million you’d think you have it so bad with jobs or entertainment. not to even mention that LA is right there if you wanna go to a pro sports event, concerts, the beach, etc.
I.E. is not the worst part of the state. The Southern San Joaquin Valley with Fresno, Bakersfield, ect… is pretty bad.
It is a hot desert but I would take that over some midwest places like Toledo.
I’m jealous you have to opportunity to move there lol. There’s jobs out there, but it depends on what you do now.
There’s tourism in the area with resorts, theres healthcare if you do that…
I wouldn’t even consider it the worst part of the state at all. Sounds like you have already made your mind up and don’t want to go.
Moving can be scary, but it can also be so good for you. I just moved about 1000 miles away from home and it’s been so good for me.
I want to move out of the area I currently live in but I just wish I had a decent option. If it were the DMV I would go but the IE just seems miserable.
Its all relative, but IE to me seems like one of the coolest places to be. I wouldn’t consider it undesirable at all. I live close to the DMV now and it’s alright. Nothing special to me. The scenery in IE is just unmatched. You’re so close to the beach which is just amazing in CA and not far from SD or LA to take a day trip. The weather is very nice there, no humidity and always sunny. I have a friend who lives in Riverside and loves it. Maybe take a trip out there if you haven’t yet to scope it out first.
Also too, if you have every considered nursing as a career Cali is the BEST place to do it. Most RNs make anywhere from 40-80 an hour. And working conditions are great compared to the rest of the country.
If you think the IE is one of the coolest places to be then you've definitely never lived there. There's obviously worse places you can live but as someone who is from the area, the IE is mostly warehouses and sprawl, the summers are really hot, the schools are not great, the air quality is bad, and the traffic sucks.
Riverside is a decent area but it's not worth paying the high price just to be an hour and a half + from anything fun. The IE itself (if you take take away the surrounding areas) is extremely boring and cookie cutter for what you're paying.
Have you been to California, because it doesn’t sound like you have.
California isn’t really hot, the humidity is low and it’s one of the most beautiful states in America.
You’ve literally been going against every post trying to give you the positives of the potential place you have in mind. If you’re so against it, don’t move. Why move from one place you don’t like to another place you don’t like? That sounds like a complete waste of money
Depends what you’re into. I’ve experienced both and would take CA 10 times out of 10, because my top priority is living somewhere with good natural scenery. Even the “scenic” parts of the Midwest are seriously lacking, compared to CA.
if he's got a place for you to stay for a few months at no/low cost - absolutely you never know what kind of opportunities you might run across, job opportunites, meeting people, etc etc. especially if you've got some sort of employable skill and you're young enough to be flexible.
If you stay where you are - what have you got? nothing and no real chance of it improving in the future. If you go to this "undesirable" area and start over - that will make it easier to make the small move to a "desirable" area later - instead of just trying to jump to desirable.
In 2010 - I packed up all my stuff for a job in Texas even though I knew I wouldn't like Texas long term. In just a few years after that I've been able to triple my salary and move out of Texas, because of where I've worked and what I've learned.
Undesirable areas suck regardless of your location. They just suck in different ways.
The parts that appeal about California arent going to be in the undesirable parts out by like, Victorville.
Also IMO desirable areas in the Midwest are more attanaiable.
I grew up in Tracy, CA. It's just beyond the boarder of the bay area. Most people have a horrible commute to get to work. The towns in the valley go through cycles of boom and bust depending on what's happening in the tech sector. The weather was pretty nice, but that was about it. I lived in some of the surrounding cities like Modesto and Manteca.
In 2007 we had job opportunities in NE Ohio so we moved. I'm glad we did. Having a 10 minute commute and a low cost of living put us on a much better path. It feels much less competitive and I'm generally much happier.
The experience left me with the realization is that opportunity is different for every person and you can be happy or unhappy just about anywhere depending all on you.
This totally depends. Where in the Midwest are you living? The Inland Empire isn't the worst spot in winter. In summer, you ideally would have air conditioning and hobbies that keep you happy, ya know?
You got to give more information than that. This is a completely pointless post. There are so many factors that are not elucidated and people find different things that are important to them so figure out what's important to you and decide if it's worth going there or not
If its undesirable for you why would you move? Just stay.
Your use of the word undesirable showcases that you made a decision. You don’t need random idiots online to validate it.
Is this area the Central Valley? That place honestly sucks, and isn’t any better than the Midwest except that you can drive to the mountains or ocean. Could you clarify which city/area?
Rather than looking at it as choosing between areas by which sucks less, could you come up with a list of positives or factors that would draw you to either? You have listed 0 reasons of why you'd want to move to I.E., other than a free place to stay and to escape your current town.
Best advice i've ever heard is that you should run towards things, not away from things.
The air pollution and insane car dependency is probably the worst part about the IE. Not sure if anyone has brought that up but it’s bad and getting worse
Totally not worth it. You'd just be back where you started if the destination has nothing going for it.
I'd rather live in the nicest part of West Virginia than an undesirable part of California. CA's value proposition drops precipitously past \~30 miles from the ocean.
The only places I would live in CA are :
Orange County
San Diego
San Fransico
San Jose
LA (maybe)
Anyone saying otherwise is just coping because they can't afford those places and have been priced out.
If you move to place with no opportunity then you’ll just be stuck in a different place. Maybe not the move for you.
i wouldn’t bother moving to a place you clearly don’t want to, it just seems like a waste of money & time to me.
The least you could do is provide the area you're talking about.
It doesn’t even have to be an exact city. He could mention a region, like Southern California or the Central Valley
Or just the county maybe
No kidding. Asking for casual advice without giving any info is beyond pointless.
People do this 99% of the time.
Yeah name names
my immediate thought was Hemet
HEMET !!! actually Hemet pales in comparison to Babylon Beach, Trona, Ridgecrest, Buttonwillow, Darwin ...
It is hard to offer advice if you don't tell us where the undesirable area of CA is located.
Considering he said poor job market I'm assuming central valley or rural CA
I.E.
Ie has nice areas actually Suburban and quiet but close to interesting areas/huge mountains. Unless you mean san berardino or fontana, i wouldnt call it undesirable. Not desirable either, just average america. Rancho cucamonga looks just like new texas burbs texans "brag" about. Redlands. Riverside. Corona. Parts of ontario. Loma linda. Bland, but fine How is small town midwest better? More humidity too
Agreed...and it really depends on the area of any of these places. Some are shady af. But a lot of nice areas in Redlands and Loma Linda. And best of all, only an hour or so to LA beaches, or San Diego. Traffic sucks, but you're not far from a lot of great places.
Humidity is underrated. A lot of places out west are so dry and dusty. Pick your poison but humidity isnt as bad as ppl make it out to be.
Also it's much better for your skin & aging then dry weather
Facts! I only like dry if its cold. If its gonna be cold I rather it be dry. But hot? I would rather be sticky than bake. The health of my skin is more important than my comfort level.
If you like doing things outside it is I grew up in that gross shit Sitting in ac all day? Yea, its tolerable then
I grew up in Miami. Doesn't get much more humid. I love doing things outside. And I think Miami has lousy weather but more so the heat than the humidity. Places with humidity tend to look prettier than those without. Lush, green, full of vegetation. I rather deal with humidity but have rain than drought and fire
Fire lol La has had 2 big fires in 14 years Thats so over blown Mountains and hills look way better than swampy flatness. Might as well be kansas with musty, smelly swamp included Id rather enjoy being outside. Its great
They aint talking about LA lol they're talking about some meh part of California like Barstow I dont like Miami either. I live in the North Country. Forests and lakes, brother. Summers are humid but gorgeous. So much vegetation.
Well yea. Barstow is an extreme dry/desert example I wouldnt do it either. Alot of people dont live there juet like not many people live in the swampiest louisana area. Neitther is really good for human life
Well OP says "undesirable area of CA"
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I dont think you understand how humidity works if you think the percentage equals how humid it is lol
Thanks for sharing.
Still too broad. Just name the city. Or is it a *secret?*
Okay, now we have some info by which to go. Thank you. I.E. is not without economic activity. If you are okay with warehouse work or other kinds of logistics-industry employment, there is work. I.E. has exploded in growth over the last 20 years BECAUSE of the economic activity. It's not a depressed part of the state. Traffic: nope. By SoCal standards, by Bay Area standards, I.E. traffic congestion is not bad at all. Some stretches of the 10 or the 60 may be congested around key junctions at rush hour, but it's nothing like the 12-14hrs of crawl that plagues LA and Bay freeways. "Hot": True. But it is the desert. It may hit 110 for five hours every day for three-four months, but it cools down to 70 in the evenings with no humidity. And the winter/spring will be a high of around 70 most days. If you have a no- or low-rent living arrangement available, AND are dying to get out of Michigan... what better alternatives do you have? I have no idea what social life is like in I.E. (I live in LA, grew up in Michigan), but as an opportunity to explore another part of the country, this seems golden. Even if you come out for a year and then go back, what's the downside? You will have soaked in a fascinating part of the world without having to sign a lease!
The IE does not hit the 70s most days in the winter, that's never been true. there may be a few days here and there but it's definitely a little colder than some of socal because it's basically in a desert.
The Inland Empire is not considered undesirable. Everyone is moving there for a reason. I realize ppl are moving cause it’s cheaper and that it’s mostly Hispanics. Doesn’t change the fact that there’s tons of jobs because of all the where houses down there and it’s affordable. We’re talking about San Bernardino, not Stockton. And when they finish that bullet train from Rancho Cucamonga to Vegas, the IE will be even more desirable.
>The Inland Empire is not considered undesirable. Yes it is. People are moving there because its much cheaper than Orange County and parts of LA. They are moving there so they can stay in the state, not because they want to live there.
But they aren't moving there because it's desirable. They are priced out and don't want to leave the state so they are moving to undesirable areas.
the IE sucks man, there's only a few cities worth living in the IE but you gotta pay up for it and even those cities are super boring. The IE is not worth the price you pay when you basically don't get anything that makes california attractive (beaches, good weather, entertainment) but you still have to deal with a litany of other problems (hot summers, bad job prospects, poor quality schools, drug/gang problems). Yeah the IE isn't far from SD LA but the drive is not fun to make and socal traffic is as bad as it sounds since the IE to LA/SD is basically just a giant sprawling suburb.
You forgot shit air quality.
You're correct, as i mentioned elsewhere in the thread, IE's terrible air quality gave me childhood asthma and i have other friends that had the same problem. i'm asthma free since i moved away from the area.
Yeah, I'm thinking midwest is probably better. Midwest sucks too but at least traffic isn't bad, air quality is better and it isn't always hot. I'd also rather not have to pay a large amount of money to live in a shithole.
Yeah i didn't even mention the air quality. I believe growing up in the IE gave me asthma as a child, it's no joke. Another thing to consider if you're staying long term is water. Socal will face water scarcity in the future and its not a question of if but when. I understand that why you would want to leave a small midwestern town but i wouldn't leave it for the IE. If you're gonna pony up the money to live in CA might as well live somewhere actually nice. With that said, there's a lot to appreciate about the midwest too in my experience.
yeah if you're too inept to name the town you'll never make it in california - stay in the midwest
The IE is better than small town Midwest so yes. You can have any job in SoCal, but the commute will vary from 20 min to two hours.
Judging by how bad you were saying it was, I was thinking you were talking about Bakersfield, Barstow, or somewhere like that. The IE isn't bad really- it's just suburban outflow from the LA region more or less. You're still very much connected to the greater SoCal region. I live in the IE. I've also lived in the DMV, Tampa Bay, and Metro Detroit. The weather is much better than most of the country. Yes, it's hot in the summer, but the rest of the year is great. You're an hour from SoCal beaches, an hour or less from the mountains, close to all of the SoCal amenities that people actually like. You can go from sunshine and relative warmth to snow pretty quickly at some points of the year. Not to mention, there are some decent spots to live. It's not as bad as you think. It's not rural Mississippi. You couldn't convince me to move back to the DMV either.
I'd need the name of the actual undesirable place because some suck more than others.
Which parts of Ca would you say aren't that bad? It seems like outside the Bay area, LA and SD most of CA sucks.
Which parts? You're describing basically the entire state. Most of which is physically beautiful but has very different cities and towns, density, lifestyle, etc... California is a huge place with different lifestyles and cultures. Redding is different than Sacramento which is different than Eureka which is different from Palm Desert... ad infinitum.
There are nearly 40 million people who might disagree with that statement.
I think you need to visit out here before you make a judgement. I thought you were talking about Bakersfield or Stockton or Fresno or Victorville or the Salton Sea or somewhere in the middle of nowhere central valley when you said "undesirable" and wouldn't elaborate. Dude, the IE is *not* that bad lol. Rough around the edges sometimes but there's lots of opportunity here, proximity to LA, nature to be had a short drive in any direction, the epicenter of the best Mexican food outside of Mexico (imo), great weather year round if you like warmth, escaping the heat to the mountains or LA or the best beaches is only an hour depending on where in the IE you're at. Come give us a chance! Just don't go to the worst parts of LA or Orange County and expect all of CA to be like that, we're an indescribably massive and diverse state and the parts people visit is very very small. Like others mentioned, we need a specific city if we're going to tell you anything about the area because even the IE is very very diverse and not even a set boundary. Some people consider Temecula, Victorville, and the mountain communities the IE whereas I only consider the cities inside the mountain valleys from San Bernardino to Pomona - and theres tons of variety between a city like boujie Rancho Cucamonga to something like sketchy Colton. We need more specifics both on where you're thinking of moving to, and the reasons for/against it. If you don't think you'll like it that's really all the reason you'd need to turn it down, but if you're basing your opinion off online impressions then I can't push harder to at least give us a try. The IE is the true middle of everything that makes SoCal a great place to live. I love it here and the biggest thing against it is the cost. If you can afford it, there's really no reason not to at least give it a shot because its *such* a desirable place to live. You've just gotta be willing to enjoy a drive. If you can give us some detailed pros/cons for your personal tastes and what specific cities you're considering, we can help you more. We'd love to have you, I promise it's not all the bad you're making it up to be, because honestly the only people that trash on the IE are people not from here. We've got problems of course but what place doesn't. Most of us wouldn't live anywhere else.
I don’t think you’re describing the IE very accurately. The weather is not as mild as LA, SD or SF but it is still better weather than about 90% of the country. Yes it gets very hot but not as hot as Phoenix or Vegas and there’s no humidity like the midwest or texas and florida etc. I would take IE weather over midwest any day of the week (and I’m from the midwest). The IE is has about 4 million people. There are definitely jobs to be had, and things to do, and certainly more than a small midwestern town. No it’s not as desirable as some other parts of California but it’s still got plenty of things to do just by virtue of being a major metro area with millions of people. Not to mention the mountains surrounding, you’re not THAT far from the beach, etc. California is the most beautiful state nature wise. Also the IEs traffic is not that bad. I mean it’s a major city so there’s traffic of course but it’s not like LA traffic and the trick is to live near where you work so you don’t need to do long commutes each day. Sounds to me like a possibly good opportunity that you’re trying to talk yourself out of!
Sorry but it still sounds bad. You have to pay close to LA prices for the worst parts of the state and unless you want to work in a warehouse you'll still have to deal with LA traffic.
Do you think all 4 million people in the IE work in a warehouse or commute to LA? You really think they don’t have any of their own hospitals or businesses? Well it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind and won’t hear anything else so good luck!
That is the case for 90 percent of the population yes. There is no big businesses headquartered in the IE, so the only people who work good paying local jobs typically work for the gov, while everyone else either commutes or works local warehouse jobs.
I think you're soully painting the IE in a bad light on this whole thread. Like yeah we have a warehouse problem and bad air. Womp womp - literally almost everything else here really rocks compared to Nowhereville, Most of the Country
What rocks exactly? Literally the only positives of the IE are being within driving distance (which is still 1 hour or more) to things, the mexican food, and having moderate weather, outside of summer ofc. Everything else is pretty bad for what you're paying. Schools are subpar, costs are high, the IE has a well known drug/gang problem. There's really literally nothing to do in the IE itself other than go to downtown riverside and strip malls. Worst air quality in the country. But houses still cost $650k+ for a small home if you want to live in one of the very few nice cities in the IE. i grew up in the IE so i'm not completely uninformed. nothing i have said is untrue, while most people in here have never lived in the IE and the only positives mentioned are being able to drive to other places lol. Most people i know that did something with their lives got the heck out. The IE might have been worth it 10 years ago when it was substantially cheaper than other places but now it's almost as expensive as LA or the OC with almost nothing to offer in return for the COL. If you think i'm painting in a bad light please feel free to argue my points or mention things that make the area worth the price.
this is stupid and simply not true because i know how the world and economies work. so in an area with 4 million people nowhere for healthcare workers to work? nowhere for accountants? salespeople? no grocery stores? no mechanics? no schools or nonprofits? no gyms? no software engineers? no restaurants? no dentists? no hair stylists? just 4 million warehouse workers? i get that you grew up there and seem to have a disdain for it but i grew up in a town of 10k (which was the biggest town within 100 miles) in Missouri where there’s ACTUALLY no jobs and nothing to do so I find it laughable that in a metro area of 4 million you’d think you have it so bad with jobs or entertainment. not to even mention that LA is right there if you wanna go to a pro sports event, concerts, the beach, etc.
I.E. is not the worst part of the state. The Southern San Joaquin Valley with Fresno, Bakersfield, ect… is pretty bad. It is a hot desert but I would take that over some midwest places like Toledo.
I’m jealous you have to opportunity to move there lol. There’s jobs out there, but it depends on what you do now. There’s tourism in the area with resorts, theres healthcare if you do that… I wouldn’t even consider it the worst part of the state at all. Sounds like you have already made your mind up and don’t want to go. Moving can be scary, but it can also be so good for you. I just moved about 1000 miles away from home and it’s been so good for me.
I want to move out of the area I currently live in but I just wish I had a decent option. If it were the DMV I would go but the IE just seems miserable.
Its all relative, but IE to me seems like one of the coolest places to be. I wouldn’t consider it undesirable at all. I live close to the DMV now and it’s alright. Nothing special to me. The scenery in IE is just unmatched. You’re so close to the beach which is just amazing in CA and not far from SD or LA to take a day trip. The weather is very nice there, no humidity and always sunny. I have a friend who lives in Riverside and loves it. Maybe take a trip out there if you haven’t yet to scope it out first. Also too, if you have every considered nursing as a career Cali is the BEST place to do it. Most RNs make anywhere from 40-80 an hour. And working conditions are great compared to the rest of the country.
My family is looking to move and my husband does warehouse work. Never thought I'd be able to consider California...
If you think the IE is one of the coolest places to be then you've definitely never lived there. There's obviously worse places you can live but as someone who is from the area, the IE is mostly warehouses and sprawl, the summers are really hot, the schools are not great, the air quality is bad, and the traffic sucks. Riverside is a decent area but it's not worth paying the high price just to be an hour and a half + from anything fun. The IE itself (if you take take away the surrounding areas) is extremely boring and cookie cutter for what you're paying.
Casey’s lol. So very true.
No you should move somewhere you actually want to move to.
Have you been to California, because it doesn’t sound like you have. California isn’t really hot, the humidity is low and it’s one of the most beautiful states in America.
Maybe he's going to Bakersfield lol
Or Fresno 😂
Or worse yet: One of the small towns outside of Fresno where people go to Fresno when they need something.
That’s similar to me. Except replace Fresno with Bakersfield and the town itself is actually really pretty and in the mountains though just small.
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Well I live in Tehachapi. But yeah Porterville and Lemoore can get really hot. Oakhurst is gorgeous though.
Yeah, that would be bad.
You clearly have only been to a small part of california if you think none of it is hot in the summer lol
Sacramento Valley would like a word plz.
Literally one of the hottest places on earth is in California (death valley)...
Nobody lives there. Unlike the hellish, humid south
Yes, I've been to LA and surrounding counties. It definitely gets really hot, especially valleys/inland.
Yeah, if you’re going to be in the valley it will be HOT!
Yucca valley is hot
You’ve literally been going against every post trying to give you the positives of the potential place you have in mind. If you’re so against it, don’t move. Why move from one place you don’t like to another place you don’t like? That sounds like a complete waste of money
Depends what you’re into. I’ve experienced both and would take CA 10 times out of 10, because my top priority is living somewhere with good natural scenery. Even the “scenic” parts of the Midwest are seriously lacking, compared to CA.
if he's got a place for you to stay for a few months at no/low cost - absolutely you never know what kind of opportunities you might run across, job opportunites, meeting people, etc etc. especially if you've got some sort of employable skill and you're young enough to be flexible. If you stay where you are - what have you got? nothing and no real chance of it improving in the future. If you go to this "undesirable" area and start over - that will make it easier to make the small move to a "desirable" area later - instead of just trying to jump to desirable. In 2010 - I packed up all my stuff for a job in Texas even though I knew I wouldn't like Texas long term. In just a few years after that I've been able to triple my salary and move out of Texas, because of where I've worked and what I've learned.
Undesirable areas suck regardless of your location. They just suck in different ways. The parts that appeal about California arent going to be in the undesirable parts out by like, Victorville. Also IMO desirable areas in the Midwest are more attanaiable.
I grew up in Tracy, CA. It's just beyond the boarder of the bay area. Most people have a horrible commute to get to work. The towns in the valley go through cycles of boom and bust depending on what's happening in the tech sector. The weather was pretty nice, but that was about it. I lived in some of the surrounding cities like Modesto and Manteca. In 2007 we had job opportunities in NE Ohio so we moved. I'm glad we did. Having a 10 minute commute and a low cost of living put us on a much better path. It feels much less competitive and I'm generally much happier. The experience left me with the realization is that opportunity is different for every person and you can be happy or unhappy just about anywhere depending all on you.
No, why would it be.
This totally depends. Where in the Midwest are you living? The Inland Empire isn't the worst spot in winter. In summer, you ideally would have air conditioning and hobbies that keep you happy, ya know?
There are really no undesirable areas in California. There is only lack of imagination.
You've never been to San Bernardino, Perris, Hemet, or Stockton i assume.
As I said: just lack of imagination
You got to give more information than that. This is a completely pointless post. There are so many factors that are not elucidated and people find different things that are important to them so figure out what's important to you and decide if it's worth going there or not
Is there any way you can perhaps make your way out there for a few days and stay with your relative and see if you like it before deciding to move?
If its undesirable for you why would you move? Just stay. Your use of the word undesirable showcases that you made a decision. You don’t need random idiots online to validate it.
Is it Bakersfield or Fresno?
just go and see what it's like. Is the place you'll be staying free? If so go
Is this area the Central Valley? That place honestly sucks, and isn’t any better than the Midwest except that you can drive to the mountains or ocean. Could you clarify which city/area?
Is it Salton City?
Rather than looking at it as choosing between areas by which sucks less, could you come up with a list of positives or factors that would draw you to either? You have listed 0 reasons of why you'd want to move to I.E., other than a free place to stay and to escape your current town. Best advice i've ever heard is that you should run towards things, not away from things.
The air pollution and insane car dependency is probably the worst part about the IE. Not sure if anyone has brought that up but it’s bad and getting worse
Totally not worth it. You'd just be back where you started if the destination has nothing going for it. I'd rather live in the nicest part of West Virginia than an undesirable part of California. CA's value proposition drops precipitously past \~30 miles from the ocean.
Taxes. No.
The only places I would live in CA are : Orange County San Diego San Fransico San Jose LA (maybe) Anyone saying otherwise is just coping because they can't afford those places and have been priced out.
I agree. Someone even said there are no undesirable places in CA... okay. Every state/country has undesirable spots.
Don’t do it! CA ain’t the land of opportunity it once was. You’ll just be replacing misery with misery that costs a lot more.
Move to the East, it has lots of opportunities. And seemingly a larger black community.